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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Smooth278(m): 11:15am On Jul 01, 2014
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NO Nigeria is not a failed nation but alot of Nigerians are failed people... Greedy at heart. What do doctors have to do with medical lab instruments? Why in God's name should people who are supossed to be very passionate so concerned about themselves. Check out the pay of all medics and para medics you'll find out that we are blessed.

Please always seek for clarification when in doubt...

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Smooth278(m): 11:21am On Jul 01, 2014
barcanista: what's the ðiff btw our physicians and nurses?
Both can't perform "surgery". How many surgeries has our "surgeons" perfo®med without Éxporting patients to India?

Pls stop exposing your ignorance in public... if u or anyone close to u needs to have a surgery done, would you choose to go to a quack or see some one qualified
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by luvola(m): 11:22am On Jul 01, 2014
Please who knows wether the strike will affect
doctors working in Lagos state teaching/
General hospital. please this is urgent
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by drobadebayo: 11:28am On Jul 01, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

Don't compare Nigerian over-bloated, overrated Doctors with Physicians abroad. M.B.B.S is not an international standard for Physicians (Doctor of Medicine) is. Google it

I'm not trying to rubbish your Bachelors' degree, but we must enlighten the public with our pens, no matter whose ox is gored.
OK sweetheart.it all depends on your country,commonwealth countries use MBBS or MBChB as deir first medical degrees while MD is used in the United states.so yes they are all of international standards.As far as first degree is concerned MD,MBBS,MBChB,MBBCh,BMBS are all d same.difference is if u went to med skl in US,u get an MD,in ibadan u get MBBS,ife u get MBChB(if dey r still using that system)

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by phantom(m): 11:30am On Jul 01, 2014
MissMeiya: I heard about this yesterday when I found out my uncle is ill. The doctor told him they were preparing to go on strike, so he couldn't help him, but prescribed some medication instead. I almost cried. If anything happens to my uncle, my grandmother will just slump. I'm so scared and angry and upset.
so sorry love, but the situation truly can't be helped.its a pity indeed.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by bobcharly(m): 11:42am On Jul 01, 2014
bushdoc9919:

Bar, the man

Few weeks ago, I was on call , and I was called to the bedside of a diabetic man with diabetic ketoacidosis. (Google for it). I immediately placed him on intravenous fluids, and wrote out orders for his drug treatment. Now my aim in treating this patient was to rehydrate him and to control his blood sugar...which I did. We also investigated him for infectious disease. He recovered and was sent home with some advice on drug compliance ( the cause of his ketoacidiosis was that he stopped taking his anti-diabetic drugs several weeks earlier)

Now that is beyond just 'first aid.'' We not only got his blood sugar under control, we also got him preppped for life when he is discharged.

Now , that isn't just first aid!
(P.S--He is one of many cases of diabetic ketoacidiosis/hyperglycemic emergencies that I have seen over the last two years working in a busy private hospital in urban setting here in Nigeria).
...i like this guy..calmly explaining things to angry barcanista...doc welldone jare...but still we dont understant the reason for the strike..e no make sense..
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Nobody: 11:43am On Jul 01, 2014
drobadebayo:
OK sweetheart.it all depends on your country,commonwealth countries use MBBS or MBChB as deir first medical degrees while MD is used in the United states.so yes they are all of international standards.As far as first degree is concerned MD,MBBS,MBChB,MBBCh,BMBS are all d same.difference is if u went to med skl in US,u get an MD,in ibadan u get MBBS,ife u get MBChB(if dey r still using that system)

Thanks for the 'sweetheart'. Hope are a lady though. grin grin grin

Australia is a commonwealth country and they understand that M.B.B.S is not an International standard for Medical Doctors, that's why they are replacing it the M.D program. pls follow link

www.som.uq.edu.au/about/organisation/doctor-of-medicine-degree-(md)-at-uq.aspx

Let's say things the way they are.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by drobadebayo: 11:52am On Jul 01, 2014
Now back the situation on ground,i hate strikes.beliv me or not all doctors do.think abt it,after spending 7years in med skl,a year of internship,anoda year of youth corps,and at least anoda 6years postgraduate training to eventually become a consultant in wtaeva field u specialize.u cn neva find joy in not getting to treat patients because of strikes.now someone who either did a 2/3years diploma in nursing or did a B.Sc for 4/5 years,1 year MSc and 3 yrs of PhD wants to get the same benefits or even worse,wants to be your boss.m sure ur not gonna fold ur arms and watch all in the name of nobility.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by sexylogan(m): 12:05pm On Jul 01, 2014
naijamd: How can Nigerian Doctors continue this mudslinging with Joesu for this long. Whatever happened to negotiating for the best interest of your members, without looking over your shoulders and preventing others to negotiate a better deal for themselves...

If doctors think they are superior to all other health care players they should prove it with some class, not by striking over ridiculous demands...
"A King who has to remind his subjects he is the king, is no king at all" Tywin Lannister

Going on strikes because non-doctor medical personnel want to start assuming the tittle of consultants is beneath sane doctors...
After-all what is in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet..

Joesu members should also strive to remember that though they are important members of the health care team, the leadership of the team in the front lines are the doctors, enough of doctor bashing and more focus on patient care...

Finally our government in tolerating strikes like this, is foolish and inept, there has to be punitive measures to discourage strike actions, elsewhere on the planet when workers go on strike, they get paid by their unions for the duration of this strike but not in Nigeria, even ASUU members were paid 6 months arrears for the entire duration of the strike. Why would unions not strike all the time if they have nothing to lose.

There have to be some doctors out there who are ashamed of the antics of the NMA



I am one of those doctors. It's an unfortunate situation, and I am not in support of this strike. There are better ways of driving home our point.

