Joagbaje:

Tithing has always be in cash or kind . People gave money as tithes in the bible days . Same principle goes with offerings

Joagbaje:

Tithing has always be in cash or kind . People gave money as tithes in the bible days . Same principle goes with offerings

shdemidemi:
You spoke calmly and nice, it sounds peaceful but the Apostle did not take it like you are taking it right now. He calls the teaching of the old another gospel from the gospel of Christ.

I envy your sincerity though, Frosbel and his likes will never come back to admit they just saw something they did not see before.

alexleo:

Ok I ve tried reading it with NIV. Now you made sense but I ll still advice that people be allowed to do as they are led by the spirit of God. Tithing is not a sin. You people are also making sense but don't call those who tithe frauds just like we can't say those who worship on sabbath day(saturday) are committing sin. Some are doing the tithe thing simply because its in the bible yet there are some who are being engineered by greed. And those ones device all sorts of money making avenue during church service of which tithe is the very least. God bless you.

Joagbaje:

Tithing has always be in cash or kind . People gave money as tithes in the bible days . Same principle goes with offerings .

alexleo:

Frosbel is not a good business man. It appears he is a paid office staff who only signs documents.

Again we all have right here to reject any doctrine we find false and accept the true ones. Nobody is perfect as frosbel carries himself to be.

JesusisLord85:

Deuteronomy 14:22-27
You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. 23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. 24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, 25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses 26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. 27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.

JesusisLord85:

Do I need to repeat myself. See scripture below. Stop uttering assumptions. Give me one scripture where it was recorded. My passage below is pretty clear. MONEY was always given as an offering, that is different to tithe

Deuteronomy 14:22-27
You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. 23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. 24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, 25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses 26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. 27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.

If God accepted money, he would have said, if your tithe is too heavy to carry to the place of worship, turn it into silver and give the money to Levites. BUT he did not. He said exchange it for money, go to the place of worship, and THEN buy food.

Joagbaje: .


I didnt want to enter debate . I only wanted to clarify you. So pls lets keep it scholastic and not make it a messy war.

Let me give a little background . The principle about tithing is "of all possession" . Abraham' gave tithe of all .

Genesis 14:20
. . . And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 28:22
. . . : and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Luke 18:12
. . . I give tithes of all that I possess.

God demanded animal and crop as offerings and tithes because they were used in the temple for national offerings and sacrifices as well as welfare of priests. How ever it's not every crop or animal that God accept as tithes and offerings. He didnt accept unclean crops and animals because they were not used in the temple. God only took what was usable. You couldn't give tithes of Carmel,dogs ,snakes or pigs etc because they were unclean . Does it mean these unclean farmers were exempted from tithing ? No . They had to give cash equivalent , it is called redemption. People had the option of giving tithes and offering by cash or kind. If you give it tithe in cash ,you add 20% extra cash.

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

So cash was given as tithe in bible days. Salary earners fall under this category too

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. . . .

Joagbaje: .


I didnt want to enter debate . I only wanted to clarify you. So pls lets keep it scholastic and not make it a messy war.

Let me give a little background . The principle about tithing is "of all possession" . Abraham' gave tithe of all .

Genesis 14:20
. . . And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 28:22
. . . : and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Luke 18:12
. . . I give tithes of all that I possess.

God demanded animal and crop as offerings and tithes because they were used in the temple for national offerings and sacrifices as well as welfare of priests. How ever it's not every crop or animal that God accept as tithes and offerings. He didnt accept unclean crops and animals because they were not used in the temple. God only took what was usable. You couldn't give tithes of Carmel,dogs ,snakes or pigs etc because they were unclean . Does it mean these unclean farmers were exempted from tithing ? No . They had to give cash equivalent , it is called redemption. People had the option of giving tithes and offering by cash or kind. If you give it tithe in cash ,you add 20% extra cash.

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

So cash was given as tithe in bible days. Salary earners fall under this category too

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. . . .

frosbel:

It's quite glaringly obvious that you spew arrogance and anger in almost all your statements, not the kind of person to be associated with from a healthy Christian perspective.

You will be surprised that many of us here are in more senior roles or occupations than yourself , who likes to brag about 'office' at every given opportunity.

Keep your status to yourself and stick to the point.

Joagbaje: .


I didnt want to enter debate . I only wanted to clarify you. So pls lets keep it scholastic and not make it a messy war.

Let me give a little background . The principle about tithing is "of all possession" . Abraham' gave tithe of all .

Genesis 14:20
. . . And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 28:22
. . . : and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Luke 18:12
. . . I give tithes of all that I possess.

God demanded animal and crop as offerings and tithes because they were used in the temple for national offerings and sacrifices as well as welfare of priests. How ever it's not every crop or animal that God accept as tithes and offerings. He didnt accept unclean crops and animals because they were not used in the temple. God only took what was usable. You couldn't give tithes of Carmel,dogs ,snakes or pigs etc because they were unclean . Does it mean these unclean farmers were exempted from tithing ? No . They had to give cash equivalent , it is called redemption. People had the option of giving tithes and offering by cash or kind. If you give it tithe in cash ,you add 20% extra cash.

