rka2:


It includes hangers, aviation equipment/infrastructure, maintenance apart from training and ammunition, which would include precision guided ammo.

This is what comes with operating a 4th the generation aircraft. Even in the West, upgrades are being done to aviation infrastructure at no small cost to introduce 5th generation aircraft.

The sale also includes all associated training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program, DSCA said in a statement Friday.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/20143/Trump_Administration_Approves_12_A_29_Super_Tucanos__Weapons_Sale_To_Nigeria_For__593M#.WYQTUajTVcs

They could have included an entire submarine with the deal, its still a rip off. But like they say, its your money. Enjoy.

kabe1:


That's crazy. US capacity to do serious damage is really under-estimated.

Isn't SIGNIT an area the Russians are also very good at?

Russians r there, but where is the money ?

Russians can give a fair fight but as i said where is the money

SIGINT is just a part of the ESM and i believe at present their capabilities r localized (not worldwide) due to scarcity of funds, though they have the capability.

kabe1:


Thank you Sir.

Mr kabe have u wondered why almost all phones have a Front camera??�that's a secret bro.. They can see u if they want to.... From ur previously uploaded pictures on line, phone,laptops and so on, ask Edward Snowden why he left the NSA u wud be shocked on what he reported, there was an incident i think in 2003 when an American vessel was hijacked off Somalia coast by local[color=#000000][/color]pirates guess what! the CIA through the navy intelligence that responded to d distress call called each pirate by his name, fooled them and got them arrested.... This guy's didn't have internet access or where either on social media, or on social security or had an bank account they were just a local bunch but from their voice and a picture God knows how they traced each one out.

SAN Project Hotel vessel. Construction meant to start next year. 60% local requirement during construction.

ssaengine:


They could have included an entire submarine with the deal, its still a rip off. But like they say, its your money. Enjoy.

I suppose you were there when the deal was penned. Anyway I will enjoy, thank you

SAN OPV preferred bidder. Funding has been moved to 2018/2019 financial year.

rka2:


I suppose you were there when the deal was penned. Anyway I will enjoy, thank you

I could have been on vacation on the moon. The only thing that matters is the $600 million price tag. Thats the final result. Its a pleasure.

American defence procurements are generally very overpriced, primarily because of the engineering methodology they follow during design and testing. (I'm talking in general now, not specifically about this deal)

ssaengine:
SAN OPV preferred bidder. Funding has been moved to 2018/2019 financial year.

Do you have an idea when we could have those built and delivered?

ActivateKruger:


Do you have an idea when we could have those built and delivered?

Probably build 2019, deliver 2020-2021

jakeporeshenko:

The JF-17 deal is a done deal, it appears in the national budget right under the Mi-35m, I think the delay is from Pakistan.

Yes and?? I never said it wasn't!

ssaengine:
SAN OPV preferred bidder. Funding has been moved to 2018/2019 financial year.

And don't forget the Damen FCS 5009 IPV

cutievik:
You are right bro, Iraq got about 20 Tucano's for 425million dollars including spares, ammos, and missiles am sure our 12 wouldn't come with missiles yet we are paying this much,look within and tell me it makes any sense.... It sucks

Guided bombs. You know how much those cost? Those aircrafts won't be dropping dumb bombs all around.

I'm not sure why some of us are supporting this deal. Its a complete rip off. Be reminded that this aircraft fulfills only one role - ground attack. For a cash strapped Nigeria we should be acquiring multirole platforms. Regardless of the inclusion of training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program, this is awoof money to US industries. Cutievik says Iraq got 20 for $425m including all necessary accessories and support. It is my firm belief that our $600m deal will not be as juicy as the Iraqi deal and we will see this before our very eyes when they are supplied and start operations.
This penchant for made in America weapons is bewildering.
Again we have lost the opportunity with this deal to acquire air superiority aircrafts. Algerians and Ugandan SUs, Morocann F16s or even South African Gripens will run air superiority over Nigerian airspace and we'll do nothing but stare.
THis is what happens when we shy away from open bid procurement processes.