It's a bit petty fighting JOHESU like this. But for now, I'm on annual leave and I pray the strike is called off before 8th July when I'm supposed to

resume work. God help us.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by drobadebayo: 12:08pm On Jul 01, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

Thanks for the 'sweetheart'. Hope are a lady though. grin grin grin

Australia is a commonwealth country and they understand that M.B.B.S is not an International standard for Medical Doctors, that why they are replacing it M.D program. pls follow link

www.som.uq.edu.au/about/organisation/doctor-of-medicine-degree-(md)-at-uq.aspx

Let's say things the way they are.

Lol m not a lady oo.#nohomointended
D issue with MD and MBBS is that in those commonwealth countries that award MBBS,they hv a research degree sort of(MD) like PhD,that is no longer a first degree.MD in US and Canada is not d same as MD in Scotland I hope u know.MD in scotland is a research degree like PhD while in US it's d same as MBBS,a first degree.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Medicine

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by sexylogan(m): 12:09pm On Jul 01, 2014
barcanista: To hell with those touts in NMA and NARD. Government should implement the No Work-No Pay policy.

Bunch of Glorified First Aid caregivers.





Bunch of cowards

A fish monger in the market can be taught first aid in some hours. With that knowlege, all u can do is convey an injured person to a

health facility to be seen by professionals. Doctors arent goin about this right, but comparing us to first aid givers is like comparing Real Madrid

FC to Zamfara United FC. I rest my case.

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by ssultana(f): 12:18pm On Jul 01, 2014
barcanista: my ffriend th physicians are by far worse than the academics. What significant achievement have they made apart from exporting patients to India? Even the VC of Uniben had to be flown out for ordinary food poisoning.



If they like they should permanently withdraw their services

Looooool!!!! U actually think he was flown out because the doctors in Nigeria who treat dozens of more complex cases daily couldn't treat his food poisoning?? FYI, those top notch individuals don't fancy being treated in this country be it a minor sun burn or a major heart surgery

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by sexylogan(m): 12:21pm On Jul 01, 2014
ssultana:

Looooool!!!! U actually think he was flown out because the doctors in Nigeria who treat dozens of more complex cases daily couldn't treat his food poisoning?? FYI, those top notch individuals don't fancy being treated in this country be it a minor sun burn or a major heart surgery

Please tell him again...
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by skabber2: 1:01pm On Jul 01, 2014
Smooth278:

The lab instruments in question are things for IVF in-vitro fertilization which is done by Drs and only doctors, so y do u call them greedy when someone wants to use politics to give the importation rights to another group who don't have any business with them...

Pls always seek for clarification when in doubt...

Mr man, obviously you don't know nothing. is IVF in-vitro fertilization same as in-vitro diagnostics (reagent test kits,
chemicals and equipment) Anyway, CBN has asked you to go to court.You can approach the nearest one.

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by nathanomochi(m): 1:07pm On Jul 01, 2014
well said @phantom,that's more than a comprehensive review.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by chookudi(m): 1:13pm On Jul 01, 2014
Its a pity things have taken such a turn in our health system. Now permit me to address some issues here. I am a proud pharmacist who trained and schooled in LUTH and if u have ever been to college of medicine idi-araba, u'll know how close ALL students (medicine, pharmacy, physiotheraphy etc ) are during and after school years which gives me a good insight into the different facets of the health workers. Now concerning the consultancy issue, let me state without bias or prejudice that it is wrong and uncalled for for the doctors to oppose that for several reasons some of which i will highlight using the angle of the pharmacist as a prime example
Firstly, the consultancy status of a pharmacist is an international practice in several countries of the world like the USA, UK and Australia. You may begin to wonder what the job of this consultant pharmacist is so i'll try to explain. Now a consultant medical doctor is a specialist in his/her field. The human body is very complex and cannot be understood completely by any one person hence the need to "divide" the its knowledge to lesser parts so that each part or area can be more wholly and completely understood hence you have consultant cardiologist (heart), consultant dermatologist (skin), consultant neurologist (brain) etc. Of course more often than not each of these consultants require drugs for his/her patients and we all know that the pharmacist is the expert in drugs. Now there are thousands of drugs worldwide and the pharmacist being the expert is supposed to know MOST if not ALL about these drugs- side effects and adverse reactions, dosages, contraindications, pharmacodynamic and -kinetic interactions, etc. Is it realistically possible to know all these? the answer is NO. just the same way it is impossible for anyone man to understand the human body. So it is only logical that drugs required for the various aspects of medicine are broken down into smaller subunits to enable a firmer and wholistic grasp of the total knowledge of these drugs hence you have a consultant cardiology pharmacist whose duty is to work with a consultant cardiologist in nurturing the patient back to health especially as the focus of the work of the modern day pharmacist moves from the drug to the patient (pharmaceutical care). Being a pharmacist is much more than dispensing drugs to a patient. That is how pharmacy started but fortunately has evolved to a patient centred approach. This is actually what some doctors refuse to accept. I used to work at the University College Hospital (technically i still do). and I know the value of a well trained and excellent pharmacist to the doctors. There have been many instances where doctor-pharmacist interactions have averted some situations which may otherwise have been fatal.
I would also like to point out that the doctor in my opinion is the head of the medical team and primarily responsible for the patient. This is not to demean other health personnel and should not be seen as an avenue to look down on the others.
Secondly, contrary to what some people here are saying about doctors going through all the long years in school and others going through less years yet clamouring for certain rights, its not entirely true. A newly qualified pharmacist spends "just a year less" than a newly qualified doctor and infact pharmacy students in UNIBEN spend exactly the length of time doctors spend in medical school. Granted that to be a consultant entails a minimum of 6 extra years, a consultant pharmacist spends a minimum of 4-5yrs to attain consultancy level after undergoing several courses in attainment of fellowship status of the West African postgraduate college of pharmacists. While not taking anything away from the doctors, it also shows that the gap in years spent is not as wide as stipulated.
lastly concerning the issue of CMD, i have always been of the opinion that the best and most qualified CMD would be a medical doctor WITH ADMINISTRATIVE qualifications. This is to say if a doctor has these and other health workers have these too and all other "factors are constant", a doctor will be the best choice. However if other health workers have these qualifications and the doctor does not have ADMINISTRATIVE qualifications, then the CMD post should be given to the former. My two cents
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by omicron(m): 1:13pm On Jul 01, 2014
Skybaby: This is stuped and is only in nigeria that some one with first degree(MBBS) parades him or her self as Doctor and preventing a Ph.D holder from answering so. Physicians go to hell with your demand.
That awkward and misleading moment when a Lab scientist approaches one in a hospital and says: ''Hi, I'm Dr Bankole Peters, and I will be.....bla bla bla''

