LTGEN:

Sometimes the level(s) of Ignorance expressed is truly astounding.
It is tough to grasp .

you could share your level of knowledge as well

Faithful007:
their first orbital class rocket came in 1999. Besides they had money. Money spent on trying to engineer an orbital rocket can be better spent to make short range missiles. Take a look a this. In the aerospace world, astronautics is generally tougher than aeronautics in a sense. If till now, we do not have aircraft overhaul facilities in Nigeria, they why are we jumping to launch spacecraft without a robust industry at all. Even NASA contracts Boeing, atk. Lockheed Martin for help to build its rockets. It's all about the technology and money being available.

i just finished a term paper on the chinese space program and during Mao's days, china built great rockets meant for defense. they initially got help from the soviet union and later, developed it completely on their own. the rocket program for defense was put to hold by Deng Xiaoping after the death of Mao zhuxi. hel, through his reform and opening up felt china should not be doing that instead, it should focus on econimic development.

also, i do not think NASA would need Boeing to build rockets for them, maybe the spacecraft itself. i stand to be correctes anyway.

MiddleDimension:


i just finished a term paper on the chinese space program and during Mao's days, china built great rockets meant for defense. they initially got help from the soviet union and later, developed it completely on their own. the rocket program for defense was put to hold by Deng Xiaoping after the death of Mao zhuxi. hel, through his reform and opening up felt china should not be doing that instead, it should focus on econimic development.

also, i do not think NASA would need Boeing to build rockets for them, maybe the spacecraft itself. i stand to be correctes anyway.

you see, I would also love them to build rockets for air defense, at least to an extent. Using help from maybe denel. But orbital class rockets are a different ball game. Actually in the space shuttle, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and atk built the the shuttle and fuel tanks while Pratt and Whitney built the engines. Nasa actually contracts companies for help to build major parts of its spacecrafts. Those spacecrafts are one of the most complex machines on earth.

Faithful007:
If this is true, then the originator of that idea must be sacked. There are better things to spend money on. Developing an orbital class rocket requires a great deal of science, money and failures. If the NASDRA wants to get busy, they could develop drones, very small scale guided rockets. Aircraft technology, indigenous avionics, communications. e.t.c. Many little things in the aerospace world are still not obtainable in Nigeria.

Critical technologies are learnt and mastered while embarking on something this big. That cliché "there are better things" is mostly used by people that don't know the "better things" but aren't just okay with what's on ground.

Now all this bolded are the "small" critical things they're doing to achieve the big dream of future space launch. At least try to gather info before shooting things down

Faithful007:
their first orbital class rocket came in 1999. Besides they had money. Money spent on trying to engineer an orbital rocket can be better spent to make short range missiles. Take a look a this. In the aerospace world, astronautics is generally tougher than aeronautics in a sense. If till now, we do not have aircraft overhaul facilities in Nigeria, they why are we jumping to launch spacecraft without a robust industry at all. Even NASA contracts Boeing, atk. Lockheed Martin for help to build its rockets. It's all about the technology and money being available.

The money they had then is the same we have now. They weren't some new money as you're trying to sell

Odunayaw:
Critical technologies are learnt and mastered while embarking on something this big. That cliché "there are better things" is mostly used by people that don't know the "better things" but aren't just okay with what's on ground.

Now all this bolded are the "small" critical things they're doing to achieve the big dream of future space launch. At least try to gather info before shooting things down

See ehn, the matter here is that you need to have a well established industry before embarking on something like that. These things take time. You can't get things done by rushing. And that's the mistake we make here in Nigeria. You can't fly without running. Has Nigeria an aircraft company? No. Take for example, Brazil. Embraer started with a turboprop the EMB 110 Bandeirante. Then to jet liners. Their product became more standard and they gained experience, they moved to military technology, producing the best turboprops.. Now they partner with Sierra Nevada Corp. It would be possible then to design orbital systems. When Iran talked about their fifth generation fighter, everyone laughed because the technology wasn't there, as they could only reverse engineer f4 phantoms. It's great to have a long term vision, but we pursue short-term goals. Ask yourself, who will build the spacecraft. Is it Nigerian engineers? Do we have where to train them? Don't forget, the whole of Europe came together to pool resources and form a single space agency. And don't think you can easily find foreigners to teach rocket tech. There are very strict regulations concerning that, due to icbms. I study aeronautics and one thing I know is that there is nothing more complex than a space rocket.

