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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Hadampson(m): 3:04pm On May 11
from olanshi

Germany is one of the best place you can live in Europe. Some people say they are police country, because those people are criminals. Don't commit crime, don't do drugs, if you want to enter train or bus make sure you have your BVG ticket.


I love Germany! You will also love it, some say they are racist but for me they are very friendly especially when you speak their language. Try and learn a bit of German it will make things much easier for you.


Just a few tips, enjoy your stay! Welcome to Germany!! God bless Nigeria!, God bless Germany!


Danke!!

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Hadampson(m): 4:54pm On May 11
chimax1:
Any Info on anhalt uni in Saxony anhalt city? Anyone??

I think this should be helpful a little bit

From Eke40seven

The state with the least foreign borns, Saxony Anhalt, Dessau Institute of Architecture (Anhalt University, Dessau City.

Magdeburg is a city, the capital of Saxony Anhalt.

On the other hand, another thing you should note, if location of the schools are of Paramount importance to you is this, the position of the city in relation to other importance cities.

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Hadampson(m): 5:35am On May 12
From GottSeiDank

Hey guys, greetings from Hamburg. Got here this week. its very cold and beautiful. Transportation network here is topnotch, lectures has been great too. settling down slowly. Learn Deutsch and don't be sacred to speak it helps a lot. Ask questions when you have to,else you will keep walking and meeting yourself at the same spot it can be confusing at first. If you're still coming this winter, get thick jackets temperature can be as low as -3 degrees (and I was told we ain't started yet). Make provision for accommodation so you won't be stranded. Also get someone who will pick you up when you arrive- its a different ball game here. Bring your naija food if you have to ( you need to see the look on the faces of my block mates when they saw me cooking my Ogbono soup and Garri yesternight - it was epic). its been interesting all the way.

If you have any issue with Deutsche Bank. I can be of help cos Alter wall (Db headquarter) is not too far from my place - Just PM me.
PS: I have missed three weeks lectures already and so I can only take few for now cos I have to catch up with classes. Am doing this because I know what we're facing in the hand of Deutsche Bank back in Naija.

Lemme stop here, Ich habe groß hunger.

See you all in Deutschland. Bis bald
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by pompido: 8:46am On May 13
Oladecoolz:


boss i hail oh, please how is the prospect over there for MERN stack developers, because i code with react and expressjs, i also know some php and python, and how is the ecosystem for tech startups or possible raising funding for tech startup, because am planning on going for my masters this winter applied to some schools already all are online applications.i would be using SL my sponsor stays at kassel

No matter where you land, you should be very fine from day 1 with your skills. My advice would be that once you land and have an appointment for your permit, start applying to startups or companies as a werkstudent. You will get many offers I believe particularly if you are in a big city like Koln, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Frankfurt, etc.

There are different ways of getting funding for startups in Germany but you will need to understand the workings of the environment. I am sure you will attend startup events and network to get a better understanding of the terrain. There is even a way to register a company with 1euro (called a mini-GmbH) and depending on your city you can get some grants as a sole worker startup (you will have to submit a proposal and the idea has to make sense to them). This much I learned about Kiel from a professor cum startups owner.

Alternatively, apply for full time jobs directly from Nigeria if your GIT has some nice projects and you can really do the work. Tons of programmers are being recruited directly from Nigeria. No be money everybody dey find? cheesy

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Oladecoolz(m): 9:32am On May 13
pompido:


No matter where you land, you should be very fine from day 1 with your skills. My advice would be that once you land and have an appointment for your permit, start applying to startups or companies as a werkstudent. You will get many offers I believe particularly if you are in a big city like Koln, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Frankfurt, etc.

There are different ways of getting funding for startups in Germany but you will need to understand the workings of the environment. I am sure you will attend startup events and network to get a better understanding of the terrain. There is even a way to register a company with 1euro (called a mini-GmbH) and depending on your city you can get some grants as a sole worker startup (you will have to submit a proposal and the idea has to make sense to them). This much I learned about Kiel from a professor cum startups owner.