It is not a Nigerian thing too

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/health/policy/02docs.html?pagewanted=all&module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Bollyfag: 1:13pm On Jul 01, 2014
Smooth278:

The lab instruments in question are things for IVF in-vitro fertilization which is done by Drs and only doctors, so y do u call them greedy when someone wants to use politics to give the importation rights to another group who don't have any business with them...

Pls always seek for clarification when in doubt...


Really?Yet, so confident despite his ignorance...so pitiable! Anyway, the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) issued a circular authorizing the Medical Laboratory
Science Council of Nigeria (MLSCN) to approve licenses for the importation of In -Vitro Diagnostics (IVDs), and not IVF only as wrongly portrayed here. These include all reagents and materials used for diagnostic works. Same dummies who repeated classes in medical schools are the same class who come out to make the most disturbing noises. Empty heads!
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 1:15pm On Jul 01, 2014
Skybaby: This is stuped and is only in nigeria that some one with first degree(MBBS) parades him or her self as Doctor and preventing a Ph.D holder from answering so. Physicians go to hell with your demand.



Pls read and understand issues before commenting.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 1:16pm On Jul 01, 2014
harmonyedwards:

Phd my foot!!!
The earlier that sinks into your head, the better.
No one prevents the other from acquiring the doctorate degree.
What is my business if you are a 'doctor of battery', so long as u dont intend to apply your services to treatment of humans.
We dont care!
The only aim is to ensure that the teeming number of nigerians are not preyed upon by fakes; cos in the end, it is the medic that battles to save their lives after they have been mismanaged by crooks masquerading as providers of orthodox health care.



Thank you for dishing out free education

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Nobody: 1:17pm On Jul 01, 2014
justyn4real: I can see how some pple speak without using their senses. U must b a member of johesu or relative. Doctors are human, they have family and children to take care of, and not rendering services and being paid peanuts. It is senseless for a nurse to seat in the hospital grow fat for 15yrs cleaning wounds and want to b a consultant. Pls illiterate check the meaning of consultant in ur dictionary. Ask which country in the world u see nurse being a consultant.
hey dude I'm not member of the health sector. In fact I don't have relative in Johesu but NMA.
You guys wil do the Nigeria Society good by withdrawing your full service permanently and allow the country to breed a new generation of physicians that understand their roles.

Shame on you.
Btw wat is yur business if other professionals decide to provide their members opportunity to rise to the level of Consultant in THEIR own field?
What gave you dumfvcks the impression that "docs own patients"? Senseless dude
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by enodamade: 1:19pm On Jul 01, 2014
In JOHESU we trust! That doesn't include my family and friends sha. Not to forget my faithful enemies.

Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Nobody: 1:22pm On Jul 01, 2014
ssultana:

Looooool!!!! U actually think he was flown out because the doctors in Nigeria who treat dozens of more complex cases daily couldn't treat his food poisoning?? FYI, those top notch individuals don't fancy being treated in this country be it a minor sun burn or a major heart surgery
u are ryt....



All the surgery you naija docs perform on newspapers and social media? Or the ones done in india?
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by leo1234(m): 1:24pm On Jul 01, 2014
brownlord:

@bolded what do you mean? Look can you show me a doctor that is jobless after graduating from school? Even though you guys don't earn much but you are okay, why we have engineers, educationist, business administrators roaming the street with no job, look this is the problem I have with Nigeria, why do you want to compare yourself with doctors abroad when we are in Nigeria, when ASUU was coming up with their demand last year and the govt. Told them is not achievable most of Nigerians said the govt. Is heartless ASUU had their way and the result is now increment of school fees passed on to the masses and the same masses blame the govt. What happen to sowing coat according to our size.

What do you mean increasing funding for health care and we leave other sector, you think doctors are the most important, are our military men not lacking in equipment do you think it's easy to fight a terror group as boko haram with expired AK47? Will you be happy if the soldiers return to barracks because they are ill equipped? Evn though they are saying they lack equipment you still see them putting their best to crush BH then what happen to doctors demaning plate numbers, and fighting over a title, professionals, even tout won't so that.

We are our problem, everybody talk about govt, mean while who are the govt. You as a doctor, you are the president and governor to your patient in your hospital, as a lecturer you the goodluck and fashola to the student in the school, we fail in our duties and expect the politicians to do magic
True talk.
But what do u expect when the reward system in our country is very bad. The law can't protect the common man. Nigerians have decided to start rewarding themselves. Just look at those old pensioners, people are diverting their billions every month and nobody is doing anything about it. Even the ones that were caught were bailed with coins.
When super eagles were agitating for match bonus people said they were greedy but the truth is that if they had kept quiet that money might be diverted. Look at what happened to the supporters club.
Sometimes I wish Nigeria was still under colonial rule.

