bukatyne: Feminists don suffer!

Imagine that a poster telling me that kindness and feminism does not jell! Seriously? All feminists must be rude etc. Once the word feminism is written, a lot of posters' have an e-heart attack!

Feminists do not want to marry!
Men are always in the wrong to them!

I wonder if most posters can differentiate between Feminists and Lesbians.

It's well

coogar:

what has lesbianism gotta do with feminism? do you think we are illiterates here? what has intimate relationship between 2 women got to do with feminism?

bukatyne - you are by far the worst customer service agent from the coast of nigeria. all my enquiries just got swept under the carpet - well done!!!

luvmijeje:
It's not just you o, I even read that feminism is about female supremacy. The one that shocked me most was a supposed female writing crap about feminism.
As far as I'm concerned, they won't just have e-heart attack, they will also have e-collapse and if they are not careful it may lead to e-death cos we are just starting.

bukatyne:
You should ask the posters that think so!

As for your inquiries, they were not swept under the carpet, they were packed on a shelf! You did not answer my questions na...

I can only proceed if you do so and if you feel it's still in the start up and do not want to disclose much info, I can follow up with you still you are ready.

ileobatojo:

Bunch of ignoramuses and numskulls!

ileobatojo:
First I'm a lesbian single mom and now I'm a militant feminist which is no different from being a gay activist. You're such a doll, aren't you?

Yeah, I'm not even a tiny fraction interested in helping you satisfy your 'curiosity'. Have a nice day.

(God fearing Christian who is very happily married to a beautiful wife with an adorable son )

bukatyne:

Lol!

Luvmijeje, let's treat them jeje so that there is no e-death o!

I believe with time, more people would come around to understand what feminism means and that people's personality plays a part in their outlook to all things in life : feminism included.

It would be easier if we express our views with civility and courtesy.

It is well

coogar:

so you agree with a movement that says "all men are räpists"?? you actually believe all the men close to you are räpists? dad, brothers, uncles, etc are all räpists?



i answered - all i need to see are the prices of all your packages.

bukatyne:

Lol!

Luvmijeje, let's treat them jeje so that there is no e-death o!

I believe with time, more people would come around to understand what feminism means and that people's personality plays a part in their outlook to all things in life : feminism included.

It would be easier if we express our views with civility and courtesy.

It is well

bukatyne:

Lol!

How are you and family?

Sisi_Kill: Wait a minute! Wait a minute!

Feminist aren't Lesbians?!!!

Whaaaaaaaaa? Since when?!!! Since when?!!!

What the heck am I supposed to do with all the rings I got?! I was gonna kick next month with multiple proposals...

Gah! I had envisioned myself as the first Polygamous Feminist Lesbian (Errr....errr..do they still call it Polygamy when it is a woman doing all the marrying?)

This sucks man! It really sucks!!

Sisi_Kill:

@ Ile
Jeez woman, you haven't updated your bible yet or could it be that the pages from T to whatever is stuck together coz I know for sure that the latest version of the new Bible clearly...CLEARLY states "As a man....errr...woman defendeth in public, so she is" In order words, that you don't think people in same sexxx relationships should burn in heeeeeeeelllll means you gotta be one. Of course it gets dicey when you try to reconcile this with how Jesus Christ put a stop to the persecution of the "LovePeddler" eventhough he isn't errr...you know, so my best advice - Don't.

bukatyne:
I thought you called me one of the leading feminists on NL? Did feminism really say that all men are rapists? Lol!

You all make it seem that all anti-feminists are excellent women. You should realize that feminism forms part of one's mindset; if I am a bitter person, I will be a bitter feminist/anti-feminist etc. Same applies if I an rude, kind, polite etc.

See feminism as head/heart knowledge; it is how the knowledge is put to use that matters. It's the feminism that spurs one woman to be the best in her field that will spur another to disregard men or undermine their importance.

coogar:

what haven't they spewed with their snouts? however, men take these things on the chin. we are not supposed to moan, whinge or complain.....



oh please.....
there's no kind feminist anywhere - kind and nice to who? the opposite sex? hell no.

this is y'all's favourite slogan - "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"




hahahaha - see cop out!
come on bukatino........feminism fights for the interest of women and more often than not, it's at the expense of the men!

bukatyne:
It's a fallacy to say there are no kind feminists how it would be a fallacy to say there are no wicked/mean/bitter feminists.

coogar:

so bukatino, you are saying you are the righteous feminist and someone like say, ileoba, is a radical feminist? lololol

ileobatojo:
So Coogar, would you like to display your math and statistics skills today?

coogar:

if i have a brilliant sparring partner, why not?......you know me, i revel in this kind of challenges. so what do you have in store, the one n only palace arsonist??

ileobatojo:
Have what in store? With that your porous brain? Why would I want to spend my day trying to fill a basket with water I wonder?