Alternatively, apply for full time jobs directly from Nigeria if your GIT has some nice projects and you can really do the work. Tons of programmers are being recruited directly from Nigeria. No be money everybody dey find? cheesy

thanks boss, this is encouraging, sent you a pm. pls i might need your help applying to some schools.
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Basalt(m): 3:55am On May 14
Hope smoking is permitted in Germany?
Is it alright to smoke freely without any issue?
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by pompido: 8:27am On May 14
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
I doubt if there is any country in this world that her citizens smoke as much as Germany. grin grin

Firewood dey learn work for their hand

Basalt:
Hope smoking is permitted in Germany?
Is it alright to smoke freely without any issue?

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 9:01am On May 14
Basalt:
Hope smoking is permitted in Germany?
Is it alright to smoke freely without any issue?

Chaiii, my man where have you been? cheesy
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 9:03am On May 14
This thread is very educative.

Go through all the pages https://www.nairaland.com/5185821/should-move-uk-return-nigeria

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Deustchemann(m): 11:39am On May 14
Goztino:
This thread is very educative.

Go through all the pages https://www.nairaland.com/5185821/should-move-uk-return-nigeria

Hmmmmmmm. The matter get as e be
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by pompido: 11:45am On May 14
Goztino:
This thread is very educative.

Go through all the pages https://www.nairaland.com/5185821/should-move-uk-return-nigeria

Relaxed Tuesday something grin

It was quite an interesting read especially with the comments from those that have tasted both sides of the pie. I would like to drop a few comments smiley.

First, I think it is important to reiterate that life will give you the output of what you input. With a bit of luck on one's side (prayers from all angles), one may get more than even anticipated. This is why I always mention the need to plan ahead regarding any venture one wants to undertake and then plan for alternative versions of that plan as back up plans, then top it off with plans for when all plans don't work out as planned. This is because for some, it will be very smooth, others will feel jealous while for others it would feel like the world is adamant on working against them.

STEM or No STEM, it requires some serious hard work finding a job after studies especially if you do not speak the language fluently.Even those that managed to speak the language fluently find it hard if they have no prior working experience which is why I always advice ensuring one does some internship or werkstudent jobs before graduation.

Another unbelievable thing is the number of applications one would do to get 1 invite for interview, if i were to throw down a number, I would put mine at over 50 applications to 1 invitation (I wanted to put over 100 o because I really believe it was lipsrsealed). This is a good average considering I have years of experience (plus working experience in Germany though not fluent in the German language).

A point most people ignore is that of starting early! I started applying for jobs the minute I got approval to start my master thesis. This was a whole 10 months before I would officially graduate! I learned this from friends who did the same and had offers before they officially graduated. I have 100% employment from friends that followed this strategy though I will confess all are in IT (not just programmers) since that is my circle.

Those that studied other courses that I know got jobs say they used the same strategy but in addition accepted really low ball offers to get a foot in the door, then moved on to other opportunities in due time. All those I know that studied Architecture, civil engineering or related courses are all employed.I know economists working in Banks (Fidor Bank for example), in Business Intelligence for Springer and chemical engineers jumping from one pharma to another (e.g Obiwann). LinkedIn is a very good place to see the real picture of successes.

Those still searching have either taken up PhD positions (self funded though they apply for grants on their own) (or a 2nd MSc) or taken the step to move into IT (which has the easiest entry hurdle all things considered). I know a couple of people that learnt programming on their own and were able to land jobs in IT because of that singular act. It wasn't desperation that caused them to make that move, it was based on proper analysis of effort vs reward.

This is why I preach the message of researching your choice course and its viability in the German market. Learn the language to perfection (I am still struggling with my B1 classes) and stay open to all opportunities. Appropriate your expectations and keep your eyes on the goal no matter the situation and don't get carried away with whatever money is being made from menial jobs or side hustle.

