The gimmick move for the female vote doesn't seem to be sitting well with the GOP faithful

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/30/palin-booed-for-mentioning-hillary-clinton/

4 Play:

This is why you are a mooncalf. Your proof that the National Socialists are right-wing is a quote noting that Nazis are "widely deemed far rightists". . . never mind that there is nothing in their political philosophy-belief in the free market,low taxes,smaller Govt,moral conservatism;all articles of faith for the right-which marks them as right wing. You are obviously a dolt.

Look at this idiot trying to push the Nazi's to the left. . . . the observed wisom is that Nazi's are right-wing. . . . do you think the rednecks in the South know much about economic policy and the big government/small government argument?. . . . the Republican party is an amalgam of different people. . . you must take responsibility for the racists amongst you just as much as you take credit for your free market views.

Let us look at Nazism on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi

The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is generally considered by scholars to be a form of fascism, and while it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its alliances on the political right.

4 Play:

By the way,whatever happened to your claim that Jews are ''very conservative'', oaf?

Did I contradict myself? Jews are naturally conservative. . . .I am sure they would rather vote Republicans based on their moral values. . . .but the Republican brand is tainted with racism so no way.

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Is this slowpoke suggesting that Asians haven't suffered any discrimination at the hands of whites? What about Jews who are prospering without the helping hands of the Govt,did they not suffer to?

Yeah, the reparations and the continued support of the Israeli state did not help at all. Look at this oaf!

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I'm sure that this cretin is unaware that proportionally,more Irish people suffered from slavery than Black people yet there has been no helping scheme to get them back up,yet,Irish people outperform non-Irish Anglo-Saxons in all aspects of life.

When wind blow, fowl nyash dey open.

Look at this idiot comparing 40 years of Irish enslavement to 400 years of black enslavement. How much population does Ireland have? If you divide 100,000 Irish slaves by the number of people in Ireland, you will will still get a higher proportion than 15,000,000 divided by the African population. That is not counting the x millions that also died on the voyage. . . .duh! Africa has a very large population. This is absolutely ludicrous!

Not to talk of the apartheid that followed slavery.

The only Mathematical comparison we can have is (Irish slaves/Poulation of USA) : (Black slaves/population of USA). . let us see what ratio we get there. . . . what do Africans in Africa have to do with this?

Not to mention that later Irish immigration in the 1700's made the Irish the strongest political group in USA. Every American President has had Irish ancestry. . . . and you are here claiming discrimination on their behalf. Thunder fire you!

You are here comparing the largest white population in USA to the black population. ******shakes head******

If someone told me the quote you just spewed was culled from KKK literature, I would not disbelieve. Shameless self hater!

Of all the Asians in America now, what proportion are descended from slavery and apartheid - compare that to the proportion of blacks. Drop in the ocean. Yeah, I see - mathematics is not your strongpoint.

You just said Asians are overperforming all their counterparts - yet you contradict yourself by claiming that blacks are taking their jobs due to affirmative action. Be consistent and stop spitting political dogma. Cretinous oaf!

Since you are claiming that discrimination is no excuse for Black underperformance, you must be indirectly implying that Blacks are lesser creatures. Since, these black Americans are drawn from the same West African stock as you are, and since you claim that discrimination is no excuse, we can take away the psycho-social effects of slavery and apartheid and lets just call these people what they are - West Africans! So West Africans are not good enough to do anything productive eh? Or do you blame it all on 'affirmative action' which has helped a lot of them increase their standard of living and move up the social ladder? The bible teaches me that mental bondage can last for generations, hence God allowed all the Israelites generation who were enslaved in Egypt to die in the wilderness.

Keep eating your Republican manuals without questions.

Even the free market needs Government assistance in todays economy. Thank God I recognise that no political philosophy is set in stone and I am happy that the Government intervened. Based on your free market doctrine, maybe you would like to suggest that Government shouldn't have intervened? There are many grey areas in politics, my friend - cretins like you don't seem to understand that, only clinging to political dogmas. Another obvious grey area is the overlap between redneck voters and the Republican party. 

4 Play:

Only dolts like you want the Govt to give you a helping hand.Is the Govt going to give you a brain transplant to make you less of a slowpoke?

