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Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 8:54am On Jun 09, 2008 |
Thought Provoking, what is in a name? Nigeria was named by Lugard's wife when he was on top of her; could that be why Nigeria is so messed-up? Who is Harcourt to own Port Harcourt? |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by texazzpete(m): 9:15am On Jun 09, 2008 |
clearly this Odimegwu Onwumere has no work, hence his dabbling into unnecessary debate. We Port Harcourt residents can find work for him directing traffic at Slaughter, Garrison or any where there's a traffic jam. So in his opinion, giving African children 'white man's names' is part of the reason why we're a confused people? PS: Does he know how many streets are named after Patrice Lumumba? Or the university in Russia formerly named after Lumumba? The streets in Western countries named after Nelson Mandela? 'poet' my arse. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by MyTempID: 9:20am On Jun 09, 2008 |
Lame. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by Nobody: 9:41am On Jun 09, 2008 |
It is hilarious and at the same time heart breaking and shameful that 100 years after the coming of Harcourt; grown up Nigerians like Landis and Onwumere does not know what causes violence in Rivers state. You guys should keep blaming Nigeria and River's problems on Lugard's wife for their "names". Even if Nigeria and portharcourt decide to change their name to "god" and "saint" respectively, it wont make a single digit difference in the atrocities going on in the forbidden country and city. As much as i feel sad any time i remember what the white man did in Africa, one will think it was only Africa the white man used. We forget places like Hong kong, south Korea, Malaysia etc. Africa has only failed woefully to use the coming of the white man to his advantage. As for people bearing English names; i can assure you that no true church forces any of her members to change his/her name to English. (i was baptized with a local name) Nigerians like Landis and Onwumere the poet should go and pick their pants where they hung them. You must do it now!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 9:45am On Jun 09, 2008 |
PS: Does he know how many streets are named after Patrice Lumumba? Or the university in Russia formerly named after Lumumba? The streets in Western countries named after Nelson Mandela? you missed the whole point. There is no problem naming place after successful/famous people but the naming of that town to PORT-HARCOURT was not from the people of that area; it was impose on them by some colonialist as sign of master-servant relationship. the problem of identity is sublime but it's what shape everything. For city to develop and be prosperous; the people need to identify with it. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by Nobody: 9:49am On Jun 09, 2008 |
You again!!!!!!!! |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by MyTempID: 9:50am On Jun 09, 2008 |
Landis please don't tell me you will attempt to defend an article so lame and irrelevant as this If what texazzpete wrote didn't ring a bell the first time you read it, try reading it over, three times. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 9:59am On Jun 09, 2008 |
The problem of identity is sublime but it's what shape everything. Thats why the EUROPEANS that went to America, killed all the RED-INDIANs and change everything to identify as their own history. It same reason UK will never change their identity to be French or French to German etc The worst part of colonialism or occupation; it rubs you of your identity. what Nigeria presently witnessing are just after-effects; we live in Nigeria but dont identify with Nigeria. it is similar to what we just saw in South Africa last few weeks People that live others people's life are lost. You guys need to see the Big Picture; Kudos to Onwumere. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by MyTempID: 10:07am On Jun 09, 2008 |
Dude. Now I believe you're just talking out of your buttocks. Read it again 6 times. Nigerians don't identify with Nigeria. . . . What hogwash! Where do they identify with? Pakistan? Dudey, you can do better. If it's any news to you bro., we have had many years now to reclaim our cultural identity and we are doing a good job of it. A city's name isn't the cause of Nigeria's problems. You are just delusioned. You're just attaching too much stigma to this useless article, or just plain suffering from astigmatism. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by folem: 10:30am On Jun 09, 2008 |
landis: Lagos is also a Portuguese name. Africa is European in origin. @ landis The info I have was that Flora Shaw was actually on top. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by Nobody: 10:35am On Jun 09, 2008 |
You have even made Onwumere and Landis look like they had a good point, cos Lagos and Africa seems to be in the same dilema with Portharcourt. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by Ibime(m): 10:39am On Jun 09, 2008 |
