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| Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 6:55pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Fundamentalists are sometimes horrified when the Virgin Mary is referred to as the Mother of God. However, their reaction often rests upon a misapprehension of not only what this particular title of Mary signifies but also who Jesus was, and what their own theological forebears, the Protestant Reformers, had to say regarding this doctrine. A woman is a man’s mother either if she carried him in her womb or if she was the woman contributing half of his genetic matter or both. Mary was the mother of Jesus in both of these senses; because she not only carried Jesus in her womb but also supplied all of the genetic matter for his human body, since it was through her—not Joseph—that Jesus "was descended from David according to the flesh" (Rom. 1:3). Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the time of Christ. Although Mary is the Mother of God, she is not his mother in the sense that she is older than God or the source of her Son’s divinity, for she is neither. Rather, we say that she is the Mother of God in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God "in the flesh" (2 John 7, cf. John 1:14)—and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ. To avoid this conclusion, Fundamentalists often assert that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature. This assertion reinvents a heresy from the fifth century known as Nestorianism, which runs aground on the fact that a mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb. Rather, she carries the person of her child. Women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God. The Nestorian claim that Mary did not give birth to the unified person of Jesus Christ attempts to separate Christ’s human nature from his divine nature, creating two separate and distinctpersons—one divine and one human—united in a loose affiliation. It is therefore a Christological heresy, which even the Protestant Reformers recognized. Both Martin Luther and John Calvin insisted on Mary’s divine maternity. In fact, it even appears that Nestorius himself may not have believed the heresy named after him. Further, the "Nestorian" church has now signed a joint declaration on Christology with the Catholic Church and recognizes Mary’s divine maternity, just as other Christians do. Since denying that Mary is God’s mother implies doubt about Jesus’ divinity, it is clear why Christians (until recent times) have been unanimous in proclaiming Mary as Mother of God. The Church Fathers, of course, agreed, and the following passages witness to their lively recognition of the sacred truth and great gift of divine maternity that was bestowed upon Mary, the humble handmaid of the Lord. |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by fijiano202(m): 7:05pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Can you stupiid catholics stop referring to Mary as Mother of God,Jesus is not God,stop confusing christains with ur lack of wisdow,Jesus always refer to God as his father,mary gave birth to Jesus Christ not God,am a christain and it hurts when i see my fellow christain been manipulated or confused for nonsensical beliefs |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 7:12pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Irenaeus "The Virgin Mary, being obedient to his word, received from an angel the glad tidings that she would bear God" (Against Heresies, 5:19:1 [A.D. 189]). Hippolytus "[T]o all generations they [the prophets] have pictured forth the grandest subjects for contemplation and for action. Thus, too, they preached of the advent of God in the flesh to the world, his advent by the spotless and God-bearing (theotokos) Mary in the way of birth and growth, and the manner of his life and conversation with men, and his manifestation by baptism, and the new birth that was to be to all men, and the regeneration by the laver [of baptism]" (Discourse on the End of the World 1 [A.D. 217]). Gregory the Wonderworker "For Luke, in the inspired Gospel narratives, delivers a testimony not to Joseph only, but also to Mary, the Mother of God, and gives this account with reference to the very family and house of David" (Four Homilies 1 [A.D. 262]). "It is our duty to present to God, like sacrifices, all the festivals and hymnal celebrations; and first of all, [the feast of] the Annunciation to the holy Mother of God, to wit, the salutation made to her by the angel, ‘Hail, full of grace!’" (ibid., 2). Peter of Alexandria "They came to the church of the most blessed Mother of God, and ever-virgin Mary, which, as we began to say, he had constructed in the western quarter, in a suburb, for a cemetery of the martyrs" (The Genuine Acts of Peter of Alexandria [A.D. 305]). "We acknowledge the resurrection