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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by chinese8107: 5:08pm On Oct 05, 2016
africaken254:
one was designed using a mainframe operating with DOS and the other was designed using a super computer operating with linux
the latest
J10 uses more composite material and gilt canopy to reduce RCS

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ActivateKruger: 5:11pm On Oct 05, 2016
africaken254:
botswana defence forces

Place wheeled vehicles on carrier trucks, then make the tracked ones drive on the concrete running track. Some logic right there cheesy

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:24pm On Oct 05, 2016
Much larger photo of NNS Unit's bridge

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:25pm On Oct 05, 2016
ActivateKruger:


Place wheeled vehicles on carrier trucks, then make the tracked ones drive on the concrete running track. Some logic right there cheesy

Lmao!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 5:56pm On Oct 05, 2016
chinese8107:

the latest
J10 uses more composite material and gilt canopy to reduce RCS
Gilt canopy ??...or gold with the use of indium tin-oxide

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:57pm On Oct 05, 2016
sudan has chemical weapons and has used them in Darfur

Children bear brunt of alleged chemical weapon attacks in Sudan, says Amnesty

Sudanese government forces have used chemical weapons repeatedly against civilians, including babies and young children, in one of the most remote regions of Darfur over the past eight months, according to allegations documented by Amnesty International.

The alleged chemical attacks, believed to have killed up to 250 people, mostly children, represent a “new low” in the catalogue of serious abuses perpetrated by government forces in the region, said the human rights group.

The most recent of the alleged offensives recorded by the investigation occurred on 9 September. The attacks are ongoing, said Amnesty.


'We just want to live' – on the road with South Sudan's refugees
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Using satellite images, more than 200 in-depth interviews by phone or internet, and expert analysis of dozens of distressing images showing babies and children with flayed and bloody skin, the investigation claims that at least 30 chemical attacks have taken place in the Jebel Marra area of Darfur since January 2016.

Amnesty denounced what it called indiscriminate attacks on civilians by government troops as a war crime.

A spokesman for the Sudanese government denied any chemical weapon attacks had taken place. Dr Khalid al-Mubarak, the media attache at the Sudan embassy in London, said that fighting in the Jebel Marra district was the result of government troops trying to attack forces loyal to Abdul Wahid al-Nour, leader of the Sudan Liberation Movement.

“There were no chemical attacks,” said al-Mubarak. “Jebel Marra was the only spot in which there was any trouble. Now the government has full control. There is now a civilian police station and the administration in Darfur is returning to Jebel Marra.

“Amnesty International has this information second hand. They have talked to people selectively.”

Asked about allegations that up to 250 people have died as a result of the attacks, he said: “Have they counted them? They have not. No chemical attacks happened.”

But Tirana Hassan, Amnesty International’s director of crisis research, said: “The scale and brutality of these attacks is hard to put into words. The images and videos we have seen in the course of our research are truly shocking; in one, a young child is screaming with pain before dying. Many photos show young children covered in lesions and blisters. Some were unable to breathe and [were] vomiting blood.

“It is hard to exaggerate just how cruel the effects of these chemicals are when they come into contact with the human body. Chemical weapons have been banned for decades in recognition of the fact that the level of suffering they cause can never be justified. That Sudan’s government is now repeatedly using them against their own people simply cannot be ignored and demands action.”

The report alleged that hundreds of survivors suffered symptoms including severe gastrointestinal conditions, bloody vomiting and diarrhoea, blistering and rashes on skin that was later lost, eye problems – including a complete loss of vision – and respiratory problems, reportedly the most common cause of death.
read more https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/sep/29/sudan-children-babies-alleged-chemical-weapon-attacks-amnesty?CMP=share_btn_fb
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by chinese8107: 6:20pm On Oct 05, 2016
tdayof:

Gilt canopy ??...or gold with the use of indium tin-oxide
correct grin
ITO shocked
you are too professional cool

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 6:24pm On Oct 05, 2016
chinese8107:

correct grin
ITO shocked
you are too professional cool

Lol. I know much about stealth technology. grin grin


Off topic:
Do you know names of companies that provide and develop ground control systems in China?

