nemesis4u:
Nobody will give anybody the secrets of hundreds of types of weapon grade steels , these r highly specialised steels for specific use like armour grade steels , naval grade steels , submarine grade steels , ballistic/rocket grade steels etc etc. (Except for the obsolete ones maybe that too after paying a good price)

These r national secrets , their manufacturing requires their own specialised production facilities which one has to develop on their own and they have a long gestation time. And also requires extensive R & D facilities to support the same.

Normal steel r not used for military applications.

And lastly weapons r not manufactured in steel plants only raw steel fininshed or semi finished are, like hot rolled coils, cold rolled coils,rebars, forged products etc etc

Exactamundo! IIRC,you said India only got either heat treated carbon fibre steel or the formula from Finland for their own firearms manufacture.

kikuyu1:


Exactamundo! IIRC,you said India only got either heat treated carbon fibre steel or the formula from Finland for their own firearms manufacture.

Composites is a generic term

Different uses different formulation and specifications.

Eg composites for armour cannot be used as composites for aircrafts. Different types of composites r developed for different types of uses.

Those u can develop u will develop those u can't u will get them from others if possible rather than waste money and time developing the same.

nemesis4u:
Nobody will give anybody the secrets of hundreds of types of weapon grade steels , these r highly specialised steels for specific use like armour grade steels , naval grade steels , submarine grade steels , ballistic/rocket grade steels etc etc. (Except for the obsolete ones maybe that too after paying a good price)

These r national secrets , their manufacturing requires their own specialised production facilities which one has to develop on their own and they have a long gestation time. And also requires extensive R & D facilities to support the same.

Normal steel r not used for military applications.

And lastly weapons r not manufactured in steel plants only raw steel fininshed or semi finished are, like hot rolled coils, cold rolled coils,rebars, forged products etc etc

When you get a good deal from Russia. Be rest assured it's a good deal. Since we have been dealing with America,France and Britain or even China. Has any of them ever proposed transfering technology to Nigeria ? It seems you dont know what the Steel agreement with Russia is about. It involves transfer of technology into our Economy ok. Please re-investigate first before typing. It helps.

Russians are building massive projects with India, joint project for example Brymos is joint project supersonic carrier missile with india.
We can do the same with Russia and name it your name Nemesis missile. This is how it works when you already have the transfer of technology.. It means we can in the future build more to the rest West african countries.

That is how to grow.

scully95:


When you get a good deal from Russia. Be rest assured it's a good deal. Since we have been dealing with America,France and Britain or even China. Has any of them ever proposed transfering technology to Nigeria ? It seems you dont know what the Steel agreement with Russia is about. It involves transfer of technology ok. Please re-investigate first before talking. It helps.

Firstly i never said anything specific to any country,
am the last person to say anything without knowing anything especially if it involves a country/topic I don't know about.

It gives me great pleasure to see countries break the boundaries of technology and science. It sets the pace for healthy competition rather than bow down to monopoly of the few.

2ndly read and read again to get the gist of what is posted by others.

And please respect the opinions of others if u want them to respect urs.

I will be more than happy if this deal Ur talking about comes to fruition.

scully95:


Russians are building massive projects with India, joint project for example Brymos is joint project supersonic carrier missile with india.
We can do the same with Russia and name it your name Nemesis missile. This is how it works when you already have the transfer of technology.. It means we can in the future build more to the rest West african countries.

That is how to grow.

U added to Ur post later on

So yes what u wrote now is a pragmatic and sensible way to develop Ur capabilities.

But Ur wrong Russian never shared all the technology , becz then what is the need for them ?

U will have to develop the technology which will be the replacement of the imported ones.

It is a costly business but there is no other alternative. First step is always difficult then if u persist u will be definitely successful.

Just remember nobody kills their golden goose and there is a price to be paid for everything.

