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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by emmanuel4758(m): 11:37am On Jul 16, 2013
ekea2001: It's a pity this people aint listening.May there be a revolution in Nigeria.let's mobilize on the streets of Abuja and call for a change.from the National assembly of wasteful lawmakers to Aso rock
your fada nyash
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Itoroetti(m): 11:37am On Jul 16, 2013
Delafruita:
am i in dreamland?you do realise this sentiment you align yourself with is a big indictment of Mr Fresh Air

He's trying to be sincere with the truth and not been economical with it,unlike u and ur fellow e-warlords that would support buhari and tinubu even when they keep committing worst atrocities.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Chetimah(m): 11:37am On Jul 16, 2013
what do u think of an ijaw man and okirika woman,avta drinking ogogoro,local gin with fish he done finish,no be d man fault,is der culture,dey spend extraodinary,anybody dat av bin to niger delta we knw,i submit

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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Itoroetti(m): 11:42am On Jul 16, 2013
bloggernaija: How do you expect pea-brained dolt to spend money they did not work for.
PUNCH,STOP BEATING A DEAD HORSE.

U are a M.u.g.u.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 11:42am On Jul 16, 2013
9jadelta: mumu airforce one is not a plane
Intelligentia, what is it?

A flying saucer, No?, a hovercraft, No?, mechanical winged shuttle?

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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by ejihand1(m): 11:47am On Jul 16, 2013
Jenams: Only violent revolution will stop such insolence


Revolution! Can you come out for ordinary peaceful demonstration?
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Gbawe: 11:49am On Jul 16, 2013
solomon111: Most of those jets were not bought in jonathan's administration.
If you're looking for who to hold responsible,OBJ is still alive.

GEJ met 7 planes. If the right leader for Nigeria, he should have sold off 5 or 6 to leave 2 or 1. Instead he brought three to augment the PAF to ten and create a bigger fiscal headache on top of what existed that should only be reduced drastically. This is a direct example of GEJ worsening the problem.

Let us speak the truth and shame the devil. OBJ and GEJ are the same in being part of the problem of Nigeria rather than the solution. When most nations far richer than Nigeria do not entertain such excess, what can be OBJ and GEJ's excuse for such if not that this is what their Party believes in? Just simply say wrong is wrong and stop dragging names from the past into issues as mitigation for what is currently being done wrong in the present. What GEJ is doing is wrong, thoughtless, highly profligate and anti-people. Nothing OBJ did can detract from that. They are both callously greedy in my opinion. Only an unrepentant jingoist will not be extremely dejected by the parts in red below that show what GEJ is.

Who is happy to know that the amount spent maintaining GEJ's planes is N7 billion more than is spent on equipping the police force? Which kind of leader would sanction such if not one who "does not give a damn" about Nigerians?

http://www.nigeriannewsservice.com/nns-news-archive/headlines/budget-2011-presidency-to-spend-n18bn-on-fleet

Budget 2011: Presidency to spend N18bn on fleet

Following plans by the Presidency to spend N18 billion from this year’s budget on the maintenance of presidential planes in its fleet, financial and real estate experts have disclosed that the amount is only N1 billion higher than what could provide decent accommodation for the 17 million UN-Habitat estimated un-housed Nigerians.

Figures obtained by BusinessDay has shown that the allocation for the presidential fleet comes under the allocation to ‘Intelligence Community’ which got a total budget allocation of N105 billion, ranking it as one of the top ten allocations in the 2011 budget.

The amount of money the Presidency plans to spend on its presidential fleet of planes which carries it in comfort around the world is about N1 billion higher than the N16 billion with which government plans to confront the housing deficit of over 17 million Nigerians.

The N18 billion on the presidential fleet is also N7 billion higher than the N11 billion the government intends to spend equipping the country’s police force in 2011, and just about N2 billion less than it intends to spend on the nation’s aviation sector.

Financial analysts have also calculated that the N18 billion, if deployed to the epileptic power supply the country is currently grappling with, could provide 120 megawatts of electricity which is enough to light up Asaba, Delta State capital.

It will be recalled that in August 2010, the minister of Information at the time, Dora Akunyili had, at the end of a Federal Executive Council meeting, announced the acquisition of three additional presidential jets for the Nigerian presidential fleet at the cost of N23.1 billion.

The addition was to complement the eight existing aircraft that were already in the fleet.

Nigeria’s presidential fleet, which is one of the largest in the world, is made up of a Boeing Business Jet (BBJ) bought in 2006 by President Olusegun Obasanjo, a Gulfstream V, a Gulfstream IVSP, and two Falcon 900s.

