omonnakoda:
You need exposure. All those MUSTS you talk about may be the case in Nigeria the world is very different elsewhwere.
Most hospital encounters in many countries have NOTHING to do with doctors and this attitude is the first thing many Nigerian doctors need to change when they travel. Learning how to be subordinate to others is impossible for many and they get kicked out

Those who know little always make the most Noise. I say without fear of equivocation that most doctors in Nigeria cheat their way into medical school and all the way through having little knowledge of anything and inflated opinions of themselves. Without exception all you "home based GAMBO" doctors cannot DEBATE without ad hominem attack. The state does not OWE you a training. You should be grateful for what you get and if you don't like it GET OUT. Doctors are 100 naira a dozen and many others will take your place. For years Cuban doctors earned $20 a month and were among the best ranked in the world. If you want free training sacrifice your on -call bumper pay like happens in other countries

BB12:

Jealous that you are not a doc If they are better trained, it's for the benefit of the society at large, so say something else :p

...and point of correction, they aren't asking for you support, it's the FG's!

To all the resident Docs, use the break to chill out and read for your exams

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Tinoxky: Days are Gone when Health practitioners work To Serve Humanity and safe live... These days its all about money! Money!! Money!!!, when Last has it been announced that doctors when on strike because of Inadequate Equipment in the hospital? UNTIL Administrative Work is handed over to Those who Studied administration in Nigeriat hospitals, this rubbish will never Stop!

Nweike1: I think people some people calling d doctors greedy or feeling that they should involve other health care workers in the strike action are myopic. The doctors on strike are RESIDENT DOCTORS, meaning doctors under training to become specialists. What they are asking for is better funding for their programs, so they can be better trained and offer quality care to patients. They are not asking for salary increase.
They are also not permanent staff like the consultants or other health workers WHO ARE NOT UNDER TRAINING

ikennahill:

when my dad died in ,medical drs in government hospital where he died do not know what killed him. My snr bros an architect instructed I do autopsy on him, I did it in 2 different govt hospitals with so called consultant pathologists only for them to give me two different reports which was also different from what the so called medical dr wrote on his death certificate. Three different diagnosis for one man as cause of death.wow ! 9ja wonder! how will they learn when they are using their time to fight others from growing and forget that he who hold somebody on the floor is also on the floor

Lady Winona:
What I am saying in effect is that if we wait until the day we can 'raise funds' on our own for our training, like one poster suggested, then, well, we might as well be practising traditionalists cos health care cost is indeed very, very expensive with some equipment going for millions of dollars.
I do know that health care is heavily subsidized in many developed countries by their govt, a vital key factor most of their citizens can afford health care and while it will be ludacris to assume that the govt should take up 100% of the resp, which by the way is not feasible, let us all agree that we can only make a significant head way ourselves if our govt plays its role in making these things available.
Before you all come out with opposing opinions, why is it that we rely on our govt to build roads, infrastructure, and provide light to mention but a few? I mean, we need these basic things so why not get it for ourselves instead of relying on the govt all the time? I will stop there cos even I know that it doesn't make much sense. We can only do so much by paying our taxes etc.

tunesoft:
Its o obvious all u do is read the papers and fail to analyse things or interact with intelects in the area of expertise...why would a pharmacist want to start prescribing drugs..(Not done anywhere in the world)..buh na werrin dem one do for naija...why, to prove say dem dey...why would a radiographer say he wants to be a consultant...in wat...or nurse be a consultant..doin wat?...show me where its done anywhere...No1 is stopping any1 from progressing...I bet u won't allow the sso called consultant Nurse operate on u...this is very simple and clear..knowing their duties and boundaries....left to me, I wouldn't mind the pulling thru with all dbills sef.....cos it seems Nigerians only learn thru experience...all the best

