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Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 2:33pm On Oct 10, 2008 |
Hey I don't want to sound like a racist. But I suppose I need to know what the criteria are by which I am told that the Germans were the most spiritually capable of getting God's truth. What qualities made them the most spiritual people? I also do not think that Jesus came to the Jewish because they were the most spiritually advanced. Far from it. And the bible (which I accept you don't take as true) says otherwise. Hitler did not mislead the Germans, antisemitism had been rife in Europe for centuries and it was especially bad in Germany from the 19th century. Every people has their good and bad points. In fact we all share are good and bad points. What makes the difference is that certain people tend to specialize in one or the other aspect of good and bad qualities. With German people it is haughtiness and competitiveness. And not even so much with foreigners. Amongst themselves they are such competitive people and such bad losers when they lose. This one I know as a consistent fact from all my dealings with them, which is a lot of dealings. I also know a fair bit about their history and their culture to know that there is nothing about them to make them more spiritually advanced than other people in the world. (again though, I'm not sure what are the criteria for judging spiritual advancement but I usually expect to see a certain meekness in spiritual people.) I had a german friend who burst into tears once over some issue. Then promptly she wiped her tears and apologised. SHE APOLOGISED!!! What for, I asked. You're upset and understandably so. She was apologising for showing weakness. That is soo typical of germans. But having said all that, I do love them as a people. justcool: Actually I never said that they were bad. I said that they were on the wrong side in two world wars and they have a horrible nationalistic history. I know their temperament well enough to make the statements I make. They are made from my experience and even Germans corroborate it. seeklove: Again, I didn't say that german's are bad!
What's the difference between patriotism and nationalism? Hitler, Nazi and the world war was just one apple. don't use one event to qualify a whole poeple who have exsisted for a very long time. Remenber that Hitler was a dictator. Racisim and racial superiority was introduced to Germans by the nazi party. I don't want to mention where Hitler leant that from. But research into it. Infact Hitler actually is not a full blooded German. Hitler has a Jewish background and some Historians say that he was actualy Austrian. He used the German poeple who were very gulible. Please research further into the issue. Okay, let's take another German icon, this time of the 19th century, Wagner. Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_controversies By the way the Nazi party was actually voted into power by the german power. It was a known fact that they would abolish democracy if they won the election. The idea of racial superiority was not introduced by Hitler, far from it. Eugenics and theories of a pure race was rife in Europe but especially big in germany where they believed that they were the original Aryans. The Blond beasts, as nietzsche (whether he meant it in a racial sense or was just interpreted as such is another matter). Many Jews would be, and are, extremely riled by the suggestion that Hitler could have had Jewish blood. Please don't mention that to a Jew. I done before and the response was not nice.
'aw lawd, we're really going off the rails now. Germany older than America!!! America was formed in 4 july 1776. Germany was formed around 1871 and was headed by a prince called Otto Von Bismarck. Before then it was made up of little principalities that all shared a common language. Bismarck was actually the one that invaded the other german states and eventually created a german empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck. Again I assert that there is nothing special about the german people that makes them merit having some special readiness for God that no other human beings had. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by seeklove: 10:41pm On Oct 10, 2008 |
@ Pastor AIO Your ignorance is outstanding. No amount of rubissh from you will justify you calling Germans generally cold and unsentimental temperament that values might and power above all else. And you dared comeback and claimed that you never called them bad. Its like saying that sombody stole from you and then at the same time saying that that person is not a thief. You may not have used the word "bad" but you infered it!. I don't know your level of education but your ignorance is astunding! Germany exsisted even during the time of the roman empire. I think the romans refered to them as Gull. Read Julius Ceacer's "gullic wars". The German empire was formed in 18 January 1871. They became a republic in 23 May 1949. But before the empire, Germany had been in exisitance for decades of years. I repeat, Germany is older than America which was born in July 4, 1776. America got their indepence from Great Britain. Germany got their indepence from the roman empire, just like Great Britain. At first they were called the Holy Roman empire, which was formed in 962. Man get your facts right! If you understand that your criterial for judgeing spiritual maturity may be different