GreenandGold:


It's a specialized unit... It doesn't do street policing. As you may have read, they intercepted 2 vehicles with gangs armed with automatic rifles, pistols and explosives.... These gangs are often ex guerilla fighters who have paramilitary training in either Zambia or Tanzania by Soviets instructors.

They're one of the bests units in the world because they execute their tasks with exceptional excellence. They killed 8 guys on a high speed chase and managed to walk home without a lost. If that's not excellency then I have no time to waste on your posts.

NB: The tittle "One of the Best Police Unit in the World" was not even something that came up with a South African, international documentaries by Western foreigners did.

are gangsters in SA in their 50s? Cos that's the minimum they would be if they fought in the border war in there early adult life......
The most common thing I know in most countries is that thugs/bank robbers esp the ones who execute the robberies are usually young and very agile and most likely not formally trained..... If they were then they wouldn't be called robbers or thugs, the political implications of only a specific type of thugs (ex guerilla trained from specific countries) conducting high profile heists would have been too big. Local law enforcement and politicians would have probably have a name for them, there would have been a whole propaganda campagn on the 'foreign trained' thugs who are stealing hard earned cash and causing mayhem to citizens..

Fidha254:
are gangster in SA in their 50s? Cos that's the minimum they would be if they fought in the border war in there early adult life......
The most common thing I know in most countries is that thugs/bank robbers esp the ones who execute the robberies are usually young and very agile and most likely not formally trained..... If they were then they wouldn't be called robbers or thugs, the political implications of only a specific type of thugs (ex guerilla trained from specific countries) conducting high profile heists would have been too big. Local law enforcement and politicians would have probably have a name for them, there would have been a whole propaganda campagn on the 'foreign trained' thugs who are stealing hard earned cash and causing mayhem to citizens..

The last batch of MK or SADF or homeland troops were from 1994,

18 in 1994 is only 39 years old. Sadly lots of young men from both sides got left out of the rainbow nation... not much use for gunmen after a "peaceful" revolution, so they turn to crime.

Usually high-end, high-risk, sophisticated crime like cash-in-transit heists, bank robberies or ATM bombings

Henry240:


That's a Tavor bro! My favourite carbine. Welcome to the club. The Tavor-21 is Africa's most widely used carbine.


That is either a CTAR-21 or an X-95. The list of countries carrying this iconic carbine has grown some more, as well as the GSU-Recce here are the others who extensively use the Tavor.

Nigeria

DSS (Nigerian secret police) - the Tavor-21 replaced the Uzi as the DSS primary Carbine in 2005.

Navy SBS - entered service in 2011

Nigerian Air Force Regiment - entered service in 2013

elements of Nigerian Army Airborne troops - 2015.

Nigerian immigration service - the Tavor-21 joined the immigration service in 2015.


Senegal

Senegalese Army Commandos

Tchad

Elements of Chad Special Anti-Terrorism Task Force.

Cameroun

Battalion d'Intervention Rapide (BIR)

Uganda

Elements of Ugandan Army Special Forces

Ethiopia

Ethiopian Presidential guards

Kenya

Elements of Kenyan elite GSU-Recces.

You forgot Angola.

patches689:


The last batch of MK or SADF or homeland troops were from 1994,

18 in 1994 is only 39 years old. Sadly lots of young men from both sides got left out of the rainbow nation... not much use for gunmen after a "peaceful" revolution, so they turn to crime.

Usually high-end, high-risk, sophisticated crime like cash-in-transit heists, bank robberies or ATM bombings

Some liberation fighters where actually under 18.

Fidha254:
When did GSU-recce get p-90s (that's a p-90 right? Its not clear enough on my phone)

When Kenya president made an unannounced visit to the site of a collapsed building with rescuers trying to un-trap survivors

That's a tavor x-95

Fidha254:
are gangsters in SA in their 50s? Cos that's the minimum they would be if they fought in the border war in there early adult life......
The most common thing I know in most countries is that thugs/bank robbers esp the ones who execute the robberies are usually young and very agile and most likely not formally trained..... If they were then they wouldn't be called robbers or thugs, the political implications of only a specific type of thugs (ex guerilla trained from specific countries) conducting high profile heists would have been too big. Local law enforcement and politicians would have probably have a name for them, there would have been a whole propaganda campagn on the 'foreign trained' thugs who are stealing hard earned cash and causing mayhem to citizens..