Nweike1: I think people some people calling d doctors greedy or feeling that they should involve other health care workers in the strike action are myopic. The doctors on strike are RESIDENT DOCTORS, meaning doctors under training to become specialists. What they are asking for is better funding for their programs, so they can be better trained and offer quality care to patients. They are not asking for salary increase.
They are also not permanent staff like the consultants or other health workers WHO ARE NOT UNDER TRAINING

omonnakoda: doctor can comfortably do the job of a nurse These Home base doctors are very funny dudes.You need to change your attitudes and dispense with this arrogance and adopt intellectual humility. what next Army can do the job of police but police cannot do the job of army .Funny bunch of people

jp philips:

is that all you got from the post?
what is it that a nurse can do that a doctor cant? you medical guys re bereft of rational arguement.

tell us how many govt clinics in Nigeria has a simple Ultroid machine and how many doctors have the competence to use it? isnt it what they are striking for?

focus your arguement on those

omonnakoda:
There is one unfortunate thing about debate in Nigeria w eoften personalize it.It is a contest to establish superiority,unfortunately. I really am not sure what my alleged offence is. I mentioned earlier that I am a doctor and many here say I am lying. With all respect to my teachers and mentors there is nothing to boast about being a doctor.It is a position of service which should be approached with humility,a rare commodity in modern Nigeria. Becoming a doctor is NOT WORTH BOASTING ABOUT. Really.In fact it is embarrassing when you have no money compared to others less gifted academically!!
There is a common myth that doctors are scientists,they are not !they are technicians(a debate for another thread) .A paramedic is another technician common in western countries ,when I was in Nigeria there was no such thing.Basically they are themain crew of ambulances and have skills like ;intubation,basic and advanced life support and general emergency care.They saved the life of Fabrice Muamba initially and then doctors took over. Everyone is important. Nigerians and Nigerian doctors have serious ego problems ,the need to dominate and lord it over everyone we see it with Jonathan Amaechi and the Nigerian doctor is worse. I have seen resident doctors with grey hair running to open the door for Oga consultant , bow and take his bag off him.He has failed several attempts at part 2 because Oga is annoyed with him etc etc that is the Nigerian psyche. Bitter ,bullying and bombastic with no progressive outlook sadly they have created many neophytes ,HERE, in their own image..............
There is nothing to write home about of the Nigerian doctor in Nigeria,Nothing!!

nas 00:

Old one, if I may ask, what is your area of specialty in Medicine?

Also what is the present position you hold (what do you do?)

Think we should begin by addressing these. At least, to prove the 'cynics' wrong

vinnyvinny: Please educate us. What is the job prescription of an optometrist and what is a call duty allowance.

gmyguy: cause of death without autopsy is fishy...thats why you do an autopsy. after the first autopsy, its like a crime scene, you cant get the same cause of death. sorry about your loss, but you need to finish medical school to understand the medical field

omonnakoda: What exacly is a job "prescription" what does that mean

gmyguy: this has been a syndrome since medical school, at a time, even the dental students had this complex, but when they realised the stress we went through and saw that they were professionals too, they didnt feel so insecure again. All these people yapping about nurses and pharmacists heading a medical team, just go to med school, thats the solution. Its like a civil defense corp or police man trying to do a military man's job. Anyway, its becos medicine has been degraded to malaria and typhoid treatment that parameds believe they can do a doctor's job. But there's more to it than meets the eye

omonnakoda:
There is one unfortunate thing about debate in Nigeria w eoften personalize it.It is a contest to establish superiority,unfortunately. I really am not sure what my alleged offence is. I mentioned earlier that I am a doctor and many here say I am lying. With all respect to my teachers and mentors there is nothing to boast about being a doctor.It is a position of service which should be approached with humility,a rare commodity in modern Nigeria. Becoming a doctor is NOT WORTH BOASTING ABOUT. Really.In fact it is embarrassing when you have no money compared to others less gifted academically!!
There is a common myth that doctors are scientists,they are not !they are technicians(a debate for another thread) .A paramedic is another technician common in western countries ,when I was in Nigeria there was no such thing.Basically they are themain crew of ambulances and have skills like ;intubation,basic and advanced life support and general emergency care.They saved the life of Fabrice Muamba initially and then doctors took over. Everyone is important. Nigerians and Nigerian doctors have serious ego problems ,the need to dominate and lord it over everyone we see it with Jonathan Amaechi and the Nigerian doctor is worse. I have seen resident doctors with grey hair running to open the door for Oga consultant , bow and take his bag off him.He has failed several attempts at part 2 because Oga is annoyed with him etc etc that is the Nigerian psyche. Bitter ,bullying and bombastic with no progressive outlook sadly they have created many neophytes ,HERE, in their own image..............
There is nothing to write home about of the Nigerian doctor in Nigeria,Nothing!!

nas 00:

Old one, if I may ask, what is your area of specialty in Medicine?

