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Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by naptu2: 2:56pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
deols: I was waiting for someone to answer my questions, but unfortunately nobody has answered them. This matter is actually very simple and straight forward, but the introduction of religion and emotions have complicated things. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by debetmx(m): 3:00pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
dapipson: Are you people saying none muslims don't drink alcohol ? U will be a great hypocrite if u say they don't. Well, That's not my problem, but why must someone be forced to carry out a religious duty? Why must he be forced not to eat or drink what he so wish? If he goes to hell, how does it affects you that is forcing other people not to take what they feel is good for them? Please, help me check that god. God bless you plenty. May you days be long in IJN. They are bleeping bunch of hypocrites. Taking medicine for other people's illness. Must I share other people's religious belief? Or because Mohammed was a teetotaler I shouldn't drink alcohol? Let me have my frigging drink and go to hell, bloody hypocrites. The level of debauchery that happens in the North is legendary. 1 Like |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by yousee(m): 3:12pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
deols:Your reply was on the statement that some of these people that slay and burn during religious riots are always "high" on something. Yet you wrote "religious function"... |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by deols(f): 3:51pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
naptu2: Yes. I could tell from your post that the state has the right to enact such laws. But maybe if they had used the police rather than hisbah(who promote shariah?) , we would have seen it less of a religious issue. I like your input. It is good to see it in another way. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by deols(f): 3:53pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
yousee: so what is your point? |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by Mozehh: 7:21pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
I have gone through this thread and nobody seems to address the issue. Everyone is just beating about the bush and seemingly trying to justify one wrong by citing another. This is the issue as i see it: Was it LAWFUL (i.e according to nigerian constitution) for the governor to destroy the alcohol? Now I am quite aware that the state seems to adopt sharia law, but like the mod indicated, does sharia law apply to all within a territory or only to muslims? I think muslims only (I may be wrong). If the alcohol belonged to a muslim, perhaps he was right to destroy it (I do not know the details sharia law). If it however belonged to a non-muslim, he broke the law and should pay a full refund. It's that simple! In addition, a state decides how it is governed by laws. You may feel alcohol and many other vices are morally wrong, but if that is not in the law of the land, you keep your morals to yourself or if you must do something about it, vote in reps and senators who promise to include the ban of alcohol in the constitution. No morally apt person should be in support of the consumption of alcohol. Every morally apt person should however be against the breaking of the law. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by Sissie(f): 7:28pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
debetmx: Did the Bible say it was an alcoholic wine? After all we do have non alcoholic wine. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by Nobody: 7:39pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
muktar mtt: we don't force anybody and even in christernity taken alcohol is taboo is not allwd in d bible so y u dey vex if u rily answer ur name a Christian or may u r just a hypocrite. mtswI was about to give a critical response to this piece of garbage then I realise, it doesn't worth it. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by naptu2: 8:02pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
Mozehh: I have gone through this thread and nobody seems to address the issue. Everyone is just beating about the bush and seemingly trying to justify one wrong by citing another. This is the issue as i see it: I have just one question for you (it's not directly related to the thread topic). vote in reps and senators who promise to include the ban of alcohol in the constitution. Does the constitution contain all the laws in Nigeria? O! Or maybe two questions. What are the sources of Nigerian law? |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by Nobody: 8:25pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
Mozehh: I have gone through this thread and nobody seems to address the issue. Everyone is just beating about the bush and seemingly trying to justify one wrong by citing another. This is the issue as i see it: I agree with your post but for the last but one sentence People have only been interested in talking without making much sense What right does kwankwaso or his rag tag brigade of sharia police have to confiscate beer on a highway to Kano and destroy them Then they turn around and tell us sharia is for Muslims alone Was the beer owned by Muslim merchants,we need to know That is a question that even the zealots and sharia proponents here have been unable to ask or answer They are beginning to dig their sharia fingers into our eyes and Christians must resist these moves with everything they have These people are unreasonable and ultra intolerant The owners of those goods should sue the government and I believe they have enough evidence to tender This should not be allowed to go unchallenged If beer is allowed in Sabon Gari,the beer cannot fly from the south into Sabongari It has to be transported there and if these eediots begin to confiscate and destroy the goods before they get to Sabon Gari,they have crossed the line once more as they often do. They have shown time and again that they are incapable of keeping to simple rules Christians and non mUslims ought to speak up I understand many Christians don't drink,I don't drink either but this is beyond drinking alcohol It is about fundamental rights and freedom,it is about beer today,they already burn churches ,tomorrow it will be something else,that is why we should be concerned. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by Rexyl(m): 8:33pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
Let them include it in constitution that alcohol has been banned forever in Nigeria but they should not forget to ban child marriage and violence under whatever disguise - religous, political and social issues. If this aspect is neglected the government there would be a bunch of ridicule. Instead of alcohol concerned companies can resort to ethanol production to power engines. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by Yagazee: 8:33pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