I have never claimed Government assistance in my life and I don't believe in it. If you want to discuss the merits/debits of the Welfare state, we will have to do it in the right context. I am anti-welfare, yet I recognise the need for it if properly implemented for the very weakest. Again, these are grey areas which your 2-dimensional mind is too limited to understand. You would rather cling to stonewall political dogmas. You seem to be confusing 'welfare' with 'positive discrimination' . . . chalk and cheese.

4 Play:

Look at this cretin. You made a false claim that the South always votes Republican;if you had limited that to the Presidential elections,that will be closer to the truth;but your dishonest self had to rewrite the facts.

Are we not talking about Obama/McCain?. . . .Ewu!


This conversation is done. Save your narrow arguments for willing ears.

what did u expect? i am still shocked to see so call republicans in their bid to stay in power kill this nation. at least i have survive without NEPA before, i like to see americans survive after McCain has finished the country. more surprising is the nigerians that come on this forum carrying republican flag and talking points, is it blind loyalty or just plain demonstration of idiocity

ProTools:

The gimmick move for the female vote doesn't seem to be sitting well with the GOP faithful

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/30/palin-booed-for-mentioning-hillary-clinton/

na2day?:

more surprising is the nigerians that come on this forum carrying republican flag and talking points, is it blind loyalty or just plain demonstration of idiocity

Both.

Look at this idiot trying to push the Nazi's to the left. . . . the observed wisom is that Nazi's are right-wing. . . . do you think the rednecks in the South know much about economic policy and the big government/small government argument?. . . . the Republican party is an amalgam of different people. . . you must take responsibility for the racists amongst you just as much as you take credit for your free market views.

Let us look at Nazism on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi

Being the inveterate dolt you are, you resort to Wikipedia in a desperate attempt to justify a false claim. The question is not who Wikipedia says the National Socialists formed most of their political alliances with but whether the Nazis themselves are ''firmly on the right''. What in national socialist political philosophy marks them out as firmly right-wing? Apart from their strong nationalism,something which is hardly the preserve of the right,can this slowpoke name one single thing which marks out Nazism as right-wing?

As for rednecks not knowing the finer details of conservative philosophy,for an ignoramus who can't dissect political philosophies in your own words,I have higher regard for their appreciation of politics than I do for you. You are the same idiot who claims that National socialism-secular and state corporatist- is rightist and your proof is a desperate copy and paste job from Wikipedia telling us who they formed most of their alliances with. One day some idiot will come and tell us that Binis are Awoists because it is widely deemed they formed most of their alliances with Yorubas.

Did I contradict myself? Jews are naturally conservative. . . .I am sure they would rather vote Republicans based on their moral values. . . .but the Republican brand is tainted with racism so no way

''Jews are very conservative'',''Jews are naturally conservative''. . . . all statements of a shameless ignoramus. I know when you googled it,you would have found your claims to be totally unfounded but you persist in your ignorance. Everyone knows that outside of Israel,Jews are overwhelmingly liberal but one dolt insists on peddling blatant falsehoods.

Yeah, the reparations and the continued support of the Israeli state did not help at all. Look at this oaf!

This is the logic of a swine. Supposing that all Jews received reparations,how does that explain their overachievement in areas such as science and academics in general? Given that Jewish overachievement predates reparations and the state of Israel,you have to be a retard to ascribe a cause-reparations/aid to Israel-as leading to a prior pre-existing effect-Jewish overachievement. You have singlehandedly gutted the laws of cause and effect.

When wind blow, fowl nyash dey open.

Look at this idiot comparing 40 years of Irish enslavement to 400 years of black enslavement. How much population does Ireland have? If you divide 100,000 Irish slaves by the number of people in Ireland, you will will still get a higher proportion than 15,000,000 divided by the African population. That is not counting the x millions that also died on the voyage. . . .duh! Africa has a very large population. This is absolutely ludicrous!

40 years of Irish enslavment? Lets see. . . .from the shipment of Irish slaves to Barbados in 1627 to the last shipment of Irish slaves in 1841,only a retard will refer to that as 40 years! Since when did 2 centuries of slavery constitute 40 years? There are only 3m people in Ireland,the slavery of Irish people affected them more proportionally than the slavery of black people. What is more,you dolt,the Irish never sold their fellow Irish people. Africans were eager participants in the slave trade,which why it is called a slave trade. Were you not the same swine glorifying Ijaw raids as testament of Ijaw military prowess. . . .a putrid retard.