Another thing in order to negotiate for niche technology u will have to be in a bargaining position, this is possible only if u have either
1. Lots of money
2. Relevant technological capabilities urself, which if denied u can develop urself without any foreign help

TOT is not end all solution , it depends on the local capabilities and the type of TOT package Ur getting. If it takes care of everything from trained manpower to setting up facilities to handholding throughout the entire cycle ie documentation to production then u got a very good deal.

And for the nth time I have no business commenting between the affairs of 2 nations.

All I gave was a generalized view which is not country specific. And more to do with the steel industry per se with respect to military applications.

nemesis4u:


U added to Ur post later on

So yes what u wrote now is a pragmatic and sensible way to develop Ur capabilities.

But Ur wrong Russian never shared all the technology , becz then what is the need for them ?

U will have to develop the technology which will be the replacement of the imported ones.

It is a costly business but there is no other alternative. First step is always difficult then if u persist u will be definitely successful.

Just remember nobody kills their golden goose and there is a price to be paid for everything.

And for the nth time I have no business commenting between the affairs of 2 nations.

All I gave was a generalized view which is not country specific. And more to do with the steel industry per se with respect to military applications.

You should not expect Russia to share her latest nuclear powered cruise missile tech with us for example. That would be too much. But at least Russia can set up AK 47 factory in Nigeria in the future and we will use the steel or mill to produce set it up.(The same plan it proposed to Saudi Arabia recently) Just one example of the benefit. This is just one example of the benefits. It is unlimted what we will gain from the AjaOkuta Steel. We already have Still mills, like three. What we dont have is steel Plants.

As ties go deep, we can do great projects together, even start space exploration.

scully95:


You should not expect Russia to share her latest nuclear powered cruise missile tech with us for example. That would be too much. But at least Russia can set up AK 47 factory in Nigeria in the future and we will use the steel or mill to produce set it up.(The same plan it proposed to Saudi Arabia recently) Just one example of the benefit. This is just one example of the benefits. It is unlimted what we will gain from the AjaOkuta Steel. We already have Still mills, like three. What we dont have is steel Plants.

As ties go deep, we can do great projects together, even start space exploration.

Yes

Elands of the SADF on parade during the 1990s. Just a few years after this photo was taken, most of these would be scrapped or relegated to storage.

@Scully95 let's say Ajaokuta steels is fully functional, how many metric tonnes of steel do you think it can produce annually.

jteku:
@Scully95 let's say Ajaokuta steels is fully functional, how many metric tonnes of steel do you think it can produce annually.

1.3 million tonnes of steel per year. Low but ok for a start. There is another big one with 7 plants in the delta region too.. If we have the transfer of technology, we should be able to build more to meet the Nigerian demand alone.

They estimated Nigeria’s present steel production at about 300,000 tonnes per annum, while consumption, as shown by recent studies in 2010, is above 20 million tonnes per annum.

Still far to meet demand but a good start is what we just need.

jteku:
@Scully95 let's say Ajaokuta steels is fully functional, how many metric tonnes of steel do you think it can produce annually.

OVERVIEW

�    Integrated Steel Plant based on BF- BOF Route
�    Installed capacity � 1.3 Million Tonnes PA
�    Provision to increase Capacity  to 2.6 Million Tonnes and further to 5.2 Million Tonnes PA
�    Rolling commenced November �04
�    Rolling Entire Range 
�    Wire rod  5.5 mm- 12 mm
�    Rebars 8 mm � 30 mm
http://www.ajaokutasteel.com/site/pagef.php?cnt=Company%20Overview

SINTER PRODUCTION PLANT

Capacity

2,610,000 tonnes per annum

COKE-OVEN AND BY-PRODUCTS PLANT

Capacity

Coke   - 880,000 tonnes/year

Tar    - 48,000 tonnes/year

Ammonium Sulphate (Fertilizer) - 12, 000 tonnes/year

Coke Oven gas - 210,240,000m�

Steam  - 350,000 tonnes/year

BLAST FURNACE:

Capacity

Liquid Metal - 1,350,000 tonnes /year

Pig Casting Machine - 155,000 tonnes/year

Blast Furnace Slag  - 675,000 tonnes/year

STEEL MAKING SHOP

Capacity

Liquid Steel - 1,300,000 tonnes/year

Continous Casting Machine  - 1,813,000 tonnes/year

FINISHING MILLS

Capacity

- 1,290,000 tonnes/year

BILLET MILL

Products:

Billets - 100 x 100mm
          - 150 x 150mm

MEDIUM SECTION AND STRUCTURAL MILL

Capacity

500,000 tonnes/year

Products:

T beam - 80mm x 300mmChannels - 80mm x 300mmEqual Angles     - 70 x 70mm
-130mm x 130mm

Un � equal Angles � 50 x 80mm
100 x 160mm

LIGHT SECTION MILL

Capacity

400, 000 tonnes/year

Products

Plain and ribbed-Bars � 10mm to 30mmSquares - 10mm to 30mmHexagon  -   10 - 14mm,20mm -26mmAngles -   25 x 25mm to 50 x 50mm
With thickness between (3mm and 6mm)

Channels � 30mm to 45mmT. Sections      - 30mm to 60mm

WIRE ROD MILL

Capacity

130,000 tonnes/year

Products

Wire rods    -  5.5mm to 12.5mm
Re-bars       -   6.0mm to 12mm

http://www.ajaokutasteel.com/site/pagef.php?cnt=Products

Henry240:

But you know what i'm referring to right?

The guy in the front is wearing plate armor, its just a really lightweight set-up

You can buy something very simular off amazon
https://www.amazon.de/Warrior-5-56mm-Plate-Carrier-Coyote/dp/B00L8248P2

nemesis4u:


The guy in the front has a webbing only

The SF I have seen rarely wear body armour , they r to go in and if have to engage in fire fight use the available features of terrain buildings etc plus tactics for the best protection and then come out with out detection with all haste

Try running in a body armour , very exhausting and uncomfortable

Best idea not to get hit at all

Nope, guy in the front is wearing plate. You can see the outline of the plate itself.

Hard to find the exact one, but its one of these or similar
http://www.defensereview.com/top-tactical-gear-picks-for-deployment-a-u-s-military-special-operations-forces-sof-perspective/

tdayof:



The graphic footage begins with the Green Berets trying to take cover behind an SUV as ISIS militants surround them. [i]The soldiers fire colored smoke grenades in hopes of alerting friendly aircraft overhead before running for cover – but it’d be another two hours before French aircraft would arrive.]

Americans are so used to having massive air-support that it is now instinctual for them to start marking targets to get hit by non-existant F-16's

tdayof:


So what's the Americans doing there when they can't provide air support for their own guys?

I haven't heard of a fatal ambush on French Forces in Africa. They know how to play their game well while the Americans are trying to send a carrier to the Vietnam as a signal to China.

Special forces work.

patches689:


Nope, guy in the front is wearing plate. You can see the outline of the plate itself.

Hard to find the exact one, but its one of these or similar
http://www.defensereview.com/top-tactical-gear-picks-for-deployment-a-u-s-military-special-operations-forces-sof-perspective/

U could be right
Where did u see the outline of the plate ?

On a funny note half the guys stomach is exposed, heck of a small sized plate carrier

patches689:


Americans are so used to having massive air-support that it is now instinctual for them to start marking targets to get hit by non-existant F-16's

LOL!!

nemesis4u:


U could be right
Where did u see the outline of the plate ?

On a funny note half the guys stomach is exposed, heck of a small sized plate carrier

really I do not understand why it is so. Belief that shots would come to the chest or head maybe or something above my limited knowledge

Henry240:

However, if you take a critical look at it, what was the red smoke for? "French helicopters?"............ They were not in the area until a couple hours had passed.

The other guy running in front, was he the black soldier? The dude looked both white and black to me.