Igwe Ocha must be the name of only the Ikwerre (Igboid) side of Port-Harcourt. I do not see the Okrika part of Port-Harcourt naming themselves Igwe Ocha. From Amadi-flats up to Oil Mill is the Ikwerre part whilst Isaac Boro Park down to Borokiri is the Okrika section. As for the naming of the Port Harcourt, we have many places in Port-Harcourt named after the old colonials. From Churchill road to Harold Wilson road etc. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 11:07am On Jun 09, 2008 |
Nigerians don't identify with Nigeria. . . . What hogwash! Where do they identify with? Pakistan? if they identify with Nigeria; why steal money here and take it abroad? why send your kids to school abroad?. Note BOLD its not same as 'exchange program'; just to see whats done in other places why run away abroad when small wahala here? why obey laws abroad and same nigerians break all laws once they land in MM? why is it that degree abroad is valuable than degree from here? why is it that Nigerians kill each other at slightes provocation? why is nigeria waiting for abroad to come and solve their problems? |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by texazzpete(m): 11:55am On Jun 09, 2008 |
landis: um. . .Wyoming, Oklahoma, Missouri et al are all INDIAN NAMES!!! PS: Despite the fact that most of the present day Americans emigrated from great britain, the word 'America' is not of British origin. See any poets making noise about that? Please kindly forward my earlier offer to the 'poet'. There's a lot of work for him to do, the traffic at Rumuobiakani (did i spell it right?!) this morning was terrible. You can also join him since you're apparently lacking in work to do. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 12:22pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
texazzpete: thats exactly the point. They formed a new identity for themselves. Oklahoma was named by the indians themselves and not the EUROPEAN invaders as one of the negotation points in1865. And its faultless; Nigerians dont identify with Nigeria; if US/EU FREELY open their gates. Nigeria will be empty in 24hrs; it would be exodus! The POET has spoken. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by presido1: 12:41pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
Not only that we don't identify with ourselves we also don't believe in ourself. Harcourt will always be there to remind us of the slavery days and the servant we will remain. If a British MEP can make a suggestion for Trafalgar Square to be renamed as it infuriates the french tourist when ever they come to london i don't know why such a write up should be termed lame and stupid. Its a clear evidence that we don't identify with ourself. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by ow11(m): 12:55pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
Is this thread about the name Portharcourt or that RV state is Igboland ? because I haven't seen where the poster also suggests that Lagos be renamed since Lagos is a Portuguese name. The poster and writer should try to change Wetheral Rd to Igwe Ocha rd before coming to talk about Portharcourt |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by texazzpete(m): 1:08pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
ow11: Abi! So many other countries have moved on past colonialism. Why are we still stuck in the past? methinks this second-rate poet merely wanted some airtime, and we've given him what he wanted. Gaining fame through infamy seems to be in vogue now. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by ow11(m): 1:35pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
@Tex Exactly. I have told him the name of the thread he should have opened. Instead of investing in Aba and Owerri, they are looking for how PH can be renamed after Igbo villages. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by ASL33: 1:59pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
When does this thread turned to Igbo and RIvers issue. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 2:22pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
because I haven't seen where the poster also suggests that Lagos be renamed since Lagos is a Portuguese name you are not reading the post. Lagos is identified as EKO. Eko ile. Eko Akate. Eko Federal Thats why it has a soul. Eko o ni Ba je. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by MyTempID: 5:21pm On Jun 09, 2008 |
landis:Nigerian economy is teetering on the edge of calamity and all you can blame is the historical relevance of a name? This has nothing to do with their Nigerian identity. Do you even understand the meaning of identity? Those who have broken the law and stolen her money are just looters and criminals. They're the exact people who have turned the economy into the catastrophe that it is today. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 8:22am On Jun 10, 2008 |
