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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by phantomm: 6:30pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
saxywale:o okay....thought you used the word first. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Yemlizzy(f): 6:32pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Not nice! The health sector keeps declining day by day. Nigeria needs a big change. 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 6:33pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
slyzy: last time they were asking for customised plate numbers carrying "DOCTOR" and now they are complaning of JOESU members acquiring Ph.Ds to be called doctors as part of their reasons for strike. Imagine! Missing Abacha so badly to take care of these babies throwing tantrums here and there. This comment is tangential to the entire discourse. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by phantomm: 6:34pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
drobadebayo:yeah....the keyword is preparation! many of our graduates will excel and even do better than doctors from those countries but if you look at it logically and without emotion,those countries in effect are keeping jobs for their people.there must be 70-80% slot for their own people and the rest for others.it takes absolutely nothing away from the foreign qualifications.its just about keeping jobs for their people.it wouldnt make sense to give jobs to american doctors in nigeria when we have very good nigerian docs roaming the streets. 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by mannyiyke: 6:40pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy: |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Prettyvita(f): 7:09pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Initially, I thought of it as a joke, but now, I can see dat it's all selfishness and nothing more. There's a certain level u'll achieve in ur carrier and u'll b consulted for clarifications and other issues in THAT particular field. I wonder what the big deal is in allowing other bodies in d health sector to attain the title of a consultant Doctors should realise that MEDICINE isn't all about them. The sooner they realise that, the better for all of 'em. 2 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by nobilis: 7:16pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Peaceworld: Doctors here please get enlightened.Follow the links below: Lol. Thanks for trying to educate us. I won't repeat many things. But as for the duty of a consultant, I will refer you to the article Phantom wrote on pages 2 and 3 of this thread. I will gladly advise all JOHESUITES to seek the truth at the expense of killing and deadening their consciences. Like I said before, before a doctor is awarded an honorary consultancy, he must have completed a certain number of years of residency training in his chosen specialty. We are talking about a minimum of 5 years here (that is after medical school oo). When he completes residency, he becomes a specialist in his chosen field then he is appointed a consultant. Recently, some nurses in UCH "arrogated" (permit me to use that word) to themselves, the title of consultant. Did they undergo any specialist training? In what area of the nursing practice are they specialists? Now you get my drift. JOHESUITES want to become consultants without undergoing any specialist training. Now tell me, how is that fair? You say doctors are withholding the consultancy status for other health professionals. But I want to ask you: what do you expect the doctors to do when it is obvious that you guys are not acting in the best interests of the doctors' patients. Instances have been given where a consultant nurse prevented a consultant plastic surgeon from inspecting his patient's surgical site ( I ask: does this happen abroad? Is this how consultant nurses in the US work?) Another instance has been given where consultant pharmacists invaded the wards cancelling and modifying patient treatment plans without notifying the doctor in charge of such patients. (Does this happen abroad?) Need I remind you that when a patient is admitted in a hospital, he is admitted under the name of a consultant physician or surgeon(not a consultant nurse or pharmacist). Meaning that the patient is assigned to that particular consultant physician/surgeon whose duty it is to make sure that the patient is treated properly. And that is why if there is any case of patient mismanagement, it is the consultant physician/surgeon who is sued for malpractice. Now give me one reason why doctors will not fight against appointment of JOHESUITES as consultants. All you JOHESUITES wil shout and say it is because of insecurity and greed. But I ask you: why won't the doctors fight against such consultancy appointments when it is obvious that the only thing you guys want is to assert your authority and disrupt order in the hospitals to the detriment of the patients. Instead of trying to work with the doctors as a team, you guys want to fight with them to show who has the superior say in patient management. No. You guys don't reason that way. The only thing you see is that doctors are hindering your appointments. As for the banning of the PharmD program, please and please, until there is enough incontrovertible proof that NMA has a hand in NUC's ruling, do not place false accusations on anybody. 7 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by mannyiyke: 7:23pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy:Broda, in asmuch as i aspire to be a medical dr, i must tell u pointblank dat u drs are arrogant, greedy, and pompous. It shldn't be so. Every degree is highly important. U can't treat without d help of oda health professionals objectively. U don't know it all. Or can u manage d economy without economists or proffer solutions to pest resurgence and plant and animal diseases without agronomists, entomologists and vet drs and so on and so forth, yet u med drs claim to have d highest knowledge. I'm an entomologist but in my master's degree in medical microbiology, as d med dr was teaching us, she came across maggot therapy and i did explain it very well to her cos she was mistaking in her explanation and she marvelled. She's a consultant clinical microbiologist, and i also noticed this same arrogance in her but along d line i observed she didn't know it all as u medical drs claim. Even those academic drs in dat college of medicine research well and churn out quality research works as their medically qualified counterparts, yet you med drs claim odas are irrelevant. Ok, what's wrong in odas being consultants in their own fields? U med drs shld have protested dat we shld stop having academic drs since they and u pple bear d same title? 2 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Pennywise(m): 7:35pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