Make we dey analyse something with open eye, leave unnecessary arguments

tdayof:


Guided bombs. You know how much those cost? Those aircrafts won't be dropping dumb bombs all around.

tdayof:


Guided bombs. You know how much those cost? Those aircrafts won't be dropping dumb bombs all around.

let dem remove d guided bomb,y would NAF go for 12 propeller aircraft for a whopping $600mln dey lost focus. 50mln per aircraft god will not forgive dem if try it

Deway75:
I'm not sure why some of us are supporting this deal. Its a complete rip off. Be reminded that this aircraft fulfills only one role - ground attack. For a cash strapped Nigeria we should be acquiring multirole platforms. Regardless of the inclusion of training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program, this is awoof money to US industries. Cutievik says Iraq got 20 for $425m including all necessary accessories and support. It is my firm belief that our $600m deal will not be as juicy as the Iraqi deal and we will see this before our very eyes when they are supplied and start operations.
This penchant for made in America weapons is bewildering.
Again we have lost the opportunity with this deal to acquire air superiority aircrafts. Algerians and Ugandan SUs, Morocann F16s or even South African Gripens will run air superiority over Nigerian airspace and we'll do nothing but stare.
THis is what happens when we shy away from open bid procurement processes.

Make we dey analyse something with open eye, leave unnecessary arguments

naf isn't dumb to buy at an expensive price If there's no need. There's obviously a reason we don't know moreover. Hanger, training, life cycle and weapons and others should amount to up to 500m depending on configuration.


Anyway we're all judging from internet source.


Moreover without an official confirmation, it still doesn't make sense.

giles14:
let dem remove d guided bomb,y would NAF go for 12 propeller aircraft for a whopping $600mln dey lost focus. 50mln per aircraft god will not forgive dem if try it

When they said we're getting a SSV, some people here asked for an official confirmation. So @giles, we know NAF will surely report after this and tell us how she spent our money. Let us wait for an official confirmation which will likely be after the arrival of the aircrafts.

tdayof:


When they said we're getting a SSV, some people here asked for an official confirmation. So @giles, we know NAF will surely report after this and tell us how she spent our money. Let us wait for an official confirmation which will likely be after the arrival of the aircrafts.

Actually it doesn’t get more official than this all we have to wait for now is confirmation from US Congress.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-nigeria-29-super-tucano-aircraft-weapons-and-associated-support

jakeporeshenko:

Actually it doesn’t get more official than this all we have to wait for now is confirmation from US Congress.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-nigeria-29-super-tucano-aircraft-weapons-and-associated-support

Good. I have nothing to say. It's better than naf not procuring anything and we not knowing there's one 600M that could have been used for procurement.

rka2:


It includes hangers, aviation equipment/infrastructure, maintenance apart from training and ammunition, which would include precision guided ammo.

This is what comes with operating a 4th the generation aircraft. Even in the West, upgrades are being done to aviation infrastructure at no small cost to introduce 5th generation aircraft.

The sale also includes all associated training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program, DSCA said in a statement Friday.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/20143/Trump_Administration_Approves_12_A_29_Super_Tucanos__Weapons_Sale_To_Nigeria_For__593M#.WYQTUajTVcs

We will build our hangar ourself. The deal is a rip off.

ssaengine:


Probably build 2019, deliver 2020-2021

How I wish there were at least 5 instead of the 3... The Asians are molesting our waters around Prince Edward Islands.

cutievik:
You are right bro, Iraq got about 20 Tucano's for 425million dollars including spares, ammos, and missiles am sure our 12 wouldn't come with missiles yet we are paying this much,look within and tell me it makes any sense.... It sucks

And according to BBC, Nigeria's Tucano will come with the most "basic configuration". Meaning, it will be stripped down of every modern avionics before it is sold to us just like they did on our Alpha Jets.
Did you know that Cameroonians Alpha Jets have more advanced avionics than Nigeria's even though they were built by the same company? Nigeria's Alpha Jets can't fire laser guided missiles only dumb bombs and we probably bought ours at exorbitant price.
In short, the Tucano deal, I think, is a blo*dy rip off.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39564855

jakeporeshenko:

Actually it doesn’t get more official than this all we have to wait for now is confirmation from US Congress.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-nigeria-29-super-tucano-aircraft-weapons-and-associated-support

It is still a better deal than $2.1 billion that was used to buy 4 alpha jet and 3 used Mi 24 and 50+ T72 MBT.

All I can say is that we have improved.