When they finally got down, why didn't they retreat? There was no logical reason to remain in that area. That's my opinion.

they didn't retreat because they were receiving fire from all direction,they couldn't pin point where the enemy was.they used the smoke grenade for concealment because they had no alternative,if they used the smoke grenade to pinpoint their location.why then did those Isis have time to ransack the green berets bodies,looting their possessions.america have always underestimated africa especially its size,with very little resources allocated to troops in africa. there more american personnel in south korea than in the whole of africa

nemesis4u:


U could be right
Where did u see the outline of the plate ?

On a funny note half the guys stomach is exposed, heck of a small sized plate carrier

Its the square on his chest under the ammo pouches.

Yep, its a small plate, but, it covers the things that would lead to an almost instant death. Gut wounds are usually not immediately fatal, you can survive for a couple of hours with a wound to the stomach if you stop the bleeding and it doesnt hit a major artery.

scully95:

1.3 million tonnes of steel per year. Low but ok for a start. There is another big one with 7 plants in the delta region too.. If we have the transfer of technology, we should be able to build more to meet the Nigerian demand alone.

They estimated Nigeria’s present steel production at about 300,000 tonnes per annum, while consumption, as shown by recent studies in 2010, is above 20 million tonnes per annum.

Still far to meet demand but a good start is what we just need.

With 1.3mt annually why do you think we should be threat to NATO......China exports 46.8mt, Japan 37.1mt, Ukraine 23.0mt, Russia 17.1mt, south Korea 9.9mt follow by the EUROPEAN UNIOUN which just export 7.9mt, if we even start producing steel we will not even contain our domestic consumption not to talk of export. So how can we be a threat to NATO.

Sukhoi 30 MKA Algerian AF

Bullet proof glass of the French embassy after the Ouagadougou attack

augusta westland family , Algerian Navy Rescue fleet

Tdayof..... Mr Sunday Idajili of UAS solutions would like to talk to you.

he has read African military's Blog review of DEMFAS Aerosystem and has requested I arrange a meet up Nd discussion on mentorship and guidance.

respond to your DM.


Good luck bro.

jteku:


With 1.3mt annually why do you think we should be threat to NATO......China exports 46.8mt, Japan 37.1mt, Ukraine 23.0mt, Russia 17.1mt, south Korea 9.9mt follow by the EUROPEAN UNIOUN which just export 7.9mt, if we even start producing steel we will not even contain our domestic consumption not to talk of export. So how can we be a threat to NATO.

Let me look for a video that explains it more. if you know what Steel industry means for the military, then you will understand why AjaOkuta steel power is a threat to AFRICOM/NATO/Anglozionist empire.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDs3bbdpqec
Start at mark 9:49



If for anything the Anglozionist empire is 100% against Russia and they cant control Russia. Aren't you current in what is going on around the world ?
Japan is permanent Angloizoonist Puppet and it became one of those countries backing dollar since that Nuclear bomb dropped in hiroshima and nagasaki.


Ukraine you mentioned just had its more pro Russian president removed to install Anglozionist permanent puppet petro porosheno which has earned Ukraine lossing donbass, Crimean P and Lugansk. Aren't you following.
As it's now, Ukraine is being runned by NATO covertly against Russia an act of war.

Even Ukraine has had its steel industry since the days of USSR before breaking after the 2nd world war.
Sout Korea you mentioned is over permanent puppet to the Anglozionist west.. Please try to understand what is going on around the globe first.

In Nigeria's case, it's different. The anglozionist empire does not control the Nigeria's economy, it does not control the Nigeria military either.
this is one of the reason Nigeria having a steel they can't control become a threat to them as this will give military power to Nigeria.

Putin has told the west to see a powerful Nigeria as partners but not as its colony from far distance. Please check my signature to understand anglozonist empire.

it's now crystal clear that Boko haram was the plan they had for Nigeria to break it into parts so they can rule it better but it failed. So can Nigeria get Ajaokuta now since their plans failed. 2015 was the deadline again.
We are in 2018 now !