It is not clear, though, if the N18 billion allocation to the Presidential fleet in 2011 is purely for maintenance, buying an additional airplane or for both; but a source in the Presidency last night told BusinessDay that there was no plan to buy new planes for the Presidency this year.

In the 2010 proposal, the Presidency had actually proposed the acquisition of four new aircraft for the presidential fleet and had made a budget provision of N23.4 billion in that budget for them.

Akunyili had said then that “the committee set up for the acquisition of the aircraft was able to get a reduction of the sum of $2.9 million from the proposed price of two Falcon 7X aircraft and a reduction of the sum of $5.4 million from the offer of the Gulfstream G550 aircraft.”

She had also explained that “the first Falcon aircraft being purchased will be delivered by the end of the fourth quarter of 2010 while the second Falcon and Gulfstream G550 will be delivered by the end of the second quarter 2011.”

BusinessDay investigations show that Nigeria is one of the few countries in the world with a dedicated presidential fleet. Most countries prefer to convert aircraft used by their national carriers for use by their Presidency crew whenever the President is going on international trips. At other times, such world leaders could use an aircraft managed by the country’s Air Force for local trips.

For example, international trips of the Chinese President are managed by the government-owned national carrier - Air China, while domestic travels are operated by the 34th division of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force.

For the British monarch and other members of the Royal Family, the Prime Minister and other ministers of the British Government, air transport is provided by either No. 32 (The Royal) Squadron of the Royal Air Force (RAF), chartered civilian aircraft or scheduled commercial flights - normally British Airways - for senior members of the royal family, and other commercial carriers for the Prime Minister and aides.

Aside Nigeria, the United States of America is another country that maintains a dedicated fleet of aircraft for its presidency.

With Nigeria’s Presidential fleet parading 11 different planes, BusinessDay analysis shows that the cumulative spend of N41 billion on the presidential fleet in two years would be enough to buy five Boeing 737-600 planes; large enough to start a national carrier for the nation. The average cost of a Boeing 737-600 is N8.5 billion (based on figures obtained from Boeing website). An analyst familiar with workings at airports told BusinessDay that “a national or flag carrier like Air Nigeria can be safely and profitably operated with five aircraft.”

The Federal Government sold Nigeria Airways - the nation’s national carrier - because it could not run it profitably.

The offices under ‘Intelligence Community’ which allocation of N105 billion ranks among the top ten allocations in the 2011 budget include: Office of the National Security Adviser (NSA), Directorate of State Security Service (SSS), the National Intelligence Agency (NIA), and the Presidential Air Fleet.

A breakdown of the allocations to the various units shows that the Office of the NSA plans to spend N37 billion in 2011; the SSS will spend N24 billion, while the NIA is planning to spend N26 billion.




It will be recalled that in August 2010, the minister of Information at the time, Dora Akunyili had, at the end of a Federal Executive Council meeting, announced the acquisition of three additional presidential jets for the Nigerian presidential fleet at the cost of N23.1 billion.

The addition was to complement the eight existing aircraft that were already in the fleet.

Nigeria’s presidential fleet, which is one of the largest in the world, is made up of a Boeing Business Jet (BBJ) bought in 2006 by President Olusegun Obasanjo, a Gulfstream V, a Gulfstream IVSP, and two Falcon 900s.

It is not clear, though, if the N18 billion allocation to the Presidential fleet in 2011 is purely for maintenance, buying an additional airplane or for both; but a source in the Presidency last night told BusinessDay that there was no plan to buy new planes for the Presidency this year.

In the 2010 proposal, the Presidency had actually proposed the acquisition of four new aircraft for the presidential fleet and had made a budget provision of N23.4 billion in that budget for them.

Akunyili had said then that “the committee set up for the acquisition of the aircraft was able to get a reduction of the sum of $2.9 million from the proposed price of two Falcon 7X aircraft and a reduction of the sum of $5.4 million from the offer of the Gulfstream G550 aircraft.”

She had also explained that “the first Falcon aircraft being purchased will be delivered by the end of the fourth quarter of 2010 while the second Falcon and Gulfstream G550 will be delivered by the end of the second quarter 2011.”

BusinessDay investigations show that Nigeria is one of the few countries in the world with a dedicated presidential fleet. Most countries prefer to convert aircraft used by their national carriers for use by their Presidency crew whenever the President is going on international trips. At other times, such world leaders could use an aircraft managed by the country’s Air Force for local trips.

For example, international trips of the Chinese President are managed by the government-owned national carrier - Air China, while domestic travels are operated by the 34th division of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force.