If govt cam sell Nigeria airways, PHCN, Steel plants, what the hell is a teaching hospital or a federal medical center that cannot be sold? Let everybody go home and re apply for jobs. I dont see any other real solution in sight. Some of these hospitals are already being run for profit anyway. Standards will improve and these rank opportunism will die. The Federal govt should immediately call for bids!!!! This never-ending fight and opportunism is disrupting and poisoning the Nigerian health sector. Substandard and worthless degrees are being sponsored every where inorder to undermine each other. If you are a consultant nurse or pharmacist then wait for a vacancy so u can apply and tell ur employers what u must be paid!! |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by nobilis: 7:41pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Prettyvita: Initially, I thought of it as a joke, but now, I can see dat it's all selfishness and nothing more. There's a certain level u'll achieve in ur carrier and u'll b consulted for clarifications and other issues in THAT particular field. I wonder what the big deal is in allowing other bodies in d health sector to attain the title of a consultant Doctors should realise that MEDICINE isn't all about them. The sooner they realise that, the better for all of 'em. Please, my dear, I will advise you to desist from giving inputs in matters which you have not fully understood. There is nothing wrong with nurses and pharmacists and any others being called consultants. It is not about the name. What's in a name? If it ends only in their answering the name "consultant", no one gives a damn. But the issue is that they are disrupting the work of doctors because they see themselves as consultants and therefore, they feel they have the right to do so. They usurp consulting rooms from doctors. They meddle with treatment plans fashioned out by doctors without consulting the doctors. They prevent the doctors from doing their jobs. Because they want to show the doctors that they also have a say. And who suffers in this situation? The patients. But you have comfortably refused to see the anarchy breeding in the hospitals because of the clamor for such positions. And you have comfortably fixed your mind on the greed you perceive from doctors. People like you are the people I refer to as the gullible populace with whom JOHESU scores her cheap points. Itz either you are that or you are a JOHESU operative. When JOHESU went on strike and tried to disrupt the work of doctors who were still working and taking care of hospital in-patients, what did the NLC/TUC and the general Nigerian populace say about it? Absolutely nothing. But NMA has gone on strike now and u see them as d devils who are heartless and want to kill people. Nigerians, until we learn to uphold truth and justice, progress and unity will remain very far from us. 3 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by slyzy(m): 8:00pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
armadeo:well, it depends on how u want to see it. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by otokx(m): 8:05pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
There is one lab technologist that comes to the office and trips the ladies but each time he sees my face na so him own face go dey fear. This is the song we sing for him, I'm not a qualified doctor she say make i give am injection. I'm not a qualified physician, she say make I give am injection. You can sing the rest. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Jman06(m): 8:23pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
otokx: Medically qualified is not the same thing as medically fit.And the same lab technicians now want to bear the title of consultant medical lab 'scientists' even when we know they are not scientists. No wonder they are trying to stop the real scientists(physiologists, Biochemists and microbiologists) from practicing laboratory science as obtainable in other parts of the world. What goes around comes around! Doctors! make una no gree oo! |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by childiswealth(f): 8:23pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
God pls intervene o. Govt c to dis o...so many lives are at stake. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Peaceworld(m): 9:25pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
nobilis:Very funny, in the UK, the last wrung of the career ladder is nurse consultant...check it out: http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/nursing/careers-in-nursing/nurse-consultants/ The truth is this: OUR VARIOUS ALLIED HEALTH PROFESSIONALS ARE GETTING BETTER BY THE DAY THE WORLD OVER, UNLIKE HERE IN NIGERIA WHERE NMA IS TRYING TO STIFLE GROWTH OF OTHER PROFESSIONS. MAY GOD HELP US. 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 9:29pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
YourHealthlabs: For our 5th centrury docs that hang on the "not-doctor-not-smart" belief. I didn't hear any American Doc telling U.S. Nurses to go write 'JAMB' if they want to become Docs. @ bolded, are Nigerian nurses proud to be nurses. The issue about `owning patients is a misnomer. What it actually means is that the doctor is responsible for the patient. Anything happens that DR is responsible no other person. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Peaceworld(m): 9:32pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
nobilis:She's right, you know. Doctors shouldn't be the only ones planning for the patient. That's why medicine is a team effort. You don't bully your way through as a dictator here. You get ideas from everybody in the team, but when you now think that no other person has an input, who is causing the trouble. Team leaders trying to be team dictators...lol...in my hospital, when was the last time we had a general ward round? Can't even remember! Mtttschhhew... 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Peaceworld(m): 9:44pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