Those who have broken the law and stolen her money are just looters and criminals. They're the exact people who have turned the economy into the catastrophe that it is today. You are still missing the point. Are these people from MARS? NO. If they truly identify with Nigeria, they will LOVE it and work for its progress but rather they have no identity with Nigeria. To them, it is just a place to steal money, rape, and stash the wealth in somewhere more safe. That's the key to Nigeria's problem: We dont identify with it. We only carry the name in passport or documents. It is people that make a place great and not the resource the place has. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by ow11(m): 1:20pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
Well then let us rename Nigeria or rather, split into our constituent villages because the entity Nigeria is a creation of the British colonialists! |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by ifyalways(f): 1:52pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
texazzpete:lmao @topic,what really is there in a "name" |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by romeo(m): 3:04pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
ow11: Where did you read that from? Or are you still blinded by tribalism? Your tribalism is misplaced in this issue. A simple article has turned into igbo bashing by our tribalphobic nairaland trolls. ow11: you are nothing but a dumb ass by saying that! ASL33: Abeg help me ask that dolt. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by landis(m): 3:33pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
ifyalways: Go to any one and say: I am from Afghanistan I am from Nigeria I am from Swdeen and see the reaction to each of these statement. You will know whats in name. why do you think Biafra started? simple: they do not identify anymore with Nigeria why do you think OPC started? simple: they do not identiy anymore with Nigeria why do you think AREWA started? simple: they do not identify anymore with Nigeria. |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by superman(m): 5:53pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
na wa |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by grafikdon: 6:05pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
landis: OMFG!!!! I think he has what appears to be a bomb under that flowing gown !!! landis: Oh Crap! Hold onto your credit cards like your life depends on them! landis: Ahhh. . . how are you today, my good friend? Anyone still want to know what's in a name? |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by gmcln(m): 6:23pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
My house is in Fairfax county in Virginia USA, we also have prince williams county, prince georges co, etc. all name after british prince. we all should be retarded according to you |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by texazzpete(m): 6:27pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
gmcln: In my secondary school in Benin, we had different 'houses' for Inter-house sports touneys. Usman Dan Fodio house always came last. I used to think it was because they were pretty lame there, but now the Poster is telling me that if they were named after a prominent Bini chief, they'd have been awesome. Right?! |
Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by debosky(m): 6:36pm On Jun 10, 2008 |
rubbish post by grafikdon - is the name responsible for those impressions you noted or the actions of the people associated with the name? The article by a poet shows he is clearly one - lost in idealistic musings with no real grasp or import of reality. If the name was the problem, then Ibadan, Owerri, Uyo, Yenagoa, Kaduna, Potiskum and Lokoja would be world beaters now. This is another flight of fantasy in my opinion. The 'village' or whatever named Igwe Ocha does not comprise the entire area known as Port Harcourt today, so how can any reversion to that name cause a change or benefit? India's financial capital is Mumbai (formerly Bombay) - was it the name change of a few years ago that made it into a financial capital or a place of commerce? Don't confuse petty nationalistic mumbo-jumbo for identity. The name of that place has little or nothing to do with what happens there. Rio de Janeiro is a portuguese name, so is Sao Paulo - how have those names prevented those cities from becoming world renowned centers of commerce and entertainment? AREWA and co do not detract from the name Nigeria - what would satisfy them? changing the name to oduduhausaigboijawtivia? Nigerians have the nack for finding the most ridiculous and asinine reason behind their problems. Colonial or not, Port Harcourt, in my view is a better and neutral name for that location, instead of having endless fights among the igboid Ikwerres and the Ijoid Okirikas, kalabaris and co fighting over whose name should be on the city - I remember some silly fights over whose name should be given to an oil platform, as if that is what guarantees their income and benefits. PS - The reason NEPA/PHCN isn't working is the name, name it Sango Power and we'll have electricity straight from the god of thunder himself! |
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