frosbel:

trust me, before you were born I understood what this idiom meant, know a joke when you see one.

btw , which question did I dodge ?

I know you are old enough to be a grandfather even though you act like a juvenile deliquent.

OLAADEGBU:

I know you are old enough to be a grandfather even though you act like a juvenile deliquent.

May God let me live long enough to become a grandfather, Amen.

frosbel:

May God let me live long enough to become a grandfather, Amen.

I said that you are old enough to be a grandfather, are you going to deny this?

OLAADEGBU:

I said that you are old enough to be a grandfather, are going to deny this?

what has age got to do with this , lol.

I am not a grandad , I am a long way from being one, but I pray to be one.

frosbel:

what has age got to do with this , lol.

I am not a grandad , I am a long way from being one, but I pray to be one.

You brought your age into it when you claimed to know what the idiom meant before idnoble135 was born and I only confirmed that you are old enough to be a grandfather. You were the one who betrayed your true age in the first place.

OLAADEGBU:

You brought your age into it when you claimed to know what the metaphor meant before idnoble135 was born and I only confirmed that you are old enough to be a grandfather. You were the one who betrayed your true age in the first place.

You are such a petty kid, lol, I had declared my age range for thousands to see on this forum in the profile section, what is there to hide about age, abi na woman I be.

Stick to topic and stop making yourself look foolish.

frosbel:

You are such a petty kid, lol, I had declared my age range for thousands to see on this forum in the profile section, what is there to hide about age, abi na woman I be.

Stick to topic and stop making yourself look foolish.

I just had to remind you of your age so that you will stop behaving like a brat and assume some responsibility.

OLAADEGBU:

I just had to remind you of your age so that you will stop behaving like a brat and assume some responsibility.

Olodo, what has age got to do with anything, except that you are now so confused, anything method of attack is now legal.

frosbel:

trust me, before you were born I understood what this idiom meant, know a joke when you see one.

btw , which question did I dodge ?

before i was born? Wow! Okkk....
I asked the simple question that, "what are your beliefs, your doctrine".

idnoble135:
before i was born? Wow! Okkk....
I asked the simple question that, "what are your beliefs, your doctrine".

1. I believe in ONE GOD like Jesus did.

2. I believe Jesus is the Son of GOD and Messiah

3. I believe that the wages of SIN is death and the gift of GOD is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

4. I believe that without holiness ( not to be cofused with legalism ) no man will see GOD.

5. I believe in the second coming of Christ and the final resurrection, judgement and rewards.

6. I believe in a new heaven and new earth for the righteousness and destruction for the wicked including SATAN

7. I believe we should follow the new testament way of giving , which is giving to the poor and needy and not the fraudulent payments of the tithe to the church.

8. I believe MAN is not immortal , he is mortal, thus when he dies he sleeps till the resurrection, man can only become immortal if granted eternal life.


etc etc etc

frosbel:


1. I believe in ONE GOD like Jesus did.

2. I believe Jesus is the Son of GOD and Messiah

3. I believe that the wages of SIN is death and the gift of GOD is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

4. I believe that without holiness ( not to be cofused with legalism ) no man will see GOD.

5. I believe in the second coming of Christ and the final resurrection, judgement and rewards.

6. I believe in a new heaven and new earth for the righteousness and destruction for the wicked including SATAN

7. I believe we should follow the new testament way of giving , which is giving to the poor and needy and not the fraudulent payments of the tithe to the church.

8. I believe MAN is not immortal , he is mortal, thus when he dies he sleeps till the resurrection, man can only become immortal if granted eternal life.


etc etc etc

Questions
1. Do you believe in the trinity?
2. Is Jesus God?
3. You believe tithes dont longer exist?
And if i may ask;
Why do you seem to have critics? I dont know the genesis of the whole saga, and i would want to know the issues that became the bone of contention.

[quote author=idnoble135]
Questions
1. Do you believe in the trinity?

Is God a trinity or a singular person ?

2. Is Jesus God?

Is Jesus GOD or is he the Son of GOD.

3. You believe tithes dont longer exist?

Do you believe we are under the law or under grace ?

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]
Brother, you should give me a straightforward answer naw, and not reply questions with questions.

idnoble135:
Brother, you should give me a straightforward answer naw, and not reply questions with questions.

I have given you the plain gospel, what else do you want ?

frosbel:

I have given you the plain gospel, what else do you want ?

Alright, i hear you. Am not out to start arguments. God shall bring the believers to the unity of the faith. Amen.

