• From the perspective of other religions opposed to yours, even though your religion descended from theirs, or theirs from yours. A good example of this is how Christians believe Jews will still go to hell without Jesus bever mind the special place they have in God, and how conservative Jews still disbelieve the Messiah (as Jesus Christ) has come and await his coming (not Jesus' second coming) on earth.

Every religion is proclaimed as truth, some moreso than others.

• Have you read the history of your religion ? And not just through the eyes of an apologist scholar who practices the religion eg William Lane Craig and so would tend to show bias against data or thought that conflucts with his religion. Have you read outside of Bible schools, if you are a Christian, and gone to other sources by historians to get a different take, on the history as it is, of your religion ? Why not ask yourself of your ancestor just a few centuries back, her religious beliefs and how different they would be from yours. Or consider that history tells us there was once no Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

The history of religion is a cycle of life, growth and death.

• What if what you always believed deeply was a lie ? A seemingly faithful husband, an innocent child rebels, money will satisfy my wants. The emotional turmoil that results when the lie is verified drives some to madness. One way of avoiding this possible madness. Pretend the lie is actually true. But this is conflicting especially when one considers the lesson we all are taught: to speak the truth in good conscience. And if some of us have in all honesty denied one religion for a 'true one', or denied religion altogether, this should ginger a recheck of what you consider to be true, in case it is a lie.

Religion binds people to a truth so its lie is ignored

Religion binds people to a truth so its lie is ignored

Or better still, the lie is rationalized. The mind is powerful enough to see patterns where there aren't.

Anyways, interesting thoughts. What truths do you think any religion holds?

gaddem heathens smdh

aManFromMars:
Or better still, the lie is rationalized. The mind is powerful enough to see patterns where there aren't.

Anyways, interesting thoughts. What truths do you think any religion holds?

For one. That there is truth to be found in the world. Moral truth that will help better life.

Two, the need for community. Christianity emphasizes this a lot and believe it or not that is what kept it through the Roman persecution, the Reformation and even now. Even atheists learn from it.

The need for repetition. Catholics do this a whole lot. In fact, the culture is so strong, Protestants were never reformed out of it. That is how lots of habits and thought patterns are inculcated into people and is hard to question or break as the case may be.

One may argue communities did this. But we all know religion and community go a loooooong way back. The two are deemed to have kicked of simultaenously or almost.

Uyi Iredia:
Religion binds people to a truth so its lie is ignored

Exactly. It binds them to a truth by instilling fear in them

obadiah777: gaddem heathens smdh

Just tell me whether you have asked if Christianity, especially your consipiracy-theory sort, could be a lie.

Nice thread.

Religion is shallow and hypocritical.

But its different with me shaa. I've examined every other with an open mind, even christianity, and I've seen futility.

But now, I know what I believe. Depth of life, reality. Deep stuff about knowlge of God. I've had doubts before, but they've been resolved.

I've seen the difference between religion and life. I know the difference, and by God, I'm living the difference.

Uyi Iredia:

Just tell me whether you have asked if Christianity, especially your consipiracy-theory sort, could be a lie.

dunno bruv. i aint no christian.

obadiah777: dunno bruv. i aint no christian.

You didn't answer the question bro. Slot in whatever you are in place of "christianity"

obadiah777: dunno bruv. i aint no christian.

But you believe in Christ, at least, black Jesus Christ and the Bible. But you are denying Christianity if you claim not to be one ? Many persons here know what Christianity is and its tenets, and how the are played on. Eeem ! You think say Christianity na lie ?!

rationalmind:

You didn't answer the question bro. Slot in whatever you are in place of "christianity"

i am a god. scripture do say 'ye are gods but ye shall die like men'

so ermm yes 'i am a god' my religion is 'being a god'

Uyi Iredia:

But you believe in Christ, at least, black Jesus Christ and the Bible. But you are denying Christianity if you claim not to be one ? Many persons here know what Christianity is and its tenets, and how the are played on. Eeem ! You think say Christianity na lie ?!

ahhhh but you do err my compadre. 'christianity is a man made doctrine'. and the word 'christians' is a derogatory name used on the disciples at antioch. i aint no christian and i dayum sure aint into christianity

obadiah777: i am a god. scripture do say 'ye are gods but ye shall die like men'

so ermm yes 'i am a god' my religion is 'being a god'

same thing applies. Do you constantly evaluate that belief system? Do you ever feel you may be wrong?

Joshthefirst: Nice thread.

Religion is shallow and hypocritical.

Calm down o ! You are a Christian. You follow, or better yet, luve by a religion.

Joshthefirst: But its different with me shaa. I've examined every other with an open mind, even christianity, and I've seen futility.

Many Christians, and believe it, popular pastors of today will claim the same.

Joshthefirst: But now, I know what I believe. Depth of life, reality. Deep stuff about knowlge of God. I've had doubts before, but they've been resolved.

Sure. What many Christians will say. One some special mission to redeem a sullied Christianity and usher a new spirit. You even have crackpots like Marilyn Manson amongst them. Pat Robertson comes close.

