coogar: MMotimo kicking knowledge as usual. that write-up was a good read & very insightful. ileoba is no extremist, she just feigns to be a wild cat - she's actually a puppy.

coogar:

haaaa, damiso didn't get the memo.
there's black friday in the UK tomorrow - big shops have stolen the idea & prices are to be slashed up to 70% discount.

i am taking tomorrow off sef so i can shop till i drop. christmas came too soon. asda, john lewis & amazon have caught the bug. miss it, miss o

coogar:

haaaa, damiso didn't get the memo.
there's black friday in the UK tomorrow - big shops have stolen the idea & prices are to be slashed up to 70% discount.

i am taking tomorrow off sef so i can shop till i drop. christmas came too soon. asda, john lewis & amazon have caught the bug. miss it, miss out.

Efemena_xy:

Coogar, d'you know if these Black Friday deals for Amazon extend to their Kindle e-readers? Particularly the new Paperwhite WiFi / 3G model?

Abeg respond sharp-sharp...don't want to miss out on it

Efemena_xy: ^^ Nope - Just had a look and they're only offering a £5.00 discount (£164.99)

http://www.valuebasket.com/en_GB/Amazon-Kindle-Paperwhite-3G-E-Reader-(Black)/mainproduct/view/11617-AA-BK

I knew the price you mentioned was too good to be true

Oh well...

coogar:

there are grants, financial aid & scholarships for students who want to go to ivy league schools. the emphasis is more on the i brilliance of the children than the pockets of their parents.

for instance, 60% of the kids in havard are on financial aid. contrary to the nonsense you typed up there, majority of the students @ havard cannot afford paying their fees from the pockets of their 2 working parents.

kandiikane - another myth busted!!!

lynk106:
but you didn't answer the question. financial aid or not, survey all those students and overwhelming majority of them come from families with two working parents. In fact,you are more likely to find children from single (working) mom household than to find kids of stay at home moms at ivy league schools.

your idea that children raised by stay at home moms are somehow superior is very stüpid.
I associate stay at home moms with either the ultra-wealthy or the hillybilly red-neck, ultra conservative christian whites who still believe that the world is flat and evolution is heresy. These aren't d folks you will find in d ivy league anyway.

those are the people I associate stay-at-home moms with. The rest are stay at home not by choice (lost their job, recently gave birth etc).

and talkless of blacks or africans abroad. I have NEVER meet a stay-at-home mom of black or african origin. unless she just came from Africa and can't yet find a job. Even children of African parents can feel the suffocation on their independence talk-less of women who are full grown adults to have to live that way and be dependent on their husbands. it will drive one crazy. I can imagine. ex.I can never imagine my mom as a stay-at-home mother knowing my dad's personality. I can never be a financially dependent stay at home mother either.at least not to an african husband.

unless he has a very gentle personality. I'd rather be a single mother than live like that becuase it seems to me like a recipe for disaster (potential for domestic abuse, deprivation etc)

Career leads to financial independence. truth to be told. and women should definitely have their careers. Just don't have a lot of kids/use family planning.

lynk106:

but you didn't answer the question. financial aid or not, survey all those students and overwhelming majority of them come from families with two working parents. In fact,you are more likely to find children from single (working) mom household than to find kids of stay at home moms at ivy league schools.

your idea that children raised by stay at home moms are somehow superior is very stupid.
I associate stay at home moms with either the ultra-wealthy or the hillybilly red-neck, ultra conservative christian whites who still believe that the world is flat and evolution is heresy. These aren't d folks you will find in d ivy league anyway.
those are the people I associate stay-at-home moms with. The rest are stay at home not by choice (lost their job, recently gave birth etc).

