Faithful007:
I actually love them!

Faithful007:


Comparing fighter jets based on names alone is like comparing a Toyota Camry to an Accord without referencing the model and year.

Do you see the pic below? Thats is an F16 Viper. Deliveries only started around 2018. While that SU-30 might handle the C/D models in proliferation, It will not stand a chance against this sexy motherfucker.

MiddleDimension:


In your HONEST assessment, how would you compare the F15, 16 and 18s with the SU-30MKI and other variants? I have found out the hard way that quora is not the best place to ask this kind of question. What you hear there is complete nonsense! They even rate the F-16s above the SU57.

Nemesis4you:


And comparing them by looking at them is genius level stuff, dumb dumber dumbest, proved literally

Outside of US , that F16 version was extensively trialed back home

So don't want to piss on your circus but results were far from flattering , gripen had better performance

Anyways let's come down to kiddie level understanding, something which you maybe able to understand

On a 1 to 1 bvr and wvr battle with su30

F16 with that loadout will be a sitting duck during close combat, it's aerodynamic performance will be no better than a pregnant women

Only chance it will have is during bvr, if it fails during that , and gets forced into a merge it will be toast like 90% of the time, depending on the pilots skills

The Russians weak point is their electronics be it on their radar or their missiles , replace them with better stuff and it will toast the so called best MF on a 1 ver 1, as I say on paper atleast , in real life nobody will know unless actual combat happens given the multitude of external factors which will or might determine the outcome

My point is no point in stupid porn level antics, orgasming, just by looking at pics like a ignoramus

And for fuks sake get some basic domain knowledge

Fynline:


Thanks for this

The Russians weak point is their electronics be it on their radar or their missiles , replace them with better stuff and it will toast the so called best MF on a 1 ver 1, as I say on paper atleast , in real life nobody will know unless actual combat happens given the multitude of external factors which will or might determine the outcome

Nemesis4you:


The level and amount of idiocacy is baffling

One reason why I am loath to even comment here most of the time

Nemesis4you:

Outside of US , that F16 version was extensively trialed back home

So don't want to piss on your circus but results were far from flattering , gripen had better performance

Nemesis4you:


And comparing them by looking at them is genius level stuff, dumb dumber dumbest, proved literally

Nemesis4you:


Anyways let's come down to kiddie level understanding, something which you maybe able to understand.

My point is no point in stupid porn level antics, orgasming, just by looking at pics like a ignoramus

And for fuks sake get some basic domain knowledge

Faithful007:


Comparing fighter jets based on names alone is like comparing a Toyota Camry to an Accord without referencing the model and year.

Do you see the pic below? Thats is an F16 Viper. Deliveries only started around 2018. While that SU-30 might handle the C/D models in proliferation, It will not stand a chance against this sexy motherfucker.

Faithful007:
This is false.

Nobody trials aircraft before purchasing.

Aircrafts are purchased on pre-order after inspection. If you're talking about airshows, it's just talk and pitch. I'd like you to show me an objective report where your military put the aircraft on trial against the gripen. This aircraft is different from the so called "Super Viper" offered to India a decade ago.

Faithful007:
Now this should be the last time you spit trash to me unprovoked. I can be an internet bully too and turn the heat on you as well. If you can't respond in a civil tone then I don't need your responses. All these were not necessary.

It's funny how you believe you have more knowledge than someone you have never met in reality. If we judge by the quality of basic writing/composition here, where do you think that will place you?

lionel4power:


How you guys compare two aircraft ilof different origins sometimes confuses me. How do you compare the F-16 with the Su-30.

They are not in the same class, neither are they employed in the same manner.
The F-16 which is a good aircraft on its own right is like the 'Nokia torch' of the air force world.

It is solid, dependable, but not particularly innovative or superb.

It is usually the baseline of which other jets are measured with.

Tye airframe of a typical F-16 has more or less exceeded the ability to evolve and newer upgrades are just piling weights on the airframe.

You could have compared the F-16 with later models of the MiG-29s and not the Su-30.

The Su-30 on the other hand is a true air superiority aircraft designed from the onset to find and kill enemies either through BVR or WVR.