Joshthefirst: I've seen the difference between religion and life. I know the difference, and by God, I'm living the difference.

Which is your religion ? So why do you think your difference counts and the rest are trash. Is that what you think ? Please say.

Classic obadiah: Ignore the op and preach armagedon.

rationalmind:

same thing applies. Do you constantly evaluate that belief system? Do you ever feel you may be wrong?

i have no belief system my kind Sir. i just live life. i have no rigid constraints by which i live by. i dont go to church, fast, tithe, dip myself in a pool of water for baptism, etc etc. i live just like any person on the planet.

Joshthefirst: Nice thread.

Religion is shallow and hypocritical.

But its different with me shaa. I've examined every other with an open mind, even christianity, and I've seen futility.

But now, I know what I believe. Depth of life, reality. Deep stuff about knowlge of God. I've had doubts before, but they've been resolved.

I've seen the difference between religion and life. I know the difference, and by God, I'm living the difference.

What a meaningless post.

KraticKratus: Classic obadiah: Ignore the op and preach armagedon.

au contraire compadre, i am addressing the issue full on. like a raging bull, if i may

obadiah777: ahhhh but you do err my compadre. 'christianity is a man made doctrine'. and the word 'christians' is a derogatory name used on the disciples at antioch. i aint no christian and i dayum sure aint into christianity

And your views on the Bible aren't man-made ? Okay what about Islam ? And other religions ? Do you think they are true ? Since you claim not to be into Christianity. Maybe donroxy isn't into 'Islam'.

obadiah777: i have no belief system my kind Sir. i just live life. i have no rigid constraints by which i live by. i dont go to church, fast, tithe, dip myself in a pool of water for baptism, etc etc. i live just like any person on the planet.

Hehehehe, how does one reply this dude

obadiah777: i have no belief system my kind Sir. i just live life. i have no rigid constraints by which i live by. i dont go to church, fast, tithe, dip myself in a pool of water for baptism, etc etc. i live just like any person on the planet.

I think you are trying to playtwinkle toes so we can't tackle your beliefs. You have a belief system. Even if it is queer. Okay. With this do I assume you don't believe the Bible, Jesus resurrection and miracles ?

Uyi Iredia:
For one. That there is truth to be found in the world. Moral truth that will help better life.

What's moral truth?

Uyi Iredia:
Two, the need for community. Christianity emphasizes this a lot and believe it or not that is what kept it through the Roman persecution, the Reformation and even now. Even atheists learn from it.

It's not just Christianity. Even in the animal kingdom, we find strength in packs.

Uyi Iredia:
The need for repetition. Catholics do this a whole lot. In fact, the culture is so strong, Protestants were never reformed out of it. That is how lots of habits and thought patterns are inculcated into people and is hard to question or break as the case may be.

A weak point.

Uyi Iredia:
One may argue communities did this. But we all know religion and community go a loooooong way back. The two are deemed to have kicked of simultaenously or almost.

I doubt that. We may never know anyways.

KraticKratus: Classic obadiah: Ignore the op and preach armagedon.

on the low,brah.

Uyi Iredia:

And your views on the Bible aren't man-made ? Okay what about Islam ? And other religions ? Do you think they are true ? Since you claim not to be into Christianity. Maybe donroxy isn't into 'Islam'.

[b] my views on the bible are celestially inspired. definitely not man made. as per islam ? well i can tell you the history of islam. the moors as they were called which they were really israelites aka negros ruled europe and the whole middle-east during the dark and middle ages. they called their empire the byzantine empire. just south of israel is the land of edom which is where caucasians lived. there was a huge mix between the caucasians and hamitic africans ( ethiopians etc ) in that region which gave rise to the people we now call today arabs. the numbers of the arabs became huge and threatening to the authority of the moors so the moors needed a tool of control to keep them docile. so they concocted out of the bible another religion and called it islam and they looked for a charismatic arab named mohammed and groomed him to be the savior for the new religion and as such they controlled the arabs for a while but the plan backfired on them because the arabs took the religion seriously and all united behind the religion and kicked all the black people away from the middle east behind the religion in the 1400s. that is your first wave of slavery to the americas in the 1400s. the first black slaves were all shipped from the middle east and europe by the arabs and edomites and hamitic africans. and thats how islam was formed[/b]

Uyi Iredia:

Calm down o ! You are a Christian. You follow, or better yet, luve by a religion.



Many Christians, and believe it, popular pastors of today will claim the same.



Sure. What many Christians will say. One some special mission to redeem a sullied Christianity and usher a new spirit. You even have crackpots like Marilyn Manson amongst them. Pat Robertson comes close.

my life backs up my claim.

Which is your religion ? So why do you think your difference counts and the rest are trash. Is that what you think ? Please say.