I was only trying to pull you off your high horse since you called me mean. Just thought I should remind everyone of your abysmal math (and comprehension) skills on display a couple pages ago!

coogar:

so bukatino, you are saying you are the righteous feminist and someone like say, ileoba, is a radical feminist? lololol

Shollypopz:
So according to you, the testosterone level and biological difference are what makes women inferior to men?? Awesome!! I never knew having the power to give birth which in turn benefits the society at large, makes me inferior. Kudos!



You seem not to have an understanding of equality, especially in the context we are using it on this thread. Equality here is not to be like men but to have the same rights as men. I would love to assume that you know history enough to know that culture, the way past society worked enabled men in charge of decision making ....... Before 1919, women weren't even allowed to vote talk less of influencing the law that governs them. We are not trying to be like men, but trying to change the discriminating, abusive and debasing culture that regarded us as a race that shouldn't be able to exercise the same rights as men. Equality in this case is equal rights!


Stop this rubbish talk, even as a kid you watched Mulan!
Women have always looked away when they were being discriminated agaianst. Even as far as we've come in today's society, some women still believe in gender superiority, so don't act like it's only when the culture favors the women race that some women look away.

TheMadame: In all my years of service in Nigeria I have never heard of salary inequaality between males and females. If you come into the establishment with the same qualifications you are started on the same basic salary and allowances. The only difference maybe hazard allowances to which men are sometimes entitled but this more or less evens itself out through maternity leave and other incentives for women.Once again there is no salary discrimination between men and women with the same qualifications in Nigeria-truth must be told and not twisted in order to win arguements.

Pukkah:

Where did I say or suggest or insinuate that men are superior to women? My point is clear - men and women are different and it's cumbersome to demand that species which were even differently created be equal. Both genders are unique and were designed for a purpose. None of the two is superior and none is inferior.

Anyway, I wish you well as a self-appointed feminist who is trying to ensure that all the rights that are open to men are also enjoyed by women. Note again that men are not the ones asking for the rights women but the other way round.

As you go on your journey as a feminist, I advise you to consider doing the following:

Do not let a man 'toast' or woo you. Find a man to woo.
Do not let a man propose marriage to you. Propose marriage to your man and drag him to the altar. On the wedding day, do not wear white, throw bouquet or say to the pastor or imam that you'll cherish or obey the man. Let it be the other way round. Of course, you're signing the marriage register using a female name as the surname and your man is adopting that female name as his new surname.

Also try and practice female polygamy - polyandry; and let the men stay together under the roof that would be provided by you. When you go to work, call your man (or men) to get your meal ready, afterall you're the one paying for the food in full or in part.

If you happen to be around at meal times, read the newspapers and watch the TV while your man gets busy in the kitchen before he serves you the meal and announces that 'dinner is served'.

When (and if) you get pregnant, send your man (or men?) on ante-natal and when you're ready to deliver the baby, send them on 'paternity' leave. For the naming ceremony, get a female imam or pastor to conduct the proceedings while your man carries the baby throughout.

Do not breastfeed the baby, as only weak and suppressed women do so. Do not bathe, dress up or drop the baby in school. Of course, your man should do all these compulsorily. Tell him you're a feminist and it is NOT a man's world.

Socially

Sit down at events or offices with your legs carelessly separated like a man.
Stop plaiting your hair or fixing artificial hair or lashes or wearing heels or weak make-up. Men don't do all that.

When you want to swim at public pools, don't wear a bikini. Why should only men wear their boxers or briefs in public? Wear boxers like them too, expose your bosoms and swim.

Religion

Tell the Roman Catholic Church, The Church of England to appoint females as cardinals, popes or Arch Bishops. Tell Muslims to appoint female imams.

Get traditional religion to give more room/rights to females to become Oro/Ogun/Ifa priestesses as the ones dedicated to the female gender (osun and yemoja) are not sufficient or even discriminatory. The same thing applies to Hinduism.