Sorry Henry.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by chinese8107: 6:32pm On Oct 05, 2016
tdayof:





Off topic:
Do you know names of companies that provide and develop ground control systems in China?


untold subcontractor mostly covered by big contractor

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 6:54pm On Oct 05, 2016
chinese8107:


untold subcontractor mostly covered by big contractor
Thanks.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:12pm On Oct 05, 2016
off topic
HSV-2 Swift recovery images show extent of damage to UAE operated vessel from claimed Yemen Houthi attack using anti-ship missile

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:26pm On Oct 05, 2016
africaken254:
sudan has chemical weapons and has used them in Darfur



read more https://www.theguardian.com/global-develCMP=share_btn_fb

This is unfortunate. I wonder how the AU would respond.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:33pm On Oct 05, 2016
Henry240:


This is unfortunate. I wonder how the AU would respond.
when has AU responded to anything ! AU is simply useless
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:20pm On Oct 05, 2016
frumentius:


It brought home yet again how expensively the Yanks fight their wars. In the first episode, the 8-man patrol up in the mountains comes under Tali fire. They are out-ranged by PKMs, and no-one thought to carry the Patmor. So they take cover, get on the net and wait for 15 minutes for ordnance to be dropped on the Tali position!

In the 2nd ep, when the base comes under fire, aerial assets -presumably UAVs - can pinpoint the enemy positions, but I didn't see a single mortar launched: MATV-carried TOWs instead. (By the way, Oshkosh can't have been pleased how the MATV performed against the IED).

The joys of being a superpower!



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"The joys of being a superpower", but can they fight like that against a credible enemy with a credible air defence and electronic warfare capability?

I don't think the US "know how to fight", yes, the world brush poor little countries and make multiple H.D. However when pitted against a somewhat credible foe, balances rapidly change. I mean, take Serbia as an example 78 days of non-stop US/NATO airstrikes, 1000+ aircraft and 38,000+ air sorties and all that to achieve what?

10 or so Serbian aircraft destroyed (most on the ground), 20+ APC and tanks destroyed and 1000+ Serbian soldiers dead or wounded. That is out of a force of 130’000+ Serbian soldiers, 80+ aircraft, 1,400 artillery pieces, 1’270 tanks and 825 APCs (all figures according to Wikipedia). The 3rd Serbian Army Corps basically came out unharmed from this massive bombing campaign which will go down in history as arguably the worst defeat of airpower in history!


When you transfer that sort of training to Africa, you'll see why African troops trained solely by the US never does well in battle.


I also noticed with the MATV, they sell a lot of units, those vehicles are expensive and battle after battle those vehicles always seem to perform badly. Look at Saudi MATVs in Yemen.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:22pm On Oct 05, 2016
Nigerian Special Forces

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 2:21am On Oct 06, 2016
Henry240:


OFF-TOPIC



"The joys of being a superpower", but can they fight like that against a credible enemy with a credible air defence and electronic warfare capability?

I don't think the US "know how to fight", yes, the world brush poor little countries and make multiple H.D. However when pitted against a somewhat credible foe, balances rapidly change. I mean, take Serbia as an example 78 days of non-stop US/NATO airstrikes, 1000+ aircraft and 38,000+ air sorties and all that to achieve what?

10 or so Serbian aircraft destroyed (most on the ground), 20+ APC and tanks destroyed and 1000+ Serbian soldiers dead or wounded. That is out of a force of 130’000+ Serbian soldiers, 80+ aircraft, 1,400 artillery pieces, 1’270 tanks and 825 APCs (all figures according to Wikipedia). The 3rd Serbian Army Corps basically came out unharmed from this massive bombing campaign which will go down in history as arguably the worst defeat of airpower in history!