Not to mention that later Irish immigration in the 1700's made the Irish the strongest political group in USA. Every American President has had Irish ancestry. . . . and you are here claiming discrimination on their behalf. Thunder fire you!

Every American President has Irish ancestry ?. . . .this mooncalf never stops with his beer-parlor analysis. Please,quickly run to Google and try and redeem your bone-headed self.

Of all the Asians in America now, what proportion are descended from slavery and apartheid - compare that to the proportion of blacks. Drop in the ocean. Yeah, I see - mathematics is not your strongpoint.

The question is how do you explain why Asians trounce whites regularly without the Govt giving them a leg up? What has the absence of slavery/apartheid got to do with underachievement? A spurious causal link manufactured by a slowpoke. Do you think Korean didn't suffer outrageous discrimination from their neighbors. . . .do you know what colonisation by Japan feels like?

Since you are claiming that discrimination is no excuse for Black underperformance, you must be indirectly implying that Blacks are lesser creatures. Since, these black Americans are drawn from the same West African stock as you are, and since you claim that discrimination is no excuse, we can take away the psycho-social effects of slavery and apartheid and lets just call these people what they are - West Africans! So West Africans are not good enough to do anything productive eh? Or do you blame it all on 'affirmative action' which has helped a lot of them increase their standard of living and move up the social ladder? The bible teaches me that mental bondage can last for generations, hence God allowed all the Israelites generation who were enslaved in Egypt to die in the wilderness.

Mr idiot,the fact that a people are currently underachieving doesn't necessarily mean they are either the victims of discrimination or lesser creatures. Idiots like you are crudely simple minded. Compared to Jews,other whites are underachievers,that doesn't mean they are lesser creatures than Jews or have suffered more discrimination than Jews. . . that will be absurd to conclude.

West Africa is a bastion of underachievement(why did you leave black rule to go live with whites in the West?). There used to be a time Europe was behind Africa,that didn't mean Europeans were lesser or more discriminated against. Such is history and there are far more complex explanatory factors than an idiotic discrimination/inferiority aetiology.  

I have never claimed Government assistance in my life and I don't believe in it. If you want to discuss the merits/debits of the Welfare state, we will have to do it in the right context. I am anti-welfare, yet I recognise the need for it if properly implemented for the very weakest. Again, these are grey areas which your 2-dimensional mind is too limited to understand. You would rather cling to stonewall political dogmas. You seem to be confusing 'welfare' with 'positive discrimination' . . . chalk and cheese.

 
Dolt,don't try to sound intelligent when you are clearly not. The personal history of a nonentity like you is of no concern of mine since anyone can claim rubbish on the net.

The practical consequence of any positive discrimination is that the less qualified will get certain things at the expense of the more qualified,many of who(like Asians)have nothing to do with historical injustices. There are mountains of evidence,some involving court cases,where Asian Americans have been denied what they are qualified for on account of some dumb scheme to benefit ethnic minorities. If you think inter-racial relations will improve by sanctioning a culture of mediocrity,you are a gratuitously imbecilic individual.

PS:I forgot this bit:

Are we not talking about Obama/McCain?. . . .Ewu!

Lets see,you first claim that the GOP always win the South,shown this is a barefaced lie,you now stupidly claim that you were talking solely at the Presidential level. Well,the fact that the Democrats trounce the GOP in the South should consign to the dustbin any suggestion the GOP has a monopoly of their vote. Like many claims you have had to retreat from over the last 24 hours,this should put paid to such horse hockey from you.

Save it. Barcelona are playing their first match of the season.

Why not type in "right wing Nazis" into google - 2880 responses

Type in "left wing Nazis" - 1050 responses.

What is the received wisom?

Ibime:

Save it. Barcelona are playing their first match of the season.Why not type in "right wing Nazis" into google - 2880 responses

Type in "left wing Nazis" - 1050 responses.What is the received wisom?

You are such a dolt. Anytime you are asked to discuss something on its merits,you resort to claiming that the opinion is widely held. The absurdity of that should be apparent because a widely held ignorant belief doesn't assume validity because it is widely held. If most non-Blacks think blacks are less intelligent,that wouldn't make it right.

Simple task,dissect National Socialist principles and lets see how many of them fit into the left/right divide. Any intelligent person should be able to do that.