Politics
Encourage women and your fellow feminists to contest for elections and attend nightly political meetings and gatherings. They may also choose to become political thugs and hangers-on.

Also upturn the traditional rulership across Nigeria. By all means, women must become traditional rulers and go through the rites.

Others

Talk to your man anyhow afterall you're equal to him. I can see you'll even be able to do this well from the way you responded above.

Once again, I wish you success in your journey as a feminist that's canvassing for equality of men and women but let me warn you to be very careful of certain enemies that will rise against you in this your self-chosen and 'honourable' quest. Those certain enemies are not men; they're women like you.

bukatyne:

I think it's unfair to stereotype all men as bad till they prove it just as it is unfair to stereotype all women as empty-headed because they are ... Women.

biolabee: Choi........ Bros you burst for hia

passionate88:

I think it's unfair to stereotype all men as bad till they prove it just as it is unfair to stereotype all women as empty-headed not untill they also prove it.

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Pukkah:

People should be careful what they wish for.

There's a world of difference between theory and the real world.

Pukkah:

Where did I say or suggest or insinuate that men are superior to women? My point is clear - men and women are different and it's cumbersome to demand that species which were even differently created be equal. Both genders are unique and were designed for a purpose. None of the two is superior and none is inferior.

Anyway, I wish you well as a self-appointed feminist who is trying to ensure that all the rights that are open to men are also enjoyed by women. Note again that men are not the ones asking for the rights of women but the other way round.

As you go on your journey as a feminist, I advise you to consider doing the following:

Do not let a man 'toast' or woo you. Find a man to woo.
Do not let a man propose marriage to you. Propose marriage to your man and drag him to the altar. On the wedding day, do not wear white, throw bouquet or say to the pastor or imam that you'll cherish or obey the man. Let it be the other way round. Of course, you're signing the marriage register using a female name as the surname and your man is adopting that female name as his new surname. Nothing wrong with wooing a man. Marriages are personal and it is not up to you to define how it should start. And if the couple decide to adopt the woman's name or both decide to take a new surname, again it is their business. Feminism has nothing to do with it.

Also try and practice female polygamy - polyandry; and let the men stay together under the roof that would be provided by you. When you go to work, call your man (or men) to get your meal ready, afterall you're the one paying for the food in full or in part. Some societies practice polyandry. It works for them. Again, it has nothing to do with feminism. And polyandry doesn't mean that the woman has to be the provider. The family gets to decide who the provider is depending on the situation. Leaving the whole burden on one party, whether man or woman, without prior agreement is grossly unfair.

If you happen to be around at meal times, read the newspapers and watch the TV while your man gets busy in the kitchen before he serves you the meal and announces that 'dinner is served'. Now this has to do with feminism. Why would you think it is okay for you as a man to read news and watch TV while a woman serves you a meal but it becomes a crime when the roles are reversed? Thank God I am married to someone who thinks like me. Whoever gets home first is in charge of dinner.

When (and if) you get pregnant, send your man (or men?) on ante-natal and when you're ready to deliver the baby, send them on 'paternity' leave. For the naming ceremony, get a female imam or pastor to conduct the proceedings while your man carries the baby throughout. You are just being sarcastic here. If I am the one that is pregnant, why is the man going on maternity leave? And frankly speaking, I believe that men should go on paternity leave, stay at home and help out with the baby. At least they might start to appreciate that caring for a baby is not automatically coded into women's DNA.

Do not breastfeed the baby, as only weak and suppressed women do so. Do not bathe, dress up or drop the baby in school. Of course, your man should do all these compulsorily. Tell him you're a feminist and it is NOT a man's world. There are plenty of babies that were not breastfed and the world did not end. And there were a lot of reasons why their mothers didn't breastfeed them and it is not up to you to judge them. I know of a baby who refused to breastfeed and starved for almost a week because everyone kept telling the mother that breastfeeding was the only way to go. Finally, an older woman came to visit, looked at the situation, went out and bought formula for the baby. Which the baby hungrily ate. The world didn't end and the baby is a healthy teenager now.
And why shouldn't my man take care of his child? Is he supposed to leave the care of the baby to me alone? We are parents, we parent together. That's it.

Socially

Sit down at events or offices with your legs carelessly separated like a man. Considering the fact that I wear trousers 95% of the time, I sit however I want. And this concerns you, how?
Stop plaiting your hair or fixing artificial hair or lashes or wearing heels or wear make-up. Men don't do all that. But I am not a man. And the way I dress should be MY decision, not imposed on me by other people. I don't tell you how to dress, you don't tell me how to dress.