For the British monarch and other members of the Royal Family, the Prime Minister and other ministers of the British Government, air transport is provided by either No. 32 (The Royal) Squadron of the Royal Air Force (RAF), chartered civilian aircraft or scheduled commercial flights - normally British Airways - for senior members of the royal family, and other commercial carriers for the Prime Minister and aides.

Aside Nigeria, the United States of America is another country that maintains a dedicated fleet of aircraft for its presidency.

With Nigeria’s Presidential fleet parading 11 different planes, BusinessDay analysis shows that the cumulative spend of N41 billion on the presidential fleet in two years would be enough to buy five Boeing 737-600 planes; large enough to start a national carrier for the nation. The average cost of a Boeing 737-600 is N8.5 billion (based on figures obtained from Boeing website). An analyst familiar with workings at airports told BusinessDay that “a national or flag carrier like Air Nigeria can be safely and profitably operated with five aircraft.”

The Federal Government sold Nigeria Airways - the nation’s national carrier - because it could not run it profitably.

The offices under ‘Intelligence Community’ which allocation of N105 billion ranks among the top ten allocations in the 2011 budget include: Office of the National Security Adviser (NSA), Directorate of State Security Service (SSS), the National Intelligence Agency (NIA), and the Presidential Air Fleet.

A breakdown of the allocations to the various units shows that the Office of the NSA plans to spend N37 billion in 2011; the SSS will spend N24 billion, while the NIA is planning to spend N26 billion.

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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 11:49am On Jul 16, 2013
yuzedo: And it would've been ungracious/insulting if Banda spurned the Nigerian Government's offer, even though that's exactly what should've happened.

Well, who no like awoof? Better to eat Naija's money than her country's own.

Truth is,there must be something questionable about that woman's integrity. 9 out of 10 times if dt woman comes to Nigeria u can be sure a Presidential jet from our fleet was sent to fetch,and return her to Malawi.
Won't waste my time commenting on GEJ's profligacy,...Tunde Bakare sed it all,....GEJ is going to bankrupt this Nation.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 11:53am On Jul 16, 2013
solomon111: Most of those jets were not bought in jonathan's administration.
If you're looking for who to hold responsible,OBJ is still alive.
shut up my friend! Did OBJ stop him frm sellin it?

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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 11:57am On Jul 16, 2013
solomon111: The national assembly should be the one to authorize the sale of those jets,and not the president.
The jets does not belong to jonathan,it belongs to Nigeria.
was it d National assembly dat approved d jet he added to presidential fleet wen he came onboard? Pls answer
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Lordlexy: 11:58am On Jul 16, 2013
solomon111: Most of those jets were not bought in jonathan's administration.
If you're looking for who to hold responsible,OBJ is still alive.
And what should a responsible gov't do? To sell off or add more? Lame excus. In a bid to defend you pay master, you become completely dillusional and pathetic. Even some of d die heart fans of d President bave distance themselves from this unspeakable act, but as cheap as u are, u still haven't seen anything wrong wit tis. This is not about politics, i don't defend any political party, but it's about dispassionately leaning our voice to condemn this heinous act that directly affect poor Nigerians out there.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 11:59am On Jul 16, 2013
dare2think:

What about the Finance minister's warning of money running out?

Our 'natural endowments' are being mismanaged and hardly filthers down to the average citizen, so the President curbing excesses as precaution and example to others would be exemplary.

No matter how you try to spin it, 10 jets is indicative of a souless leader surrounded by greedy advisers. We as citizens should not encourage this sort of behaviour regarless of our affiliations
Where in the world was it recorded that money 'ran' out of an economy. The finance minister is just taking precautionary economic measures to check government expenditures and fiscal deficit.
By blowing the trumpet, all agencies of government saddled with generating revenue takes drastic measures to supplant the economy. The financial regulatory agencies and controllers also take strident fiscal measures to empower the government spending and reduce public lending etc
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by authenticblack: 11:59am On Jul 16, 2013
Jonathan is not keeping 10 Aircraft but Nigeria
Maxymilliano:

It doesn't make any economic sense to continue keeping 10 aircraft for a government that is serious in curbing fiscal profligacy, the cost of maintenance and associated charges in keeping 10 aircraft is not healthy for the economy

Ihe grossly under-perforimg and under-productive legislatures should also wake up to their responsibilities and provide a semblance of checks on some of the activities of the executive rather than just serving as leeches and getting paid for doing next to nothing ...
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by samjbo: 11:59am On Jul 16, 2013
Irresponsible governance at its peak
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by kehinde1588(m): 11:59am On Jul 16, 2013
DeCleff:

I wonder pass u ooooo
am d wondest among u
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by nkemKalu: 12:00pm On Jul 16, 2013
ITbomb: Malawi just could not afford to keep the jets but Nigeria could
What is the essence of the African brotherhood if not to help one another .
That the government is spending excessively and the citizens lack to will to question or stop it should not be the fault of Jonathan.
The logic is this , if Nigerians cannot question their LGA Chairmen about the over N50m coming to council every months , why should they bother about how FG in far away Abuja is spending the free , unaccounted money
MAD MAN OF THE CENTURY
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 12:01pm On Jul 16, 2013
I do not support fiscal recklessness in govt but I view every report from Punch these days with justifiable suspicion. PUNCH is Tinubu's dog, with no credibility.