from other, then why do you call Justcool's post bolony? From what justcool posted, this is what he said: justcool: I don't see where he said that the Germans are the most spiritually advanced poeple on earth. Please if you refereing to another post, post it and lets see it. The fact that sombody cried and apologised is actually a sign of being civiliced. Even here in America, educated poeple always apologise when their emotions takes over them. It is simple cortesey. I hate it when poeple gerneralize about an entire poeple just because of a few. We Nigerians who are always victims sterotype should be the last poeple to do that. Just because you met a few Germans, you feel knowlegable enough to call the entire Germans generally cold and unsentimental temperament that values might and power above all else. It is things like this that cause racial wars and tensions. How would you feel is you are a german and come across a post where your entire poeple are discribed as cold? Germans are known for their effectiveness, and their ingenuity in biulding effecient machines, even we Nigerians have expressions like, "German engine." @justcool i am still waiting to see why the likes of Hitler and Nazism was found among the poeple "who are spiritually developed enough to receive Abd-ru-shin. And in an environment that will allow Him to fulfill His task." M_nwankwo please answere, or is Justcool wrong? |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 2:55am On Oct 11, 2008 |
seeklove: Oh boy, I tire. Let's leave it. I feel an urge to address the points that you've raised but I fear that nothing will come of it. I believe I already know your mindset now. And Nigeria has always existed too. it was called various names but it was always there abi? Let me stop before I write more than I intend to. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by justcool(m): 3:06am On Oct 11, 2008 |
seeklove: @seeklove. You have the answer already, only that you have not drawn the connection. Like I said earlier, the Germans were specially prepared for the reception of the Grail Message. Even their language was carefully guided and prepared until it flourished to a language good enough to convey the truth. In a way, one can say that they were chosen. But this being chosen has nothing to do with favoritism. People are chosen based on their development, God do not chose people based on favoritism, He chooses only people who posses the necessary soil for the mission. Thus at the time that the messager was ready to incarnate, the Germans provided the most suitable soil for His incarnation. But darkness, always struggle against Truth bringers, and always try to make their mission impossible. Thus even prior to His incarnation, darkness already knew the people that will provide the bridge for His incarnation. And in its(darkness) quest to keep humans enslaved, darkness will approach such a people and try to cut them off from their development. And finally use them(the people) to fight against the Truth bringer. Thus if you look beyond the outward physical circumstances and look into the spiritual situation, you will undersatand that the Germans at that time stood under a great pressure. In their midst, a light happening was about to take place, and as a result, among them darkness exacted its greatest strength -- to lull them to sleep so that they will not recognise the Truth bringer. One can say that they stood in between the Light and the darkness, thus they can be likened to an arena for war. God cannot take away our freewill and make us only listen to the Light. Neither can darkness take away our free will. The only thing God can do is to give us or show us His volition or His will, we are left to decided wheather to obey it or not. At the same time darkness also approaches humans and send them its volition. It is left for the human to decided which volition to obey. You will recognise the correctness of this explanation if you look around you. History shows it clearly enough. Consider theses things: (1)Hitler's rise to power, (2)his hatred for the Jews, (3)the Nazi party and what they stood for, (4)the Nazi party's struggle against Abd-ru-shin. All these are the outward forms of a great spiritual battle. I will give you a food for thought-- have you ever wondered why the Nazi arrested Abd-ru-shin, stopped His writings and had Him under surveillance until His departure from the earth. For a long time in Germany, during the Nazi regime, the Grail Message was banned. Now why did a political party fight so much against a book or Abd-ru-shin who had neither any political inclination nor intention. Why would a regime fighting a very serious war spend so much energy on just one man(Abd-ru-shin) who writes only about God and spirituality? Does this make sense? It only makes sense when one recognises the spiritual motivations behind scene. Some would say that perhaps Hitler was an atheist who didn't believe in spirituality. But this is not the case, since Hitler was s strong allay of the catholics. It is similar to what happened in the time of Christ, the Jews who were the most spiritually developed, were chosen and prepared for the reception of the son of God. While God was making his preparation, Lucifer(darkness) was also making his. The battle field was the Jews. Christ carefully chose 12 men who He instructed daily, they were His closest associates. Now in the light of my explanation you can also now ensage that