A modern F-16 doesn't offer any advantages over a similar modern Su-30 in BVR. If both are equipped with AESA, and other better equipment.

But on the other hand, if the fight gets to WVR, the F-16 stands no chance even with its inherent negative stability.

Even with all this, warfare is based on several factors including presence of support assets, pilots skills, aircraft serviceability state etc

Nevertheless, the West don't fight like the East.

MiddleDimension:
Can the war game between the Indian Airforce and the US airforce in which the SU-30 performed better than the F-15 be used to judge how a real war would go down between the two fighters?

Faithful007:

Now lemme go into a little technical reason while I supported the F16 over the SU-30

The F16 was not designed like the F35. Most people don't know that the F16 is actually a true air superiority fighter because it was designed for dogfights with less emphasis on long range warfare. It was designed with high manuverbility in mind. The initial meaning of air superiority is a fighter that can kill others in a dogfight

The T/W ratio is a rudimentary assessment of the manuverbility and dogfighting potential of a fighter aircraft. F16s T/W is about 1.15 while the SU-30 is below 1. I haven't seen anywhere the SU-30 was rated as more manuverable than the F16. The SU-30 MKI size due to it's internal fuel tanks even make it less manuverable. The F16 even outpaces the SU-30 in speed. What else do you need?

F16 is more unstable simply because it is highly manuverable. More manuverable designs are more unstable. However unstable does not mean unflyable. Control is handled by the fly by wire computers.

The BVR capacity is where the SU-30 MKI is supposed to excel because most F16s in service with the US today don't have good radars. They have the APG-68 radar which is poorer than the N011M Bars PESA radar in the SU-30 MKI. They will essentially be targets for an SU-30 MKI.

Another slight advantage for the SU is that it packs more tools due to it's size. This can be a real disadvantage for the F16 in an extended dogfight.

Now the F16 viper has more advanced avionics including an AESA which if I'm correct, almost all SU-30 do not have, this turns the inherent disadvantage into an advantage.

Of course pilot training and tactics come into play, but if we judge based on tech and design, the F16 Viper has a clear lead.

An additional correction. The term air superiority fighter/ multi role fighter was borne out of the need to have cheaper options for performing additional missions other than air assault. A multi role fighter doesn't mean a non air superiority fighter. Mostly it is less payload and less BVR capacity and in the case of the F16, a focus on dogfight alone. Currently avionics and weapon systems are becoming the mainstay in Aerial warfare so the USAF is seeing redundancy in keeping different designs since dogfight may not exist much in the future.

Stormtrooper11:


Fun fact: The legendary John Boyd and the Fighter mafia were part of the program which developed the F-16 and he was really adamant in integrating his energy principles and making a strict dogfighting machine. Man was kinda annoyed with the fact that the Pentagon wanted a multi role cuz to the Air superiority F 15.

Idk why anyone would think an aircraft with a very successful operational history is inferior to an aircraft which isn't confident of the avionics of its manufacturing country.

MiddleDimension:
Can the war game between the Indian Airforce and the US airforce in which the SU-30 performed better than the F-15 be used to judge how a real war would go down between the two fighters?

GreenandGold:
Interesting coverage from VisualPolitik


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv4zLvSOD_g

davefurn:

All these biased sources, what is us forces now doing in chad, Niger especially spying on Nigeria with their drones bases there. Djibouti nko, because Wagner dislodged France from Mali; the whole west are in uproar. Like it's not the same game they are playing. Now forming righteous on-top their acts. Same tactic they played when Africa was borrowing from China as if they haven't been playing the same game

davefurn:

All these biased sources, what is us forces now doing in chad, Niger especially spying on Nigeria with their drones bases there. Djibouti nko, because Wagner dislodged France from Mali; the whole west are in uproar. Like it's not the same game they are playing. Now forming righteous on-top their acts. Same tactic they played when Africa was borrowing from China as if they haven't been playing the same game

Faithful007:
A29 Storage area constructed by the The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) North Atlantic Division, is pictured here at Kainji AFB Nigeria.

The project cost of 38 million U.S Dollars was provided by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE).