QuietMynd:

If someone snap the background alone and caption it south african, I will surely argue blindly.

Believe it or not, my great-grandfather (on my mother's side) lived in this place... back in the 90s we would visit as kids. It has a very strong Mozambican influence. Ethnically, Swazi, Thonga (Tsonga) and the Zulu populations overlap and have intermarried each other.

..and yes, those fish traps (kraals) are legit, as kids we never ventured close to them as they also have a tendency of trapping Zambezi sharks.

Lurker4Long:
Ghana’s police get Marauder APCs, helicopters

The Ghana Police Service has taken delivery of a vast quantity of new equipment, including Marauder armoured personnel carriers, and helicopters.

It seems like there's a market for helicopters with rockets in Africa. I'm starting to think the Rooivalk was an overkill, maybe engineered for the Cold War. Maybe we should start looking into cheaper solutions for external deployment.

I like what they did with the Kudu back in the 80s... they were on the right track..

GreenandGold:


Actually, you have a point... I mean a Casspir (or Mfezi) is a huge target to miss with an RPG should the main convoy get itself ambushed, even an amateur militia could take out a minimum of 2 Casspirs in this convoy... so yep, a pair of our "GE Techs" should be deployed on a 5-15km ahead scout mission as suggested.

A recon section is 12 pax in 2 Mambas, though in Moz it is rumoured they sometimes add a Casspir from which their tactical gizmos are controlled, with a 20mm for additional dakka. An interesting fact I just picked up in an old manual from Angolan ops: optimally, normal distance between recon section and the rest of the company on patrol is usually 10km; if the terrain is difficult, this is shortened to 5km to enable quicker response for backup if caught in an ambush; if terrain is permissible, this is stretched out to 15km.

So, our 30mm with the recon section 5-15km ahead; and the 90mm with the main body of the convoy.

GreenandGold:


Believe it or not, my great-grandfather (on my mother's side) lived in this place... back in the 90s we would visit as kids. It has a very strong Mozambican influence. Ethnically, Swazi, Thonga (Tsonga) and the Zulu populations overlap and have intermarried each other.

..and yes, those fish traps (kraals) are legit, as kids we never ventured close to them as they also have a tendency of trapping Zambezi sharks.

I was about to mention the traditional fish traps, which are the only allowed method of fishing all along that Kosi Bay UNESCO World Heritage Site. Stupendously beautiful piece of earth.

Lurker4Long:

A recon section is 12 pax in 2 Mambas, though in Moz it is rumoured they sometimes add a Casspir from which their tactical gizmos are controlled, with a 20mm for additional dakka. An interesting fact I just picked up in an old manual from Angolan ops: optimally, normal distance between recon section and the rest of the company on patrol is usually 10km; if the terrain is difficult, this is shortened to 5km to enable quicker response for backup if caught in an ambush; if terrain is permissible, this is stretched out to 15km.

So, our 30mm with the recon section 5-15km ahead; and the 90mm with the main body of the convoy.

I know a dude who wanted to join the military, but only got discouraged by the salary .... he's the guy who wrote the above

But don't you think a 90mm shell will make a logistical nightmare.. I mean, you already have:

- 5.56×45mm NATO
- 7.62x51mm NATO (R1 and SS 77)
- 7.62 x 39mm (AK47 for the SF)
- 7.62×54mmR (KPM for the SF)
- 12.7×99mm NATO (for the Hornet and Casspirs)


I think planners and generals would avoid having such a large shell with foreign deployment, a mortar attack hitting the 90mm storeroom would set the whole base on explosive fire.

(Ukrain ammo storage exploding)

Lurker4Long:


I was about to mention the traditional fish traps, which are the only allowed method of fishing all along that Kosi Bay UNESCO World Heritage Site. Stupendously beautiful piece of earth.

2 of my uncles learnt to set them up and maintained them, grandma sent them to stay there in the 80s...One of the uncles would later join the SADF, then transferred to a paramilitary security company guiding the Kriel Power station from ANC sabotage infiltration.

....to add: He (the uncle) always told us interesting stories about his deployment, including deployment in Angola and how he was they were never told about the Bush War, the SADF authorities would always say they were on foreign "border patrol" and never told it was actually an ongoing war... He never actually faced combat.

GreenandGold:
I wonder who is funding ISIS Mozas.. I would like to read some conspiracy theories at this point and filter out the most plausible ones (and kill my last brain cells while at it).. That's the part where I miss some Kikuyi1 deep philosophy

Funded by J/Uke and the Zionist Saudis

Really miss that dude.

GreenandGold:


I know a dude who wanted to join the military, but only got discouraged by the salary .... he's the guy who wrote the above

But don't you think a 90mm shell will make a logistical nightmare.. I mean, you already have:

- 5.56×45mm NATO
- 7.62x51mm NATO (R1 and SS 77)
- 7.62 x 39mm (AK47 for the SF)
- 7.62×54mmR (KPM for the SF)
- 12.7×99mm NATO (for the Hornet and Casspirs)


I think planners and generals would avoid having such a large shell with foreign deployment, a mortar attack hitting the 90mm storeroom would set the whole base on explosive fire.

(Ukraina ammo storage exploding)

I heard that guy was keen on the airforce when they came to his university, but his eyes let him down.
You forgot the 20mm for the SF Hornets and Casspirs; 35mm anti-air for drone defence around the main Mihluri Base in Macomia; 40mm grenades for MGL and AGL; and our beloved 60mm, 81mm and 120mm mortar bombs (what's a Saffer deployment without mortars?).
Already, so many things things to go boom. But we maintain a 15km cordon sanitaire radius around Mihluri Base, meaning many things would have to go catastrophically pear-shaped for that battalion HQ to come under fire. And remember, unlike Bangui, we chose the area and built the base from scratch, with a maximalist approach towards defence. So storing 90mm shells does not significantly alter the risk profile.

And as Patches used to say, one can never have too much dakka dakka!

Faithful007:
Funded by J/Uke and the Zionist Saudis

Really miss that dude.

I would feel my brain cells exploding when reading the conspiracies..

With Mozambican ISIS, he would probably say: It's funded by Zionists via the Saudis so that Kagame would deploy his troops in Moza to undermine both Tanzania and South Africa in SADC. Then go on to post pictures from the dark parts of the internet as proof... to be honest, I was always outmatched, I was never ready for his responses on any given day.

Damn, he lived in his own world

Faithful007:
Funded by J/Uke and the Zionist Saudis

Really miss that dude.

Don't forget the Tutsi Supremacists!

GreenandGold:


I would feel my brain cells exploding when reading the conspiracies..

With Mozambican ISIS, he would probably say: It's funded by Zionists via the Saudis so that Kagame would deploy his troops in Moza to undermine both Tanzania and South Africa in SADC. Then go on to post pictures from the dark parts of the internet as proof... to be honest, I was always outmatched, I was never ready for his responses on any given day.

Damn, he lived in his own world

He wasn't wrong about Kagame's megalomania though. I would part ways with him when he went all primitive/tribalist and ascribed to it some grand Tutsi conspiracy spanning east and some parts of southern Africa.

Lurker4Long:


I heard that guy was keen on the airforce when they came to his university, but his eyes let him down.
You forgot the 20mm for the SF Hornets and Casspirs; 35mm anti-air for drone defence around the main Mihluri Base in Macomia; 40mm grenades for MGL and AGL; and our beloved 60mm, 81mm and 120mm mortar bombs (what's a Saffer deployment without mortars?).
Already, so many things things to go boom. But we maintain a 15km cordon sanitaire radius around Mihluri so many things would have to go catastrophically pear-shaped for that battalion HQ to come under fire. And remember, unlike Bangui, we chose the area and built the base from scratch, with a maximalist approach towards defence. So storing 90mm shells does not significantly alter the risk profile.