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by maschivok: 1:26pm On Jul 01, 2014
NMA AND HER EGOCENTRIC DEMANDS: THE HEIGHT OF GROSS LAWLESSNESS, IMPUNITY & BLACKMAIL
BY
BENJAMIN CHUKWUNONSO AJUFO
In an open letter written to the secretary to the Federal Government of Nigeria, Senator Anyim Pius Anyim, on the 10th of June and sent to him on the 11th of June 2014, the Nigerian Medical Association (NMA) under the leadership of Dr. Kayode Obembe as President and Dr. Adewumi Alayaki as secretary had written 24 demands that must be urgently met. They have given the Government a 14-day ultimatum, failure of which NMA would call her members out on an indefinite strike nationwide. NMA is made up of ASSOPON- Association of Pathologist of Nigeria, MDCAN - Medical and Dental Consultants of Nigeria, ARD-Association of Resident Doctors and smaller sister Associations, who are doctors in public and private practice. For many years, Allopathic Medical Doctors in Nigeria have always hoodwinked the Government and the general public, through falsehood and blackmail. They have coerced the Government to take unfavorable decisions which have always been detrimental to the health sector and the Nigerian populace. They have continually done this as a result of the structural injustice that has been perpetuated by many members of NMA in high places in Government. They undermine the laws setting up the hospital system, the Public Service Rules and above all the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. At this juncture let us have a critical look at those demands.
(1) APPOINTMENT OF THE POST OF THE DEPUTY CMAC IN HOSPITALS. In line with the University Hospitals (reconstruction of boards) cap U15, LFN 2004 commonly called decree 10 of 1985 which governs Hospital practice in Nigerian, there is the office of the CMAC but it never provided for the office of the DCMAC. In section 4, it provides thus; “there shall be for each Hospital, a Chairman of the Medical Advisory Committee who shall be appointed by the Board and responsible to the Chief Medical Director for all the Clinical and Training activities of the Hospital”. Section 2i provides that; the CMAC is a member of the board. There is no place in the organic law setting up the hospital that created the office of the DCMAC and there is no place it says that only Allopathic Medical Doctors should be appointed as such. Yet NMA is insisting that the Government must appoint four DCMAC in every Teaching Hospital and three in every Federal Medical Centre. All along, Boards of Hospitals as a result of threats from NMA have been allowing this illegal office to be used to undermine statutory approved Scheme of Service of other professional groups. The Public Service Rule in section 1-general in 160101 provides; ‘A Parastatal is a government-owned organization, established by statutes to render specified service(s) to the public. It is structured and operates according to the instrument establishing it and also comes under the policy directives of government. In line with 160201 (a) statutory boards/council shall set operational and administrative policies in accordance with government policy directives and supervise the implementation of such policies. A situation where Allopathic Medical Doctors in Nigeria wants the Government to continue to create post and responsibilities not backed by statutes undermines the principles of good governance. It is gross violation of the law setting the Government owned institution. Moreover, it is trite law that you cannot add to a statute. That will be ultra verse.

(2) NMA IS OPPOSED TO THE APPOINTMENT OF DIRECTORS IN HOSPITALS. It should be noted that this statement is laden with deceit as postulated by NMA, that having Directors in hospitals will affect patient care negatively. This is fallacy of the highest order. The truth of the matter is, NMA does not want professional departments as directorates in the various Scheme of Service, rendering professional duties like the department of Pharmaceutical Services headed by the Director of Pharmaceutical Services who is a Pharmacist. Department of Nursing Services under the Director Nursing Services, who is a Nurse. The Department of Medical Laboratory Services under the Director of Medical Laboratory Services, who is Medical Laboratory Scientist etc.And all are answerable to the Chief Medical Director. It should be noted that, NMA and her members were the ones who negotiated their present Scheme of Service that all their members can rise to level 17 without being called Directors. Other Healthcare Personnel have continued to follow their own Scheme of Service where only one person gets to level 17 and is designated the Director, which is the most popular path in the Public Service. Again in the criteria for employment as stated in the Public Service rule in 020205,-“to be eligible for appointment into the federal Public Service, every applicant must 020205(e) possess requisite qualification as provide in the Scheme of Service.” The Scheme of Service of all other Healthcare Personnel in the hospital provides for a Directorate system. Now NMA and her members want to go on strike for Government to jettison the Public Service Rule which is a Government Policy Document. The Scheme of Service for Allopathic Medical doctors provides for a non Directorate system. AND NO PROFESSIONAL GROUP IMPOSES HER OWN SCHEME OF SERVICE ON THE OTHER. SECONDLY NO EMPLOYEE DETERMINES THE CONDITION OF SERVICE OF ANOTHER EMPLOYEE. They are agitating for this in order to entrench professional imperialism, so that all other healthcare staff will not reach the zenith of their career. That is the singular reason, a doctor on level 15 is called a Head of Department heading someone already on level 17 and is designated a Director .This is gross absurdity against the Public Service Rule. There is no Government Institution in Nigerian where such is seen, only in our Hospitals. And that is what NMA wants to perpetuate. Rule 160103 of the Nigerian Public Service Rule provides –“Parastatals are to retain and improve existing rules, procedures and practices in their establishments and ensure that there are no deviations from the general principles contained in the Public Service Rules………………………………however in the absence of internal rules and regulations on any matter, the relevant provisions of the Public Services Rule shall apply”. This can also be seen in section 5(5) and 17 of the act governing hospital practice in Nigeria. NMA’s demands are anti- Public Service Rule.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by omicron(m): 1:26pm On Jul 01, 2014
barcanista: hey dude I'm not member of the health sector. In fact I don't have relative in Johesu but NMA.
You guys wil do the Nigeria Society good by withdrawing your full service permanently and allow the country to breed a new generation of physicians that understand their roles.

Shame on you.
Btw wat is yur business if other professionals decide to provide their members opportunity to rise to the level of Consultant in THEIR own field?
What gave you dumfvcks the impression that "docs own patients"? Senseless dude

You do not understand.

Someone has to take the ultimate responsibilty.

Who do we sue when we get mismanaged? The Hospital. The doctor.

These are the standards all over the world.

Never seen Grey's Anatomy? cheesy
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by maschivok: 1:36pm On Jul 01, 2014
(3) NMA DEMANDS THAT GRADE LEVEL 12 SHOULD BE SKIPPED BY DOCTORS.
This demand is not in line with Government approved Scheme of Service for Doctors.NMA in her usual falsehood has always accused JOHESU members of skipping when in actual sense there is nothing like that. The term is a misnomer this is because skipping is when a Civil Servant moves from a grade level to a higher grade level that is not provided for in the Scheme of Service e.g. when a worker moves from 8-10 and there is no approval for such a special promotion ,this is skipping. But when you move from 10- 12 this is not skipping because this is provided in the Scheme of Service and there is no level 11 in the Scheme of Service. A baby physician enters the Service on level 12, which is a principal grade. Now NMA is insisting that they must be appointed on level 13, which is an Assistant Chief Cadre. Haba! How can a beginner enter the Civil Service on an Assistant Chief Cadre? There is no Nigerian worker that enters the Service on such grade. There is no Nigerian Civil Servants that skips. This is not provided in any known Nigerian scheme of Service.
(4 ) APPOINTMENT OF OTHER MEDICAL PERSONNEL AS CONSULTANTS.
NMA is threatening to go on strike because the Government has chosen to obey Court judgment in favour of other Health Personnel that they can also be appointed as consultants in their chosen field. In a false sense of well being, NMA insists that they own the patients and as such only the medical doctor can be called a Consultant. Nobody owns the patient; rather the patient is the epi-centre of Healthcare Service. Medical doctors are just one of the professional skilled healthcare attendants in a hospital, attending to the healthcare needs of the patient. Each medical personnel are given a license to practice their chosen field. The various scheme of Service for Pharmacists, Physiotherapist, Nurses, Medical Laboratory Scientists etc provides that they can be appointed as consultants. All over the world, it is not only Allopathic Medical Doctors that are appointed as consultants. A simple google search will show that there are different consultants in the Health Field. The word consultant is not an exclusive term to designate Allopathic Medical Doctors who are specialists. William A .Cohen, PhD, in his bestselling book “How to Make It Big as a Consultant” has this to say on pages 2 and 3. “Consultants operate in many different fields. Import-export, management, human resources, engineering, and marketing are some of the more common ones. There are consultants in archeology and consultants in clothes selection. There are even consultants to help authors overcome writer’s block.” On page 3 he has this to say. “A consultant is simply anyone who gives advice or performs other services of a professional or a semiprofessional nature in return for compensation”. NMA wants to stop working because other Healthcare Personnel are appointed as consultants. Is NMA saying that they are the only Professionals in the Health Field?
(5) RELATIVITY IN HEALTH SECTOR
On what basis is NMA still agitating for relativity when at the point of entry this has been taken care of and resolved based on the number of years one spends in school. Those who spend four years have their entry point as level 8,those that spend five years on level 9 ,those that spend five years with one year of internship on level 10,while those that spend six years with one year internship on level twelve. The agitation for the so called relativity is discriminatory and violates the Nigerian Constitution as stipulated in section 34-(1). NMA insisting that this must be sacrosanct in the Health Sector is on what basis? It should be noted that members of NMA are just employees of the Government, just like every other Civil Servant, and as such no employee determines what another employee is to be paid. It is never done anywhere in the world. This is a sense of megalomania, and so this jack of all trade mentality must stop.
(6) NATIONAL HEALTH BILL.
NMA is calling for the implementation of the National Health Bill which has been shown to contain a lot of clauses that are anti-people. Many professional Associations, Civil Societies and well meaning Nigerians have called for the removal of these obnoxious sections of the Bill. But NMA in the bid to actualize her set selfish agenda has refused to give good reason a chance. Again some part of the Bill undermines the Nigerian Constitution in use in a Federal System of Government. No Nigerian Health Worker is against having a Health Bill but all we are saying is that in order to meet Government set objectives to enhance the total wellbeing of the citizenry the obnoxious sections has to be expunged.
(7) THE APPOINTMENT OF SURGEON GENERAL.
This office is not created by law. There is no Nigerian statute that says that we must have the office of the Surgeon General. Creation of this office will lead to more agitation and anarchy in the Health Sector which is already polarized. Every professional group will be agitating for the creation of X-general, e.g. Pharmacist general, Nurse general, Optometrist general, Radiographer general, Physiotherapy general, Dietician general; Medical laboratory scientist general etc. The creation of this post will lead to more problems in the health sector. Secondly of what role and benefit is the office of the Surgeon general when we already have two Ministers of Health and there are many Directors also having such functions?
(cool THE ENTRY POINT OF HOUSE OFFICER TO BE ON COMMESS 1 STEP 4
This level is equivalent to grade level 10 steps 4. On what is this agitation predicated on, when such entry point is not supported by any Scheme of Service, used as one of the criteria for appointment into the Public Service of the federation? It should be noted that house officers are intern or Pupil Medical Doctors. There is no intern in Nigerian that enters the service on step four. Moreover, steps are indicators of the level of experience or years the person /officer have spent on that grade level. On what criteria is a neophyte/green horn in his profession placed on step four? What you have is either step one or step two. Government should not accede to this demand that undermines ethical procedural practice in the Public Service.
(9) CLINICAL ALLOWANCES FOR HONORARY CONSULTANTS TO BE INCREASED BY 90% OF CONMESS.
Early this year, under the immediate past President of NMA, Dr Enabulele, NMA had had an upward salary increase for their members. Not up to 5 months, NMA is now calling for another bloated allowance. Note that consultants are meant to render quality service as Attending Physicians, but what do we see daily in our hospitals? Most of the times, the “consultants/honorary consultants” are never around. Yet they want to be paid such a jumbo allowance. Those that are around, work four times in a month, having one clinic day in a week.
(10) NMA, with the huge sum they are paid, still wants adjustment in their specialist allowance to be paid to all doctors on CONMESS 3 and above, and must be paid its equivalent that is not less than 50% higher than what is paid to other Health Workers. How can NMA be the one to decide what other Health Workers get? NMA should go and read the Parable of one Talent Payment.
(11) NMA is calling for Government to pay her members 100,000 naira every month as just hazard allowance. How can NMA be demanding for such, despite all she is already receiving? She is being too selfish/greedy in her demands. Even other workers with worse occupational hazards are not receiving such.
(12) NMA insists on immediate release of circulars on rural posting, teaching and other allowance which must include House Officers. Since 2009 NMA and her members have been collecting teaching allowance even though that teaching allowances as approved by the Government was for very Senior Medical Doctors (Consultants and very Senior Registrars)that are involved in teaching of doctors in training, especially the junior and senior interns. House officers are the junior interns while Resident doctors are senior interns doing a student fellowship to become a specialist .Now NMA is agitating that the interns who are still doctors in training should be paid teaching allowance. House officers and resident doctors by government circulars are not entitled to this payment; it is because of them that Government is paying the teaching allowance. How can the doctor in training be asking for teaching allowance when he is a trainee, and who is he teaching? Since the approval in 2009 and full implementation in 2010, House Officers and Resident Doctors who are NMA members, have been fraudulently collecting huge monthly teaching allowances which they are not entitled. There is no government circular or template that approved such payment. It was in this year 2014, that the Government through the Call Budget Circular from the Ministry of Finance opposed and stopped the payment of teaching allowance to interns. For five years members of NMA who were not entitled to teaching allowance have been defrauding the Government. He who comes to equity must come with clean hands.
(13) NMA calls for immediate withdrawal of CBN circular authorizing the Medical Laboratory Science Council of Nigerian (MLSCN) to approve licenses for the importation of in vitro diagnostics (IVDS). It is so petty that NMA is going on strike because the Federal Government (which means well for Nigerians), has taken the bull by the horn to making sure that fake/ substandard diagnostic consumables are removed from the system, by effectively empowering MLSCN-the Agency who has the statutory function to do this job. Sections 4b, and 4e of MLSCN act 11 2003 provides- the function of the board are
(B) Regulate the Practice of Medical Laboratory Science in Nigerian.
(c) Regulate the production, importation, sales, and stocking of diagnostic reagents and chemicals.
Section 19 of the MLSCN act mandates MLSCN Board to also make rules. Section 19(d) goes thus-the board may make rules for the maintenance of good standard of Medical Laboratory practice and services with respect to the regulation and control of private practice including statutory inspection, approval, and monitoring of all Medical Laboratories including those adjoined to Clinics, Private and Public Health Institutions. Instead of NMA to partner with MLSCN to kick fake diagnostics out of Nigeria, she is out there encouraging quackery and fighting a lost battle by being anti-Establishment.
(14) NMA wants immediate release of circular on retirement age. Dear Nigerians by increasing retirement age from 60 to more years how will it bring better productivity in the health sector? When within the next ten years of a doctor starting work ,he can get to the zenith of his career which work will he be doing? And when most of our consultants are part time doctors because they work and have Clinics days only once a week.

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by maschivok: 1:44pm On Jul 01, 2014
(19) NMA accuses Medical Laboratory Scientists of harasment.NMA has shown herself that she is a Joker. The world knows that it is the other way round. That it is members of NMA that are harassing Medical Laboratory Scientists in Nigerian. The number of Medical laboratory Scientist that NMA members have instigated their sack/termination of appointment/suspension is worrisome. But thanks are to the Most High for the Judiciary who brings hope for the common man, by setting aside most of the sack/termination/suspension. Medical laboratory Scientists are people who do not act on impulse, or with impunity. Why is NMA resorting to self help when issues she has with members of Association of Medical Laboratory Scientists of Nigerian are in court? Why is she the judge in her own case? The spirit of Medical Laboratory Scientists can never be broken. We shall always move with great crescendo to protect patients’ interest and the public at large, despite the provocation and lawlessness that is being perpetuated by members of NMA in the Health Sector. The laws of the land shall be our strength, for he who holds the mace of truth and justice can never falter. We cannot be intimidated by her Goliath posturing.
(20) NMA says-‘the endless circles of incomplete salary payment to our members in many hospital in the name of short falls in personal cost must stop’. This is the only legitimate demand out of the 24 demands by NMA because the labourer is worthy of his wages. But NMA cannot call her members out for strike based on this, because she is not a registered Trade Union but a charity. This problem is not peculiar to only Allopathic Medical Doctors but to all personnel working in the Health Sector.
(21) NMA in her number 21 demand states ‘universal application of all establishment circulars on remuneration and condition of service for doctors at all levels of Government must be guaranteed’. NMA is not justified here, because this borders on Constitutional Matter. And the Central Government has some limits to want they can impose on the State, bearing in mind that we are practicing a Federal System of Government, where power is shared among the three tiers of Government, the Federal, State and the Local Government. NMA members should come to terms that they are the employee and not the employer. It is very interesting to note, that NMA who champions the lost battle, insists that the approved Scheme of Service/circulars of other healthcare workers will never be implemented is the one now agitating that even things not given by any Scheme Service/circular must be implemented.
(22) NMA demands that Government must urgently set up a health trust fund that will enhance the upgrading of hospitals.NMA is being sentimental here, the problems of our hospital is not funding but mismanagement and accountability. Even if the Government sets 100 trust funds with billions of naira much will not come out of it, because the hospitals are managed contrary to Government laws and principles. Hospital/health administrators should be the ones to head and manage the hospitals. Our hospitals have been poorly managed under the leadership of Allopathic Physicians. When there is good management and accountability Government set goals/objectives can be actualized.
(23) APPOINTMENT INTO THE OFFICE OF THE CMD/MD.
NMA is always doctoring and adding to organic laws. In her 23rd demand, NMA stated “the position of the Chief Medical Director/Medical Director must continue to be occupied by a medical doctor as contained in the act establishing the tertiary hospitals. This position remains sacrosanct and untouchable.” I can beat my chest and say that the leadership of NMA have never seen nor read the content of University Teaching Hospitals (reconstruction of boards) cap U15, LFN 2004 commonly called decree 10 of 1985.There is no where it stated what NMA quoted above. In fact the term medical doctor was never used in that document or Act. Section 5 of the act provides;
(1) There shall be for each hospital a Chief Medical Director who shall be appointed by the president on such terms and conditions as may be specified in his letter of appointment or as may be determined from time to time by the Federal Government.
(2)The Chief Medical Director shall
(a)Be a person who is medically qualified and registered as such for a period of not less than 12 years, and has had considerable administrative experience in matters of health and holds a post graduate medical qualification obtained not less than 5 years prior to the appointment as chief medical director and
(b)Be charged with the responsibility for the execution of the polices and matters affecting the day to day management of the affairs of the hospital.
In the afore-mentioned Act, there is no place it said that the person must be a Medical Doctor. The International best practice is that, it is not only Medical Doctors that head Hospitals rather, in most places; it is a qualified hospital/health administrator that manages the Hospital. If you do a search on the internet on the criteria to become a truck driver in USA, note that you will see that it says that the person must be medically qualified. So does being medically qualified here mean that one must be a medical doctor to be a truck driver? The capital answer is “no”. It means being medically fit. The term medically qualified as used in the act has been misinterpreted to mean a holder of a certificate registrable by MEDICAL AND DENTAL COUNCIL OF NIGERIA.(MDCN). Currently there is a case instituted in the Federal High Court Awka by Comr. A. A Obi a distinguished Medical Laboratory Scientist and the suit number is FHC/AWK/CS/38/2013.The suit is to interpret the meaning of who is medically qualified as used in section 5 of the act. So why is NMA and her members jumping the gun to go on strike on an issue before the Court is that not subjudice? All along NMA has used acts of impunity to undermine the rule of law. The organic law did not say the person will be a Medical Doctor or be registrable with MDCN even though all adverts for the posts of CMD/MD have come to illegally say so.
It is lucid that from the foregoing, certain questions arise. Can NMA as an Association declare and call for strike, when it is not a Trade Union? Is NMA above the law, that it can undermine the provisions of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, by trampling on the code of conduct for Public Officers as stated in the constitution? Section 2 subsections 1,2 and 3 of the Trade Union Act, states “A trade union shall not perform any act in furtherance of the purpose for which it has been formed unless it has been registered under this act……………..”
section 2 subsection 2-where a trade union registered under this act ceases to be registered, it shall not there after perform any action in furtherance of this purpose…………….
section 2 subsection 3-if any act which is prohibited by section (1) or (2) of this section, is performed by a trade union, then
(a)The Union and every official thereof; and
(b) Any member thereof who, not being an official thereof, took any active part in the performance of that act, shall be guilty of an offence against this act.
NMA is not a registered Trade Union, so she cannot be doing this, entrenching sabotage and acts of impunity against the State. Above all, endangering the lives of the citizens, she swore on oath to protect. A situation where NMA is going on strike as a result of these frivolous demands is gross misconduct and acts of negligence. Section 3 of 030301( h) of the Public Service Rule terms negligence as a misconduct.030402 (e) terms absence from duty without leave as serious acts of misconduct. Sabotage in 030402(t) is also stated as serious misconduct. Section 33(1) of the Nigerian Constitution 2011 as amended provides every person has a right to life and no one shall be deprived intentionally of his life………section 172 of the same Constitution states “A person in the Public Service of the Federation shall observe and conform to the code of conduct of the Federation “.The fifth schedule part 1 code of conduct for Public Officers says:
(1) A public officer shall not put himself in a position where his personal interest conflicts with his duties and responsibilities.
(9) A public officer shall not do or direct to be done, in abuse of his office, any contrary act prejudicial to the rights of any other person or contrary to.
It is so glaring that what NMA is asking is prejudicial and tramples on the rights of Nigerian Citizens.
(24) IN her 24 demand NMA forgot that she is an employee of the Government and it is not for her to dictate on how Optometrist or Medical Physicist should be paid. Nigeria is not Govern by the whims and caprices of NMA but by laws and polices made by the Government.
CONCLUSION.
NMA and her members are not justified on going on strike. The only reasonable demand is demand number 20 haba! A student who scored one out of twenty four is not doing well at all. NMA members should know that as workers they have duty of Fidelity, they as Civil Servants are bound to only obey rightful orders from NMA. They also have duty of care and skill to the patient. And above all their loyalty/allegiance is to the Nigerian state. A situation where NMA gives her members unlawful orders undermines the rule of law and as such, such orders cannot hold sway.
NMA has become a fifth columnists working against the state. It is sad that NMA and her members who have benefitted so much from the state are now turning themselves against the Nigerian state to become the killer of the Nigerian People, instead of being the Physician who is to be the healer of the patient and people. Nigerians must rise and say no to this medical imperialism by using the instrumentality of the law to stop NMA from inflicting untold hardship on her citizenry. The Federal Government through the Ministry of Health under Prof Onyebuchi CHukwu must act to maintain law and order, now that NMA has told the world that it is because of some of the things She granted to JOHESU on merit, is the reason NMA is going on strike. She should seek an injunction restraining NMA from going on strike just as he did to JOHESU, pending the determination of the motion on notice to know if NMA has the locus standi to go on strike when she is not a Trade Union. JOHESU should be firm to seek a legal redress to restrain NMA in this acts of lawlessness,if the Government does not act.There must be a total restructuring of the Health Sector. All Nigerians from all works of life must condemn these acts of sabotage against the State by doctors of Allopathic Medicine under the auspices of NMA. The Nigerian Government as a matter of urgency should support the Natural Medicine Development Agency Kofo Abayomi Victoria Island, to reposition our Traditional Medicine to be like what is seen in China, USA, U.K, India, Korea etc. And it should be integrated into the mainstream Healthcare System in Nigeria. Allopathic Monopolistic Medicine should give way to Pluralistic Medicine. Government should create an enabling environment for the practice of the different Medical Systems like, Functional Medicine, Holistic Medicine, Ethnomedicine, Ayurvedic Medicine, Homeopathy, Osteopathy etc. All over the world, no country is currently solely dependent on one Medical System. Nigerians must say no to NMA that has become anti people. The Nigerian Government should not allow herself to be blackmailed by NMA. She should first and foremost challenge NMA for acts of impunity against the state. The federal Government should take a leaf from Governor Fashola of Lagos State, for enough is enough. The Government should also take a queue from the former governor of Anambra state, Mr Peter Obi
AJUFO, BENJAMIN CHUKWUNONSO-