Look at this fool arguing with received wisdom:

The German Workers' Party , the forerunner of the Nazi Party, espoused a right-wing ideology, like many similar groups of demobilized soldiers. Adolf Hitler joined this small political party in 1919 and rose to leadership through his emotional and captivating speeches. He encouraged national pride, militarism, and a commitment to the Volk and a racially "pure" Germany. Hitler condemned the Jews, exploiting antisemitic feelings that had prevailed in Europe for centuries. He changed the name of the party to the National Socialist German Workers' Party, called for short, the Nazi Party (or NSDAP). By the end of 1920, the Nazi Party had about 3,000 members. A year later Hitler became its official leader, or Führer.

@Idiotic Ibime

Look,I can copy and paste too:

There is abundant evidence, what is more, that the Nazi leaders believed they were socialists and that anti-Nazi socialists often accepted that claim. In Mein Kampf (1926) Hitler accepted that National Socialism was a derivative of Marxism. The point was more bluntly made in private conversations. ``The whole of National Socialism is based on Marx,'' he told Hermann Rauschning. Rauschning later reported the remark in Hitler Speaks (1939), but by that time the world was at war and too busy to pay much attention to it. Goebbels too thought himself a socialist. Five days before the German invasion of the Soviet Union, in June 1941, he confided in his diary that ``real socialism'' would be established in that country after a Nazi victory, in place of Bolshevism and Czarism.

We might as well stop debating and see who can outdo the other in copying and pasting. When you are ready to actually dissect Nazi principles and discuss them in your own words,tell me. Any idiot like you can copy and paste.

Ibime and 4play, at a point, i started loosing the substance of your arguments because i was looking out for the one with the most wicked vitriols. 

cgift:

Ibime and 4play, at a point, i started loosing the substance of your arguments because i was looking out for the one with the most wicked vitriols. 

2 hot-headed lunatics having a go. . . . very soon the brickbats will change to binomial coefficients. 

lol.

The right wing is quick to shift communism onto the left. . . .but they distance themselves when people shift fascism onto them. . . . . the fact is that any individual who defines himself along such political lines is misguided. . . like Chris Rock says, people should not put labels on themselves. . . .when it comes to fiscal policy and moral conservatism, I am fully with the Republicans. . . small government, free market (with good regulation), anti-abortion, heterosexual relationships. . . I'm with all of that. . . . .but when it comes to the nasty racist attitudes of many of their supporters, I run a hundred miles. . . religion, right to bear arms, pseudo-racist TV election campaigns. . . leave me out of that . . . . also Republicans tend to look at mere economic facts when making political decisions. . . .sometimes, the human factor is just as important. . . .certainly arguing against positive discrimination in South Africa circa 1991 and USA in 1961 is a vote-loser with me. . . only in America are the two parties divided along a hotchpotch of contrasting lines. . . . .you will not find one political party that follow all your values. . . .thats why I tend to favour personalities over parties. . . and Obama is the one!

The meanings of left - right are so fluid, it is futile trying to define them in any certain terms.

On the issue of National Socialism. . . . . . Fascists thought it important enough to try to distinguish
their economic principles form Socialists, calling it Coporatism.
Don't quote me on it though. . . .it was a long time ago in my 1st year at uni.

Christopher Hitchens used to say that the biggest achievement the Austrians ever attained was convincing the general public that Hitler is German.

I have to say that the biggest achievement of the left is dumping Nazism on the right,never mind the frequent reference to every racist crackpot as ''far-right''. I have always asked myself,what is right-wing in the views propounded by these crackpots?

Again,with the exception of nationalism(hardly a rightist preserve),there is nothing in the principles of the Nazis that qualifies as rightist. Since when did the right support centralization and public control of resources? Since when did the right espouse secular anti-Christian rhetoric? Since when did the right start describing themselves as socialists?

Strangely,much of the literature in the late 30s and early 40s described the Nazis for what they are,however,once the horrors of the Holocaust and the general evil of Nazism dawned on everyone,Nazism metamorphosed into a right wing organisation.  

Even more bizarrely,there have been attempts to dump Communism,given that Stalin/Mao killed far more than Hitler,on the right. Alas,such attempts at historical revisionism have been negated by the compelling force of reality.