Also what is the present position you hold (what do you do?)

Think we should begin by addressing these. At least, to prove the 'cynics' wrong

on a good day:



oh boy,where this kind of doctor dey o.....choi..if only nigerian doctors can reason even as about half of how u reason,there wont be need for this thread...,the other. day @ unth,a dr friend of mine told me that junior consultant was banished from his unit by a snr prof because he carried out a minor surgery successfully without her consent,..imagin.....please my brother educate them the more..your type only graces this planet once in 200 years

on a good day:


who be this one na....please go and set line,we are discussing important issue here

omonnakoda: This thread is not about me .Who the hell are you to ask me what I do.?What relevance is it.People holding position of President in Nigeria utter stupid statements all the time and so the position I hold does not validate my opinion.You reason like an undergraduate

I do not need to prove anything and I cannot prove anything. Let us deal with the issue here which is that doctors,adults who earn probably the highest salaries in the public sector in Nigeria want the government to pay for further training for them to improve themselves and their financial prospects. In a perfect world this may not be bad but government does not do this for any other group in the country except maybe the military.why should they do it for doctors. My point is doctors should be prepared to make a financial sacrifice/contribution to their training and they can reap the VERY PERSONAL financial rewards afterwards. That is the issue ,let us debate that respectfully rather than engaging in the usual "doctors are the highest ever known" rhetoric or other abusive tirades which no one has a monopoly of. No one is saying it is not a good thing if resources are unlimited but where they are I think government will do better and the nation benefit more from training Teachers,Engineers and Community health workers than doctors who relatively are rich and can pay for their own training! Many of those here claiming to be doctors in Nigeria cannot even write good English and guess what for that very reason I do not doubt they are doctors. I meet them here all the time and I repeat as I have said severally most Nigeria doctors from the mid 90s to date cheated their way through WAEC JAMB and medical school. We all know this and this is our shame as a nation. When you have those kinds of characters in the profession what do you expect?

omonnakoda: This thread is not about me .Who the hell are you to ask me what I do.?What relevance is it.People holding position of President in Nigeria utter stupid statements all the time and so the position I hold does not validate my opinion.You reason like an undergraduate

I do not need to prove anything and I cannot prove anything. Let us deal with the issue here which is that doctors,adults who earn probably the highest salaries in the public sector in Nigeria want the government to pay for further training for them to improve themselves and their financial prospects. In a perfect world this may not be bad but government does not do this for any other group in the country except maybe the military.why should they do it for doctors. My point is doctors should be prepared to make a financial sacrifice/contribution to their training and they can reap the VERY PERSONAL financial rewards afterwards. That is the issue ,let us debate that respectfully rather than engaging in the usual "doctors are the highest ever known" rhetoric or other abusive tirades which no one has a monopoly of. No one is saying it is not a good thing if resources are unlimited but where they are I think government will do better and the nation benefit more from training Teachers,Engineers and Community health workers than doctors who relatively are rich and can pay for their own training! Many of those here claiming to be doctors in Nigeria cannot even write good English and guess what for that very reason I do not doubt they are doctors. I meet them here all the time and I repeat as I have said severally most Nigeria doctors from the mid 90s to date cheated their way through WAEC JAMB and medical school. We all know this and this is our shame as a nation. When you have those kinds of characters in the profession what do you expect?

on a good day:


mediocres people who knows nothing but to set line and give metronidazole,and to copy the consultant or snr reg prescription and write Continue management..no inpute of their own,if they set up private practice,they become experts in performing abortion.