KoiceReloaded:


Rivals, MCU, achieved fame by building on the foundation laid by Iron-Man (2008). They realized that humor mixed with action, and sexy VFX were a match made in heaven, so they cultivated these tools, and promptly channeled it into subsequent MCU films. The rest is history, as they say.

Bottom line, Joker (2019) could be the beginning of DCEU revolution, like Iron-Man (2008) was to MCU.

J2381:
oh I see like he imagined being on that show before he actually went on that show, right?
urs of course it's just what it is, your detailed explanations. I didn't know you wrote the script for the movie bro, or did you? We're talking about facts presented in the movie you're talking about your detailed explanation. Yea right.
is it impossible. Like I said before, Already knew her and there's was no evidence presented in the movie that Wayne had an affair with Penny Fleck. It's not ridiculous it is what is shown in the movie.
so you're now a behavioural expert to know what a married man will do and what a married man can't do? I still stand there wasn't any evidence presented that Thomas Wayne had an affair with Penny Fleck. Or you don't think someone whose delusional can think of such an affair? Beside why would Thomas Wayne employ a person whose delusional in the first place.
what didn't exist in the film, bro? As regard the bolded yet you can believe he had a close relationship with his mother? Come on men?
I didn't say she abused Arthur, her boyfriend did. And they battered her also. Everything was in that file. Like Thomas Wayne would abuse his own child just to cover up his infidelity?
no evidence? What about the file he got from the hospital? Isn't that evidence enough?

You can also watch the film and again and pay attention to details starting from when Arthur Fleck went to that hospital.

Here's a screenshot I made. Penny Fleck was even battered here so what on earth are you debating about bro?

KoiceReloaded:

You don't know what was real and what wasn't, methinks.

- His relationship with his mom was real.
- Appearing in the Murray's show at the beginning, wasn't real.
- His relationship with his pretty neighbor wasn't real.
- A flashback scene showing a man interviewing his mom was viewed from his POV, so might simply be imaginary, like he imagined appearing in Murray's show, or having a romantic relationship with his neighbor.
- The asylum ending could be real or imaginary.

Get this sorted, and perhaps, you will see things more clearly.

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Lemme drop these links here, perhaps, it will help you get a fresher perspective.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/joker-ending-explained-what-was-real-what-wasnt-an/1100-6470322/

https://screenrant.com/joker-movie-thomas-wayne-arthur-fleck-father/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-actor-explains-thomas-wayne-twist-hidden-backstory-1245261
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Over and out.

cao:
Noelle.

abdurrazaq:


Check out these bollywood movies and you won't be disappointed
1. New York
2. Fan
3. Baghban
4. Sultan
5. Brothers
6. Kesari
7. Lagaan
8. Dangal
9. Like Stars on Earth
10. Chiller Party
11. Hichki
12. 3 Idiots
13. Rockstar
14. London Dreams
15. Players
16. Swades
17. My name is Khan
18. Aashiqui 2
19. Sabjit
20. Chak De India

There are so many more that do not directly follow the pattern described by mekaprime. A classic romantic movie from Bollywood is Veer Zaara. It is a romantic movie with a difference.

KoiceReloaded:

Bro, his relationship with his mom was real. The one that he imagined was the relationship he had with his neighbor, okay?


I gave you detailed explanations that alluded to that, bro. FFS.


A special bond with a female worker that wasn't an affair, while he was married?? C'mon bro, stop reaching. It's a ridiculous notion.


Two different things, bro. Logically, A MARRIED man of the house can't/won't just sign a photograph of his young FEMALE staff, using his initials. Initials is a private thing that is only reserved for family, close friends and LOVERS. Signing Alfred's photograph like that would be completely normal. Alfred was a close friend and, more importantly a MALE, you grab?


Now, you're reaching again. Pulling fictions from the air that didn't exist in the film. Pertaining to the bolded, Arthur Fleck was mentally ill, and thus, anything shown from his perspective should be taken with a grain of salt. He's what we call an unreliable narrator.

Like I said in my earlier post, she was never mentally ill nor abused Arthur, taking into account that CPS won't allow her to retain guardianship if she was.



Bro, stop saying this. There is no evidence that points to Arthur being adopted, except the adoption papers. Every other evidence points to the contrary. The devil is in the details. Watch the film again, and pay attention to all the points that I raised.

JeromeBlack:



Koicereloaded, you have tried. Some people cannot just be reasoned with.

It is left for him to google reviews of the film to see what everyone is saying.

KoiceReloaded:


Lolz. The niggah stubborn gan. He likes to argue against the grain.

Funnily enough, the gentleman that portrayed Thomas Wayne confirmed in an interview that Thomas Wayne did have a physical relationship with Penny, and that he was the one that put her in an asylum.

Nova15:


Is it good? I almost downloaded it last night, but I downloaded klaus instead.

KoiceReloaded:


Lolz. The niggah stubborn gan. He likes to argue against the grain.

Funnily enough, the gentleman that portrayed Thomas Wayne confirmed in an interview that Thomas Wayne did have a physical relationship with Penny, and that he was the one that put her in an asylum.

urahara:


You sef you get time for argument.

As soon he stubbornly refused , I just left him.

No time for mumu arguments and long epistle.

Baba just dey shout case closed , case closed !!

Something that is on internet sef.

abduleez1:


I Couldn't have said it better.