those 12 men were under enormous pressure. Lucifer exacted his strongest attack on them, in order to lull them to sleep or use them to harm Jesus. The puzzle now clears about the case of Judas. People often wondered why Judas(a man specially chosen by Christ) could do such a terrible thing. The answer is that even though Judas had all that it takes to be an apostle, he still had a free will which Christ cannot take away from him. Judas gave in to the volition of Lucifer who was always trying to win the apostles. Being spiritually developed does not mean that the person can no longer do evil. As long as you are on earth, evil volition can always approach you, but it remains with you to dispel them or give in to them. You have the free will. Only in Paradise will we be in an environment completely rid of darkness and its evil volition. Thus a spiritually matured person has a responsibility to exact himself spiritually every moment, in order to remain at his high spiritual postion. Once he slacks in his spiritual exaction, darkness can win him over. Now put it all together. The Germans at that time provided the best soil for the incarnation of Abd-ru-shin. Darkness in its quest to rub mankind of this help exacted its strongest attack against the Germans. Darkness succeeded in dragging them down through its agent or representative--Hitler. But in all serious struggles between light and darkness, Light always wins. In this case too the light won! Despite all struggle against it. The message was successfully brought to mankind, today it is not banned in any part of the world and anybody is wellcome to examine it. Today there is no nation that can be called the most spiritually advanced. In all nations of the world, there both spiritually advanced people and spiritually retarded people. The earth today is not what it used to be, for today we stand in judgement of God which speeds up everything. Some are speedily heading towards distruction, while others are speedily heading towards salvation. Spiritually advanced people can be found in almost all countries of the world; because, today the Truth is made available to all mankind. Any body who lives by it will in a shorter time achieve a spiritual advancement that would have taken him centuries to achieve. People are not spiritually advanced based on their nationality or race. Only spiritual movement and recognition brings about spiritual advancement. A people that were advanced a few centuries ago, may not necessarily remain so today. Once they slack in their advancement, they will start moving downhill, for there is no stagnation in the spiritual life. You now see how ridiculous it is to attack my assertion about the Germans as being spiritually advanced then, just because of a few experiences with a few Germans of today. I hope this helps, if there is any part not clear enough please bring it to my attention. Renaming Blessed. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Nobody: 4:16am On Oct 11, 2008 |
@ justcool, thats a wonderful writeup, thanks so much for that. I've been following this discussion from the onset, but i just felt like sitting and watching, cos pilgril is a lady with a preconceived ideas concerning the message and i see it basically fruitless trying to explain things to her, there's been discussion in the past btw us even with some other adherents like HND-HOLDER, otuwe e.t.c, so i know who she is that's why i keep mute, and dont forget what the message says concerning those that allow this last opportunity pass them by cos they will never again be in this position, and the hour to find redemption is forever lost. Before the end of time, the truth must reveal itself to every creature so that there wont be any excuses on the day of judgement, evrey human spirit on earth now will at one time of teir existence come across the TRUTh, but it's now left for them to open their intuitive perception to be able to see it as it is, and if they still cant recognise it, it's simply their fault. @ seeklove, i can really see the quest for seeking truth in you, and pls dont let that be buried. The bringer of the message ABD-RU-SHIN (1875-1941), for every light bringer on earth, there always arises darkness to disturb the great work of redemption brought by this bringer, just as in the case of Jesus. Between his life time, do you just think the 1st world war (1914-1918) and 2nd world war (1938-1945) and which the germanics are all in the centre of these wars is just a coincidence? NO Anywhere a light envoy is incarnated, there's this concentration of a very high magnitude of the LORD's power around him and this also affect his surrounding. But this neutral light power, which the people also receive can be diverted in different ways depending on the free will of those concerned. It is due to high magnitude of power that gives rise t germany being at the world centre stage, they became the most powerful nation on earth then, crushing any nations standing in their way. And also trying to stop the great work of redeption which is to be found in the message being written then by abdrushin. The message is not a political book, but the authoritties in Germany then knew that it opens the mind of every individual tobe be independent, fought against communism and so many other things, so hey see to it as a threat to national unity. They made sure it didnt see the light of the day, public lectures were banned then, reading of the message was seen as a