When you transfer that sort of training to Africa, you'll see why African troops trained solely by the US never does well in battle.


I also noticed with the MATV, they sell a lot of units, those vehicles are expensive and battle after battle those vehicles always seem to perform badly. Look at Saudi MATVs in Yemen.

That's because it was a largely strategic and not tactical iperation, they still got:
121 aircraft
93-120 tanks
150-220 APCs
339 other vehicles
389-450 field guns

As for American training, they have proven that their long term "Army Building" operations work while they maintain oversight (S. Korea, ARVN, JDF etc) problem is that they dont accoubt for the fact that small nations cannot operate formations like the US do.

As for small unit training, they have been extremely successful in Colombia and Kenya.

Other nations are better, IMO the British and French are better because of their long colonial experience, but the Americans can work.

Another consideration is that the only unit that is "trained to train" are their Green Berets and Delta.

For US training to work you need to set up extremely long term training operations
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 2:30am On Oct 06, 2016
africaken254:
off topic

Ouch

Interesting that the ship burned completely.... That's rare in naval designs

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 2:31am On Oct 06, 2016
Henry240:
Nigerian Special Forces
US has troops in all her Embaasies. 50 marines and some army. Is that applicable to Nigeria too? I know we have defence attachee in each countries or we only have troops in specific country embaasies. If yes kindly list their names.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 2:33am On Oct 06, 2016
africaken254:
when has AU responded to anything ! AU is simply useless

For some reason Sudan's leader is respecteded by the AU (and Zuma)

I fvcking hate that asshole. Removing him, Mugabe, kagame and Mbasogo would make Africa a much better place.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 2:34am On Oct 06, 2016
Patchesagain:


Ouch

Interesting that the ship burned completely.... That's rare in naval designs

It wasn't a military full spec ship. Design and construction materials are not fully that of a military design.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jteku(m): 4:53am On Oct 06, 2016
NAF RECEIVES PATENT RIGHT CERTIFICATE FOR LOCAL PRODUCTION OF HYDRAULIC DIAPHRAGM ON MI-35P HELICOPTER

The National Office for Technology Acquisition and Promotion (NOTAP), under the Federal Ministry of Science and Technology, has awarded the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) the patent right certificate for local production of hydraulic diaphragm on the Mi-35 helicopter. The certificate, awarded by NOTAP on 29 September 2016, was presented today to the CAS, Air Mshl Sadique Abubakar by the Chief of Standards and Evaluation, AVM SS Bala-Ribah at a brief ceremony held in Abuja.

The NAF, in 2011, had gone into research and development on local production of the hydraulic diaphragm in order to address the increasing difficulties faced in procuring the items from abroad. More so, there was the need to reduce the downtime in maintaining the Mi-35P helicopter fleet because of their critical roles in the counter insurgency and counter terrorism operations in the North East. By 2012, the 3-man team, comprising Air Cdre Imafidor, MWO Moses and Sgt Bawa, recorded its initial breakthrough when it produced the first prototype. This however did not last beyond 4 flying hours after installation on the aircraft. With further research, the team was able to produce other prototypes, and eventually recorded its major breakthrough with the 5th prototype produced in 2013. This lasts more than 150 hours on the aircraft, even more than the one produced by the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM). It also has the additional advantage of dual application on both the Mi-35P and Mi-24V helicopters unlike the one produced by the OEM which only works on one helicopter type.

The certificate presentation marks a major feat in the research and development efforts by the NAF to achieve technological self-reliance. It is also a plus at this time of economic downturn by saving the nation scarce foreign exchange that otherwise would have been spent if the item were to be procured from abroad.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 5:54am On Oct 06, 2016
The NAF is improving.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:22am On Oct 06, 2016
Patchesagain:


For some reason Sudan's leader is respecteded by the AU (and Zuma)

I fvcking hate that asshole. Removing him, Mugabe, kagame and Mbasogo would make Africa a much better place.
KAGAME !!?? he is a million time better than your zuma. i can see your out of touch,with current events in Africa .
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:23am On Oct 06, 2016
Six killed in Mandera Shabaab attack, 27 rescued

Six people have been killed and 27 others rescued in Al-Shabaab attack at Bulla public works in Mandera, Governor Ali Roba has confirmed.