History tells us that racists abound in both ideological divides. In reality, the right/left divide is an arbitrary divide originating from the seating arrangements in the French parliament after the French revolution. However,to the extent that this imprecise divide exist,no honest analysis of the National Socialists' philosophy would place them in the right's camp. I'm yet to meet any person who actually can justify why the Nazis are described as right-wing. Like any meme,it follows the saying that if you tell a lie often enough,it becomes the "truth".

I have to say that the biggest achievement of the left is dumping Nazism on the right,never mind the frequent reference to every racist crackpot as ''far-right''. I have always asked myself,what is right-wing in the views propounded by these crackpots?

4Play,

Im wondering why you asked that question, is it to get a response or just to clear the thought out of your mind? That is rhetorical! It is like asking, why do people that hoard gold bullions and coins out there preaching to the rest of public to invest stocks and shares or worse, to save money in the bank and carry credit card for spending?

You are ideological and I think sometimes you fail to understand that, removed from newsfeed and google a lot of people that pride themselves as intelligent are truly illiterates. Save your energy and enlightenement for debates with enlightened souls.

Negro, I hope you ain't refering to me before I rain thunder on your bloodclot. 

Nazism is dumped on the right simply because the opposite of left is right. Hitler and Mussolinin ran on an anti-communism platform - so the opposite of communism is the right-wing. The fact that right wing groups allied themselves to Nazi's does not help at all either. Again, this fits in with the tendency of the right to look at things in stark economic terms, rendering themselves almost heartless.

Phock Christopher Hitchens. I met him once in Maida Vale. He couldn't even greet. So I see 4Play reads the Daily Mail. . . . you need to graduate to The Times.

i hope naija politicians are seeing how politiking is done.

credibility and foresight well blended.

Gustav may have forced the Republicans to postpone their convention. How will this affect the party?

Sly-k , how r u?
@ Topic
I doubt if this ploy will work for McCain; let's see what happens in the next few weeks.

@Ibime

Hitch writes for the Daily Mail? How can you confuse an intellectual colossus like Christopher Hitchens with his far less cerebral brother,Peter Hitchens? It's like confusing Rio Ferdinand with Anton Ferdinand;Xabi Alonso with Mikel Alonso. No insult a Balliolian o.

I'll reply the rest of your post when I'm off work.

grand jedi:

     Sly-k , how r u?
@ Topic
I doubt if this ploy will work for McCain; let's see what happens in the next few weeks.

Why conclude it is a ploy? Would he have had a better chance if he had picked a man? or a well-known republican? Is that what McCain has been about?

@4play

Well, there is enough within National Socialism to distinguish it from its Communist rivals particularly from
an economic standpoint.

Yes National Socialism rallied a nationwide industrial effort as did the Communists in Russia, but with one fundamental
difference. The German effort was mobilised with the aid of private industrialists, most notoriously Volkswagen. The industrial
revolution in the Soviet Union was almost totally under the auspices of public mandarins and no hint of private profit.

that's a right choice. some xtics in obama are in her as some xtics in mccain are in joe biden

Negro, I hope you ain't refering to me before I rain thunder on your bloodclot.

**Ooohh, I'm scaaarrrred, out of the way hurry, let me hide under the bed 'fore Ibime catch up with me, ooohhh, for the life of me!**

Look here pardner, if that hat fits your head wear it. In fact, I want you to snap it on and knot the strings as well; heck, velcro the fasteners together so it stays put in place I respect a person that can take a piece of information, dissect it for what its worth, filter out the dogmas and underlying codes and present a logical and intelligent conviction in a pro or con style that fits into the context of the subject matter. If all you are going to do is relay newsfeed from google and blogsites, yes I am talking to you and like I said I hope you fasten the hat on snugly.

A reminder, next time you want to scare me, come up with something more deadly than a thunder.

4Play.

I think you've done a great job here. One of the best short dissections of the political bent of German National Socialism that I've seen in a forum discussion.

I totally agree with you that Nazism was not "right wing" per se, but I do disagree that it didn't have more right wing tendencies than you claim - for example, the aim to return to historical traditional values (however misinterpreted by Hitler and his cronies) must be seen as a brand of conservatism and therefore right-leaning. I give this as just one example - there are others, and, because of this, it's not hard to see why a casual onlooker may see Nazism as right wing. I would also respectfully argue against your statement that Hitler espoused anti-Christian rhetoric. His argument with Christianity seemed to be aimed at the institute of the Catholic Church rather than at the religion itself and therefore it would be hard to tell if his views on the subject were left or right.

