Tayo-D:

@Ibime,
So for political expediency, you will go against your conscience? besides, isn't the Govt meant to secure the right to life according to the declaration of independence? una do o.

Tayo-D:

Tell me, who has criminalised or intend to criminalise homosexuality?

Tayo-D:

How about encouragin people to bear the responsibilities of their actions? The cost of taken care of the babies will be borne by the parents through special taxes.

Tayo-D:

The principle is very clear. No cruel and unusual punishment. If you take a life, your life should also be taken.

4 Play:

America will deal with the consequences of pro-life policies the same way Ireland has dealt with it. Ireland today enjoys a better standard of living than most European countries,including Britain,notwithstanding the presence of "unwanted babies".  

4 Play:

Ibime, The Destroyer of Facts. No fact is an obstacle in making a point.

Tayo-D:

Why then are you forcing your polarising belief on me? Why should you force me to accept abortion?

There is no iota of evidence that the products of unwanted pregnancies are a net economic burden. Not one.

Funny that you attribute most of Ireland's successes to the 'unwanted' babies blossoming. . . . that is the most ridiculous political correlation anyone has ever drawn. . . . the reason for Ireland's success is simply joining the EU and the inevitable economic kick that comes with that; cutting corporate tax; and immigration of high skilled workers, including returning Irish. . . .  not to mention goodwill from America. . . . you will find that a lot of microchip companies are based there now. . . . quite a few native Irish are still low educated and poor. . . .I suspect that is the demographic from which a lot of these abortions come from. . .

Please take it up with allafrica.com if you disagree.

In Anambra State , for instance, abortion has been legalized, in fragrant violation of the Criminal Code, under the deceptive euphemistic expression: 'Women's Reproductive Right". This is one bitter pill many Anambra citizens cannot swallow. But it is true: abortion is now legal in Anambra State . The law came into force on 17th March, 2005 when Professor Brian Adinma was the commissioner for Health, Anambra State . Section 6 (a) of the law states that "the view of the woman shall be taken into consideration for decisions: on the number, timing and spacing of the children " Prima facie, this phrase may sound laudable. But section 6 (a) is substantially similar to article 16(e) of the controversial Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW).

Tayo-D:

You don't get it do you? laws are not made to criminalise people to maintain law and order while upholding the constituion. You still haven't old me sho is criminalising homosexuality o. Last I checked, the disagreement is on homesexual marriage.
Why then are you forcing your polarising belief on me? Why should you force me to accept homosexual marriage and abortion? This is where the constituion take pre-eminince and the principle that "your right ends where muine begins". The woman has no right to kill that life.

khai_khai:

Btw, I am anti gay marriage.

Bastage:

LOL. And you claim to be living in the UK. A country where single mothers are a dozen a dime. And where they cost the state a fortune. And you're telling me there's no evidence!!! If single mothers here weren't granted abortions the system would be totally bankrupt within a year. And get this: America is no different!!!

LMAO. I'm in the UK too, dude. Don't try to tell me that a problem doesn't exist when I see it every day!!!!

Bastage:

LOL. And you claim to be living in the UK. A country where single mothers are a dozen a dime. And where they cost the state a fortune. And you're telling me there's no evidence!!! If single mothers here weren't granted abortions the system would be totally bankrupt within a year. And get this: America is no different!!!

LMAO. I'm in the UK too, dude. Don't try to tell me that a problem doesn't exist when I see it every day!!!!

4 Play:

You asked how Republicans are supposed to cope with unwanted babies given that they are supposed to increase public expenditure. What I have done is shown you that having strict laws on abortion,as Ireland does,doesn't lead what you have said.

4 Play:

This another problem you have. Copying and pasting without figuring out for yourself. If the writer's opinion is that Sec 6(a) is tantamount to a legalisation of abortion in my home state, it will amount to sheer idiocy to proclaim it to the public as a fact.

Ibime:

It doesn't change the fact that it is a ridiculous comparison. You could have drawn any country out of the hat. I wonder why you didn't pick Nigeria as an example.   . Everybody knows the reason for Ireland's resurgence. You don't have to kid us with your propaganda. You took it too far this time man. . .  

Yes, I figured out that it was a backdoor move to pass it into law for reasons of family planning. . . . still, as long as a woman can claim that it interferes with her individual rights, that makes it legal right?. . . . as a lawyer, you should know that British government passes all sorts of bills through the backdoor. . . .