Some are ex police who lost their jobs in some way then turn to crime.... The fact that an R5 rifle is the mist of weapons found tells you plenty.

In most of the times, the young criminals would have an older veteran who gives them some kind of training... Cash-in-transits heists are so dangerous you'll need very specialised training to undertake one.

GreenandGold:


Some are ex police who lost their jobs in some way then turn to crime.... The fact that an R5 rifle is the mist of weapons found tells you plenty.

In most of the times, the young criminals would have an older veteran who gives them some kind of training... Cash-in-transits heists are so dangerous you'll need very specialised training to undertake one.

Let's not forget ex-military from mainly Zimbabwe and Mozambique who join up with locals, of course. Interestingly, a friend of mine is writing his master's on cash-in-transit heists and has interviewed serving Zim soldiers in prison who hire themselves out as shooters to supplement their meagre salaries.
It is a very sophisticated enterprise which has spawned its own economic ecosystem, organised almost along insurgent philosophies with a high degree of compartmentalisation. Rented shooters, rented firearms, separate "cells" supplying target intel, cells for safe houses, explosives from the mines, vehicles etc.
Hell, the more sophisticated syndicates even use signal jammers.

jteku:
Who is this guy

This is not a game of who the fvck am i !!!!

The cockpit is an aw109 bought by the Philippines....its a civilian version of the A109luh.

Nigeria and South Africa fly the a109luh which is the military equivalent!!

ssaengine:
They just never learn. When you see or even sense special task force in the air....put your guns down

Too true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM-h1LZWOA

Pics from the scene: graphic and I'll take them down if anyone objects.

[Edited: pics down as per request].

frumentius:


Too true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM-h1LZWOA

Pics from the scene: graphic and I'll take them down if anyone objects.

Dem headshots

Goddamn

So after watching the Seige of Jadtoville

Is the story of South African exploits in CAR not so unbelievable?

giles14:
please were did u now keep Algeria and Tunisia.

the south African maybe one of the best in subsaharan Africa but definitely not the best in Africa.

Never lost a single hostage in its 40+ year existance.....Taakies have a 100% hostage rescue rate....name me just one other unit in the world that can say the same.

patches689:
So after watching the Seige of Jadtoville

Is the story of South African exploits in CAR not so unbelievable?

Difference is we didn't surrender.

frumentius:

Too true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM-h1LZWOA
Pics from the scene: graphic and I'll take them down if anyone objects.

F#cking sh*t.. Bullseye

MikeCZA:
You forgot Angola.

I've now added Angola.

jln115:

Never lost a single hostage in its 40+ year existance.....Taakies have a 100% hostage rescue rate....name me just one other unit in the world that can say the same.

Not to mention they did around 52 hostage rescues every year.. That's overages to 500+ hostages rescued in 10 years and still not loose any...

SWAT should come take a schooling lesson.

frumentius:

Too true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM-h1LZWOA
Pics from the scene: graphic and I'll take them down if anyone objects.

Oga, these photos are too graphic. Please take them down.

patches689:
So after watching the Seige of Jadtoville

Is the story of South African exploits in CAR not so unbelievable?

What exploits?

Please don't start another distraction in this thread.

frumentius:


Let's not forget ex-military from mainly Zimbabwe and Mozambique who join up with locals, of course. Interestingly, a friend of mine is writing his master's on cash-in-transit heists and has interviewed serving Zim soldiers in prison who hire themselves out as shooters to supplement their meagre salaries.
It is a very sophisticated enterprise which has spawned its own economic ecosystem, organised almost along insurgent philosophies with a high degree of compartmentalisation. Rented shooters, rented firearms, separate "cells" supplying target intel, cells for safe houses, explosives from the mines, vehicles etc.
Hell, the more sophisticated syndicates even use signal jammers.