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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Nobody: 1:45pm On Jul 01, 2014
sexylogan:

A fish monger in the market can be taught first aid in some hours. With that knowlege, all u can do is convey an injured person to a

health facility to be seen by professionals. Doctors arent goin about this right, but comparing us to first aid givers is like comparing Real Madrid

FC to Zamfara United FC. I rest my case.
you spoke well. But a situation when RM CF descend to the level of Zamfara FC, then. We shall have no option other than treat them as such.
U earn respect!
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by 4reigningqueen: 1:48pm On Jul 01, 2014
barcanista: they are also insane
they are also mad!
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by phantom(m): 1:50pm On Jul 01, 2014
nathanomochi: well said @phantom,that's more than a comprehensive review.
bless you sir.
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by peacettw: 1:50pm On Jul 01, 2014
I can't help but notice that doctors seem not to want to voice their opinions to avoid any kind of conflict, and the ones who do, well do so in the most civilised of ways despite the insults and lack of good will from the masses.

Isn't it time we spoke out?

Should we not utilise this opportunity to tell the masses what we go through, how our members have lost their lives to diseases like lassa fever, Hiv and other deadly diseases in a bid to save our fellow men in an environment so poorly equipped to handle such disease entities? The sane thing to do is to abandon such cases since they pose a risk to us but we don't do that. How can we when our responsibility is to save lives no matter what?

This mentality of "saving lives no matter what" aka the Messiah complex, however noble has in truth, done more harm than good. Not only are we been ignored and taken for granted, everyone now see it as their birth right for doctors to treat no matter what.

Well, my dears, the harsh reality is this, doctors are just like you, humans and not superstars. We breath, eat, fall sick and die just like everyone else. We are aware that our hospitals are terribly equipped but we still go ahead and treat with what little we have. We know we are grossly underpaid but we still see patients believing God to reward us(I know I think that), we get cases with diseases that are highly communicable and lethal, and we still go ahead to see knowing fully well we stand a chance of dying.


I will never forget when I was called into the theatre just 2 months ago, to resuscitate a baby about to be delivered via ceaserian section to a hiv positive mother. To cut the long story short, during the course of the surgery, a pulled artery led to a blood bath of not less than 4 doctors who attended the surgery including myself. The baby was safe thank God but what about me? If I get Hiv today, is it the N5000/month hazard allowance that I will rely on?

There are lots of things that you all don't understand, we work terribly hard and most times put our lives at risk just because of our profession. I work 24 hours and sometimes 48 hours at a stretch and I am expected to come to work the next day to keep working till 4pm or sometimes later than that. I have colleagues that work for 90 days at a stretch without any sleep in between saving lives and despite this, someone had the nerve to call us glorified first aid givers.


For centuries, we have deemed ourselves noble and have held ourselves to the highest of standards.
We avoid fights and perhaps even lack the skills to "aggressively" voice our opinions preferring the "matyr" approach just for the sake of our patients and to maintain the decorum as we have been trained in the medical schools.

I think this ends now. We will no longer treat "no matter what". A lot is at stake and the struggle to enact a change begins now.

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