I recently found out that the Agbada worn by Yoruba men was introduced by Sahelians and im wondering what was worn before the influence from Northern Nigeria.

i found this Bronze Cast of a ife Ooni discovered in the Benin palace but i cant really make out the clothing but i can tell it was some sort of flowing cloth from the feet area.

[img]http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/hjdrewal/RIGHT/right_slides1-10/BENIN_ife.jpg[/img]

this earlier Ife sculpture shows more detail. Some of the the same jewelry and ornaments are present and a wrapper but it seems distinct from the other made in Benin at a later date.

They wore a suit. Their birthday suit

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First and foremost, agbada was not introduced by northerners but influenced the dressing.

Secondly aso oke was worn before agbada and even before aso oke, there were cloths we use to wrap ourselves and this was way before any influence by anyone or group

alj harem: First and foremost, agbada was not introduced by northerners but influenced the dressing.

Secondly aso oke was worn before agbada and even before aso oke, there were cloths we use to wrap ourselves and this was way before any influence by anyone or group

any pics of aso oke?

surely you have google.

after all, you didnt ask anybody before posting the other pictures on the thread?

If i need information concerning connections between yorubas and Israelites ill call you tpia. Lol

am i supposed to have info on a connection between yorubas and isrealites?

explain, thanks.

Check out these links pertaining to Yoruba traditional wear;


Yoruba Classic Clothes – Tola Adenle: http://emotanafricana.com/2013/05/28/yoruba-classic-clothes-tola-adenle/

http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/arthistory/AfricanBodyArts/webpages/Yoruba.htm

The fashion secrets from the Yorubas: http://englishessaykce./tag/gbariye/

Yoruba Clothing: http://heliophon.org/2013/07/30/yoruba-clothing/

http://www.africa.uga.edu/Yoruba/unit_06/cultureunit.html


ciao

alj harem: First and foremost, agbada was not introduced by northerners but influenced the dressing.

Secondly aso oke was worn before agbada and even before aso oke, there were cloths we use to wrap ourselves and this was way before any influence by anyone or group

Agbada is northern, don't argue it.
@ Op, yorubas wear some loose shirt - that flares at the down part.
with trousers

alj harem: First and foremost, agbada was not introduced by northerners but influenced the dressing.

Secondly aso oke was worn before agbada and even before aso oke, there were cloths we use to wrap ourselves and this was way before any influence by anyone or group

Guy even a child knows that it's a northern cloth.So is ashoke and use of Calvert by Yoruba,all are northern culture borrow by Yoruba.Why do u think Hausa call Yoruba children of bayagida?

if yorubas say they have ancestral links with middle eastern culture, then what exactly is the problem now?

were they n.aked when they were in the ME or did they stop wearing clothes when they arrived in west africa?

no be una dey shout everywhere say they must not say they have links outside of nigeria?

tpia@:
if yorubas say they have ancestral links with middle eastern culture, then what exactly is the problem now?

were they n.aked when they were in the ME or did they stop wearing clothes when they arrived in west africa?

no be una dey shout everywhere say they must not say they have links outside of nigeria?

if i need shit like yoruba's wandering from the middle east into west africa ill call you. i dont need this in this thread.

This is very highly debated and I'm glad you mention that. Some people believe that Agbada came from Areas (North)

Watch this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrIUhmZ3tM&

PAPA AFRICA: if i need shit like yoruba's wandering from the middle east into west africa ill call you. i dont need this in this thread.

You are too arrogant.

ngozievergreen:

Agbada is northern, don't argue it.
@ Op, yorubas wear some loose shirt - that flares at the down part.
with trousers

Ibrahim mr fish:
Guy even a child knows that it's a northern cloth.So is ashoke and use of Calvert by Yoruba,all are northern culture borrow by Yoruba.Why do u think Hausa call Yoruba children of bayagida?