crime then, even the author was locked up and banned from further writing, and it was during this lockup period then that he made so many adjustments like, compiling the lectures into the message, and also into volumes. It's the final toughings we hsve now. It was due to the high power around him them that also affected Germany both positively and negatively, Their economy was the best then, and the ALMIGHTY himself knew then that if his envoy is still suppose to be alive during the 2nd world war, there'll be a lot of disastrous happeings in the world, due to the ruler then HITLER was being used as agent of the darkness in dealing with the lord's chosen (jews) so HE decided to take away abck his envoy in the year 1941, and shortly after just 4 years, HITLER miraculously lost the war. WILL ONE SAY THATS A COINCIDENCE? There's still mcuh to be discusss about HITLER, and am asking m_nwankwo and justcool, will that be adisable for me to do that on a public forum like this, i guess you know what am saying |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 9:44am On Oct 11, 2008 |
justcool: I've heard that argument before. According to Fela Kuti Nigeria is the most Spiritually advanced place in the world and that is why there is so much Corruption. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by olabowale(m): 1:59pm On Oct 11, 2008 |
How can spiritual alertness bring about intensed corruption? Its like having light and darkness at the same place at the same time. It is either the light was not truly there, all along. Otherwise, there will not be any sincilla of darkness. Nigeria can not be truly spiritual and yet corrupetd. I think we have to look at it from the microcozm, the individual issue. Those who are truly spiritual will not participate in corruption. There must be some of those among the poor, if none among the elites. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Nobody: 2:41pm On Oct 11, 2008 |
@ olabowale, you've said it all, the secret there is that for evry place on earth, there's always exist side-by-side both the light and darkness, the superiority goes to the group with more intense power of radiation. And this doesnt depend on population but how strong the power is in each of them. In the case of the israelites, they were the lord's chosen at that time, but that didnt remove the fact that there're some bad eggs among them. But those that belong to light supercede the opposite, and the intensity of the power in them is far higher than those that belongs to the darkness. The same can be applied anywhere, Nigeria is not an exemption. When 10 people are chosen to carry out the light task on earth and 8 people fall by the way side or become erring, or even become antagonist to the very mission they were perpared for, those 2 that remain will be given the power of the 8 others that fell away. So when those that belong to the light in Nigeria, strive earnestly and genuinely in trying to focus more on the light task on earth, very soon darkness will fade away, but the opposite is the case. The darkness is getting stronger each passing day and this is due to the lukewarm attitude of those few that belong to the Light. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 3:23pm On Oct 11, 2008 |
We need to take a closer look at that argument. justcool: Darkness exerts it's greatest strength as a result of a light happening. It follows that if one is seeking the light all we have to do is look for where there is the greatest darkness. Where there is the most evil then those people obviously must be spiritually advanced and in preparation for a 'light happening'. I can only conclude from this that if Nigeria is not the most advanced place on earth then surely it must rank in the top tier of spiritually advanced people. Please you cannot dispute that. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Nobody: 3:46pm On Oct 11, 2008 |
@ pastor or whatever you call yourself, you are getting this wrong and i can see that you are not ready to assimilate anything new from what you have already in your hands. So let the matter rest, the will of the father will judge each one according to his works |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by seeklove: 7:56pm On Oct 11, 2008 |
@justcool Thanks for a wonderful clearification. Indeed you threw alot of light on the situation for me. It all makes sense now, even the issue of Judas betraying Jesus. They have always taught me that it was God's will that Judas should betray Jesus. But I keep asking, "if so, why then was Judas cursed for betraying Jesus?" But now I know that it was not God's will but Lucifers will. The issue of man possesing free will answers a lot of question. The way I see it is this, if an enemey is about to land in Abuja airport, then the Nigerian millitery will move towards the airpot to attack the enemy. I take the jews and the Germans to represent the airport. When Jesus was born among the jews, the enemy or the devil moved towards the jews to fight Jesus. I belive, like you said that lucifer was trying to win over the disciples. And I think thats why the bible said that Jesus once said to Peter, "get behind me satan." Indeed satan was trying to use peter. I will be at starbucks coffee today, and I hope I will see you there. I havent seen you in a while, why? @enitan2002 Thanks also for a wondeful clearification. I think you amswered all the questions that Justcool gave to me as a food for thought. It