One would have thought a deeper,especially the offspring of the main man wouldn't like to be called jerry,which sounds a little too outlandish and posh for deeper.

Something like Jeremiah would have been the appropriate pronounciation. Whichever they see it,they are kids born with silver spoon,with plenty,in as much as they want to cover it.

Pls oo d couples shld b 4given coz nobody z perfect. D gurl jst had 2 luk gud 2 herself jst dat once afterall she wont b celebratin her weddin everi mnth..,..let dem leave d judgement 2 God n nt try 2 help God do his job by judging coz he alone can judge n nt b judged.

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Colin Adua :Resignation or no resignation, apology or no apology, suspension or no suspension, discipline or no discipline, all those are meaningless medicine after death, the wedding has been permitted, the damage has been done. Why did the church allow the worldly wedding to hold in the first place? Didnt they see her make up at their traditional wedding two days before? Are the members afraid to rebuke the son of their pastor? All these shenanigans, laterly is just, far far far foul a move to stop other members from giving their children high society wedding, after they have already given it to their kids

That's the part that irks me

Everybody should be able to enjoy what they enjoyed, it was a nice wedding and I don't see what he apologized for

As a Pastor, Pastor W.F Kumuyi should be able to practice what he preaches if he can't practice what he preaches then what is the whole purpose of him preaching in the first place?

Colin Adua:

A bunch of over pampered kids!

You certainly sound like one.

Colin Adua:

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day.

Are you basing this on facts or just hearsay?

Colin Adua:

Now, somebody in the same church, after years of humiliating and openly rebuking others for far lesser offfence, has the effrontery to adorn herself with perming(are you sure, that, is not weavon/wig), makeup, earing, wedding gown, see through show shoulder dress, against the church's 38 years preaching/ standard and the wedding was allowed to hold, while the GS was present, just because of what? Probably, because she is being married to the GS (Oga on top) son. And deeper life members were there, clapping for them, beaming with smiles, inside deeper life church. You people needs to try more harder to explain to me that there is no DOULBE STANDARD.

You are basing your emotional outbursts on hearsays which are not facts. The bride didn't wear earrings and the wedding did not take place in DLBC. If you don't have the full information surrounding the whole scenario why do you want to bring yourself under a curse like Mariam did?

Colin Adua:

Resignation or no resignation, apology or no apology, suspension or no suspension, discipline or no discipline, all those are meaningless medicine after death, the wedding has been permitted, the damage has been done. Why did the church allow the worldly wedding to hold in the first place? Didnt they see her make up at their traditional wedding two days before? Are the members afraid to rebuke the son of their pastor? All these shenanigans, laterly is just, far far far foul, a move to stop other members from giving their children high society wedding, after they have already given it to their kids.

If you sincerely wanted answers to these questions you should have consulted your pastor instead of venting your pains with unbelievers who don't care about the state of your soul? If the fact that you have been prevented from wearing make up is the issue then you don't have to stay in the church, especially if make up is more important to you than your soul.

Colin Adua:

Is it not outright hypocrisy, double standard and lack of integrity? Am still very shocked, disappointed and I feel betrayed. I did not attend the wedding of someone very close to me, I did not take pictures with them, neither did I eat their cake and food at the hall, in my protest that I did not support him marrying an unbeliever, neither do I support his flambouyant worldly wedding, partly because of the church then, now look at this. How will he see me now? Is it not an outright betrayal?

If your conviction is not based on the word of God you will be moved by what you see or hear. Let Christ be your rock and you shall not fall.

Colin Adua:

Pastor Kumuyi would have shown us the stuff he was made of(if he was actually made of any stuff). He was there, sat quietly, took pictures with them, probably, drank their wine (are you sure that wine wasnt alcoholic), listened to their songs(I wonder what they were singing about, in that shameless disobedience to a constituted organisation), possibly ate their cake and food. Then flown back to Nigeria and started waving resignation over our faces. He doesnt need to offer resignation, as I read from a paper, he should have submitted a resignation letter, gone home collected all the wedding pictures and videos from the naughty couple and get them burnt, if he is serious.

The bolded above tells me that you have no fact to buttress your point. Is it the newspapers that made spurious reports that she wore earrings when she did not? You need to get your facts right and not put your faith in what you will later find out to be false reports and assumptions.

Colin Adua:

I find it difficult listening to his messages again, because I keep asking myself, do this man mean all these things he is saying? If not the issue with my PC, I would have gotten all of them deleted from my HDD.