That so called loose shirt that flares down part is Aso Oke. Agbada was never of northern origin but influnced

Its origin lies with the clothing worn by the Islamized Tukulor, Mandé and Songhai peoples of the historic 8th Century Takrur and Ghana Empires, and 13th Century Mali and Songhai Empires.

This was not from Northerners but from a set of people that has not only influenced northerners but others, Are fons too influenced by Northerners ?

Here is the making of Aso Oke



Here are ancient yorubas

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnzA-M-tp14CEmHFNNaGmPE8tPob5MW-8y03CAGMOdKbBG-tTUYQ[/img]

Aso Oke in Agbada form

Brazilian Yoruba ( Was he also influenced by Northerners far off in Brazil ?)

[img]http://1.bp..com/-gYEwsdlO3L0/UT9T5hkthFI/AAAAAAAAIIk/oBonRi5G38c/s640/babasi.jpg[/img]

When did our interaction with northerners start ? DAYS of Alimi and Afonja ?? Nupes are not Northerners BTW but a Yoruboid group

It is of recent they became Northerners, The kings of Nupe mostly had Yoruba origin back in those days even to the extent that Sango is actually of Nupe origin (Yes the popular sango being worshiped in Edo, SW, brazil, Cuba etc)

This was way before Aso Oke, any Northern interaction etc

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfEg-wxFYLKfEIjp5tTxwghlXc5vXf_mQqrgWmxkfFVcSR9Xw1gg[/img]

Now it is safe to say since Agbada was from Mali aka Fulani right ? But compare the yoruba from Oyo in 1910 to fulani in futa jallon in 1905 (5 years difference)


Yoruba



Fulani



Here is hausa in 1950 in kano



Lagos yorubas in 1890



Here is hausa



Their distribution owes much to the diffusion of Islam along key trade routes, although not everyone who wore them was a Muslim. There were a number of mainly quite rare local variants but the predominant type was associated particularly with the[i] C19th Sokoto Caliphate centred on northern Nigeria and primarily the product of Hausa, Nupe and Oyo Yoruba textile workers (cotton spinners, dyers, weavers, tailors, embroiderers, beaters.) The Hausa name for these robes is riga, while among the Yoruba they were called agbada. It is usually not possible to attribute a specific ethnic origin to this type of robe on stylistic grounds alone.[/i] Although today they are often still made from hand-woven cloth, the painstaking and beautiful hand embroidery that was used in the past is very rarely seen. Fine old robes have become family heirlooms passed on from father to son and worn with pride at major celebrations.

Eyo festival Lagos Agabada .



Hausa man in Lagos praying wearing Aso Oke material in Agbada not Babanriga




bayagida is coin used to by people to talk of how they interacted before the advent of Nigeria. Hausas had not interaction with Igbos or Ijaws that is why they are not bayagidas, if they had interaction they will be bayagida.

About the Agbada, I'm not sure if it's Yoruba or Sahelian( likely); but it did not originate in Hausa nor Fula; though, dandogo was borrowed from the Hausa. Aso-Oke and Adire and one wonen material this "shines" were Yoruba clothing. These are the following Yoruba clothing:

TOP:
buba( short tunic: both long and short sleeve).
"ghana-styles" body wrapper(like in the statue of Oduduwa.
Beaded vest for royalty.
e.t.c

BELOW:
sokoto
kembe
One form of 3/4 trouser that the body(lap side) is big/look like skirt with two small projection for the for the legs.


For more information picture google "oyo horsemen". You will see a 15/16th century horseman figure with short sleeves and kembe trouser.

Also check Leo Forbenius book on Ife. Someone posted the pictures on Yoruba clothing on Nairaland.

olumidaie: About the Agbada, I'm not sure if it's Yoruba or Sahelian( likely); but it did not originate in Hausa nor Fula; though, dandogo was borrowed from the Hausa. Aso-Oke and Adire and one wonen material this "shines" were Yoruba clothing. These are the following Yoruba clothing:

TOP:
buba( short tunic: both long and short sleeve).
"ghana-styles" body wrapper(like in the statue of Oduduwa.
Beaded vest for royalty.
e.t.c

BELOW:
sokoto
kembe
One form of 3/4 trouser that the body(lap side) is big/look like skirt with two small projection for the for the legs.