makes a lot of sense, considering all the powers that the Germans possed at that time. One thing that is striking to me is how people find it imposible to be indifrent towards the jews and also the Germans. Everywhere you see a jew, there always poeple hating them extrememly and people loving them extremely. i think about things like antisemitanisim, and expressions like, "jew man" and I wonder why the jews deserve so much hatrade. And I think the same thing is happening to Germans. Even the history channel spend most of the time anaylzing the second world war, Hitler, Nazi, all these things have to do with Germany. Indeed there was a terrible power in Germany during the time of the second world war. Putting your post and Justcools post together really answers the question. Also, I want you to know that I am reading the Grail Message, but I am not done yet. @Pastor AIO Pastor AIO: I dont think that's exactly what justcool meant. I dont think justcool and fela are saying the same thing. But anyway sha, we all see things our own way. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Nobody: 8:31pm On Oct 11, 2008 |
@ seeklove, i'm so happy to hear that you are exmaining the message, my prayer is that more strength will be given to you in your seeking and also the power needed to live according to the message. So many things will become clearer to you since you've started on the right track. More Revelation will come your way soon |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by mnwankwo(m): 2:15pm On Oct 13, 2008 |
@justcool I completely agree with the detailed answer of Justcool. His submission is in accord with the Truth. There is nothing to add. Stay blessed! |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by seeklove: 12:36am On Oct 03, 2009 |
I miss those days when justcool, m_nwankwo, pilgrim 1 and other interesting posters were active on Nairaland. I go back to threads like this and read it over and over again, since today there is hardly anything intsressting in the religion forum. I wondwer Justcool, m_nwankwo, pilgrim 1 and ematan2002 where are you guys? Have guys retaired from Nairaland? I miss you guys please comeback. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Nobody: 2:44pm On Oct 03, 2009 |
@ seeklove, am always still here. How far have u gone with the message? |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by sanoosy(m): 3:33pm On Oct 03, 2009 |
Hi all,i've been following the contributions of crossbearers on this and other threads,and i must say that i'm highly impressed with their posjings especially my friend m_nwankwo who has demonstrated maturity,consistency and objectivity in answering issues without being lured into any intellectual sophistry.As a crossbearer my self i've always send thankful prayers to the Most High for the grace of coming across the Message.The first lecture already clearly address the question of whom the Message is intended for regardless of religion,race and level of education,and so the best advice one can give is that each individual should examine it himself objectively.Peace to all. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by seeklove: 6:18pm On Oct 03, 2009 |
enitan2002: @enitan2002 It is really nice to hear from you. I have finished reading the message, but I keep reading some chapters over and over again. I am now convinced of it valitidy. I used to meet justcool in a book/coffe shop here in Los angeles and we discussed a lot about the message, but at the moment I am not in Los Angles and I havent seen him in a while. But I keep reading the message because I am now convinced of thrut. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by DeepSight(m): 7:27pm On Oct 04, 2009 |
Wow, i have read the whole of this thread and i must say its a brilliant debate. Very interesting, the suggestions on Hitler's real role in History. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 9:02pm On Oct 04, 2009 |
seeklove: It's been a year and I was so knocked out by the above that it's taken me a whole year to get together to respond. I believe that the Holy Roman Empire is not Germany. In fact the Holy Roman Empire still exists today and it is called Austria. Before then it was a massive empire that covered most of western Europe and was created by a guy call Charlemagne. The Gauls were a tribe in Europe that spread from France to parts of Germany. HRE (holy roman empire) was set up by Charlemagne who was a Frank. The Franks were another tribe that lived in France (guess were the name France comes from) and what is today called Germany. Europe was full of so many different tribes. To call any of them the German nation sounds ludicrous to me, but then as you say, my 'ignorance is astunding!'. Perhaps it was just out-stunned -ed. Mind you America has existed as long as Europe and it has had inhabitants for as long too. the Mohicans, The Mohawk, the Iroquois, the Maya etc. Does their existence mean that the US and Mexico existed before the Roman Empire? And . . . Germany did not win independence from the Roman empire to become the Holy Roman Empire. The western part of the Roman empire had already fallen to the Visigoths and the Vandals so the german tribes and all the other european tribes were already free in blissful barbarity. Centuries after the fall of Rome (Rome fell a few years after adopting christianity, so we are looking at the 4th century) the Pope colluded with a Frankish Prince called Charlemagne to create another empire. This was in the 10th century. I hope that this history lesson is of use to all who read it and were not aware of these facts in the first place. Please check these facts and get back to me to tell me if I 'got my facts right' this time and previously. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 9:08pm On Oct 04, 2009 |