of the dead, of which Jesus Christ our Lord became the firstling; he bore a body not in appearance but in truth derived from Mary the Mother of God" (Letter to All Non- Egyptian Bishops 12 [A.D. 324]). Methodius "While the old man [Simeon] was thus exultant, and rejoicing with exceeding great and holy joy, that which had before been spoken of in a figure by the prophet Isaiah, the holy Mother of God now manifestly fulfilled" (Oration on Simeon and Anna 7 [A.D. 305]). "Hail to you forever, you virgin Mother of God, our unceasing joy, for unto you do I again return. . . . Hail, you fount of the Son’s love for man. . . . Wherefore, we pray you, the most excellent among women, who boast in the confidence of your maternal honors, that you would unceasingly keep us in remembrance. O holy Mother of God, remember us, I say, who make our boast in you, and who in august hymns celebrate your memory, which will ever live, and never fade away" (ibid., 14). Cyril of Jerusalem "The Father bears witness from heaven to his Son. The Holy Spirit bears witness, coming down bodily in the form of a dove. The archangel Gabriel bears witness, bringing the good tidings to Mary. The Virgin Mother of God bears witness" (Catechetical Lectures 10:19 [A.D. 350]). Ephraim the Syrian "Though still a virgin she carried a child in her womb, and the handmaid and work of his wisdom became the Mother of God" (Songs of Praise 1:20 [A.D. 351]). |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 7:14pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
Athanasius "The Word begotten of the Father from on high, inexpressibly, inexplicably, incomprehensibly, and eternally, is he that is born in time here below of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God" (The Incarnation of the Word of God 8 [A.D. 365]). Epiphanius of Salamis "Being perfect at the side of the Father and incarnate among us, not in appearance but in truth, he [the Son] reshaped man to perfection in himself from Mary the Mother of God through the Holy Spirit" (The Man Well-Anchored 75 [A.D. 374]). Ambrose of Milan "The first thing which kindles ardor in learning is the greatness of the teacher. What is greater than the Mother of God? What more glorious than she whom Glory Itself chose?" (The Virgins 2:2[7] [A.D. 377]). Gregory of Nazianz "If anyone does not agree that holy Mary is Mother of God, he is at odds with the Godhead" (Letter to Cledonius the Priest 101 [A.D. 382]). Jerome "As to how a virgin became the Mother of God, he [Rufinus] has full knowledge; as to how he himself was born, he knows nothing" (Against Rufinus 2:10 [A.D. 401]). "Do not marvel at the novelty of the thing, if a Virgin gives birth to God" (Commentaries on Isaiah 3:7:15 [A.D. 409]). Theodore of Mopsuestia "When, therefore, they ask, ‘Is Mary mother of man or Mother of God?’ we answer, ‘Both!’ The one by the very nature of what was done and the other by relation" (The Incarnation 15 [A.D. 405]). Cyril of Alexandria "I have been amazed that some are utterly in doubt as to whether or not the holy Virgin is able to be called the Mother of God. For if our Lord Jesus Christ is God, how should the holy Virgin who bore him not be the Mother of God?" (Letter to the Monks of Egypt 1 [A.D. 427]).[b][/b][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 7:19pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
John Cassian "Now, you heretic, you say (whoever you are who deny that God was born of the Virgin), that Mary, the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, cannot be called the Mother of God, but the Mother only of Christ and not of God —for no one, you say, gives birth to one older than herself. And concerning this utterly stupid argument . . . let us prove by divine testimonies both that Christ is God and that Mary is the Mother of God" (On the Incarnation of Christ Against Nestorius 2:2 [A.D. 429]). "You cannot then help admitting that the grace comes from God. It is God, then, who has given it. But it has been given by our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore the Lord Jesus Christ is God. But if he is God, as he certainly is, then she who bore God is the Mother of God" (ibid., 2:5). Council of Ephesus "We confess, then, our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, perfect God and perfect man, of a rational soul and a body, begotten before all ages from the Father in his Godhead, the same in the last days, for us and for our salvation, born of Mary the Virgin according to his humanity, one and the same consubstantial with the Father in Godhead and consubstantial with us in humanity, for a union of two natures took place. Therefore we confess one Christ, one Son, one Lord. According to this understanding of the unconfused union, we confess the holy Virgin to be the Mother of God because God the Word took flesh and became man and from his very conception united to himself the temple he took from her" (Formula of Union [A.D. 431]). Vincent of Lerins "Nestorius, whose disease is of an opposite kind, while pretending that he holds two distinct substances in Christ, brings in of a sudden two persons, and with unheard-of wickedness would have two sons of God, two Christs,—one, God, the other, man; one, begotten of his Father, the other, born of his mother. For which reason he maintains that Saint Mary ought to be called, not the Mother of God, but the Mother of Christ" (The Notebooks 12[35] [A.D. 434]). |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 7:21pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 7:31pm On Sep 13, 2013 |