Meanwhile, the NASS can organise a public hearing on this matter so that the true number of presidential aircraft and circumstances under which they were bought would be made exposed. Also, this issue can be tabled before the president at the next presidential media briefing.

I cannot judge based on what Tinubu says through Punch. We need to hear from all sides.

Some of the aircrafts Tinubu's Punch counted as part of the ten or nine may no longer be air-worthy. Ten cars can be parked in a compound but only five of the ten may be road-worthy.

Also there's nothing wrong in Nigeria sending an aircraft to pick up the president of Malawi. Yes, Nigeria is a poor country but Nigeria is far far richer than Malawi.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by stagger: 12:02pm On Jul 16, 2013
All those aircraft were met by Jonathan. They were purchased by Shagari, IBB and OBJ. The older ones are no longer allowed to fly to most other countries because they violate the noise limits imposed by the EU and the West. Some have been put up for sale.

So we should not blame GEJ for this. I also do not see why we cannot afford to pick up another African President for a function. Nigeria is rich and can afford it. The issue is that only a few have colonized the wealth and it has not spread down to the populace.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Delafruita(m): 12:05pm On Jul 16, 2013
solomon111: The national assembly should be the one to authorize the sale of those jets,and not the president.
The jets does not belong to jonathan,it belongs to Nigeria.
you're sick
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 12:09pm On Jul 16, 2013
WHEN MATHS AND ECONOMICS WERE INVENTED, THEY WERE NOT MEANT FOR USE IN 9JA.

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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by geeez: 12:09pm On Jul 16, 2013
geeez: Trust me some people will come here and defend GEJ for wanting to buy more planes than the Malawian president has in her fleet of cars

The amount spent on the maintenance of these aircrafts can build a power plant for a community in a year


Did I not say some people will come here to defend this extravagance?

The maintenance cost (a recurring expense) is particularly hurtful to the economy

Anyone who sees nothing wrong with this bleeding of the country should be hung I swear

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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Lordlexy: 12:10pm On Jul 16, 2013
Find Out!:


They are here! making the usual excuse that our problems did not start under Jonathan. Did Joyce Banda buy the jet that she sold? Why didnt Jonathan sell the jets Obasanjo left? WHY DID HE BUY MORE? Oya answer.

there you have the difference between a leader who comes in to solve problems and a leader who comes in to create more saying that afterall, he didnt start it! You see yourself now?
Find Out, may God continue to bless you for this short but prescise response to a rather epileptic post. These guys, i tell you are gross illiterate, always trying to spin even in a face of brazing evidence. Why would anyone play politics with the livelihood of over 160m Nigerians for a plate of porridge is just behind me. Pls, ignore them.

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Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Capnd143(m): 12:11pm On Jul 16, 2013
Why critizes evri tin about Gej? Does it cost the country up to 500,000 naira to transport her down here? Is it nt just to fuel the jet and dispatch? Sha some nairalanders are pure illitrates
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by duni04(m): 12:13pm On Jul 16, 2013
ITbomb: Malawi just could not afford to keep the jets but Nigeria could
What is the essence of the African brotherhood if not to help one another .
That the government is spending excessively and the citizens lack to will to question or stop it should not be the fault of Jonathan.
The logic is this , if Nigerians cannot question their LGA Chairmen about the over N50m coming to council every months , why should they bother about how FG in far away Abuja is spending the free , unaccounted money
Smh for u. Continue patronizing corruption and financial recklessness. I pray one day you'll b a victim of government corruption.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by jemoke: 12:18pm On Jul 16, 2013
Yoruba na waoooo for una confusionist
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by since1914(m): 12:20pm On Jul 16, 2013
I heard someone mutter something about why the National Assembly hasn't said anything about the large size of the Presidential fleet...well sorry to disappoint you, but the Senate President and the Speaker also fly around in those jets as well.So as you can see, we are on our own.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by jmslimx(m): 12:21pm On Jul 16, 2013
ITbomb: Malawi just could not afford to keep the jets but Nigeria could
What is the essence of the African brotherhood if not to help one another .
That the government is spending excessively and the citizens lack to will to question or stop it should not be the fault of Jonathan.
The logic is this , if Nigerians cannot question their LGA Chairmen about the over N50m coming to council every months , why should they bother about how FG in far away Abuja is spending the free , unaccounted money