If the people around you are not making the kind of progress you desire, change your network to those you desire to rub shoulders with cool.

Whether Germany is looking like it would work out well or not, have plans for potential transitions so as not to be under pressure.

Another point so many fail to note is the importance of investing/saving in Nigeria from the little they make here. Investment returns in Germany is very little compared to what is obtainable in Nigeria. Treasury Bills and Mutual bonds give up to 14% ROI per annum (risk free), agric platforms like Farmcrowdy and Thriveagric give up to 30% ROI per annum (some risk involved), there is Uber and other low risk ventures that can guaranty good and steady returns from the comfort of your PC or phone from wherever you are. This little savings and investments over time will quickly amount to significant amounts and act as landing pads if it gets to that. If not, money is always useful.

P.S: The poster said he has over a year to stay in Germany. This means he just greaduated and has his 18months job searching permit.This means he has not searched for work for more than 6months before being under the kind of pressure he finds himself. These could have easily been avoided with any of the options i mentioned above and he is allowed to search the whole of EU for a job with his German degree (I have a friend who got employed in Hungary from Germany). He also has over a year to better his German and learn some skills that will increase his chances.

Wishing everyone God's blessings and favor in our endeavors.

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 2:29pm On May 14
pompido:


Relaxed Tuesday something grin

It was quite an interesting read especially with the comments from those that have tasted both sides of the pie. I would like to drop a few comments smiley.

First, I think it is important to reiterate that life will give you the output of what you input. With a bit of luck on one's side (prayers from all angles), one may get more than even anticipated. This is why I always mention the need to plan ahead regarding any venture one wants to undertake and then plan for alternative versions of that plan as back up plans, then top it off with plans for when all plans don't work out as planned. This is because for some, it will be very smooth, others will feel jealous while for others it would feel like the world is adamant on working against them.

STEM or No STEM, it requires some serious hard work finding a job after studies especially if you do not speak the language fluently.Even those that managed to speak the language fluently find it hard if they have no prior working experience which is why I always advice ensuring one does some internship or werkstudent jobs before graduation.

Another unbelievable thing is the number of applications one would do to get 1 invite for interview, if i were to throw down a number, I would put mine at over 50 applications to 1 invitation (I wanted to put over 100 o because I really believe it was lipsrsealed). This is a good average considering I have years of experience (plus working experience in Germany though not fluent in the German language).

A point most people ignore is that of starting early! I started applying for jobs the minute I got approval to start my master thesis. This was a whole 10 months before I would officially graduate! I learned this from friends who did the same and had offers before they officially graduated. I have 100% employment from friends that followed this strategy though I will confess all are in IT (not just programmers) since that is my circle.

Those that studied other courses that I know got jobs say they used the same strategy but in addition accepted really low ball offers to get a foot in the door, then moved on to other opportunities in due time. All those I know that studied Architecture, civil engineering or related courses are all employed.I know economists working in Banks (Fidor Bank for example), in Business Intelligence for Springer and chemical engineers jumping from one pharma to another (e.g Obiwann). LinkedIn is a very good place to see the real picture of successes.

Those still searching have either taken up PhD positions (self funded though they apply for grants on their own) (or a 2nd MSc) or the step to move into IT (which has the easiest entry hurdle all things considered). I know a couple of people that learnt programming on their own and were able to land jobs in IT because of that singular act. It wasn't desperation that caused them to make that move, it was based on proper analysis of effort vs reward.

This is why I preach the message of researching your choice course and its viability in the German market. Learn the language to perfection (I am still struggling with my B1 classes) and stay open to all opportunities. Appropriate your expectations and keep your eyes on the goal no matter the situation and don't get carried away with whatever money is being made from menial jobs or side hustle.

If the people around you are not making the kind of progress you desire, change your network to those you desire to rub shoulders with cool.