The devil has got you where he needs you. You've allowed your faith that was built on the promises of God to be destroyed by all the naysayers and gainsayers. It is easier to destroy than to build and you know that the devil has only come to steal, kill and destroy and that's if you allow him.

Colin Adua:

What has happened to open rebuke, that the church has been preaching? What has happened to showing our faith by our works? What has happened to " a leader's sin is a leading sin" condemnation? Why didnt kumuyi call off or halt that wedding when he saw that girl like that? Why didnt he cancel it and chase those bunch of naughty kids out of the church, as has been done to so many other people in the past (as I heard, I never witnessed any), as the general overseer of the whole branches? He would have welded his cane immediately. A worthy shepherd can never see a sheep getting lost and keep quiet and after it must have gotten lost and eaten he now starts looking for it.

Again you "heard" who are you hearing from? Are you hearing from the Lord?

Colin Adua:

If he had chased them out of the church and had postponed the wedding, now I would have been celebrating him, boasting and thumping my chest. And my respect for him would have gone back to 100%. But he sat there and kept quiet, while his kids were disobeying the church, now he is crying foul and rejecting apology. Thats crying when the head is already cut off, medicine after death, an outright double standard, because no one in his right senses can believe that he did not consent to the wedding.

Again, you do not know all the facts. It is wrong for you to wrongly accuse the Man of God of things you are ignorant of. Learn the lesson Mariam learnt and be wise.

Colin Adua:

The high society wedding, has already been done, the pictures are probably somewhere waiting to be enlarged, framed and hanged. Few years from now, the kids will look at them and possibly grin with satisfaction and give themselves high five and thumbs up, that they looked good during their day. And other members will still be shackled down from happiness, freedom and liberty with unnecessary laws.

If it is the high society wedding that you are after then go ahead and do it. If you think that worldliness and idolatory will make you happy go ahead and do it. Don't give the excuse that the church would not allow it.

Colin Adua:

Had it been that this happened to another pastor like Lazarus Mouka, deeper life members would have piecesed him. They will talk and talk and talk untill their arses starts talking. Only God knows what they would have said. Now, it has happened to Deeper Life and they are defending their pastor, trying to sweep it under the carpet. Thank God for the media, it would have been cleverly underplayed.

You say that they are defending their pastor. That means that he wasn't your pastor. Why don't you just say it that you are advertising your pastor?

Colin Adua:

My respect for him has gone from 70% to -20%. He should be disciplined and suspended for sitting quietly, consenting to that wedding, just like the Jamaican national overseer. If God is still interested in DL, HE will raise somebody far better than him. Nobody is indispensable. Kumuyi should get off there for some time it will help us to recover easily, retaining him as GS for now is still amounting to another double standard, an unfair treatment, since the Jamaican overseer, has been suspended. A lot of pastors in deeper life has been disciplined for an offence far lesser. PLEASE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE BY EXAMPLE.

For your information. There have been visions of those who visited heaven and heard what the Lord Jesus Christ testified about W.F. Kumuyi and showed them his mansion. His wife who has moved on to glory was also seen in her splendour. You are still in the race and you are condemning what the Lord has not condemned. Take heed.

Colin Adua:

Deeper life should go and put the church in order, making sure that those bunch of over pampered kids, did not give birth before 9 months of their wedding. They should counsel, monitor and nurtur them so that they should not fight and divorce. Because that will finish the already dented image of the church. A woman who can shamelessly, globally and overtly disobey an old constituted organisation, she grew up in, with alacrity, without minding whose ox is gored, doesnt seem like an ideal virtuous, submisssive wife to me.

The Lord is building His Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The bride in question is not married to you so you don't have to worry yourself of what becomes of her, if anything at all pray for them. Bitterness and anger will destroy you if you don't let go and let God.

Colin Adua:

Maybe God has seen these lack of integrity, far before we do and raised a new pastor in the person of Lazarus Mouka for himself and us.

At least we can see where you are coming from and where you are going. You mentioned your pastor unlike others who hide their's in secrecy.

Colin Adua:

I wish, finally someone will just tell me that this is not true, that it didnt happen. I wish I can wake up and find all this a dream.

When you wake up out of your nightmare you will then face the reality of life and see that all your assumptions are false.

Colin Adua:

Kai, na waoh! am stranded. I never imagined nor expected this from a family we boast of and look up to.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THIS WRITEUP, IF THAT WORLDLY WEDDING DID NOT HAPPEN AFTER ALL.

