[quote author=shdemidemi]

He couldn't have been talking as an unbeliever in this verse because unbelievers don't have the inward man

Are you saying the Holy Spirit in us is our heart? make it clearer pls.

Jesus actually said He is the bread of life. Please check your study tools to see bread isn't food in this context, I did not infer at all

Bidam: unbelievers have an unregenerated spirit man.

Bidam: I said spirit man..where did you see me mention Holy Spirit as our heart in my post?.

Preceedo: PRAISE THE LORD- do i hear halleluyah?. It has raised many hot argument whether GOD can answer all prayers or not. Infact pst E.A Adeboye had argue on dis with some biblical gurus overseas. The truth is YES- if only you walk by his principles. If u doubt dis try this seven steps and come back to testify how God would answer ur prayers without delay. The seven steps are hidden under the word- WORSHIP. OK Lets start!

1.W= worship- God loves those who worship more dan anything. The psalmist says he praises God seven times a day and the rest of his life was characterised by Divine intervention despite the challenges- saul's hatred; Absalom's coup, and other seemingly insurmountable challenges. If only you will learn how to worship God fervently, your prayer's answer would be delivered at a lightening speed. How do i WORSHIP God?. Just call him any Good name dat comes ur mind. Remember God can never be flattered. Sing him any song- ur voice does not matter.

2.O- obedience, how can God answer the prayer of a disobedient child? Obedience to his word is not an option at all. Joshua 1: 8 admonishes us to observe all the details of the word. Just show me a man who enjoys divine attention and i will show you a man dat obeys the word without subtraction. Many xtians have the habit of obeying the ones they think its "sensible" like thou shall not ateal but do not belief or obey the bible verses dat say "be ye holy even as ur heavenly father is holy". To get ur prayers answered obedience to the world is never a suggestion but a compulsory mandate.

3. R- relationships, ur relationship both with God and men has a large impact on ur prayers. Do u only go to church at festive seasons? Do you still tell white nd black lies? Do you still double-date? Do you still watch pornography? Do u still fight nd quarrel? Do u lust, masturbate nd say its self service? Do u pay ur tithe completely? Do you have many clothes while a brother keeps recycling a clothe every sunday in ur church? Do u respect ur elders nd leaders alike? Do you gossip nd backbite? Do you question ur pastor over offering's money. Do u read the bible as expected? How many times do u pray to God, if u ever do so?. Brethren learn to walk on ur relationship to njoy divine access without stress. I will continue the concluding part later after service.

HAPPY sunday to you all. Shalom!

[quote author=shdemidemi]

Saying unbelievers have unregenerated spirit means they have dead spirit.

Paul was not speaking about a dead spirit here, he was talking about a new man that can only be made available through the gospel of Christ.

ok, please explain who the spirit man is and how you came up with the conclusion that the sprit man is our heart.

Bidam: No where in scriptures is it stated that unbelieving folks have a dead spirit.Ezek 13:3, said Ezekiel, ‘thus said the Lord, woe unto the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing. This verse is an illustration of people who follow their own spirit,which means they don't have a dead spirit

Bidam: Your spirit is the real you. In the Bible, Paul uses the terms "my spirit" and "I" interchangeably.Your heart is your spirit. The words "heart" and "spirit" are used interchangeably in the Bible.

Bidam: it is what you can really find out in your study scriptures clearly

1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart [spirit] [the inward man] [the eternal man], in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

shdemidemi:

Ephesians 2
2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience

Any man without Christ is dead not physically but spiritually. In Adam we all died but in Christ we (believers of the gospel of christ)are made alive, we came to the world spiritually dead, that means a separation with God. Anyone God reconciles to Himself gets a regenerated spirit while the unbeliever remains an enemy of God with a spiritually dead Spirit. The spirit that controls an unbeliever is not the spirit of God, it is actually against the Spirit of God.

shdemidemi:

I take it that you cant't explain how the bible got to the conclusion that our spirit is our heart. Your fixation on how bible interchange the word isn't a clear explanation.

Bidam: Out of context scriptural explanation..We are talking about the spirit of a natural man here.I call it an unregenerate d spirit because it's not alive to God's spirit..Calling it a dead spirit is taking it way too far out of biblical understanding.

shdemidemi:

Notice how (even) this translation did not call it the 'spirit man', it says the inward man. I have not said you were wrong but I am saying explain because I wanted you to explain this issue with clarity. Do you know the Holy Spirit has his heart within a believer apart from our own heart?

Bidam: Ok,go and study more,then come tell me your findings, I don't like going into lengthy exegesis like Goshen360. I like dropping the points hot and direct.

shdemidemi:

But that verse says we were dead without Christ, please shed light on what it means by 'you, who were dead'. Thanks

Bidam: dead in this context means man's conscience.

shdemidemi:

Hmmmm, so when Adam fell his conscience died?

When we were unbelievers, our conscience was dead which means an unbeliever has no conscience, right?

Preceedo:
PRAISE THE LORD- do i hear halleluyah?. It has raised many hot argument whether GOD can answer all prayers or not. Infact pst E.A Adeboye had argue on dis with some biblical gurus overseas. The truth is YES- if only you walk by his principles. If u doubt dis try this seven steps and come back to testify how God would answer ur prayers without delay. The seven steps are hidden under the word- WORSHIP. OK Lets start!
1.W= worship- God loves those who worship more dan anything. The psalmist says he praises God seven times a day and the rest of his life was characterised by Divine intervention despite the challenges- saul's hatred; Absalom's coup, and other seemingly insurmountable challenges. If only you will learn how to worship God fervently, your prayer's answer would be delivered at a lightening speed. How do i WORSHIP God?. Just call him any Good name dat comes ur mind. Remember God can never be flattered. Sing him any song- ur voice does not matter.
2.O- obedience, how can God answer the prayer of a disobedient child? Obedience to his word is not an option at all. Joshua 1: 8 admonishes us to observe all the details of the word. Just show me a man who enjoys divine attention and i will show you a man dat obeys the word without subtraction. Many xtians have the habit of obeying the ones they think its "sensible" like thou shall not ateal but do not belief or obey the bible verses dat say "be ye holy even as ur heavenly father is holy". To get ur prayers answered obedience to the world is never a suggestion but a compulsory mandate.
3. R- relationships, ur relationship both with God and men has a large impact on ur prayers. Do u only go to church at festive seasons? Do you still tell white nd black lies? Do you still double-date? Do you still watch pornography? Do u still fight nd quarrel? Do u lust, masturbate nd say its self service? Do u pay ur tithe completely? Do you have many clothes while a brother keeps recycling a clothe every sunday in ur church? Do u respect ur elders nd leaders alike? Do you gossip nd backbite? Do you question ur pastor over offering's money. Do u read the bible as expected? How many times do u pray to God, if u ever do so?. Brethren learn to walk on ur relationship to njoy divine access without stress. I will continue the concluding part later after service.

Amiss

1. : not being in accordance with the right order. : faulty, imperfect.

■ who God don bless he don bless am. If God nor bless you eventhough you pray from now till tomorrow nothing will happen...that's called grace so many successful people today don't have any idea of what's written above yet they prayers seem to answered whys that??

PastorOluT:
■ Yeah all those are necessary, but its not just to answer your prayers but to be a serious Christian. Once you have a relationship with God He is bound to hear your prayers, having a relationship with Him and growing is the key thing. As you grow in your knowledge of Him you are bound to be led by the spirit, obedience and all that will also follow. As one that have a relationship with God it is His will that actually matters if God would answer prayers, once it is according to His will then He is bound to answer.

Orikinla:
■ The prayer of an unrepentant sinner is an abomination to God. God will not answer your prayer if you have an unforgiving spirit of bitterness. God will not answer your prayer if you cheated or stole and did not repent and make restitution to the person you have cheated or stolen from. God will not answer your prayer if you keep on living in denial of the truth and prefer to live in conceit and deceit. ...There are three pillars that uphold a Christian; the pillars are prayer, holiness and the word of God. You cannot be come a heaven-bound Christian if you fail in any of these three pillars. You have to study and meditate upon the word of God daily, live a holy and prayerful life. The modern day man really does not fully understand the awesomeness of the power of prayer. What is prayer? Prayer is the gateway to God’s Presence Prayer is a privilege Prayer is talking With God Prayer is a communication process that allows us to talk to God
Prayer is a love affair with God Prayer is the channel of God’s grace Prayer is talking with Almighty God, while He listens and also talks to you.
The Bible says that the effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. Perhaps you pray fervently, yet your prayers do not avail much. You are puzzled and wonder why you always obtain very little or no results from your prayers.There are ten things that limit the power and effectiveness of prayer[/size]

ministerT:
True talk every prayer alwayz hav an answer bt dere LIMITS