Culled from introductiongalatians; the message remix:

"When men and women get their hands on religion, one of the first things they do is turn it into an instrument for controlling others, either putting or keeping them "in their place". The history of such religious manipulation and coercion is long and tedious. It is little wonder that people who have known religion on such terms experience release or escape from it as freedom. The problem is that the freedom turns out to be short-lived."


Life is more than religion you see. Christianity is more than religion. The cure for all of mans ailments is Jesus Christ. It is him that I subscribe to. I am his disciple. Religion only keeps people in bondage of rules. And atheism only gives seeming relief to those truly in bondage of sin.

I've quoted this verses many times. People seem to ignore its intensity, maybe their hearts are hardened. I pray you will read this verses from the bible with all honesty and sincerity and ponder and think:

Matthew 11:28-30 "Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you'll recover your life. I'll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won't lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you'll learn to live freely and lightly."(The Message)


The real rest I have found in Christ Jesus is rest from the burdens of sin.

rationalmind:

Hehehehe, how does one reply this dude

as you would any homo-sapien with no religious ties

Joshthefirst:
The real rest I have found in Christ Jesus is rest from the burdens of sin.

Of course. Jesus is the spiritual omo. just commit and be forgiven.

Uyi Ireyda: • From the perspective of other religions opposed to yours, even though your religion descended from theirs, or theirs from yours. A good example of this is how Christians believe Jews will still go to hell without Jesus bever mind the special place they have in God, and how conservative Jews still disbelieve the Messiah (as Jesus Christ) has come and await his coming (not Jesus' second coming) on earth.

Every religion is proclaimed as truth, some moreso than others.

• Have you read the history of your religion ? And not just through the eyes of an apologist scholar who practices the religion eg William Lane Craig and so would tend to show bias against data or thought that conflucts with his religion. Have you read outside of Bible schools, if you are a Christian, and gone to other sources by historians to get a different take, on the history as it is, of your religion ? Why not ask yourself of your ancestor just a few centuries back, her religious beliefs and how different they would be from yours. Or consider that history tells us there was once no Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

The history of religion is a cycle of life, growth and death.

• What if what you always believed deeply was a lie ? A seemingly faithful husband, an innocent child rebels, money will satisfy my wants. The emotional turmoil that results when the lie is verified drives some to madness. One way of avoiding this possible madness. Pretend the lie is actually true. But this is conflicting especially when one considers the lesson we all are taught: to speak the truth in good conscience. And if some of us have in all honesty denied one religion for a 'true one', or denied religion altogether, this should ginger a recheck of what you consider to be true, in case it is a lie.

Religion binds people to a truth so its lie is ignored

It is true that some Christians might not go out to read about others religion.

Like I always say if many christians in the past or now are still based their faith on what was written in the Bible only, I will assure you that Christianity would have crashed out but some people have found God beyond written i.e manifestation of God. I'm a typical example.

The major challenge in Christendom today is because many doctrines have been mixed with the doctrine of Jesus Christ which many people didn't know that it's a great warning signal to seek God personally through Christ.

I didn't say Christianity is the best religion but the question that always come to my mind is this, if Jesus made a promise over 2000yrs ago and in an humble mind with total submission and strong faith, you find out the promise to be truth. Did He lie? No! Meaning whatever He said is true.

Lastly, the question I still need answer to by any folk is, if people converting from one religion to another I.e Christianity to Islam vise visa, even non religion i.e Atheism or Agonism vise visa. What is the missing link?

Shalom!

Uyi Iredia:

I think you are trying to playtwinkle toes so we can't tackle your beliefs. You have a belief system. Even if it is queer. Okay. With this do I assume you don't believe the Bible, Jesus resurrection and miracles ?

ahhh but the bible is not a belief system. it is a lifestyle. just as you have a lifestyle. you like eating eba. wearing ankara. drinking gulder. eating suya. etc etc. thats a nigerian lifestyle. the bible is a lifestyle too just like yours. it has what to wear, what to eat, and a bit of history. its a lifestyle not a belief. i think you are confusing me with those who have used the book for a religion and a belief. its a lifestyle, same as you have a lifestyle mi compadre

aManFromMars:
What's moral truth?


It's not just Christianity. Even in the animal kingdom, we find strength in packs.


A weak point.


I doubt that. We may never know anyways.

By moral truth I mean something good that bebefits someone. BTW do you think there are truths to be seen in religion ? Yes or no and reason(s) please.

aManFromMars:
Of course. Jesus is the spiritual omo. just commit and be forgiven.

U mean hypo. It works better.

obadiah777: ahhh but the bible is not a belief system. it is a lifestyle. just as you have a lifestyle. you like eating eba. wearing ankara. drinking gulder. eating suya. etc etc. thats a nigerian lifestyle. the bible is a lifestyle too just like yours. it has what to wear, what to eat, and a bit of history. its a lifestyle not a belief. i think you are confusing me with those who have used the book for a religion and a belief. its a lifestyle, same as you have a lifestyle mi compadre

If it has what to wear, what to eat etc these are beliefs you follow ain't it ? You can't and don't divorce belief from lifestyle na !