Whether Germany is looking like it would work out well or not, have plans for potential transitions so as not to be under pressure.

Another point so many fail to note is the importance of investing/saving in Nigeria from the little they make here. Investment returns in Germany is very little compared to what is obtainable in Nigeria. Treasury Bills and Mutual bonds give up to 14% ROI per annum (risk free), agric platforms like Farmcrowdy and Thriveagric give up to 30% ROI per annum (some risk involved), there is Uber and other low risk ventures that can guaranty good and steady returns from the comfort of your PC or phone from wherever you are. This little saving and investments over time will quickly amount to significant amounts and act as landing pads if it gets to that. If not, money is always useful.

P.S: The poster said he has over a year to stay in Germany. This means he just greaduated and has his 18months job searching permit.This means he has not searched for work for more than 6months before being under the kind of pressure he finds himself. These could have easily been avoided with any of the options i mentioned above and he is allowed to search the whole of EU for a job with his German degree (I have a friend who got employed in Hungary from Germany). He also has over a year to better his German and learn some skills that will increase his chances.

Wishing everyone God's blessings and favor in our endeavors.

What a wonderful response.
Please at the bolded, how can someone change to IT field if he didn't get job related to his field after graduation?
I am admitted to Applied Geoscience in RWTH Aachen University.
I am highly dedicated to work really hard to get professional Job but won't mind changing to IT field if I don't get job after graduation.
Is it by starting a fresh Msc?
I heard Bsc demands fluency in Deutsch.
Please I really wanna know how to change to IT if it comes to worst since it seems that's where there are lots of jobs.
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by legionnaire(m): 2:33pm On May 14
Goztino:
This thread is very educative.

Go through all the pages https://www.nairaland.com/5185821/should-move-uk-return-nigeria

Make that nigga no even thinking of entering Naija o. Funny thread though cheesy
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 2:38pm On May 14
legionnaire:


Make that nigga no even thinking of entering Naija o. Funny thread though cheesy

He said he is 25yrs. Quite very young to hold an Msc degree from German school. He must be book smart
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by pompido: 2:57pm On May 14
Goztino:


What a wonderful response.
Please at the bolded, how can someone change to IT field if he didn't get job related to his field after graduation?
I am admitted to Applied Geoscience in RWTH Aachen University.
I am highly dedicated to work really hard to get professional Job but won't mind changing to IT field if I don't get job after graduation.
Is it by starting a fresh Msc?
I heard Bsc demands fluency in Deutsch.
Please I really wanna know how to change to IT if it comes to worst since it seems that's where there are lots of jobs.

In the cases I have seen, one does not need to start from B.SC. Most of them simply take up learning programming on the side with whatever they are doing, try to get werkstudent jobs to help with experience in that field and post degree apply for jobs which they get. I do know someone that simply started assisting an Indian small IT business in order to gain IT experience, he has since become an IT professional. Most IT firms especially startups will employ anyone with programming skills irrespective of the educational background.

Also, there are english taught B.Sc courses in IT. Example is Information Engineering in Hamburg. I am sure a little research can reveal more. I think Dolpaz's school has a B.Sc course in english for computer science also. This is if you really want to go the B.Sc route.
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by legionnaire(m): 3:21pm On May 14
Goztino:


He said he is 25yrs. Quite very young to hold an Msc degree from German school. He must be book smart

I think he's too young to be considering marriage. And he should stay put in Germany. Returning to Nigeria no be option at all.
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Eldeee(m): 3:59pm On May 14
oga pompido, God go bless you richly in all measures. Honestly you gave us something more than money can buy. I don't know how to appreciate you for your numerous contributions here by telling us what exactly entails as we look forward to starting a life in Germany and beyond. All I can say at this point in time is THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Sincerely I really appreciate your support and kind gestures. I am short of words. Once again thanks you so much. Remain blessed. Shalom

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 4:00pm On May 14
pompido:


In the cases I have seen, one does not need to start from B.SC. Most of them simply take up learning programming on the side with whatever they are doing, try to get werkstudent jobs to help with experience in that field and post degree apply for jobs which they get. I do know someone that simply started assisting an Indian small IT business in order to gain IT experience, he has since become an IT professional. Most IT firms especially startups will employ anyone with programming skills irrespective of the educational background.
Also, there are english taught B.Sc courses in IT. Example is Information Engineering in Hamburg. I am sure a little research can reveal more. I think Dolpaz's school has a B.Sc course in english for computer science also. This is if you really want to go the B.Sc route.