What's ironic is that this formula was invented by Paramount (Transformers movies). While Disney gets richer and hold sway in the entertainment market, Paramount seems to be fading out of existence.

It's even interesting realising that Paramount could have own Marvel, and they dumped them including DreamWorks. Now they in deep shit, fighting for survival. At least they got a lucky break, with Mission Impossible: Fallout, and seems set for profit this year with decent hits Crawl, Rocketman and Dora and the Lost City of Gold.

abduleez1:
Black Adam gets a 2021 release date!!!!

Seems WB is going for blood. Crazy strong line up man.

The Batman......... 25th June (few days after yours truly Birthday )

The Suicide Squad........ 6th August

Black Adam.......... 22 December

Seems WB wanna get their 3 DC line up a year. This is juicy, keen on how this pans out.

PS: Release dates are subject to change.

KoiceReloaded:


Gritty films like Joker is how WB can compete with Disney. Make dark movies that Disney can't. Offer something different, and make sure they're good. Believe me, people will see them. Joker is a testament to that.

And do you know the craziest thing? Joker didn't get a China release, and still grossed $IB! Incredible, isn't it?

urahara:


What's your review about Joker ? Did you enjoy it ?

KoiceReloaded:
Joker

Often, when movies are overhyped, they culminate into a dumpster fire. Joker is one of the few times I truly appreciated the hype. This film is DARK. With masterful directing, awe-inspiring acting from Phoenix, brilliant OST and cinematography, the plot is crafted in ways to make a person feel dirty, and very uncomfortable. It's hard to watch at times, very cringey, but all so mesmerizing, that you'd be hard pressed to blink an eye. In short, it's an emotional rollercoaster in that it's very emotive and dynamic.

Overall, it's a masterpiece, and one of the best movies of the year IMO. It's an astonishing story that calls for more... a sequel, perhaps? I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of Phoenix's Joker, we may well see him in one of the new Batman films... I can but dream!

8.9/10

JeromeBlack:

Simple google would have saved him this embarrassment, but unfortunately, he is a stubborn goat.

KoiceReloaded:


Lolz. The niggah stubborn gan. He likes to argue against the grain.

Funnily enough, the gentleman that portrayed Thomas Wayne confirmed in an interview that Thomas Wayne did have a physical relationship with Penny, and that he was the one that put her in an asylum.

mekaprime:


Lolz, funny enough, the niggah ain't wrong, neither are you. It just a matter of perception & POV. Even the producer said it himself, that he willingly left that aspect/part of the movie vague for the viewers to choose the narration that best suits 'em. Both sides had a very compelling argument & if you were to continue arguing till the biblical trumpet sounds, it wouldn't make a difference.

Same way I could argue that, not all physical relationship leads to child birth, or That Thomas might actually be responsible and when Penny tried the blow the whistle, she was silenced by him, or that the only real scene in the movie was the end, were Arthur was at that mental asylum & that every other thing we saw in movie was a figment of his imagination aimed at justifying himself at whatever he did.

All is clearly a matter of perception & nobody is wrong or right. According to the director, there isn't a definitive explanation & there wouldn't be any, because the whole mystery fuels various discussions, debates & theories amongst movie goers that tends to keeps the movie in the spotlight.

mekaprime:

Lolz, funny enough, the niggah ain't wrong, neither are you. It just a matter of perception & POV. Even the producer said it himself, that he willingly left that aspect/part of the movie vague for the viewers to choose the narration that best suits 'em. Both sides had a very compelling argument & if you were to continue arguing till the biblical trumpet sounds, it wouldn't make a difference.

Same way I could argue that, not all physical relationship leads to child birth, or That Thomas might actually be responsible and when Penny tried the blow the whistle, she was silenced by him, or that the only real scene in the movie was the end, were Arthur was at that mental asylum & that every other thing we saw in movie was a figment of his imagination aimed at justifying himself at whatever he did.

All is clearly a matter of perception & nobody is wrong or right. According to the director, there isn't a definitive explanation & there wouldn't be any, because the whole mystery fuels various discussions, debates & theories amongst movie goers that tends to keeps the movie in the spotlight.

J2381:
it's becoming obvious we have a lot of narrow minded individuals in this thread bro and on the internet.

I use to think the DC and Marvel fan boys are the narrow minded ones but heck bro...

KoiceReloaded:


I reviewed it last month or so. I loved it.




Unfortunately, I learnt right after my review that Joaquin Phoenix doesn't do sequels. What a shame, cuz I would pay a pretty penny to see his version of Joker again.

KoiceReloaded:


Gritty films like Joker is how WB can compete with Disney. Make dark movies that Disney can't. Offer something different, and make sure they're good. Believe me, people will see them. Joker is a testament to that.

And do you know the craziest thing? Joker didn't get a China release, and still grossed $IB! Incredible, isn't it?

urahara:


Baba has started changing mouth o.

He is now saying he may do a sequel.

KoiceReloaded:


I hope they will make all of them R-rated. It's the only way they than compete with Disney shill media.

KoiceReloaded:

Geez bruh... don't be a sour grapes.

KoiceReloaded:


I reviewed it last month or so. I loved it.




Unfortunately, I learnt right after my review that Joaquin Phoenix doesn't do sequels. What a shame, cuz I would pay a pretty penny to see his version of Joker again.