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Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 12:29pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
Romans 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 12:48pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Amen! Amen! 1 Corinthians 9:27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. It was St Paul who said so, not Italo. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 12:50pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Amen! Amen! It was prophet Ezekiel that said so, not Italo. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 12:51pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Amen! Amen! Jeremiah says so, not Italo. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 12:52pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Amen! Amen! Ezra says so, not Italo. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 12:53pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Amen! Amen! 2 Samuel says so, not Italo. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 1:01pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Try something else. David in sign of repentance was asking God to spare the child of his extra affairs and that prayer was not answered by God. God never instructed him or by extension any Christian to pray laying on the floor or using sharp objects on ourselves By the way, Mortification isn't a praying method. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 1:04pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Ezra was mourning, again God didn't instruct him to use spikes on himself or do mortification. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 1:07pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: They were morning and not using mortification to attain spiritual benefit |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 1:09pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Again you lied, this has nothing to do with spiritual subdue or subdue of the flesh. You are good at quoting scriptures without relevance to the subject matter. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 1:19pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Another lie, subdue in that sentence was used figuratively and unless for someone who intentionally wish to lack understanding, that verse as nothing to do with mortification. I why don't you take 'run', 'striveth', 'beath' literal?. 1 cor 9 vs 24-26 24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 1:36pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
superior1: italo: Amen! Amen! Argue with the Holy Spirit, not me. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 1:37pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Amen! Amen! superior1: Argue with the prophet. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 1:38pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
italo: Amen! Amen! superior1: Argue with Jeremiah. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 1:40pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
superior1: italo: Amen! Amen! Argue with Ezekiel. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by babestell(f): 1:44pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
"Mortification of the flesh is the institutional expiatory act of a person or group's penance for atonement of sins and path to sanctity. The term is primarily used in religious and spiritual contexts. The practice is found in many cultures, most notably the Roman Catholic Church and their penitential saints. Common forms of mortification includes flagellation, in imitation of Jesus Christ's suffering and death by crucifixion. Other forms are fasting, carrying heavy loads and immersion in water which are found in some Asian cultures" "One of the methods which Christian asceticism employs in training the soul to virtuous and holy living. The term originated with St. Paul, who traces an instructive analogy between Christ dying to a mortal and rising to animmortal life, and His followers who renounce their past life of sin and rise through grace to a new life of holiness. "If you live after the flesh", says the apostle, "you shall die, but if through the spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live" (Romans 8:13; cf. also Colossians 3:5, and Galatians 5:24). From this original use of the term, we see that mortification, though under one aspect it is a law of death, under another and more fundamental aspect it is a law of life, and does not destroy but elevates nature. What it slays is the disease of the soul, and byslaying this it restores and invigorates the soul's true life." "In its simplest form, mortification of the flesh can mean merely denying oneself certain pleasures, such as permanently or temporarily abstaining from alcoholic beverages, sexual relations, or any area of life that makes the person's spiritual life more difficult or burdensome. It can also be practiced by choosing a simple or even impoverished lifestyle; this is often one reason many monks of various religions take vows of poverty." |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by Nobody: 2:41pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
What is your problem with Catholic? @op |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by daontop: 7:58pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
From the english children dictionary, Mortification simply means discipline oneself (body, mind, appetite etc), by supressing bad desires or act... while Penance is a VOLUNTARY self-impound punishment for a sinful act of wrong doin... @OP smtyms i 1da if its ur hatred 4 d catholic church dat clouds ur reasonin or u fail 2carry out research b4 gettin 2a logical conclusion...***no offence intended***... It beta u channel ur tym nd efforts on beta tins dan wot u ve bin doin... Peace b wit thou.. 1 Like |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by SalC: 8:07pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
