delvinmaya: @bingils, lemme point something out to you Sir, in Africa, there's a totally different meaning to tragedy. The African concept of tragedy is that one offends, but all suffer. The truth herein is this, muslims are people I relate with. I have arguments with, play, laugh, and the muslims I know put a shame to the way the religion is been portrayed by terrorists, but the actions of the extreme few over-shadows those of the good ones. Take Nigeria as a case study, before the issue of Boko Haram even came up, there was a view of muslims, as savages. Almost every other year, we all would wake up to hear about religious crisis, christians being killed for their beliefs. Then the boko boys came along to spice the party. You have to admit yourself, that right from time, your religion has not had good representation.
Makes you wonder if there were no radical christians and why they have not been fighting God's battle for him

Jeezuzpick: If una no fit imagine say na inside job, just wait make we begin see drone for sky for Naija.

These Brits want to come back and control us. How better a way than in the guise of "Global war against terror"?

Someone needs to wake up to reality. FFK might be peremptory in his write up, but I wouldn't rush to castigate him.

Jeezuzpick:

Talk religion with your Moslem "friends" and see how fast they will turn on you!

I speak from experience. I once asked a Moslem guy if he'll kill me if Jihad is declared in our town (Ilorin). He didn't say yes, but he didn't say no either. I got the message loud and clear. That was an "average, university educated" guy, o.

Bobandgreat: Please, the sooner we begin to recognise that any muslim can be radicalised, the better. Let's stop living in self denial. Accept the obvious and profer solution. If we agree on the conspiracy theory, so what. Does it change the fact that Yoruba Muslims did the crime? Please, let's look for ways to. avoid future occurences and keep a close eye on our children.

I have been asking, when a christian is eventually elected as the governor of Lagos State, what will be the reaction of Yoruba Muslims? Will they still be as calm as they are? Or will Lagos turn to another Borno.?otedola tenure re d Muslims not calm.bigot

Mintayo:

please i am confused...is there anything like ANTI-CHRIST in Islam?
Is ANTI-CHRIST part of your doctrines?

eGuerrilla:

Welcome back from NL purgatory.

I was not going to post anything else on this thread, but your response here caught my attention.

You would simply have to take my word for it when I state that the kind of brain washing some of youths get subjected to at the hands of Islamo-fascist organisations actually makes them highly susceptible to violent reactions. I can authoritatively say this, based on my professional calling, knowledge of "the streets", and experience acquired over a number of years. I will say little more on what informs my views, in a public forum, beyond asserting that parents will do well to acknowledge the pervading level of disenfranchisement among inner-city youth.

Moving on...while some of the uninformed opinions provided on this thread may be excused because of a limited understanding, what is difficult to fathom is the extent of deniability being expressed. Instead of raising meaningful questions (which you have asked before) about the process of conversion to Islamo-fascism and what this portends, we have educated Nigerians pontificating on someone's flights of fantasy. Much like our public school educated, Cambridge alumnus ex-minister; here we are, offering conjectural theories in place of meaningful introspection and reflection.

How does the suspension of reality here help other endangered youth who are currently subjects of ventriloquists with a morbid agenda? What is so mystical about a process of conversion to Islam which happens, more often than not, in youth offender’s institutions and prison when Malcolm X (a celebrated hero) had a similar rite of passage? Why do we continue to feign ignorance, when the latest reports on this case indicates that at least one terrorist had an ox to grind, as a result of brutal physical and sexual molestation at the hands of British security agencies?

Please help me understand how a foray into the world of "illuminati-reptilians", canvassed by a self-serving white man known as David Icke, positively elevates the debate on these important questions.

shymexx:

Thanks, Sir

I concur, Sir. I can tell from your posts, and the assertion you made about marching with Rev. Al Sharpton on a different thread. I agree that the brain washing makes them highly susceptible to violent reactions. However, we can't also negate the fact that most of these youths are idle and innately angry. They're angry at system and at the world. I'm from the same background and I know the anger builds overtime due to a system that's alienated them and lack of love. I think that's why these radical Islamo-fascist organisations are specially targeting youths from the inner-cities. And it's not just black youths - poor whites also have the same innate anger, hence why fascist groups like EDL and BNP are also growing at an alarming among them.