ps. This statement generally cold and unsentimental temperament that values might and power above all else.is not a value statement. Calling something 'bad' is a value statement. If there is a line of inference that links the two then it exists solely in the head of the person making the inference. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by olabowale(m): 12:30pm On Oct 05, 2009 |
@PastorAIO: « #32 on: October 10, 2008, 02:33 PM » Hey I don't want to sound like a racist. But I suppose I need to know what the criteria are by which I am told that the Germans were the most spiritually capable of getting God's truth. What qualities made them the most spiritual people?Will the bolded not be going against the grains of the statement of Jesus where he said "I was not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? Who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel? Who are in the hosue of Israel? Are anyone apart from the 12 nations of the Children of Israel? I dont think so. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by olabowale(m): 12:37pm On Oct 05, 2009 |
Can a single soul be both and is there a need for God to have a son, like man who needs this in order to further his presence on earth and among creations, until God brings upon Judgement day, the hour that Jesus and others before him and Muhammad (AS) after him, including Jibril's confession about it, do not know? The lack of knowledge of the time of this Hour is enough to indicate that these entities are not part of God in any authority, except His errant personalities, each serving as servant his purpose between God and man! Why cheapen God's Uniqueness by associating Him with His creation as a father to any of them? You have no authority and it is the saying of your own desire! |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Krayola(m): 1:22pm On Oct 05, 2009 |
olabowale: I think that post you quoted said God did not choose the people of Israel BECAUSE THEY WERE THE MOST SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED. He never claimed he couldn't have chosen the people of Israel, just that the reason was not because they were all that and a bag of chips, spiritually. olabowale: Why should God need a prophet, why not just reveal himself to everyone and make life easier? The core of this is that why should God NEED to do anything in the first place? God's need for a son is no less ridiculous, IMO, than his need for his messenger, a church, mosque, to get his ass caressed, and to threaten humanity, that he loves dearly, with some future final judgement. It is that he NEEDS single individuals to carry his message across the world , especially when it can't be done without warfare and loss of innocent lives that is ridiculous. Your beef is that God can only have messengers and not sons? Why limit your great God to what makes "sense" to your human mind? You choose one way to limit God's decision making capabilities over another, and want the world to agree that your preferred method of God's revelation is better than someone else's? I'm not sure I understand what exactly your point is. . .if I'm missing something please explain. . . |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by justcool(m): 11:15pm On Oct 05, 2009 |
seeklove: Seeklove. I'm still here but just observing. In most of the threads in this forum, I have nothing to contribute. I try to only contribute in threads that deal with serious and meaningful issues, and why my contribution will have an effect. I will use this opportunity to say "Hi" to the posters on this thread, especially to "Deep Sight" who asked a very important question to m_nwankwo in another thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=329171.msg4617627#msg4617627. I could hardly stay away from posting on that thread but I had to because m_nwankwo correctly answered your question. I hope you quest is not just out of curiosity, but genuine seeking. I wish you strength!!!! Regards to Pilgrim 1, m_nwankwo, enitan2002, olabowale, Pastor AIO, and etc. Keep up the good work and lets not tire on our quest towards the light. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Nobody: 5:01pm On Oct 07, 2009 |
@ justcool, nice also to know you are still here. @ all, Does anyone know the reason why the MOSLEMS dont beleive JESUS is the son of GOD? This is simply the reason. During the time when Jesus was with the disciple, he let them know of his status that he's the son of GOD. But the disciples understand him not. Cos Jesus speaks not in an earthly sense but of the spiritual, and since the disciples are not really well matured in the spiritual sense, they understood the word SON OF GOD in an earthly sense. Jesus do tell them then, that he would have loved to teach them lot of things but they wouldnt understand them then. So when jesus left the face of the earth, and the time for early christianity, there was a lot of wrong paasage of the status of the word SON OF GOD, and also since MOHAMMED whom also came from the spiritual world, he couldnt agree with the way of understanding the Xtian missionaries had about the word SON, that was when he came out to say that GOD is ONE, no one conceive him not and he didnt conceive any son. He explained that too in an earthly sense. But in the spiritual sense, he himself knew the status of JESUS. But his disciples will also understand him not too. Even the JEWS during the time of MUHAMMED dont even beleive in JESUS, till this very moment. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 4:42pm On Jun 25, 2012 |