Colin.

You better ask God to forgive you for blasphemy and false witnessing before its too late, He will surely forgive.

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Trust me Frosbel, I have to admit that you are one of a kind! You deal with substance especially when it has to do with Christianity and eschew shadows! Good job

A lot of noise over nothing.

No one individual owns the church. GOD is the ultimate owner of the church so why are His custodians stressing so much? Why are people eager to please human beings and not God.?

Where in the Bible did God condem.....all the things condemned by Deeper life?

God is not any Pastor; neither is any pastor God so don't see any man made doctrine as that of God. Your sole purpose is to please God not any human being. Please let the peace of God reign. He looks at the heart not all these superficial sacrifices.

Queries:

(1) is the church standard different from branch to branch,country to country?
(2) is the rule different depending on your pedigree or status?
(3) Before their marriage ceremony was there a period of marriage counseling. Did they attend the class?
(4) Since they are not outsiders, was it an intentional act or otherwise?

My take is, 'give unto Caesar what is his and unto Christ His'. They should have followed the tradition of the church just for that one occasion which they are not stranger to otherwise they would have insisted to do it there own way but in another church of which everyone will know their true intention. Now we don't know if it is deliberate act of disobedience or not. What is the apology for?

From the time of John the Baptist till now the Kingdom of God suffers violence. Churches have evolved with time. From the period of the Rabbis to missionaries (orthodox & protestant) and evangelical - pentecostal (conservative, moderates and liberty) churches.

Let's practice what we preach otherwise we should keep quiet!

I am just laughing. People worry themselves over nothing. I pity Christians. They will keep waiting and waiting for the last day, generations upon generations. They will never grasp the fact that this world will never end and there is no heaven and hell. That is why they keep listening to the teachings of these demi-gods who dictate their lives and limit their attaining a more purposeful and fulfilled life in this fleeting existence.

negosus: Queries:

(1) is the church standard different from branch to branch,country to country?
(2) is the rule different depending on your pedigree or status?
(3) Before their marriage ceremony was there a period of marriage counseling. Did they attend the class?
(4) Since they are not outsiders, was it an intentional act or otherwise?

My take is, 'give unto Caesar what is his and unto Christ His'. They should have followed the tradition of the church just for that one occasion which they are not stranger to otherwise they would have insisted to do it there own way but in another church of which everyone will know their true intention. Now we don't know if it is deliberate act of disobedience or not. What is the apology for?

From the time of John the Baptist till now the Kingdom of God suffers violence. Churches have evolved with time. From the period of the Rabbis to missionaries (orthodox & protestant) and evangelical - pentecostal (conservative, moderates and liberty) churches.

Let's practice what we preach otherwise we should keep quiet!

You creat the impression that there are many churches when in fact there is only one church with Jesus at the head .

Besides NO man has the authority to impose tradition on the children of God and then to define sin by the adherence to the legalistic rules.

Only God defines what sin it and is does not include the rejection of all man made traditions.

Of course there are others who excel in a traditional setting , to these we have no qualms , God respects our wishes , however the line is drawn when these traditions are preached as divine truth thereby negating the word of God.

tpia@:
kumuyi's son was the one getting married, not kumuyi himself.

its not the first time members' kids would get married, so i doubt there was anything never seen before about the process save in the minds of idle people.

you've said my mind!

Why is deeper life reacting now? In the good old days, deeper life don't watch television but now they watch. Why don't they react TO that? well i don't blame THem, Kumuyi started the church wit a confused mind of holliness

"You have made the word of God invalid because of your traditions" MARK 7:6,7

Let this new and young couple enjoy their honeymoon and marriage na.give them a break.what is all this .the wedding has come and gone all this self righteousness is getting sickening.whatever happened to the bible that says its not by works of righteousness but jesus did it all





There's even a song that pastor olukoya sings quite often.its not by works of righteousness but jesus did it all so I am complete in himm




Abeg cut some slack joor all this noise about what the bride wore and how she made up is too trivial for goodness sakes for it to be causing controversy.jeez.some people need exposure so that they can free their minds from traditions and doctrines of men

well i wont lie i didnt actually bother finishin the article or speech, that is before gettin irritated.
1.every1 on this earth was born with the right to decide for himself/herself regardless of what their parent or church may want for them [free will]
2.people should be judged by the content of their heart and not their out looks.
3.there's a difference between tradition and christianity.
If am wrong please let me knw cos am nt in supprt of what we do in the name of christianity...