[Exclusive] CEO of DEMFAS aerosystems talks to African Military Blog


In an exclusive interview with African Military Blog, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Mr Fasasi Dayo of DEMFAS Aerosystem Nigeria spoke about the company’s prospects and activities.

[img]https://3.bp..com/-dn85RMHADsg/WqFMjJcaoKI/AAAAAAAABrw/mxZLHmhL_1kKLMSmv_J3sWdLcZl70D9cQCLcBGAs/s1600/Untitled-1.jpg[/img]

ARTIST DEPICTION OF THE DEMFAS Aerosystem's UCAV.

The Defense technological sector in Nigeria is still fledgling and underdeveloped. The major players being DICON, Proforce and now DEMFAS Aerosystems.
With the current drive to buy “ Made-in-Nigeria” defence products, the Nigerian government rejuvenated its premier defense industry (DICON) and other agencies both government owned and private organisations saw the market potential and took the mantle. Such endeavors brought about the development of world class defense systems like the Proforce ARA MRAP, the
Tsaigumi Unmanned Aerial Vehicle,
Infantry Patrol Vehicle (IPV) and NNS Karaduwa.

[img]https://4.bp..com/-ng-vrsHZifg/WqFM5_tgfkI/AAAAAAAABsM/_LmOWod-X9oOw3vUGGRIjTLAJUzIph5pACEwYBhgL/s1600/img-20170118-wa0037-1024x576.jpg[/img]

About DEMFAS Aerosystems
Demfas Aerosystems is a Nigerian telecommunication equipment manufacturer.

Although, we deal in Telecommunication equipment but our expertise isn’t limited to that. We are also into the development of U nmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV ). Demfas Aerosystems as an organization gives priority to providing technological solutions needed to influence development in Nigeria and beyond.
We focus on innovative cutting edge technological capabilities, we will be providing technological solutions needed for the progress of the country both in military and civilian applications and this would be done by Nigerians.

[img]https://4.bp..com/-46wzOHKvBig/WqFNDcnHTSI/AAAAAAAABsU/U6ooQ8oOdZ8ZXyzRZwZfoVFyjtFV0SQ-wCLcBGAs/s1600/brochure-Home.png[/img]

About the CEO
I am Fasasi Tosin, an indigene of Oyo state. I am an Aerospacee ngineering student and I love meditating. Demfas Aerosystems was formed after a huge progress made from my self-researched projects.
Actually, the project was to design an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) and during the whole process, I visited some facilities in China to conduct some tests on my designs unfortunately, I couldn’t afford the design test cost.

Undaunted, I decided on what I could do with the knowledge acquired during the course of my research so that is what led to the birth of our radio communication systems. I learnt a lot from school but less than twenty percent of my academic knowledge was implemented on Demfas Aerosystem’s products.
During the course of my research, I learnt C programming and every single aspect needed to bring the radio communication system and RF jamming device into reality. The mission is simple and great.

There are several Nigerians out there with the little opportunity that I have. I have been able to get some of them onboard into Demfas
Aerosystems where some are also working on the UAV development. So the plan is to create an arena whereby Nigerians are the ones providing inno
vative and cutting edge solutions out there to the world.

The changing technological domain in Africa has forced DEMFAS Aerosystem to innovate and adapt.


What is the current situation at DEMFAS Aerosystems?

[img]https://3.bp..com/-8LZAge-qzNk/WqFM2xZJ5yI/AAAAAAAABsk/bs1hw5sWB1EV_KUs3DSS27VV9_dgl6WXQCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_20180217_224925.jpg[/img]



read the whole article here...

https://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2018/03/DEMFAS-Aerosystems.html?m=1

lionel4power:
[Exclusive] CEO of DEMFAS aerosystems talks to African Military Blog


In an exclusive interview with African Military Blog, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Mr Fasasi Dayo of DEMFAS Aerosystem Nigeria spoke about the company’s prospects and activities.