seeklove: @ Pastor AIO I stand by the 'unsentimental' and add that far from making them bad it is what gives them their strength in ways that the British don't have. seeklove: Pastor AIO: Seeklove and I posted some historical inaccuracies there. Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor on christmas day 800AD not in the 10th century like I said. Germany, or more accurately, the lands beyond the Rhine river and the Danube river was never under the rule of the roman empire. This was called the land of the Barbarians and was inhabited by savage germanic tribes. These peoples poured westward into the Roman empire after it weakened and could no longer keep them out. That brought about the end of the western Roman empire. Gaul, present day France, was within the Roman empire as was Britain (up to Hadrian's wall). Quite rightly Julius Caesar conquered Gaul and made it part of Roman empire. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PastorAIO: 4:42pm On Jun 25, 2012 |
seeklove: @ Pastor AIO I stand by the 'unsentimental' and add that far from making them bad it is what gives them their strength in ways that the British don't have. seeklove: Pastor AIO: Seeklove and I posted some historical inaccuracies there. Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor on christmas day 800AD not in the 10th century like I said. Germany, or more accurately, the lands beyond the Rhine river and the Danube river was never under the rule of the roman empire. This was called the land of the Barbarians and was inhabited by savage germanic tribes. These peoples poured westward into the Roman empire after it weakened and could no longer keep them out. That brought about the end of the western Roman empire. Gaul, present day France, was within the Roman empire as was Britain (up to Hadrian's wall). Quite rightly Julius Caesar conquered Gaul and made it part of Roman empire. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Nobody: 11:05am On Jun 09, 2015 |
I found the contributions of justcool and m_nwankwo very refreshing to my spirit. Wow. |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by moderatorr1: 3:54pm On Sep 03, 2015 |
Ndipe: 1. Grail adherents should first prove that God exists in the form they express "him". In effect, they should first prove that the creator is not also the creation. That is, to prove that nature is not the same as God. If they propose that for something to exist, it must have been created, for something to have been created, there must have been a creator. Cool, since the creator exists, who created the creator? who is the creator's creator. This will lead to an infinite recursion which makes no sense. 2. Then we can go into looking at if Jesus is God, the son of God, or just a wise philosopher who could do a few "miracles" like some pastors of today do. This is impossible to establish because, First, the existence of God has to be established. Then the form of God has to be established. We can then establish that the form of God is a "he" that can impregnate a virgin and have a kid who is itself again (God the son) 3. Then they have to proceed to establish the existence of the devil, and existence of garden of Eden and proof that first man(adam) was a white skin born somewhere in the middle east as painted by the Abrahamic Religions. There is a stiff opposition here because science has strong evidence that early man appeared somewhere in Kenya. Emphasis on the 'strong'. If these can be established, then i can accept the grail message and preach to anyone to do so. Otherwise, they should just living in assumptions made by a man who wrote a book using clever words and called it the grail message.
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Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PMIcon(m): 1:31pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
Many taught by deceiving spirits claim to be speaking on their own authority, say they believe in Jesus but the Bible did not present him correctly. The REAL author of grail message and the REAL author of the Qur'an are the same. Just that the messengers have different methods to achieve the same mission. mnwankwo: |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by PMIcon(m): 7:22am On Apr 30, 2016 |
The Son of God and The Son of Man are the same and to Him the Father has committed all jugdement-- not the Holy Spirit-- ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD HIMSELF. In JOHN 5:24-29a Jesus said: 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. 28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out..." (NIV) Every author that does not speak in line with the how the Bible interprets itself-- having been written by through several authors by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit-- that author is a liar, even if an honest but deceived one. justcool: |
Re: Who Is The Son Of God And The Son Of Man To The Grail Message. by Ndipe(m): 7:52am On Apr 23, 2018 |
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