People like you need some Broom in your Guy under your pants because you type with your ass
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by slimfit1(m): 12:21pm On Jul 16, 2013
What do you expect from a man that have never worn a shoe before. The professor that leads like a nursery school teacher.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by duni04(m): 12:21pm On Jul 16, 2013
Frankie9ice:

Truth is,there must be something questionable about that woman's integrity. 9 out of 10 times if dt woman comes to Nigeria u can be sure a Presidential jet from our fleet was sent to fetch,and return her to Malawi.
Won't waste my time commenting on GEJ's profligacy,...Tunde Bakare sed it all,....GEJ is going to bankrupt this Nation.
The woman is just very smart, give her credit for that. Sell off all ur jets and luxury cars and get the stupid and wasteful nigerians to compensate for the loss. Its a model other african countries should emulate afterall Nigeria is the 'Big brother' of Africa like some pple have said here. Apparently its not just our politicians sharing our national cake, the rest of Africa wants in on our national cake. There's plenty to go round
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by BlackBaron: 12:22pm On Jul 16, 2013
Here's a breakdown of the fleet including their registration numbers.
I also got pics of almost all of them.

2 Falcon 7X jets (5N-FGV & 5N-FGU) Delivered 2010
2 Falcon 900 jets (5N-FGE & 5N-FGO)
Gulfstream 550 (5N-FGW) Delivered 2010
Boeing 737 BBJ (5N-FGT)(Nigerian Air Force 001 or Eagle One)
Gulfstream IVSP (5N-FGP)
Gulfstream V (5N-FGS)
Cessna Citation 2 aircraft (5N-AYA)
Hawker Siddley 125-800 jet (5N-AGZ). Replaced by Hawker 4000 5N-FGX
A Dornier 228 (NAF 029)
3 Presidential Helicopters - AW139s (NAF 540 & NAF 541) Last unknown.

Costs
2 Falcon 7X jets purchased in 2010 cost $51.1m each, while the Gulfstream 550 costs $53.3m.

Another less known fact is the dedication of an Airforce C-130 especially for 'Presidential duties' making it 11 aircraft in the Presidential Fleet.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by slimfit1(m): 12:23pm On Jul 16, 2013
Capnd143: Why critizes evri tin about Gej? Does it cost the country up to 500,000 naira to transport her down here? Is it nt just to fuel the jet and dispatch? Sha some nairalanders are pure illitrates

You are a complete fool with no brain its more than that you don't know much about plains please go away.
Re: Nigerian Jet For Malawian President by Nobody: 12:23pm On Jul 16, 2013
LastApostle: The difference between Nigeria and other countries highlighted by the OP is that our money pumps in like water(OIL) while the other nations tax their citizens.

We are rich nation not by human resources but with natural endowments.


Btw... Airforce 1 jet of the American President can swallow all of Nigerias presidential fleet.

With the assured air of indifference that marks every post you make on these boards, we are once again reminded that Nigeria's Presidential profligacy is all in order. Nice.

Ignorant apologists and downright dishonest charlatans who definitely know better may argue the point that the older aircraft need to be replaced due to maintenance issues (becoming expensive and dispatch reliability).

This argument is full of deceit and falsehoods. It is true that older aircraft need more checks and maintenance but this does not make them any less safe or less cost effective compared to the cost of purchasing new aircraft.

Moreover if the PAF and the presidency truly operate on a budget, maintenance costs for the all the aircraft would have been budgeted for already. If they were concerned about Nigerian’s money they would have taken the cost effective route.

To put my somewhat vitriolic discourse regarding this issue into perspective, I offer the easily verifiable example of the famed Air Force One of the United States Air force that carries the president and other aircraft. Between 1962 and 1998 a Boeing 707 was used by US presidents from John F Kennedy and Bill Clinton. This is a service record of approximately 36 years.

In Nigeria this would have been an abomination! The current Air Force One being used by President Obama was delivered to the US government in 1990. There are aircraft that serve top US government functionaries that are equally as old as the current Air Force One.

A replacement for Air Force One is expected to be delivered to the US government between the years 2017-2019. Almost 30 years after the delivery of the current Air Force One. It is interesting to note that President Obama recently as July of 2010, flew in a Gulstream III jet (an aircraft older that both the Gulstream IV and V currently in the Nigerian PAF).

Source: The Presidential Air "Fleece" Purchase - http://www.africanoutlookonline.com

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