Incidentally, on reading Mein Kampf, one can't help but view Hitler as a right-winger purely by the language and manner that he uses although this didn't always translate into Nazi Party policy. That said, he contradicts himself so many times in it's pages, it's difficult to get any true sense of his political leanings!


Summararily, I would personally say that Nazism cannot sit on either the Left or the Right - it was a hybrid mish-mash of policies and as such contained elements of both.

Bastage:


Summararily, I would personally say that Nazism cannot sit on either the Left or the Right - it was a hybrid mish-mash of policies and as such contained elements of both.

Well, what political movement sits neatly in its own left or right corner? It derives from the pragmatic nature of politics
that policies do not adhere to any definite assignation.

What is important for the political scholar, is to identify the salient point of disagreement between the relevant movements
under study.

Negro_Ntns:

**Ooohh, I'm scaaarrrred, out of the way hurry, let me hide under the bed 'fore Ibime catch up with me, ooohhh, for the life of me!**

Look here pardner, if that hat fits your head wear it. In fact, I want you to snap it on and knot the strings as well; heck, velcro the fasteners together so it stays put in place I respect a person that can take a piece of information, dissect it for what its worth, filter out the dogmas and underlying codes and present a logical and intelligent conviction in a pro or con style that fits into the context of the subject matter. If all you are going to do is relay newsfeed from google and blogsites, yes I am talking to you and like I said I hope you fasten the hat on snugly.

A reminder, next time you want to scare me, come up with something more deadly than a thunder.

Look at this olodo. . . I am am just playing with you and you are bringing fire and brimstone into it. . . . oya, carry go, Republican Arrow.

obama biden. sumthing like osama bin laden(LOL)

Gustav really dealt a blow on RNC and pocket of protests also recorded.And that Mrs McBush "show" seem too plastic.

I detest Republican and what they stand for

kay_pumpin:

obama biden. something like osama bin laden(LOL)

I tire for this election, for real.

kay_pumpin:


I detest Republican and what they stand for

that makes me, u and every other person with a brain in their head. the republicans are a bunch of hypocrites

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I believe the pick is a perfect choice for McCain, even though I was hoping he would go for Mitt Romney.

Palin happens to be one of the very few conservatives out there who has been actively fighting against wasting spending in Government. She is just like McCain in that area, and the fact that she happens to be a woman, makes it even more interesting.
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Abeg, tell all this Obama-maniacs for Nairaland o.  What's more, the people she fought against are in the SAME party as she is!  

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Wonderful logic. So because his opponent has a supposedly inexperienced running mate,that makes up for wanting to be an inexperienced President.

Even then[b],Palin has more executive experience than Biden and Obama combined [/b]

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Gbam!  A fact that all the Obama-maniacs choose to ignore or just plain ignorant of!  Everyone is rooting for Obama because they see him as the potential first black president
(despite the fact that he's equally as white as he's black) of the United States despite his lack of qualifications and his somewhat poor decision making (his association with Rev. wright for example).  Personally, I feel there should be a third party in the US. because both the Republicans and the Democrats are the same status quo of the old politics.  The only difference is that one believes in limited government (which makes logical sense) while the other believes in big government that pretty much mandates what you can and cannot do (so much for freedom).  

By the way, isn't Obama suppose to be the candidate of change? So, making Biden (mind you he's been in the senate for donkey years now) his running mate indicate a change?  I don't think so!  What a joke--it's going to be the same ol' politics of increased spending and higher taxes.  On a final note, I'D just warn you all not to underestimate the brains of the Republicans because this Palin move is one of the many strategic moves I can see coming from them.  Has everyone forgotten the 2000 election (Floriduh! anyone).  Oh, how about 2004?  How they used the fear of national security and the evangelical votes to shut down Kerry.  I forsee more aces up their sleeves cause they're just too smooth for the divided Democratic party at this point. Peace!

Look at this olodo. . . I am am just playing with you and you are bringing fire and brimstone into it. . . . oya, carry go, Republican Arrow.

Ibime, how certain are you that, in all that rant, I was not just kidding with you?