According to German system for permanent residency, the student should get job related to course of study for permanent residency.
If that is the case, it means you must get job related to your Msc degree not programming before you can be considered for permanent residency?

Please this is just a question, I will really want people to clarify this point.
My priority is to follow every possible path to get permanent residency irrespective of the initial payment
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Cnwag: 4:30pm On May 14
What of someone who is trained in CCNA and MCSA. ?

pompido:


In the cases I have seen, one does not need to start from B.SC. Most of them simply take up learning programming on the side with whatever they are doing, try to get werkstudent jobs to help with experience in that field and post degree apply for jobs which they get. I do know someone that simply started assisting an Indian small IT business in order to gain IT experience, he has since become an IT professional. Most IT firms especially startups will employ anyone with programming skills irrespective of the educational background.

Also, there are english taught B.Sc courses in IT. Example is Information Engineering in Hamburg. I am sure a little research can reveal more. I think Dolpaz's school has a B.Sc course in english for computer science also. This is if you really want to go the B.Sc route.
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by klexycole(m): 4:51pm On May 14
Goztino:
This thread is very educative.

Go through all the pages https://www.nairaland.com/5185821/should-move-uk-return-nigeria

Boss, the information I got from that thread scare me. sad
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by willy2000(m): 5:56pm On May 14
Cnwag:
What of someone who is trained in CCNA and MCSA. ?



CCNA and the likes are no longer the in thing. With the evolution of cloud computing.
Most companies do not have an on-premise infrastructure unless you want to venture into the telecommunication, data center Industry, there, you need more than CCNA to survive.

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by willy2000(m): 6:00pm On May 14
Goztino:


According to German system for permanent residency, the student should get job related to course of study for permanent residency.
If that is the case, it means you must get job related to your Msc degree not programming before you can be considered for permanent residency?

Please this is just a question, I will really want people to clarify this point.
My priority is to follow every possible path to get permanent residency irrespective of the initial payment

Bro, there is always a way out. Even if you study Biology and you get a job as a programmer, what really matters is your paygrade, which in my analogy is not going to be bad. But, if you studied Geoscience and end up working in Amazon, then you have explaining to do.

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by willy2000(m): 6:04pm On May 14
Goztino:


What a wonderful response.
Please at the bolded, how can someone change to IT field if he didn't get job related to his field after graduation?
I am admitted to Applied Geoscience in RWTH Aachen University.
I am highly dedicated to work really hard to get professional Job but won't mind changing to IT field if I don't get job after graduation.
Is it by starting a fresh Msc?
I heard Bsc demands fluency in Deutsch.
Please I really wanna know how to change to IT if it comes to worst since it seems that's where there are lots of jobs.

Mehn, were you the one asking if you can earn €10k a year working as a student?
If yes, hmm unless you don't want to abandon your education, RWTH is among the top 5 schools in Germany, be prepared.
When I mean be prepared, start reading and researching on the modules you are going to take.
e go be like dream, when u enter class and after 90mins, you will start soul searching and asking yourself if you really attended a University in Nigeria. True story ohh

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by CallmeFather: 6:08pm On May 14
willy2000:


Mehn, were you the one asking if you can earn €10k a year working as a student?
If yes, hmm unless you don't want to abandon your education, RWTH is among the top 5 schools in Germany, be prepared.
When I mean be prepared, start reading and researching on the modules you are going to take.
e go be like dream, when u enter class and after 90mins, you will start soul searching and asking yourself if you really attended a University in Nigeria. True story ohh