Xbee007:

And according to BBC, Nigeria's Tucano will come with the most "basic configuration". Meaning, it will be stripped down of every modern avionics before it is sold to us just like they did on our Alpha Jets.
Did you know that Cameroonians Alpha Jets have more advanced avionics than Nigeria's even though they were built by the same company? Nigeria's Alpha Jets can't fire laser guided missiles only dumb bombs and we probably bought ours at exorbitant price.
In short, the Tucano deal, I think, is a blo*dy rip off.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39564855

That is old news:

"These aircraft offer improved targeting capabilities, allowing Nigeria to more effectively lead the fight against Boko Haram and the ISIS West Africa branch, while also potentially reducing risks of collateral damage and civilian casualties,” the source said, using an acronym for the Islamic State group"


https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/08/03/us-approves-a-29-super-tucano-sale-to-nigeria/

IMHO
I will wait till i hear from the main sources : The Chief of Air staff Air Marshall Sadique Abubakar , based on his record of 2015- 2017. He has proved himself to know what he is doing.
Regardless of costs it is very evident that Nigeria needs these AIRCRAFT because what Nigeria has is not specifically designed for this kind of conflict, having said that this deal still has many hurdles to pass before it comes to fruition so biko/ jo/ Dan Allah let us all exercise patience.
The article quoted amongst other things that is in America's overall interests to sell the Planes to Nigeria, It will come with UPGRADES AND SOPHISTICATED GADGETS that will be responsible for precision and accuracy which means it will not be of basic configuration.
Again make una exercise patience story just begin

Maybe is the spare parts that make it 600M$ the airforce doesnt want any of this spare parts issue again ...

iblawi:


It is still a better deal than $2.1 billion that was used to buy 4 alpha jet and 3 used Mi 24 and 50+ T72 MBT.

All I can say is that we have improved.

Please prove this happened.

LTGEN:
IMHO
I will wait till i hear from the main sources : The Chief of Air staff Air Marshall Sadique Abubakar , based on his record of 2015- 2017. He has proved himself to know what he is doing.
Regardless of costs it is very evident that Nigeria needs these AIRCRAFT because what Nigeria has is not specifically designed for this kind of conflict, having said that this deal still has many hurdles to pass before it comes to fruition so biko/ jo/ Dan Allah let us all exercise patience.
The article quoted amongst other things that is in America's overall interests to sell the Planes to Nigeria, It will come with UPGRADES AND SOPHISTICATED GADGETS that will be responsible for precision and accuracy which means it will not be of basic configuration.
Again make una exercise patience story just begin

Yes still is the best COIN aircraft in the world, and operating cost is very low

African militaries should adopt strict open tendering processes that involve getting bids from different equipment manufacturers and whereby award of the tender is purely on merit ( performance, cost and delivery timelines). Government to government negotiations especially with the USA will leave us shortchanged. With no competition there is no incentive to reduce cost, transfer technology or deliver the much needed equipment quickly.

Take for example the recent KDF purchase of 12 MD530F aircraft for $253 million that translates to roughly $21 million per plane.This was awarded without an open and competitive process. On the other hand the USA had the Light Utility Helicopter program where the Euro copter UH-72 lakota won the contract beating the likes of MD helicopters, Bell and Augusta West land. The USA is acquiring 345 UH-72 for 3 billion USD translating to a mere $ 8.7 million per plane. This means we are paying almost 3 times as much for a helicopter that is inferior in all aspects compared to the UH-72 and funny enough the Americans are not buying their own plane.

Lets stop kidding ourselves that there is any value for money ,we are being milked dry by such contracts. The little money that we have to spare for military equipment should be used wisely and not wasted needlessly.

cutievik:
You are right bro, Iraq got about 20 Tucano's for 425million dollars including spares, ammos, and missiles am sure our 12 wouldn't come with missiles yet we are paying this much,look within and tell me it makes any sense.... It sucks

actually iraq air force doesn't operate any Tucano aircraft

jakeporeshenko:

Please prove this happened.

No need for that bro, am just happy that we have improved.

I still remember when we laughed at SA getting Gripens for $60m while we are getting Jf17 for half the price with just a little difference in terms of capabilities.

newafricaken254:
actually iraq air force doesn't operate any Tucano aircraft

I believe he wanted to type Afghanistan.

Police shooutshoout on the N2 freeway outside KwaMashu Township, Durban. 2 gang KIA.


STORY:

Gang of 5 thugs opened fire on a Police vehicle on the freeway while traveling in a stolen vehicle. Police killed 2 instantly, 1 caught and 2 fled the scene.