And as Patches used to say, one can never have too much dakka dakka!

Damn, how do I forget the mortar shells, that's our bread and butter... in fact when I was reading the M23 article you posted, I was like "oh so now the Rwanda-M23 has seen how effective mortar is and now they are trying to copy the legends of the game".

of course, you can never have too much dakka-dakka... even Micheal Bay figured he should bring in some South African dakka-dakka to kill to kill some Transformers

GreenandGold:


Damn, how do I forget the mortar shells, that's our bread and butter... in fact when I was reading the M23 article you posted, I was like "oh so now the Rwanda-M23 has seen how effective mortar is and now they are trying to copy the legends of the game".

According to someone who was there during FIB1 in 2013, when Rwanda DF crossed the border to re-supply M23 at night, it was SF small teams behind the lines that called in mortar fire and obliterated them. Incriminating evidence was collected on the scene and this resulted in that famous week when M23 calls to Kigali went unanswered and Rooivalke did their thing.
Alas, the remnants made it across to Rwanda, were not imprisoned as happened to those who fled to Uganda - the RDF put them up in their barracks and the leaders in hotels -and 10 years later they're back to inflict more mayhem!

Hiya Nemesis4you
Met someone today at Africa Energy Indaba 2023 who said she worked at CSIR.
Assumed our CSIR and asked her if we could have "more discussions" next I'm in her neck of the woods.
Her reply: "You come up to Delhi often?"

Moral of the story: accent is no reliable indicator of anything!

Lurker4Long:


According to someone who was there during FIB1 in 2013, when Rwanda DF crossed the border to re-supply M23 at night, it was SF small teams behind the lines that called in mortar fire and obliterated them. Incriminating evidence was collected on the scene and this resulted in that famous week when M23 calls to Kigali went unanswered and Rooivalke did their thing.
Alas, the remnants made it across to Rwanda, were not imprisoned as happened to those who fled to Uganda - the RDF put them up in their barracks and the leaders in hotels -and 10 years later they're back to inflict more mayhem!

I guess whatever Kagame is mining in the eastern DRC is making him super rich... of course, the Israelis and French are on it as well.

Another of my theories is that the Congolese leadership is deliberately making FARDC (National military) very weak. I mean, logic would say you would train and equip your troops accordingly if you live in a country that has neighbours who are constantly invading and have countless in-country militia groups. What is stopping the government from paying troops proper salaries for their region and equip the whole force accordingly?

In Pic: Congolese troops seen without body protection

Looking at this now, its has become an eyesore

This looks much easier on the eye

GreenandGold:


I would feel my brain cells exploding when reading the conspiracies..

With Mozambican ISIS, he would probably say: It's funded by Zionists via the Saudis so that Kagame would deploy his troops in Moza to undermine both Tanzania and South Africa in SADC. Then go on to post pictures from the dark parts of the internet as proof... to be honest, I was always outmatched, I was never ready for his responses on any given day.

Damn, he lived in his own world

Lol. Sad I never got to ask him what J/Uke actually meant.

Lurker4Long:

Don't forget the Tutsi Supremacists!

Lol.

Kagame wouldn't sponsor IS though.

GreenandGold:


I guess whatever Kagame is mining in the eastern DRC is making him super rich... of course, the Israelis and French are on it as well.

Another of my theories is that the Congolese leadership is deliberately making FARDC (National military) very weak. I mean, logic would say you would train and equip your troops accordingly if you live in a country that has neighbours who are constantly invading and countless militia. What is stopping the government from paying troops proper salaries for their region and equip the whole force accordingly?

In Pic: Congolese troops seen without body protection

Your first point: not a single one of Rwanda's mineral exports is found on Rwandan soil. The French not so much, since they supported the wrong side during the civil war/genocide. Israel, UK and to a lesser extent Kenya are the main conduits for Rwandan exports of stolen DRC minerals.