For more information picture google "oyo horsemen". You will see a 15/16th century horseman figure with short sleeves and kembe trouser.

Also check Leo Forbenius book on Ife. Someone posted the pictures on Yoruba clothing on Nairaland.

Thank you, nicely put. Most of us don't know our facts before posting.

For example, it is obvious that if you see an Igbo man wearing Agbada or riga it is from the North or West the influence came from. But saying Agbada came from the Northern Nigeria to yorubas, ghanians, camerounians etc is a big lie because even Hausa wore danshiki and fulanis were half nake by the time Yorubas were wearing Agbada and Aso Oke. Now in turn, Nupe people had more influence on the dressing of Yorubas and Hausas than the other way around

northern walking naked,what have u guys been smoking?Just look at the nature of Hausa buildings and urs and tell me which one is from a lesser civilization.800year ago people 4m egypt ,tripoly and morroco come to kano to buy cloths and shoes.And even nupe borrow a lot 4m Hausa.stop lying to urself , Hausa kanuri nupe have the best civilization in 9ja.And have been wearing cloths long b4 u guys.

alj harem:



That so called loose shirt that flares down part is Aso Oke. Agbada was never of northern origin but influnced

Its origin lies with the clothing worn by the Islamized Tukulor, Mandé and Songhai peoples of the historic 8th Century Takrur and Ghana Empires, and 13th Century Mali and Songhai Empires.

This was not from Northerners but from a set of people that has not only influenced northerners but others, Are fons too influenced by Northerners ?

Here is the making of Aso Oke



Here are ancient yorubas

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnzA-M-tp14CEmHFNNaGmPE8tPob5MW-8y03CAGMOdKbBG-tTUYQ[/img]

Aso Oke in Agbada form

Brazilian Yoruba ( Was he also influenced by Northerners far off in Brazil ?)

[img]http://1.bp..com/-gYEwsdlO3L0/UT9T5hkthFI/AAAAAAAAIIk/oBonRi5G38c/s640/babasi.jpg[/img]

When did our interaction with northerners start ? DAYS of Alimi and Afonja ?? Nupes are not Northerners BTW but a Yoruboid group

It is of recent they became Northerners, The kings of Nupe mostly had Yoruba origin back in those days even to the extent that Sango is actually of Nupe origin (Yes the popular sango being worshiped in Edo, SW, brazil, Cuba etc)

This was way before Aso Oke, any Northern interaction etc

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfEg-wxFYLKfEIjp5tTxwghlXc5vXf_mQqrgWmxkfFVcSR9Xw1gg[/img]

Now it is safe to say since Agbada was from Mali aka Fulani right ? But compare the yoruba from Oyo in 1910 to fulani in futa jallon in 1905 (5 years difference)


Yoruba



Fulani



Here is hausa in 1950 in kano



Lagos yorubas in 1890



Here is hausa



Their distribution owes much to the diffusion of Islam along key trade routes, although not everyone who wore them was a Muslim. There were a number of mainly quite rare local variants but the predominant type was associated particularly with the[i] C19th Sokoto Caliphate centred on northern Nigeria and primarily the product of Hausa, Nupe and Oyo Yoruba textile workers (cotton spinners, dyers, weavers, tailors, embroiderers, beaters.) The Hausa name for these robes is riga, while among the Yoruba they were called agbada. It is usually not possible to attribute a specific ethnic origin to this type of robe on stylistic grounds alone.[/i] Although today they are often still made from hand-woven cloth, the painstaking and beautiful hand embroidery that was used in the past is very rarely seen. Fine old robes have become family heirlooms passed on from father to son and worn with pride at major celebrations.