Superior1 just can't help it. Trying hard to prove what you don't understand? @italo You said it well, he should go and argue with the Holy Spirit. St Paul, Prophet Jeremiah and co. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by babestell(f): 9:26pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
But really in this age and time when people have become very selfish and self gratification is the order of the day, there is need for a little mortification to bring you back to your senses. Self imposed suffering is an avenue for you to learn to appreciate what you have. How much more when you do it because you desire to be closer to God. A common form is fasting. But you can desire to mortify in other means eg walking Instead of taking the bus. 1 Like |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 9:58pm On Aug 17, 2013 |
babestell: But really in this age and time when people have become very selfish and self gratification is the order of the day, there is need for a little mortification to bring you back to your senses. Self imposed suffering is an avenue for you to learn to appreciate what you have. How much more when you do it because you desire to be closer to God. A common form is fasting. But you can desire to mortify in other means eg walking Instead of taking the bus. Galatians 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by daontop: 1:49am On Aug 18, 2013 |
babestell: But really in this age and time when people have become very selfish and self gratification is the order of the day, there is need for a little mortification to bring you back to your senses. Self imposed suffering is an avenue for you to learn to appreciate what you have. How much more when you do it because you desire to be closer to God. A common form is fasting. But you can desire to mortify in other means eg walking Instead of taking the bus. My nephew in pry 1 read dis beautiful.write up nd understood it immediately, hw much more an adult wit hairs scatterd over his chest nd armpit |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by daontop: 1:51am On Aug 18, 2013 |
superior1: Stil defendn wot is obvious?? **Shit on d thread nd leave thru d backdoor** |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 8:22am On Aug 18, 2013 |
Abi should I post another verse that shows that penance and mortification are scriptural? Another verse superior never knew existed? I only stopped to save him the obvious embarassment. He's still a human being afterall. Na animals dem they treat without dignity. But when human beings begin behave like animals........ |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 8:42am On Aug 18, 2013 |
italo: Abi should I post another verse that shows that penance and mortification are scriptural? Keep fooling yourself and in your frustration revert to gutter talk (BTW,you don't have monopoly on that) Post any scriptural verse that commands Christians to flog themselves so as to remain spiritual and try not to lie doing that. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 9:03am On Aug 18, 2013 |
You think I will glorify you by arguing with you? Argue with the Holy Spirit. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by Ubenedictus(m): 8:36pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
superior1:those aren't doctrines they are practices. Mortification is preached but the method you use is your own personal practice. Mortify ur flesh as is compartible with ur state of life. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by superior1: 9:28pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: those aren't doctrines they are practices. Mortification is preached but the method you use is your own personal practice. Mortify ur flesh as is compartible with ur state of life. You mean giving yourself blue and black beating isn't one of the Catholic way of mortification? Should I cite an example of a Catholic saint?? |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by italo: 9:37pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
And I will cite a BIBLE verse. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by Ubenedictus(m): 10:19pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
superior1:italo already gave the passage where paul say i pomel my flesh, i beat myself. |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by Syncan(m): 10:39pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
Superior1, superior1, May all bear me witness that I taught you this prayer more than once "Lord teach me to keep my mouth shut, until I know what I am talking about" |
Re: Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance by damerry(m): 8:10am On Aug 31, 2013 |
Glory to Jesus Honour to Mary, All Thanks to God for I'm alive to read this topic thanks to our saints for practising Mortification and penance and leaving that pious act for us to emulate thanks to seun For creating this forum of which I've come to learn more and increase my faith thanks to superior1 for he could'nt help hating catholicsim and has finally indirectly resolved to evangelism of which came wisdom and faithbuilding. To be frank with thou superior1 this topic of thou aimed at casting aspersions on catholicism have thought me that I'm still a learner in the practice of mortification and penance, i really ought to Do more. Thanks to your post, I've also come to know that sister Lucy and her little lilies (of blessed memory) practiced mortification and the Most blessed Virgin Mary said heaven is pleased with that. I sincerely look forward to your next anti-catholic topic as it makes me and others better catholics. @ italo, sal c, ubenedictus, syncan and co, it behoves us to Give offerings to superior1 for threads like this. ( please email me your bank details @ superior1 ) Finally this thread had made more explicit to me, the reason why God permits Evil. For HE wouldn't permit evil if he has no intention of bringing Good out of it. We need more persecutors like superior1 for out of their sheer aspersions comes the building up of faith and understanding for the people of God. Peace @ superior1 on a second thought, this Topic ought to be your worst nightmare as things didn't turn out the way you anticipated |
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