When you want to swim at public pools, don't wear a bikini. Why should only men wear their boxers or briefs in public? Wear boxers like them too, expose your bosoms and swim. Totally confused as to what point you are trying to make.

Religion

Tell the Roman Catholic Church, The Church of England to appoint females as cardinals, popes or Arch Bishops. Tell Muslims to appoint female imams.
Get traditional religion to give more room/rights to females to become Oro/Ogun/Ifa priestesses as the ones dedicated to the female gender (osun and yemoja) are not sufficient or even discriminatory. The same thing applies to Hinduism. Actually, this is a very good and valid suggestion. Kudos. I'm Catholic and the church is very chauvinistic in a lot of things.

Politics
Encourage women and your fellow feminists to contest for elections and attend nightly political meetings and gatherings. They may also choose to become political thugs and hangers-on. Very apolitical here so don't really care. But if women want to become politicians, that is their choice and not mine to judge. And it speaks poorly of your mind frame if politics to you equates to thuggery.

Also upturn the traditional rulership across Nigeria. By all means, women must become traditional rulers and go through the rites.

Others

Talk to your man anyhow afterall you're equal to him. I can see you'll even be able to do this well from the way you responded above. People are addressed the way they address others. If as a man, you address me rudely, why would you expect politeness in return? And what does it mean to talk to someone anyhow? We talk normally. Or are you expecting me to call my husband, my lord, any time I address him?

Once again, I wish you success in your journey as a feminist that's canvassing for equality of men and women but let me warn you to be very careful of certain enemies that will rise against you in this your self-chosen and 'honourable' quest. Those certain enemies are not men; they're women like you.

Do you know why? What the majority of those reasonable and realistic women want is not the notion of equality with men (that's even naturally unattainable as I've shown) BUT equity and fairness in the way they're treated by men and the society at large.

CNN80: Okay. Agreed. Why would I want to be equal to a man? I am me and he is he. I have no right to define who he should be and he has no right to define who I should be. So what was all the long story on top for?

coogar: Why I loathe feminism... and believe it will ultimately destroy the family

99cent:

women-hating men have been saying the same for almost 200yrs now and the family still isn't destroyed yet.

"women gaining power to vote in elections will destroy the family blah blah blah.
women using birth control will destroy the family blah blah blah"
women working as professionals (doctors, lawyers, businesswomen) will destroy the family blah blah blah
women going to university instead of marrying at age 18 will destroy the family blah blah blah
women deciding not to wear white on their wedding will destroy the family blah blah
women calling the police on abusive husbands/wife beaters will destroy the family blah blah
*roll eyes*

ur problem with women having freedom of choice is that... your problem. there is nothing u can do about it. women aren't slaves or children. they can decide whether or not to wear white on their wedding. whether or not to keep their maiden name.

if u don't like it, move to saudi arabia. have fun with the talibans. there u can wrap the women up in burqas and make sure they don't see the light of day if u wish.

let me tell you a secret: the only way to eliminate feminism is to eliminate education for girls starting at a young age. Education is very empowering. So next time, marry off ur daughter at age 13 instead of sending her to school. I guarantee you 100% she will never become a feminist

99cent:
women-hating men have been saying the same for almost 200yrs now and the family still isn't destroyed yet.

"women gaining power to vote in elections will destroy the family blah blah blah.
women using birth control will destroy the family blah blah blah"
women working as professionals (doctors, lawyers, businesswomen) will destroy the family blah blah blah
women going to university instead of marrying at age 18 will destroy the family blah blah blah
women deciding not to wear white on their wedding will destroy the family blah blah
women calling the police on abusive husbands/wife beaters will destroy the family blah blah
*roll eyes*

ur problem with women having freedom of choice is that... your problem. there is nothing u can do about it. women aren't slaves or children. they can decide whether or not to wear white on their wedding. whether or not to keep their maiden name.

if u don't like it, move to saudi arabia. have fun with the talibans. there u can wrap the women up in burqas and make sure they don't see the light of day if u wish.

let me tell you a secret: the only way to eliminate feminism is to eliminate education for girls starting at a young age. Education is very empowering. So next time, marry off ur daughter at a young age instead of sending her to school. I guarantee you 100% she will never become a feminist