and talkless of blacks or africans abroad. I have NEVER meet a stay-at-home mom of black or african origin. unless she just came from Africa and can't yet find a job. Even children of African parents can feel the suffocation on their independence talk-less of women who are full grown adults to have to live that way and be dependent on their husbands. it will drive one crazy. I can imagine.
ex.I can never imagine my mom as a stay-at-home mother knowing my dad's personality. I can never be a financially dependent stay at home mother either.at least not to an african husband.unless he has a very gentle personality. I'd rather be a single mother than live like that becuase it seems to me like a recipe for disaster (potential for domestic abuse, deprivation etc)
Career leads to financial independence. truth to be told. and women should definitely have their careers. Just don't have a lot of kids/use family planning.

we are talking about is not the permanent type - it's only for the first 3 years of a child when the baby is in his formative years.

kandiikane:
Gosh coogar you are so full of shyt. Your initial argument never said anything about temporary staying at home. It was no to career women. Majority working mothers do stay at home for a while anyway so what is your argument? Are you for or against a career woman because right now you're arguing senselessly.

kandiikane: Coogar, what myth exactly? We are talking about ivy league student with both parents working and not scholarships. Point is, children are still able to perform and become successful with both parents working.

bukatyne: Coogar is just arguing for the sake of it!

You say that a career woman should not have kids...

Later, you say a woman is just to stay at home for 0 - 5 yrs and then resume working...

Which one is it really?

coogar:

that's the difference.

bukatyne:

You can't get away from the hook

I don't want to engage in an argument; I just want you to take a stand

coogar:

you cease to be a career woman the moment you take 3-5 years out of your time to nurture your kids.

a career woman is not interested in making children. their career is more important than having kids here & there and that is who coogar said all men should avoid.

bukatyne......booooooooooo!

bukatyne:
You cease to be a student when you defer your admission due to illness or have extra year

Take your stand and stop shifting and redefining terms.
Take care

bukatyne:

You cease to be a student when you defer your admission due to illness or have extra year

Take your stand and stop shifting and redefining terms.

Take care

coogar:

you cease to be a career woman the moment you take 3-5 years out of your time to nurture your kids.
a career woman is not interested in making children. their career is more important than having kids here & there and that is who coogar said all men should avoid.
bukatyne......booooooooooo!

lynk106:
This is completely FALSE.
First of all, a career woman's interest in kids is not any less than an career man's interest in kids. If as a man, your career is more important to you than starting a family, yes, there are women who feel the same way, and rightfully so.

If as a career man, you are still interested in having a family, the yes, there are also plenty of women who feel the same way, and rightfully so.

second of all, you are not a woman so you do not even qualify to be arguing about what women want or what they should want.
You sound like those republican pundits when they start blabbering about women and dictating on how women should live, act and behave etc. Men assuming arrogant expertise in female anatomy and whatnot.

and lastly, A woman's career is setback by taking time off but she can definitely continue her career. the main reason women have a hard time with careers is due to the fact that the workplace is sexist. For example, USA is one of the few countries in the world that DOES NOT offer paid maternity leave. So, many women who want careers have to delay childbirth, suffer from setback and lower wages partially due to the fact that they took time off to raise children and therefore they fall behind in their careers.

In Northern Europe, the workplace is much accommodating and women have less problems with this. In fact, even the men in a country like Sweden have MANDATORY paternity leave because the society expects the men to partake in the raising of the child. They don't see child rearing as being an exclusively woman's job. Then again, northern European countries like Denmark and Iceland also have female prime ministers. Northern Europe is the most progressive region in the world. Even the educational attainment of their children in a country like Iceland blows the rest of the western world out of the water.

Your line of thought -the s.tupid idea that the sole purpose of a woman's existence is to produce and rear children is the same that caused girls and women to be excluded from schooling and education for centuries. That kept women uneducated and dependent, unable to vote, unable to speak for themselves (hence the plethora of men claiming expertise on women's lives and issues).

Yes, educated/career women are likely to have fewer children (the more educated a society is, the lower the birth rate). I don't see that as a bad thing. There are plenty enough illiterate baby daddys and baby mamas in the USA alone anyway. Don't come on here dictating to us what we are/should be interested in or not interested in.