A Kenyan Army helicopter has crashed in Machakos, Kenya killing the two Pilots on board. The Hughes 500MD aircraft was on a training flight at the time of the crash. It'll be recalled that exactly one month ago, on 13 June, there was another helicopter crash in Kenya in which 6 soldiers were injured.

Faithful007:
See ehn, the matter here is that you need to have a well established industry before embarking on something like that. These things take time. You can't get things done by rushing. And that's the mistake we make here in Nigeria. You can't fly without running. Has Nigeria an aircraft company? No. Take for example, Brazil. Embraer started with a turboprop the EMB 110 Bandeirante. Then to jet liners. Their product became more standard and they gained experience, they moved to military technology, producing the best turboprops.. Now they partner with Sierra Nevada Corp. It would be possible then to design orbital systems. When Iran talked about their fifth generation fighter, everyone laughed because the technology wasn't there, as they could only reverse engineer f4 phantoms. It's great to have a long term vision, but we pursue short-term goals. Ask yourself, who will build the spacecraft. Is it Nigerian engineers? Do we have where to train them? Don't forget, the whole of Europe came together to pool resources and form a single space agency. And don't think you can easily find foreigners to teach rocket tech. There are very strict regulations concerning that, due to icbms. I study aeronautics and one thing I know is that there is nothing more complex than a space rocket.

Have you read anything about NASRDA?

Odunayaw:
Have you read anything about NASRDA?

let's just rest this matter. It's becoming a deviation from the thread. If they launch anything of any sort in Lagos, we both would be happy.

Faithful007:
let's just rest this matter. It's becoming a deviation from the thread. If they launch anything of any sort in Lagos, we both would be happy.

Ok

HELICOPTER OPS ARE WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN MOVIES WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE!

Any chopper from a MD 500 with skids,to a Huey or a giant 20 ton H-53 Jolly Green Giant Sikorski can land anywhere anytime-errr,no!? Size of LZ,state of surface,ie is it stable ground,marshy,slushy snow,loose sand etc,etc?,flatness though a gradient up to 7% is tolerable ,is there trash and/or foreign objects like wood chips,leaves or grass that may get sucked into turbines or be a fire hazard?
Around 2012-15 a Spanish Puma with medics on board touched down somewhere in Afghanistan-due to loose sand it tipped over destroying the rotors and gearbox stranding them overnight in Indian Country. A good movie was made of the episode.

On August 3rd 2012, at 10:23PM, a military detachment helicopter from the Air Force (HELISAF) in Afghanistan that was carrying out a medical evacuation to rescue casualties from a US Army sappers´s unit, crashed 50km north of Bala Murghab.'' ....Once on the ground, and before the dust cloud faded, the ground collapsed underneath the rear left tyre of the landing gear. [/b]The machine leaned on that left side and overturned. The crew did an aircraft emergency halt, and after a first harm and damages assessment, they doublechecked confirming that nobody was injured.

[url]https://www.facebook.com/notes/ej%C3%A9rcito-de-tierra/aspuhel-31-rescue-in-hostile-zone/753228234828801/[/url]

This is why Light choppers like the MD series,Gazelles and Kiowas will always have a place in war regardless of the state of the battlefield .

The last pic shows the considerations of a regimental lz ;SMTH THAT FRANKLY DOESNT' CONCERN US EXCEPT PERHAPS FOR THE ALGERIANS.

[b]Chopper ops aren't nearly as simple as Hollywood makes them out to be!

chkil1:
there is smugglers problems on algerian moroccan borders , hudge quantity of moroccan cannabis enter algeria and hudge quantity of algerian fuel , subsidized food product and medicine is smuggled to Morocco.

So Algeria built on borders until now , 700 km trench ( 8 meters width and 11 meters depth) + 100 km wall , morocco built 140 km fencing borders . and there result on smuggling are very positif

I rmbr last yr the Burkinabe defmin said cigarettes and SA cocaine is smuggled through the Sahel to the Med by the so called Islamists.

Lurker4Long:
Malawi soldiers on patrol in the DRC, with Paramount Marauders.

Having seen the bomb test I really REALLY like the Marauder! IIRC only the Casspir has equivalent stanag protection level.
Funny thing heavier US analogues like the Cougar are actually less well protected.

Btw, nemesis8u, might there have been a drug smuggling route behind the recent Himalayan quarrel with your Northern buddies?
It seems there's a major Himalayan heroin smuggling in the region though IDK where exactly. Could it be the Chinese or a faction was intent on remaining in control of said route?