[img]https://3.bp..com/-dn85RMHADsg/WqFMjJcaoKI/AAAAAAAABrw/mxZLHmhL_1kKLMSmv_J3sWdLcZl70D9cQCLcBGAs/s1600/Untitled-1.jpg[/img]

ARTIST DEPICTION OF THE DEMFAS Aerosystem's UCAV.

The Defense technological sector in Nigeria is still fledgling and underdeveloped. The major players being DICON, Proforce and now DEMFAS Aerosystems.
With the current drive to buy “ Made-in-Nigeria” defence products, the Nigerian government rejuvenated its premier defense industry (DICON) and other agencies both government owned and private organisations saw the market potential and took the mantle. Such endeavors brought about the development of world class defense systems like the Proforce ARA MRAP, the
Tsaigumi Unmanned Aerial Vehicle,
Infantry Patrol Vehicle (IPV) and NNS Karaduwa.

[img]https://4.bp..com/-ng-vrsHZifg/WqFM5_tgfkI/AAAAAAAABsM/_LmOWod-X9oOw3vUGGRIjTLAJUzIph5pACEwYBhgL/s1600/img-20170118-wa0037-1024x576.jpg[/img]

About DEMFAS Aerosystems
Demfas Aerosystems is a Nigerian telecommunication equipment manufacturer.

Although, we deal in Telecommunication equipment but our expertise isn’t limited to that. We are also into the development of U nmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV ). Demfas Aerosystems as an organization gives priority to providing technological solutions needed to influence development in Nigeria and beyond.
We focus on innovative cutting edge technological capabilities, we will be providing technological solutions needed for the progress of the country both in military and civilian applications and this would be done by Nigerians.

[img]https://4.bp..com/-46wzOHKvBig/WqFNDcnHTSI/AAAAAAAABsU/U6ooQ8oOdZ8ZXyzRZwZfoVFyjtFV0SQ-wCLcBGAs/s1600/brochure-Home.png[/img]

About the CEO
I am Fasasi Tosin, an indigene of Oyo state. I am an Aerospacee ngineering student and I love meditating. Demfas Aerosystems was formed after a huge progress made from my self-researched projects.
Actually, the project was to design an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) and during the whole process, I visited some facilities in China to conduct some tests on my designs unfortunately, I couldn’t afford the design test cost.

Undaunted, I decided on what I could do with the knowledge acquired during the course of my research so that is what led to the birth of our radio communication systems. I learnt a lot from school but less than twenty percent of my academic knowledge was implemented on Demfas Aerosystem’s products.
During the course of my research, I learnt C programming and every single aspect needed to bring the radio communication system and RF jamming device into reality. The mission is simple and great.

There are several Nigerians out there with the little opportunity that I have. I have been able to get some of them onboard into Demfas
Aerosystems where some are also working on the UAV development. So the plan is to create an arena whereby Nigerians are the ones providing inno
vative and cutting edge solutions out there to the world.

The changing technological domain in Africa has forced DEMFAS Aerosystem to innovate and adapt.


What is the current situation at DEMFAS Aerosystems?

[img]https://3.bp..com/-8LZAge-qzNk/WqFM2xZJ5yI/AAAAAAAABsk/bs1hw5sWB1EV_KUs3DSS27VV9_dgl6WXQCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_20180217_224925.jpg[/img]



read the whole article here...

https://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2018/03/DEMFAS-Aerosystems.html?m=1

Cool!

Some amateur analysis of the Tongo Tongo ambush video.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=b0f_1518955831

Algerian1:
Sukhoi 30 MKA Algerian AF

wlc bck

newafricaken254:
Bullet proof glass of the French embassy after the Ouagadougou attack

Those holes bro..
Are they flying shrapnels or bullets ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1QTfGYj_0g
I do not know much about the issue but I have been following the argument as to it military benefit so I hope this helps.