Like I said, in the USA (where I live) career women are actually MORE likely to be married than their mates. The reverse was the case in the 50s and 60s when the "domesticated woman" was being promoted. but pls, this is 2013 (almost 2014). get with the times!

lynk106:
. For example, USA is one of the few countries in the world that DOES NOT offer paid maternity leave.

coogar:
this is how financial times(FT) defined the career woman.... A woman who believes that her career is more important than finding a husband or having children.

coogar:
then you should provide an empirical evidence that backs this claim. this is a public forum - you cannot just throw conjectures in the air & expect people to swallow it line hook & sinker. besides being more likely to marry is different from being more likely to be happy in the marriage. what is the divorce rate of career women? if it's high,

why shouldn't men avoid them?

was there feminism when women & children were the first to get off titanic as far back as 1912? yet you are talking bullshyte that women were unable to speak for themselves. do you know how many men(geniuses) that perished in the sea so that women/kids could be saved? women voted in wyoming as far back as 1869 - the word feminism wasn't even coined yet so tape it shut, your history knowledge sucks.

lynk106:
can you provide a link? because that's the dumbest thing I've heard, if I ever heard one.
So, how then do you define a career man?
rubbish.

A career woman is a woman who has a career. period.

here you go:
they are more likely to get married and less likely to get divorced. The statistics are reversed. The New York Times article is very eye-opening because it show that a lot of the drawbacks for career/educated women simply came from sexist views held by men. in the 50s and 60s, educated and career women WERE less likely to get married but in recent times, men no longer are threatened by successful and educated women. They are now starting to see women in equal terms rather than as subordinates. Although we still have a ways to go.ex maternity leave policies etc. I am speaking for the USA. not naija LOL

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/opinion/sunday/marriage-suits-educated-women.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.today.com/money/marriage-luxury-good-class-divide-who-gets-married-divorced-8C11457474

because all men aren't the same. what TYPE of man are you talking about?

For example, to me, I believe that men with inflated egos should avoid career women (or educated women, PERIOD). Men who were raised to believe that women should be subordinate or inferior to men should not even think about it.
On the other hand, a man who was raised in a family or culture that sees women as equally important and capable of being a source of financial income will have no problem.

“The doctor used to marry the nurse. Today, the doctor marries the doctor,”
http://www.today.com/money/marriage-luxury-good-class-divide-who-gets-married-divorced-8C11457474

lynk106:
dumb dumb dumb of you. pls do tell me how many men... oops I mean geniuses perished to save the imb.ecile women and children. rubbish

Do you actually believe that any woman in her right mind will want to go back to live in 1912? Titanic ko, Noah's ark ni. Women and children are actually MORE likely to die on sinking ships.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/forget-titanic-women-and-children-rarely-first-off-sinking-ships/

This is one of the befuddling things about sexism (and even racism) is this use of the rare events (sometimes myths) to justify the status quo. It's like reading narratives of the "benevolent slave master" over again.

feminism has existed since the beginning of time. Just because a word wasn't coined doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The aspect of women's rights related to voting was called "women's suffrage" and it began as far back as 1700s in modern history. France was where it originated after the french revolution that declared that all men were equal (obviously excluding women).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Woman_and_the_Female_Citizen

In the USA, it began around 1840 and it was tied to the slave abolition movement which is interesting because in the 60s, the civil rights movement and feminist movement also happened at the same time. Of course, there were also many men who were sympathetic to women's rights movement. In fact, it is a necessity. At the end of the day it's a mindset issue. The politics is the easy part. The psychology and sexist mindset is the hardest part to change and most destructive.

yes, your sexist mindset stinks.

lynk106: career man - a man who is a careerist
career woman - a woman who is a careerist
careerist - a professional who is intent on furthering his or her career by any possible means and often at the expense of their own integrity
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/career+man
^

by this definition, women should avoid career-men as well. I guess we are even. goodnite