fijiano202: Can you stupiid catholics stop referring to Mary as Mother of God,Jesus is not God,stop confusing christains with ur lack of wisdow,Jesus always refer to God as his father,mary gave birth to Jesus Christ not God,am a christain and it hurts when i see my fellow christain been manipulated or confused for nonsensical beliefs Trinity A. The Trinity is one God who exists simultaneously in three persons. Each is coequal, copowerful, and coeternal with the other. Each person--Father, Son and Holy Spirit--is not the other. Without either there is no God; all comprise the one God. B. Analogy of the Trinity: With time, for example, the past is distinct from the present, which is distinct from the future. Each is simultaneous. Yet, they are not three 'times,' but one. That is, they all share the same nature: time C. Trinitarian Verses i. Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," ii. 1 Cor. 12:4-6, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons." iii. 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." 3. Objections to the Trinity answered A. The Word Trinity is not in the Bible. i. Just because the word "trinity" is not in the Bible doesn't mean that the concept is not taught. The word "monotheism" is not in the Bible, yet the Bible teaches it ( Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,  . Therefore, your criticism isinvalid. #Fact Jesus Is The 2nd Person Of The blessed Trinity That Means He is God the Son. That Also Make The Blessed Virgin Mary mOther Of All Saints Queen Of Angels. The Mother Of God. Next Time No Display Ur ignorance online. |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by quivah(f): 7:03am On Sep 14, 2013 |
Mr. Aladin:ohhh shut up!!! Na Whr u c trinity?! E dey ya bible?!! |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by quivah(f): 7:03am On Sep 14, 2013 |
Mr. Aladin:woow!! So the almighty god has a mother finally!! I tot its written in ur book that god was nt born?!!.. god sha!!! He impregnate a woman to born himself..it must be a lonely life for him in heaven.. |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by Nobody: 7:17am On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:LOL . .girl you crazy . |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 8:30am On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:goiing tru Ur Post I jst Found out how Ignorance U are. U must be A member of One of diS Mushroom churches who only teaches Prosperity instead of the Word Of God. Thats If u are a true Xtian. What Do Say Abt Dis Bible Verse Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: Behold, the young woman who is unmarried and a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel [God with us]. Isaiah 7:14 why is JESUS christ called IMMANUEL  AND WHAT IS THE meaning Of The Name Pls Educate Me on that |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 8:43am On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah: My Dear U Are Jst Confused. Must EverythiNg Be written in d Bible You better come down from that high horse and learn to respect another's believe. Learn to air contrary view with respect,except you still live in the illusion of cerebral monopoly. |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by quivah(f): 10:17am On Sep 14, 2013 |
Mr. Aladin:thank me,i'm not a catholic  ..who's a true christian Never knew there are fake/true christians..Mr. Aladin:why should I educate you on that? Why not refer to your babble bible!! Doc_Miss: LOL . .girl you crazy .oh dear ! |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 10:45am On Sep 14, 2013 |
Why Are U Diverting Frm D Qustn. Miss Know All. I Have Better tinx To Do Than to Engage In a Baseless Argument. |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by fijiano202(m): 3:09pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
if Jesus is God and mary is the mother of God,my question is do you mean Jesus brothers and Sisters Are god and Goddess? cos its clearly stated in the bible that Jesus has brothers and Sisters,one of them is name Simon,try to confirm this |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by magkhan(f): 8:07pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