Our leaders commits adultry by blending religion with politics/gov't. We have religious bodies as an authority presiding over a particular religion. We have a gov't placed to take care of her citizens within & outside her domain regardless of their religious inclination. So our Northern governors, stop imposing laws bourn out of religious dogma in a multi-religious country like Nigeria. You qualified for that seat of governorship not because you are a graduate of an Islamic or Seminar school but a graduate of a secular school (University). Debating weither both Islam & Christainity abore alchohol should be personal. Nigeria comprises of Muslims, Christains & Traditional religious people. If you want to bring back the acient times when kings/judges/emperors make laws base on their religious denomination, don't forget to ban automobiles so that we all will ride on camels. Always remember that among those that voted for you are those whose religious believes differ from yours. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by abbeysteph: 8:41pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
Can nigeria match pakistan or iran in terms of wat?so u don't predict doom 4 naija but oda countries of d world can b nuked u don't bloody care chai craze dey ur head.aboki stop day drimin,y ar u muslim so dumb if ur so calld prophet cud not conquer europe how com u blind followers will,ode. Mujah1deen: |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 9:30pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
deols: Very good statements and questions - I am following |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by Yagazee: 9:33pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
abbeysteph: Can nigeria match pakistan or iran in terms of wat?so u don't predict doom 4 naija but oda countries of d world can b nuked u don't bloody care chai craze dey ur head.aboki stop day drimin,y ar u muslim so dumb if ur so calld prophet cud not conquer europe how com u blind followers will,ode. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 9:34pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
tbaba1234: I find a lot of constrictions in your statement. In this case we have to ask which law trumps the other. Is Sharia law greater than Nigerian Constitution or is it the other way around? The only way Sharia can be enforced is in a 100% Muslim society. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 9:48pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
LagosShia i think the OP might have a point.if the alcohol was seized in muslim area of the state,then the government is right.in a country like Nigeria (even if the state be majority Muslim),we should be sensitive to feelings and beliefs of others,and be tolerant to them.the Christians should know how not to violate the rights and feelings of muslims,and the muslims too should be tolerant where they are a majority.the same should apply if the case is the other way round. Nigeria belongs to every Nigerian, this is not a muslim and non-muslim issue. Sharia is a political system that treats non-muslims as 2nd class citizen - PERIOD!. Next time, it will be, you can't build churches were muslims are or you can't celebrate Christmas. the government can do itself good in kano by issuing out licenses to stores. The license can act as permission to sell alcohol in certain locations in the state where Christians reside or visit for leisure. I think even in western countries stores do acquire licenses to make sure that alcohol is not sold to underage individuals. This license can serve in northern Nigeria as a way to hold accountable the people permitted in trading alcohol to non-Muslims. Those without license cannot trade alcohol,and those with license can only trade alcohol where permitted. Anything outside this amounts to breaking the law and offending Muslims. That is a perfect solution and that is how it is done in the West. It is not a muslim and non-muslim issue. Certain societies have certain values they want to keep and I understand that. However, it should be a choice and not forcing it on others. For example, in the State of Georgia, gambling is illegal and there are no Casinos but lottery is legal. The opposite is the same in the state of Alabama. No one cares if you are a muslim or non-muslim. indeed the sharia law is not meant for non-muslims to observe it or for it to be applied on them.sharia law is meant only for muslims to observe and apply, and for muslims to be punished for not observing it.you don't have to frown or feel offended if non-muslims is drinking alcohol where permitted even if the place be majority muslim.let them be.i personally do hate alcohol with a passion,and I don't sit around people drinking it when I can take my leave.so we need to offend no one or confront them because of our own laws,especially when there are too many options for us to still observe and protect our beliefs and at the same time showing tolerance. I agree with you. I hate the smell and taste of Alcohol and don't understand how people can drink it. However, there are times alcohol is permitted for consumption not for leisure but for other reasons. For example, staying in an environment where the temperature is below freezing i.e. in Russia and other parts of Europe. Taking shots of vodka is common to fight cold and keep warm. I think Sharia can only be enforced in it's totality in a predominant muslim society i.e. Saudi Arabia/Iran |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 10:00pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
mad nigerian Well I am against alcohol for the following reasons....it can increase your risk of many health problems, including: Really! - I think you need to figure out the difference between alcohol and drunkenness. They are two different things. Taking a glass of wine in my home or celebrating with friends wouldn't give me bad dreams or STDs |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 10:01pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
homesteady: And the most annoying thing is that Na the hausa people dey drink am pass! That is why it's BIG form of hypocrisy. Most Arabs who are muslims are keen smokers. Nobody sees the health risk in that but na alcohol they will start shouting about. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 10:04pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
alpha conde: His premise has nothing to do with the topic. Based on his narrative, we all shouldn't eat fried foods, puff-puff, drink Pepsi or eat amala because they can cause unhealthy diseases |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 10:06pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
mad nigerian Obesity, diabetes, hypertension, tooth decay, organ damage, fatigue.... Again, you are losing the point. Too much sugar is not good should be your argument. Sugar is in sugarcane and it's good. Sugar is in apples and it's good, sugar is in pine-apple, paw-paw and 1001 other healthy natural choices. Too much intake of alcohol is where the issue is - Alcohol itself is not bad. |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by alexis(m): 10:10pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
Sissie: I think you meant to say drunkenness. Alcohol has it's benefits http://www.medicaldaily.com/7-health-benefits-drinking-alcohol-247552 |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by noskybanj(m): 10:38pm On Dec 05, 2013 |
deols:I can't really make out ur point, wat r u trying 2 say please? |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by BetaThings: 2:58am On Dec 06, 2013 |
Baby mama: Christians and non mUslims ought to speak upTh e typical partnership with atheists Baby mama:I suggest you go to Kano to lead the charge |
Re: A Muslim's View Of The Ban On Alcohol In Kano State by rahamAllah: 6:20am On Dec 06, 2013 |
deols: Gimba Kakanda writes on facebook-Are you sure you are a Muslim? Cos am very sure you can't be a christian. Kano state has not band Christianity and besides why do we even have to reference Christianity in this matter? |
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