The attack occurred at 2:45am.

"Out of 33 non locals residing in one plot, six were shot dead and 27 rescued by our security officers manning the sector," Mr Roba said.

In an interview with the Nation, Mr Roba added: Six lives are too many to lose. We condemn the attack which comes at a time when locals had started enjoying peace."

There was an explosion as police attempted to get into the house to retrieve the bodies, ripping off one of the roof tops.

There were no injuries from the explosion.

Police said landmines planted in compound were delaying their attempts to retrieve bodies of the dead. Bomb experts were expected to detonate the explosives.

Mandera County Commissioner Frederick Shisia say they are working on switching off communication networks to allow police enter the building as they fear more explosives are in the house.

Since Garissa University College attack on April 2, 2015 that claimed 148 lives, mostly students at the institution, the country has experienced a lull in attacks.

Attacks in border areas have been blamed on a porous border where assailants easily cross over to commit atrocities and slip back to the lawless Somalia.
read more http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Six-killed-in-Mandera-Shabaab-attack/1056-3406666-id7ugd/
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 8:19am On Oct 06, 2016
africaken254:
KAGAME !!?? he is a million time better than your zuma. i can see your out of touch,with current events in Africa .

1. He is a pseudo-dictator
2. He is funding genocidal militants who are destabilising the DRC
3. He has sent his goons across Africa and the world to assasinate and intimidate opponents.
4. His regime is extremely authoritarian, has a long record of detentions, abuses etc of citizens.

Zuma is allot of things, I am counting down the days until his term ends, but in the end of the day he has a strong human rights record (mainly because he is too incompetent to do otherwise) and is not destabilizing the region.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 8:59am On Oct 06, 2016
africaken254:
KAGAME !!?? he is a million time better than your zuma. i can see your out of touch,with current events in Africa .
Not necessarily.


Remember when he threatened Kikwete at height of the M23 in the DRC? grin grin grin

He even threatened a Twitter user. grin grin grin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:56am On Oct 06, 2016
Patchesagain:


That's because it was a largely strategic and not tactical iperation, they still got:
121 aircraft
93-120 tanks
150-220 APCs
339 other vehicles
389-450 field guns

As for American training, they have proven that their long term "Army Building" operations work while they maintain oversight (S. Korea, ARVN, JDF etc) problem is that they dont accoubt for the fact that small nations cannot operate formations like the US do.

As for small unit training, they have been extremely successful in Colombia and Kenya.

Other nations are better, IMO the British and French are better because of their long colonial experience, but the Americans can work.

Another consideration is that the only unit that is "trained to train" are their Green Berets and Delta.

For US training to work you need to set up extremely long term training operations

That's the thing from Kosovo, all those numbers are disputed. However i was specifically referring to the 78 days offensive. The results from that air campaign was abysmal. It calls into question how the US fights, against a worthy opponent, the concept of air superiority falls flat on it's face.


The Americans can build a long term modern armies, but can those armies fight. I agree that the JSDF did not exist after WWII, however Pre-World War II Japan was a world power, so the potential was always there. Can the South-Koreans fight? They have 30kl americans as insurance. The Iraqis sure can't, Philippines.. NO. I think because they cannot apply the concept of air superiority which is the focal point of American combat, i fail to see how those nations would be successful. The Colombians have always being good fighters. It is hard to Judge Kenya, the Mall fiasco was quite embarrassing.

In my Opinion, the West does not provide the sort of training that guarantees security in Africa.





Nigerian navy NNS Unity in Sri-Lanka

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:45am On Oct 06, 2016
Patchesagain:


1. He is a pseudo-dictator
2. He is funding genocidal militants who are destabilising the DRC
3. He has sent his goons across Africa and the world to assasinate and intimidate opponents.
4. His regime is extremely authoritarian, has a long record of detentions, abuses etc of citizens.