UltimateDreamer:
armor up

Nigeria's very own Kharkivyankas

Odunayaw:
Have you read anything about NASRDA?

we will always have his likes. it is a good thing developments are always despite having his likes.

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kikuyu1:
Btw, nemesis8u, might there have been a drug smuggling route behind the recent Himalayan quarrel with your Northern buddie?

No


I think you meant golden triangle , it lies in South East Asia

nemesis8u:


No


I think you meant golden triangle , it lies in South East Asia

No, my guy who generally clued in specified a lot of heroin also passes through the Himalayas.

kikuyu1:


No, my guy who generally clued in specified a lot of heroin also passes through the Himalayas.

Pa.... pushes some through nepal bought in via diplomatic baggage . That's it AFAIK.

nemesis8u:


Pa.... pushes some through nepal bought in via diplomatic baggage . That's it AFAIK.

No biggie ! He could be wrong, ofc. If you can tell us smth of the latest with the China situation. Was it an internal faction fight or a unified Chicom strategy? What's the game plan?

kikuyu1:


No biggie ! He could be wrong, ofc. If you can tell us smth of the latest with the China situation. Was it an internal faction fight or a unified Chicom strategy? What's the game plan?

Continuation of their long term plan to occupy territories via salami slicing. Any other reasons are moot and obscuration of the above agenda.

Modus operandi is to stab in the back while offering peace agreements.

O/T ON TYPICALLY US APPROACH TO FIREPOWER-OVERKILL:THE B 36,PREDECESSOR TO THE B 52

10,yes, 10 engines-6 rear facing piston on the push principle and a pair of jet engines made from 1946-59.

The Convair B-36 "Peacemaker"[N 1] is a strategic bomber built by Convair and operated by the United States Air Force (USAF) from 1949 to 1959. The B-36 is the largest mass-produced piston-engined aircraft ever built. It had the longest wingspan of any combat aircraft ever built, at 230 ft (70.1 m). The B-36 was the first bomber capable of delivering any of the nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal from inside its four bomb bays without aircraft modifications. With a range of 10,000 mi (16,000 km) and a maximum payload of 87,200 lb (39,600 kg), the B-36 was capable of intercontinental flight without refuelling.

Entering service in 1948, the B-36 was the primary nuclear weapons delivery vehicle of Strategic Air Command (SAC) until it was replaced by the jet-powered Boeing B-52 Stratofortress beginning in 1955. All but five aircraft were scrapped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36_Peacemaker

Nothing to add!

Watch Midway for the backstory! Needing to boost morale after Pearl Harbour in early '42 the US decided on a revenge bombing raid of limited tactical value-the B 25s were of limited payload and flying off carriers literally at the end of their range. The last of the flyguys on that hare brained mission died recently.

AUSTIN, Texas — Retired Lt. Col. Richard “Dick” Cole, the last living participant of World War II’s Doolittle Raid, died in San Antonio on Tuesday. He was 103.

Cole was one of 80 members of the first U.S. strike against Japanese mainland targets in World War II, credited for bringing optimism of winning the war to the American people.

“There’s another hole in our formation,” Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David L. Goldfein wrote on Facebook about Cole’s passing. “Our last remaining Doolittle Raider has slipped the surly bonds of Earth, and has reunited with his fellow Raiders. And what a reunion they must be having.”

A resident of Comfort, Texas, Cole was recently hospitalized at Brooke Army Medical Center, where he died Tuesday morning, said Robert Whetstone, the hospital’s spokesman.

https://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/last-living-doolittle-raider-dies-in-texas-at-103-1.576369

Rest easy,sir!

Btw,nemesis8u,we recently had a discussion on certification-or rather 3rd world countries can't build aircraft as they lack technical know how. I said as long as all certification processes ensuring quality are followed the aircraft is good to go.

It doesn't matter do you think people will take comfort in certifications. And because an aircraft is certified it cannot crash with technical problems.

Was the 737 Max not certified.

That is all academic in reality we know that military certificate is very different from civilian.

But you didn't answer the question " would you feel confident about flying in a Pakistani manufactured aircraft and if given the choice would you prefer European, American and or a Japanese manufactured aircraft.