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

So cash was given as tithe in bible days. Salary earners fall under this category too

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. . . .

alexleo:

Stop messing up. You still soud your usual stu.pid and useless way.
Stop fooling yourself that you are a christian with your false teachiings of satan. My friend don't even talk because as far as am concerned you are a slave in the UK. If you want us to talk about status, run out of your slavery and come to Nigeria then we start.

Pastor Kun:

I just love the above passage I first came across it over ten years ago whilst doing my daily devotion and it eventually released me from the shackles of the false tithe doctrine. I was first shocked to my bone marrow when I read the passage, I was convinced that there must have been an error in the version of the bible I was reading so I got other versions and the story was still the same. This got me thinking, where our christian leaders deliberately mis leading us or where they just ignorant about the truth or were just plain incompetent. Anyway I decided to study the tithe topic extensively in the bible after that and also raised the issue with other christian leaders none of whom was able to justify church tithing with the new evidence I had from scriptures. I still studied so more after that and I then knew and became convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that monetary church tithing today is a modern invention which started aa recently as the late nintheenth century. I also realised that the church of christ was also being abused to justify this false doctrine and millions of innocent believers were suffering and being held captive due to this falsehood hence my resolve to start an enlightenment campaign aimed letting believers know the truth and setting the tithe captives free. To the glory of God since I started this ministry tens of thousands of people around the world have been reached and delivered from this bondage.

JesusisLord85:

You said 'unclean farmers'? I'm sorry my brother but no Israelite is permitted to farm pig.

And why would God want a tenth of an unclean sacrifice? That does not work brother.

Secondly, not everyone tithed. Deuteronomy 26:12 "When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied".

shdemidemi:

How does Christ at work in you change your volition and liberty of the faith? It seem to me like you know the truth but you have chosen to be adamant with another faith asides of Christ.

frosbel:

we are all slaves in the UK

You don't disappoint us with your 'fruits'.

alexleo:

And you ve always been a disappointemnt abd shame to christianity with your fruits of falsehood from satan.

frosbel:

is that all you can say ? The same boring words , 'shame', 'lies', 'fool' etc, how about coming up with an original argument based on scripture and not subjective emotional childish feelings.

alexleo:

Yeah you are right. Until they show me where it is written. For example the apostles talked about not judging people concerning the sabbath day or any holy day, or about food or herbs they also talked about no more sacrifices of animal for sins as practiced in the old testament etc. Jesus amended the law of an eye for an eye, the law of thou shall not commit fornication, the law of thou shall not kill, about divorce etc. These are some of the old testament practices they amended but did they mention tithe as they did concerning the ones I mentioned? I VE NOT SEEN IT. For some one to come here and type fail when the bible did not say fail is an excercise in futility.

babaearly: @joagabje

what version of the bible you quoting from?

Boomark:

FAIL! FAILED! and MASSIVE FAIL! Still stands. That Christians MUST tithe? For where? Who taught you that?

Priesthood changed and the law changed. If you don't accept that then you have been disobeying God. You must go to Israel and look for levites to pay your tithe. That is the only way you will not be punished according to the law abi malachi.

As for we Christians, we were taught that sacrificial giving pleases God, Heb 13:16. We were not told to pay tithe or do you know where they say Christians should pay tithe? You can never get that, trust me. Abi you wan try?

Joagbaje:
Check the scripture. People gave tithes and offering of unclean animals.....

truthislight:

Fourth FAIL!

Zikkyy:

Joagbaje, can you show us the part in scriptures where people gave tithes of unclean animals. be informed that Leviticus 27:27 was not talking about tithe, so show us where people gave tithe of unclean animals please.

Joagbaje:
Tithing has always be in cash or kind . People gave money as tithes in the bible days .

Zikkyy:

Joagbaje, can you show us the part in scriptures where people gave tithes of unclean animals. be informed that Leviticus 27:27 was not talking about tithe, so show us where people gave tithe of unclean animals please.

Boomark:

FAIL! FAILED! and MASSIVE FAIL! Still stands. That Christians MUST tithe? For where? Who taught you that?

Priesthood changed and the law changed. If you don't accept that then you have been disobeying God. You must go to Israel and look for levites to pay your tithe. That is the only way you will not be punished according to the law abi malachi.

As for we Christians, we were taught that sacrificial giving pleases God, Heb 13:16. We were not told to pay tithe or do you know where they say Christians should pay tithe? You can never get that, trust me. Abi you wan try?

Zikkyy:

Joagbaje you cannot be reaching conclusions based on what you think, you need to provide support. kindly provide some names or instances where people gave cash as tithe.