The system disenfranchised these youths. Even if you take the fascist organisations out of the "equation" - that won't stop the anger and idleness. However, I honestly think the only way Afro-caribbean parents can help out is by raising their kids not to feel any sense of entitlement to the British system. And to always endeavour to remind them about their heritage - and the need to always align with that. Once they stop pre-occupying their minds with the innate thoughts that the system owes them - that will purge their sense of entitlement to a system that has intentionally alienated them. And also empower them. It worked for me and most of my friends - and I think it will work for others. I used to be proper violent before, till I found succour in the empowerment of Afrocentrism and black consciousness.

Thanks for weighing in here @Shymmex, I always knew you were going to bring a different perspective to bear.

I will try to provide a more elaborate response later but, for now, ask yourself why the minds of these disaffected youths provides fertile ground for Islamo-fascists.

Just to be clear, the contract I alluded to in my earlier post, ultimately, constitutes a barrier which sets kith against kin. Let me break it down in these terms:

Politics - parents tend to be introverted micro-nationalists who long for a return to Nigeria. The Nigerian-British child on the other hand tends towards a sliding scale of Pan-Africanism which subjugates our "petty differences". The paradox here is that this idealism also lends itself to a lot of misapprehension about life back in Africa.

Economy - Nigerian parents, who through dogged determination have attain some level of success tend to be unsympathetic to the struggles of their children, who see the steep incline of fulfillment in Britain for what it is. Remember most of these parents would have schooled abroad - where you get to see legions of Black pilots, doctors, engineers, politicians and so on, on a regular basis. This issue of social mobility sometimes creates false expectations on both sides and hasten a break down in communication, which later crystallizes into a 'disconnect'

Religion - While this is one area that provides succour to our people, it also tends to be the most problematic for children of Nigerian ancestry who schooled in Britain. Before the age of 16, there is little resistance; afterwards, there is no guarantee of acceptance.

Take a good a look around,if in doubt about these assertions.

Btw, I am in entire agreement with the emboldened portion of your post.

delvinmaya:

So the britons will now invade nigeria, on what grounds. Like the americans did after the failed mutallab attempt. Really, too much conspiracy movies and books make your thinking amorous kinda

delvinmaya:

Dude, thank God you mentioned ilorin, I graduated from university of ilorin. And in ilorin, you have two types of muslims, the fanatic and the moderate. Either way, I have not said I trust them, what I have said is the experience I had with them. All in all, I wish you got my drift. There are the conservatives and the fundamentalist. Each with his own opinion. However, you have to respect others opinion and stop throwing tantrums at the slightest provocations.

eGuerrilla:
I hear you loud bro.
Everything you wrote actually reinforces my earlier post on the 'disconnect'.

We certainly need to kill off the sense of entitlement you mentioned, but then how many within the Nigerian - nay African - community in Britain would care to entertain such notions. You can see that even on this discussion thread we've seen folks clutching at straw-man arguments, which fuels precisely the kind of thinking that alienated our youth in the first instance.

9jaganja: True or false, I will like Nigerians to read this and the documentaries he talked about.. they will have a different view of the world for real...

That is what I want. Awareness for my people. whether awareness comes after lies or truth is irrelevant as long as there is awareness..


Once nigerians are aware that the world isn't as we think, our mentality will change. True patriotism can be born...

Bobandgreat: Please, the sooner we begin to recognise that any muslim can be radicalised, the better. Let's stop living in self denial. Accept the obvious and profer solution. If we agree on the conspiracy theory, so what. Does it change the fact that Yoruba Muslims did the crime? Please, let's look for ways to avoid future occurences and keep a close eye on our children.

I have been asking, when a christian is eventually elected as the governor of Lagos State, what will be the reaction of Yoruba Muslims? Will they still be as calm as they are? Or will Lagos turn to another Borno.?

brokswater: Dismissing Femi Kayode completely by some pips here amounts to ignorance. He may not have connected all the dots. However the way the crime was performed and the killers hung around until the police turned up does not make sense. On CNN today a friend of Michael confirmed that MI5 asked him to come work for them recently. The friend that granted the interview has now been arrested. The more you look the less you see. Its like 911 planes crashing into the twin towers and shortly afterwards the buildings collapse like a pack of cards ...in addition building 7 which is in close vicinity of the twin towers and did not even get hit by a plane collapsed also.

Its easy to seat behind a computer and insult people. Its another think to belief everything the media tells you without doing your own research.

From the Muttallab (spelling may be wrong) attempted bombing to the Nigerian born Muslim who slaughtered a British soldier are seeds to sow that Nigeria is a terrorist state harbors terrorist and maybe developing weapons of mass destruction. Who knows Drones may become the order of the day soon. Watch this space!!!!!!!!