Lmaooo
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Hadampson(m): 6:23pm On May 14
willy2000:


Mehn, were you the one asking if you can earn €10k a year working as a student?
If yes, hmm unless you don't want to abandon your education, RWTH is among the top 5 schools in Germany, be prepared.
When I mean be prepared, start reading and researching on the modules you are going to take.
e go be like dream, when u enter class and after 90mins, you will start soul searching and asking yourself if you really attended a University in Nigeria. True story ohh



Das. ist. lustig grin grin

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 6:39pm On May 14
willy2000:


Mehn, were you the one asking if you can earn €10k a year working as a student?
If yes, hmm unless you don't want to abandon your education, RWTH is among the top 5 schools in Germany, be prepared.
When I mean be prepared, start reading and researching on the modules you are going to take.
e go be like dream, when u enter class and after 90mins, you will start soul searching and asking yourself if you really attended a University in Nigeria. True story ohh

grin grin
Someone posted a lecture in my course at RWTH Aachen University in our WhatsApp group, I started asking myself if the lecturer was actually a hip hop rapper.
He was so fast explaining the slides
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 6:42pm On May 14
willy2000:


Bro, there is always a way out. Even if you study Biology and you get a job as a programmer, what really matters is your paygrade, which in my analogy is not going to be bad. But, if you studied Geoscience and end up working in Amazon, then you have explaining to do.

So you mean that as a Biology graduate, I can actually get a job as a programmer (if I have the skills) and then use the job offer to gain permanent residency in Germany?

Won't they ask me the relationship between biology and programming?

Programming is not by any means related to biology which happens to be the course of study in University
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by willy2000(m): 6:45pm On May 14
Goztino:


grin grin
Someone posted a lecture in my course at RWTH Aachen University in our WhatsApp group, I started asking myself if the lecturer was actually a hip hop rapper.
He was so fast explaining the slides

lol Hip hop rapper abi. Wait till you come. It won't be funny ohh!!
Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by willy2000(m): 6:51pm On May 14
Goztino:


So you mean that as a Biology graduate, I can actually get a job as a programmer (if I have the skills) and then use the job offer to gain permanent residency in Germany?

Won't they ask me the relationship between biology and programming?

Programming is not by any means related to biology which happens to be the course of study in University

Bro if you are good, your employer will go all the way to retain you. There is always an exception to every case.
I know of a student(Indian), came as a student and after 2 months got a job and applied for blue card.
Nothing is impossible, besides, I am yet to see anyone who finished his degree and was sent home because he did not get a job that commensurates what he studied. You can choose to return if you feel, and have a higher dream like the poster in the other thread.

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by ladyb4sure(f): 7:25pm On May 14
All I know is if you are real hustler not all this rich kid they spoonfeed grin, the sky is your starting point.

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by Goztino(m): 9:43pm On May 14
willy2000:

Bro if you are good, your employer will go all the way to retain you. There is always an exception to every case.
I know of a student(Indian), came as a student and after 2 months got a job and applied for blue card.
Nothing is impossible, besides am yet to see anyone who finished his degree and was sent home because he did not get a job that commensurates what he studied. You can choose to return if you feel, and have a higher dream like the poster in the other thread.

Lol. Immediately the 18 months post graduation grace pass, you are automatically an illegal immigrant and can be deported at anytime.
A smart person won't even wait till that time elapse before taking another action.
Nobody wanna be an escape goat

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Re: Nigerian Students In Germany..how Do You Survive?? by willy2000(m): 9:45pm On May 14
Goztino:


Lol. Immediately the 18 months post graduation grace pass, you are automatically an illegal immigrant and can be deported at anytime.
A smart person won't even wait till that time elapse before taking another action.
Nobody wanna be an escape goat
who told you so?

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