I wanted to add the Zimbabweans but dedicated to be mild in my statement.


I personally know stories of Zimbabweans ex-military using multichannel Chinese frequency jammers in South African heists... At some point the Hawks had to intervene with intelligence to try to allocate the supplier(s).

patches689:
So after watching the Seige of Jadtoville

Is the story of South African exploits in CAR not so unbelievable?

I was thinking exactly the same thing! If SANDF PR & Communications were any good, the after-action reports would've transpired in "Battle of Bangui" at a bookshop and cinema near you!
Then again, the one lousy experience with media embeds (Lesotho) and someone decided never again. Never mind that one of the recommendations was that in principle it was a good thing, but lack of proper prep meant abysmal implementation. Since then, the US, UK, France etc all provide embed templates which we've studied and not followed-through.

Henry240:


Oga, these photos are too graphic. Please take them down.

Done.

patches689:


Dem headshots

Goddamn

A week before, the same Takkies unit took down similar gang down the coast in Port Shepstone. One line from the official report: "after the suspects vehicle came to a standstill, they found all 5 suspects deceased."

Ah, the understatement of quiet professionals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzXfuRY16WM

This is very big... Do you think it's an R1/R2 bullet?

Henry240:


What exploits?

Please don't start another distraction in this thread.

You know what exploits.

Please dont obfuscate this thread

frumentius:


I was thinking exactly the same thing! If SANDF PR & Communications were any good, the after-action reports would've transpired in "Battle of Bangui" at a bookshop and cinema near you!
Then again, the one lousy experience with media embeds (Lesotho) and someone decided never again. Never mind that one of the recommendations was that in principle it was a good thing, but lack of proper prep meant abysmal implementation. Since then, the US, UK, France etc all provide embed templates which we've studied and not followed-through.

Ja, nothing for years... then suddenly Carte Blanche is on the frontline in DRC!!

Wtf guys, wtf.

GreenandGold:
This is very big... Do you think it's an R1/R2 bullet?

Mate, please remove this photo as I've already acceded to a take-down request -as promised - on account of its graphic nature.

frumentius:


Mate, please remove this photo as I've already acceded to a take-down request -as promised - on account of its graphic nature.

I was to remove it, but it seems like I'll never know what bullet it was that killed him.

patches689:


Ja, nothing for years... then suddenly Carte Blanche is on the frontline in DRC!!

Wtf guys, wtf.

The Carte Blanche thing came about because an enlightened commander - Gen Mgwebi, the "fighting general" - approved it in his position as MONUSCO Force Commander. Prior to that, as CJOPS he approved the trips and reports on CAR and FIB ops in DRC by the Sunday Times team of Hofstatter and Oatway. And because retirement age beckons, to this lowly planner he remains the best CSANDF we never had, thanks to politics.

I'm curious: have we ever had a qualified SF operator rise so high up the ranks?

@chkil: I know you already have a production line up in Khenchela churning out NIMR Hafeet class vehicles.
Any truth to the rumour Algerian SF are to adopt the NIMR Ajban SOV?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfExl_5_0vk

Specs: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ajban-special-operations-vehicle-sov/

frumentius:


The Carte Blanche thing came about because an enlightened commander - Gen Mgwebi, the "fighting general" - approved it in his position as MONUSCO Force Commander. Prior to that, as CJOPS he approved the trips and reports on CAR and FIB ops in DRC by the Sunday Times team of Hofstatter and Oatway. And because retirement age beckons, to this lowly planner he remains the best CSANDF we never had, thanks to politics.

I'm curious: have we ever had a qualified SF operator rise so high up the ranks?

Remember the first CJOPS? He's not the best?

There are a couple at the rank of Major General though.

frumentius:


Mate, please remove this photo as I've already acceded to a take-down request -as promised - on account of its graphic nature.

COME ON! I didn't get to see the pictures.

MikeCZA:
COME ON! I didn't get to see the pictures.

2 dead dudes, both shot on the head. Because of the wounds I'll assume 1 dude was shot with an MP5 then the other one with an armour piercing round from an R1. He's f#cked I tell you.