fijiano202: if Jesus is God and mary is the mother of God,my question is do you mean Jesus brothers and Sisters Are god and Goddess? cos its clearly stated in the bible that Jesus has brothers and Sisters,one of them is name Simon,try to confirm this they were not of Mary's womb(google the circumstances surrounding the marriage between Joseph and Mary) if you don't believe it,let me ask you,if you were the 2nd child of your mum,and on the death of your elder brother,he put his best friend in charge of your mum when you are still alive,will you allow it? woman behold thy son,son behold thy mother ....hope it rings a bell |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 8:15pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
fijiano202: if Jesus is God and mary is the mother of God,my question is do you mean Jesus brothers and Sisters Are god and Goddess? cos its clearly stated in the bible that Jesus has brothers and Sisters,one of them is name Simon,try to confirm this The Gospels are also very clear that Mary was a virgin at the time she conceived Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit (cf. Mt 1:18-25, Lk 1:26-38). Remember when the Archangel Gabriel announced to Mary God's plan, she responded, "How can this be, since I do not know man?" After the birth of our Lord, although the Gospels do not give us many details of His childhood, no mention is made of Mary and Joseph ever having other children. Never does it refer to the "sons of Mary" or "a son of Mary," but only the son of Mary. This point is again corroborated at the crucifixion scene: Before He dies, our Lord says to Mary, "Woman, there is your son," and then to St. John, who is definitely not a blood brother, "There is your mother." Therefore, as Catholics, based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, we do not believe that Mary and Joseph had other children and consequently that Jesus had blood brothers and sisters. |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by MrAladin: 8:17pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
magkhan: i Like Ur Faith |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by fijiano202(m): 9:55am On Sep 17, 2013 |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by fijiano202(m): 9:59am On Sep 17, 2013 |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by woky: 10:24am On Sep 17, 2013 |
fijiano202: Can you stupiid catholics stop referring to Mary as Mother of God,Jesus is not God,stop confusing christains with ur lack of wisdow,Jesus always refer to God as his father,mary gave birth to Jesus Christ not God,am a christain and it hurts when i see my fellow christain been manipulated or confused for nonsensical beliefsu hav no knowledge abt the TRINITY |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by fijiano202(m): 1:41pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
GOD the father,Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy spirit. John 3:16 for God so love the world that he sent his begotten son,it clearly states Son not Himself or coming in human form,guy u are confusing urself,even ya pope himself is confused |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by woky: 8:36pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
fijiano202: GOD the father,Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy spirit. John 3:16 for God so love the world that he sent his begotten son,it clearly states Son not Himself or coming in human form,guy u are confusing urself,even ya pope himself is confusedoya blive ur own mak i blive my own |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by SalC: 7:12am On Sep 18, 2013 |
fijiano202: Can you stupiid catholics stop referring to Mary as Mother of God,Jesus is not God,stop confusing christains with ur lack of wisdow,Jesus always refer to God as his father,mary gave birth to Jesus Christ not God,am a christain and it hurts when i see my fellow christain been manipulated or confused for nonsensical beliefsClap for yourself. In your imaginations, u've made a point right? |
| Re: Mary : Mother Of God by SalC: 7:22am On Sep 18, 2013 |
fijiano202: if Jesus is God and mary is the mother of God,my question is do you mean Jesus brothers and Sisters Are god and Goddess? cos its clearly stated in the bible that Jesus has brothers and Sisters,one of them is name Simon,try to confirm thisI've answered this question on this forum before. The truth is that non of those refered to as Jesus's brothers in the bible is actually a son of Mary. And the word adelphos which was translated as brother has a wide range of meanings. It could be cousin, relative, kinsman of even countryman. It certainly does not always mean blood brother. If you need scriptures to back this up let me know and I will gladly provide them at my leisure time. 2 Likes |
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