Zuma is allot of things, I am counting down the days until his term ends, but in the end of the day he has a strong human rights record (mainly because he is too incompetent to do otherwise) and is not destabilizing the region.
nonsense,your just threaten by his progress.he has done more for africa than SA.When you were fleeing CAR ,his troop were moving to stop a genocide. rwanda economy for more than a decade has being growing by more than 6%.kigali is the most safest city in africa compared to the mass anarchy that we continue witness in south Africa.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:07am On Oct 06, 2016
kenya paratrooper

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 11:43am On Oct 06, 2016
Henry240:


That's the thing from Kosovo, all those numbers are disputed. However i was specifically referring to the 78 days offensive. The results from that air campaign was abysmal. It calls into question how the US fights, against a worthy opponent, the concept of air superiority falls flat on it's face.


The Americans can build a long term modern armies, but can those armies fight. I agree that the JSDF did not exist after WWII, however Pre-World War II Japan was a world power, so the potential was always there. Can the South-Koreans fight? They have 30kl americans as insurance. The Iraqis sure can't, Philippines.. NO. I think because they cannot apply the concept of air superiority which is the focal point of American combat, i fail to see how those nations would be successful. The Colombians have always being good fighters. It is hard to Judge Kenya, the Mall fiasco was quite embarrassing.

In my Opinion, the West does not provide the sort of training that guarantees security in Africa.





Nigerian navy NNS Unity in Sri-Lanka

Well, the Air campaign did allow the Americans to meet their ground objectives in the region. And it would be silly to question their air effectiveness when you look at what they did in Iraq.

The American force in Korea is a "trip-wire" formation, its there so that in the event of Northern aggression the Americans can go to war immediately, circumventing congressional approval and other diplomatic formalities. A short-cut if you will. As for the Koreans, yes then can very definitely fight - if you are interested you should look up their exploits in Vietnam, they were probably the most effective forces in the region, probably on par with the Aussies.

Phillipeans is a sh1tshow of a country, I have been there, its more of a reflection of their own incompetance rather than that of the Americans. As for the Columbians, they have been fighting FARC for 50 years, they only turned the tide once uncle sam weighed in with training and support.

Kenyans, well the Mall was a disaster, but I think such situations would be a disaster for anyone. Even if such an attack happened in America, you would see a simular death toll. On the other hand, look at their effectiveness in Somalia, some minor set-backs but between them and the Ugandans the tide of the war has definitly turned.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 11:46am On Oct 06, 2016
africaken254:
nonsense,your just threaten by his progress.he has done more for africa than SA.When you were fleeing CAR ,his troop were moving to stop a genocide. rwanda economy for more than a decade has being growing by more than 6%.kigali is the most safest city in africa compared to the mass anarchy that we continue witness in south Africa.

If by "done more for Africa than SA" you mean "destabilize the entirety of the Eastern DRC and assasinate opposition across Africa" then yes, you are correct.

Mass anarchy? Buddy, thats not within the ambit of this conversation.

As for "threatened by his progress". If a short man who grows quickly does not threaten a giant.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:34pm On Oct 06, 2016
Patchesagain:


If by "done more for Africa than SA" you mean "destabilize the entirety of the Eastern DRC and assasinate opposition across Africa" then yes, you are correct.

Mass anarchy? Buddy, thats not within the ambit of this conversation.

As for "threatened by his progress". If a short man who grows quickly does not threaten a giant.
which giant that can only achieve a 0.1 % growth , where is M23 Today !,you can't even deal with ragtag mai mai and Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) with machetes(while you claim your in DRC,for your own interest).how many candidate vying for seats in SA have being assassinated this year !
a small country can invade a big country like DRC(for its own interest) ,while SA can't deal with ragtag rebels in CAR !!??

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