Be real.

https://www.nairaland.com/2239266/battle-field-discussion-picture-video/1268#91441178

Can you tell us your experience with the certification of your choppers and Tejas?

kikuyu1:
Btw,nemesis8u,we recently had a discussion on certification-or rather 3rd world countries can't build aircraft as they lack technical know how. I said as long as all certification processes ensuring quality are followed the aircraft is good to go.

If one does not have the technical know how to build say a aircraft , how can one certify the same. Even if one builds a good aircraft it is not necessary it will pass all certifications.

Certifications validates the quality of the product but whether one opts for the same is voluntary. It is a best practice to do so but not necessary ( depends on the developer and user )

Certifications are done on subsystems and the complete system

Mil grade subsystems are certified to relevant Nato standards for operational clearance

Certifications are of 2 types, civilian and military

And are issued by either qualified and accredited domestic or international agencies.

Eg
If one wants to sell or fly a locally developed helicopter in Europe or US , relevant certifications
for the same must be acquired from the certifying agencies of the said countries for clearance to operate.

Dhruv and LCA r certified by Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC).

SAD NEWS.....

NAF LOSES FLYING OFFICER TOLULOPE AROTILE IN ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT IN KADUNA

It is with great sorrow that the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) regretfully announces the unfortunate demise of Flying Officer Tolulope Arotile, who died today, 14 July 2020, as a result of head injuries sustained from a road traffic accident at NAF Base Kaduna.‬ Until her death, ‪Flying Officer Arotile, who was commissioned into the NAF in September 2017 as a member of Nigerian Defence Academy Regular Course 64, was the first ever female combat helicopter pilot in the Service.‬ During her short but impactful stay in the Service, late Arotile, who hails from Iffe in Ijumu Local Government Area of Kogi State, contributed significantly to the efforts to rid the North Central States of armed bandits and other criminal elements by flying several combat missions under Operation GAMA AIKI in Minna, Niger State.

The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, on behalf officers, airmen, airwomen and civilian staff of the NAF, commiserates with the family of late ‪Flying Officer Arotile‬ over this irreparable loss. We pray that the Almighty God grants her soul eternal rest.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force
14 July 2020

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jteku:
SAD NEWS.....

NAF LOSES FLYING OFFICER TOLULOPE AROTILE IN ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT IN KADUNA

It is with great sorrow that the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) regretfully announces the unfortunate demise of Flying Officer Tolulope Arotile, who died today, 14 July 2020, as a result of head injuries sustained from a road traffic accident at NAF Base Kaduna.‬ Until her death, ‪Flying Officer Arotile, who was commissioned into the NAF in September 2017 as a member of Nigerian Defence Academy Regular Course 64, was the first ever female combat helicopter pilot in the Service.‬ During her short but impactful stay in the Service, late Arotile, who hails from Iffe in Ijumu Local Government Area of Kogi State, contributed significantly to the efforts to rid the North Central States of armed bandits and other criminal elements by flying several combat missions under Operation GAMA AIKI in Minna, Niger State.

The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, on behalf officers, airmen, airwomen and civilian staff of the NAF, commiserates with the family of late ‪Flying Officer Arotile‬ over this irreparable loss. We pray that the Almighty God grants her soul eternal rest.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force
14 July 2020

I cried literally when I heard This

Toju200:
I cried literally when I heard This

this is very bad, very sad and very annoying. If the accident was from external human factors, the person should be charged to court asap. Such a promising young lady.

Faithful007:
this is very bad, very sad and very annoying. If the accident was from external human factors, the person should be charged to court asap. Such a promising young lady.

In know that base very well and was wondering what kind of road traffic accident in the base could be fatal, there is low traffic and speed bumps almost every were.

nemesis8u:


If one does not have the technical know how to build say a aircraft , how can one certify the same. Even if one builds a good aircraft it is not necessary it will pass all certifications.

Certifications validates the quality of the product but whether one opts for the same is voluntary. It is a best practice to do so but not necessary ( depends on the developer and user )

Certifications are done on subsystems and the complete system

Mil grade subsystems are certified to relevant Nato standards for operational clearance

Certifications are of 2 types, civilian and military

And are issued by either qualified and accredited domestic or international agencies.

Eg
If one wants to sell or fly a locally developed helicopter in Europe or US , relevant certifications
for the same must be acquired from the certifying agencies of the said countries for clearance to operate.

Dhruv and LCA r certified by Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC).

Someone had claimed certification was impossible as 3rd worlders firstly lack the skilled techs. I disputed this saying as long as the techs are competent and each process is certified the whole product is ofc also certified.