Your 2nd point: the DRC has over 40 armed groups supported by both the Congolese govt and all its neighbours. So for example, after M23, the FIB wanted to go after the FDLR, the 2nd biggest group. These are the remnants of the guys who perpetrated the genocide in Rwanda, and fled to DRC when Kagame won the war. This would have removed Kagame's justification to meddle. The DRC govt instructed the FARDC not to co-operate with the FIB ops against the FDLR. And according to UN rules, if the host country is not involved, MONUSCO cannot conduct operations. That's just 1 out of over 40 groups, with many state sponsors.
That's why the East African Community thought they should have a crack at it, outside the UN red tape.
I doubt they'll succeed, because the main spoiler, Rwanda, is a member and there's no appetite, for a myriad reasons, to forcefully confront Kagame.

Faithful007:
Lol.

Kagame wouldn't sponsor IS though.

I wouldn't be so sure. When he was fighting with Uganda over pillaging the DRC, he funded and armed the ADF, which is a DRC-based Ugandan anti-Museveni movement. They pledged bayat to ISIS only when the US/EU forced him to stop support. Indirectly, he's responsible for their resurgence and current depravity.
Nobody has clean hands in the DRC imbroglio, and that includes SA.

GreenandGold:
This looks much easier on the eye

No doubt. But I remain convinced there's a role for 90mm in this world. With infantry out in the open and no mortars or artillery, 30mm or 90mm?

Faithful007:
Lol. Sad I never got to ask him what J/Uke actually meant.

Probably a good thing. Spared us a long lecture on the Khazarian roots of European Jewry.

BTW, haven't had an interesting joust here since my last one with you. This time I want to pronounce on a subject superficially, and it must be something on which we disagree. Haven't found one yet, but get your intellectual dukes up!

And with that, the Hang Seng action for which I was waiting, begins. Outta here!

GreenandGold:
This looks much easier on the eye

maybe a stripped/lighter version of the Rg35 could also work?

Lurker4Long:

No doubt. But I remain convinced there's a role for 90mm in this world. With infantry out in the open and no mortars or artillery, 30mm or 90mm?

There are a lot of things that are not in favour for the 90mm... here's some:

- Based on the size of the Eland 90, you need to deploy multiple vehicles at once to have enough 90mm shells on the field.... now we know how much of a problem that is with our air-lift abilities.
- You'll need an additional LMG attached to the turret, the reload speed of the 90mm is not fast enough for a mobile enemy contact

Meanwhile the 30mm:

- Fit in a whole lot of shells in an Eland 90-sized vehicle ✔
- Can pierce all technical vehicles, all Soviet-built IFVs and APCs which are likely to be used by African insurgents ✔
- 30mm HE shells act as mini grenades against personnel and you can fire plenty in a short time ✔

jl115:
maybe a stripped/lighter version of the Rg35 could also work?

It would work if it was smaller, way smaller, as it stands the vehicle's height is 2.5m without the turret. That's already a house ceiling height... again, we cannot airlift it with the C-130.

I was thinking something with the height of the German Fennek vehicle

@jl115 and Lurker4Long

Is it possible to convince Aunt Zille to make the Castle of Good Hope like this?

Lurker4Long:

Probably a good thing. Spared us a long lecture on the Khazarian roots of European Jewry.

BTW, haven't had an interesting joust here since my last one with you. This time I want to pronounce on a subject superficially, and it must be something on which we disagree. Haven't found one yet, but get your intellectual dukes up!

Lol. Maybe

As for the bolded.....

GreenandGold:
@jl115 and Lurker4Long

Is it possible to convince Aunt Zille to make the Castle of Good Hope like this?

Madam Zille can build all the castles she likes..... After she's taken me off the Eskom grid

Faithful007:
Lol. Maybe

As for the bolded.....