Ibime:

4Play, do you agree with death penalty for abortion?

If not, how many years (or months) sentence would you give to a woman who aborts her baby?
I am still waiting o! You must answer this one today.

Well I did say 99% . . . perhaps you're in the 1 objective %, but it seems guilty conscience betrayed you here

Perhaps you are drunk. It's Friday so I'll let that pass. I suggest you buy a sense of humor. where's the guilty conscience in laughing and making fun of these people? save that gibberish for someone else.

Long story . . . "christians" my foot! I suppose excusing fornication and having 17yr old pregnant but unmarried daughters is your idea of Christ-like attitude. Everyone can claim to be "christian" . . . its the republican gambit.
Bush came to office too clinging his gideon's bible.

Tell him to go to Tottenham, Peckham, Brixton, any of these. . . .

4 Play:

There is no evidence that prohibiting abortion hinders a nation's economy and comparing Ireland with it's next door neighbor illustrates the point.    

4 Play:

The same penalties that apply in Ireland.

Kobojunkie:

So, if I am anti-gay marriage and there is a call to cast a vote for or against it, I should not vote?

Where is the evidence that unwanted babies are a net economic burden? Don't use beer parlor analysis for me.

The benefit system here actively encourages teenagers to have children out of wedlock. They know they'll get a house and a state income. To pretend otherwise is just an utter joke.

No. Ireland is the completely wrong test case for this assertion because other overwhelming factors contributed to Ireland's resurgence.

It is up to you to prove that keeping unwanted babies stimulates the economy, especially in a country with Social Welfare. Studies have shown that abortion lowers crime (which comes with its own cost). You have no scientific way of proving your assertions. Its just a theory.

Bastage:

Factually. The majority of abortions are to unmarried teens.
Factually. If they are forced to have children, somebody has to pay to raise those children. Who? Does the single mother pay? If you honestly believe that most single mothers pay for the raising of their children without financial help from the state then I have to call you a liar for claiming that you live in the UK.
The benefit system here actively encourages teenagers to have children out of wedlock. They know they'll get a house and a state income. To pretend otherwise is just an utter joke.

And you keep spouting on about Ireland. As I've already told you - Irish woman who want abortions come to the UK. Literally thousands upon thousands travel to the UK each year. To use Ireland as an example is totally and utterly irrelevent.

And you keep spouting on about Ireland. As I've already told you - Irish woman who want abortions come to the UK. Literally thousands upon thousands travel to the UK each year. To use Ireland as an example is totally and utterly irrelevent.

Ibime:

That is the difference between a common person like you and a leader. . . . you think if everyone votes with their heart, there will be peace?. . . . leadership is all about compromise. . . .you think South Africa was ready to end apartheid?. . . . most White South Africans still believed in it. . . . if they all had to vote with their heart, Mandela would still be in Robben Island.

bawomolo:

i do think 4 play has to provide studies to show how ireland's economic group directly correlates to its pro-life stance.  i thought ireland's admittance to the EU had a bigger impact. i may be wrong
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6646629.stm

4 Play:

You seem to want to discard the burden of proof of proving an assertion you made, the drain on public spending that prohibiting abortion brings. Here is the problem you have,unless you can show that on balance,the costs of having those babies outweigh the benefits they bring to society,your point is flawed.

Let's arguendo assume that 40% of unwanted babies will develop into career criminals,that will leave 60% who are generally law abiding citizens. You may have some increase in crime but you haven't shown that the costs outweigh the benefits.

4 Play:

People are claiming that "unwanted" babies(defined as people who would be aborted if the law permits) would be a burden to the public purse. If that is the case,using Ireland as an example of a Western nation that generally prohibits abortion,can someone point out how this claim has manifested itself in Ireland?

Bastage:

@Tayo-D.

You cannot stop teens from getting pregnant by cutting off their benefits. It's just not going to happen in a modern society. Maybe it should, but it won't. The State will always provide.

As for the fathers? Yes, they go after them. But statistics show that mostly to be a waste of time. For the paltry £8 million that the Chiild Support Agency pursued through the legal system, it actually cost the UK taxpayer £12 million!!! Yet more to add to the economic burden.