Eyo festival Lagos Agabada .



Hausa man in Lagos praying wearing Aso Oke material in Agbada not Babanriga




bayagida is coin used to by people to talk of how they interacted before the advent of Nigeria. Hausas had not interaction with Igbos or Ijaws that is why they are not bayagidas, if they had interaction they will be bayagida.

Takrur or Tekrur was a Fulani empire. We have a Songhai group in Nigeria called Zarma. Fulani have always had different kinds of clothing based on region.

Riga is just a shirt. Babban riga is what Yoruba's call Agbada

Fulaman198:

Takrur or Tekrur was a Fulani empire. We have a Songhai group in Nigeria called Zarma. Fulani have always had different kinds of clothing based on region.

Riga is just a shirt. Babban riga is what Yoruba's call Agbada

That's what I was telling them.
babanriga is not of Yoruba origin,
I don't see the big deal there

ngozievergreen:

That's what I was telling them.
babanriga is not of Yoruba origin,
I don't see the big deal there

Same here, all Nigerian cultures borrow from one another whether we want to admit it or not.

Fulaman198:

Same here, all Nigerian cultures borrow from one another whether we want to admit it or not.

True, we all borrowed around.
Having read through this thread, I do not see any Yoruba poster laying claims to Agbada being of Yoruba origin?
The only point they raised is, Agbada/Babanriga isn't of Hausa/North origin either.

Ibrahim mr fish: northern walking naked,what have u guys been smoking?Just look at the nature of Hausa buildings and urs and tell me which one is from a lesser civilization.800year ago people 4m egypt ,tripoly and morroco come to kano to buy cloths and shoes.And even nupe borrow a lot 4m Hausa.stop lying to urself , Hausa kanuri nupe have the best civilization in 9ja.And have been wearing cloths long b4 u guys.

LOL, best civilization. Nigeria in general is nothing to write home about.

And what is wrong in walking naked ? are their not still ethnic groups in adamawa and taraba still walking naked ?

Fulaman198:

Takrur or Tekrur was a Fulani empire. We have a Songhai group in Nigeria called Zarma. Fulani have always had different kinds of clothing based on region.

Riga is just a shirt. Babban riga is what Yoruba's call Agbada

Yes but just like different groups in africa, they are divided into clans and what I am pointing out is that some clans of fulani were still walking naked when the Hausa and yoruba had clothes.

Moreover they are different, Agbada can be done with Aso Oke. It is the material I am talking about not the design

ngozievergreen:

That's what I was telling them.
babanriga is not of Yoruba origin,
I don't see the big deal there

My sister you are not saying anything, should we give credit to someone who did not have any influence ?

Fulaman198:

Same here, all Nigerian cultures borrow from one another whether we want to admit it or not.

Yes sure but we need to know what we borrowed (nothing wrong with that) and what was actually invented by group themselves.

Agbada is not borrowed from the Northern Nigeria but from a group far away.

9jacrip:

True, we all borrowed around.
Having read through this thread, I do not see any Yoruba poster laying claims to Agbada being of Yoruba origin?
The only point they raised is, Agbada/Babanriga isn't of Hausa/North origin either.

Agbada/Babban Riga is of Sahelian origin. So it could be from anywhere in West Africa. Most likely not Nigeria as no ethnic group is originally from Nigeria anyway.

alj harem:

Yes but just like different groups in africa, they are divided into clans and what I am pointing out is that some clans of fulani were still walking naked when the Hausa and yoruba had clothes.

Moreover they are different, Agbada can be done with Aso Oke. It is the material I am talking about not the design

The thing is the Fulbe (Fulani) before coming to Nigeria had been wearing clothes like these for ages. Sure, there are different variants of Fulani clothing, but we must not mistake these clothes to be of West African origin, because they are of West African Sahelian origin. No ethnic group is from Nigeria anyways.

I love intellectual posts.