nobilis:You're biased. We both know that the consultant nurse who stopped the surgeon from seeing his patient can always be sanctioned after getting to the root of the matter. That's not enough reason from stopping her from being a consultant nurse. It's pure wickedness for anybody to stop any other person from getting to the height of his or her career. Period. This goes for the director issue as well. NMA, which in itself doesn't represent all medical professionals in Nigeria (I still insist it should be NMDA), is doing doctors a disservice by towing this line. Rather, 'NMA' should be emphasizing on Doctors being the team leaders. That is the more honorable thing to do. 3 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 9:45pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Peaceworld: She's right, you know. Doctors shouldn't be the only ones planning for the patient. That's why medicine is a team effort. You don't bully your way through as a dictator here. You get ideas from everybody in the team, but when you now think that no other person has an input, who is causing the trouble. Team leaders trying to be team dictators...lol...in my hospital, when was the last time we had a general ward round? Can't even remember! Mtttschhhew... A team effort I agree and each team must have a leader who is responsible for the final outcome of the team. Am sure you know what happens when to many cooks are making a meal in one pot the pot here being the patient. This issue isn't about patient benefits or care its about personal greed. Why do johesu members want to be called consultants and say its for the benefit of the patient, that means their presence since has been a waste of space. 3 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by tunesoft(m): 9:45pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
I don't even know wat to say...really, cos this whole issue sef.....these johesu peeps shud go nd put things right..go back to d drawing table nd re-arrange things..yes they mite have dere demands..buh to be frank..Nigeria is nothing near such new development..they shud first concentrate on giving patients better services...thru collective efforts nd collective aluta towards the govt...not al dese... 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by felipemadero(m): 9:59pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
God I want to use this opportunity to thank you for being my ROCK cos I seldom fall ill and most blissful of all,I've never visited a hospital so as to get admitted. Thank you Lord. N.B am not being pompous or blowing my trumpet. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Peaceworld(m): 10:31pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
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Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Peaceworld(m): 10:32pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
armadeo:Again it's quite clear that you're very biased. I will refrain from debating further with you. |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by lighternote: 10:48pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Get the real bone of contention here. http://www.medicalworldnigeria.com/2014/06/nma-and-her-egocentric-demands-the-height-of-gross-lawlessness-impunity-blackmail-by-benjamin-chukwunonso-ajufo-part-1/ This is what u get when empathy free braniacs or mere greedy individuals rush into medical schools solely for money. 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 10:58pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
Peaceworld: Again it's quite clear that you're very biased. I will refrain from debating further with you. No need for any debate. What is it you want to do as consultants that you cannot do now. Its a simple question. If a title alone will improve your output then you haven't been giving your best ever since. What role do johesu members want to play that only a title will change? PS nobidy bullies anyone its only the low morales and insecure that feel bullied when asked to carry out their job description. 2 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 11:01pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
lighternote: Get the real bone of contention here. I don't know of now but then many medical students had no idea on what the salary structure was concerning them so I can say that nobody goes to medical school because of money. PS whether we like it or not empathy is part of all medical personnel training be it drs nurses pharmacists etc. 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Cityguy: 11:54pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
barcanista: To hell with those touts in NMA and NARD. Government should implement the No Work-No Pay policy.And yet you still need that same first aid. Unintelligent comment if you ask me. State your fact without resorting to name calling and blame game. 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by treasuredbytemi(f): 11:58pm On Jul 01, 2014 |
joker5180: i guess you dont know what is meant by an 'act of national assembly". it is MDCN that has such statutory responsibility. get your facts right.Thats what u think but my facts are as right as they can be. “Sections 4e and 19d of the Medical Laboratory Science Council Law Act 11, 2003 (Cap M25, LFN 2014) specifically mandates the MLSCN to “regulate the production, importation, sales and stocking of diagnostic reagents and chemicals and make rules for the maintenance of good standard of medical laboratory practice and services. This is “with respect to regulation and control of private practice, including statutory inspection, approval and monitoring of all medical laboratories, including those adjoined to clinics, private and public health institutions.” Doctors have left what they should do they just running after name, fame abd money. spending more time on strike than they do inside a hospital 1 Like |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Cityguy: 12:08am On Jul 02, 2014 |
I don't blame a lot of people for their comments though often times they stem from a number of reasons which might not even be known to them. I guess doctors are not humans. Lawyers, teachers, rail workers, lecturers, oil workers etc can go on strike and of course, no probs cos we 'believe' we are not in 'danger' or that they are not very 'necessary'. Some of us don't even want to know what has generated all these- they just must be 'passionate'. Well, it has finally happened. I think the hospitals are now running without the input of these 'overrated, glorified' and perhaps 'arrogant' doctors. JOHESU, pls take over. 2 Likes |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by armadeo(m): 12:12am On Jul 02, 2014 |
Cityguy: I don't blame a lot of people for their comments though often times they stem from a number of reasons which might not even be known to them. I guess doctors are not humans. Lawyers, teachers, rail workers, lecturers, oil workers etc can go on strike and of course, no probs cos we 'believe' we are not in 'danger' or that they are not very 'necessary'. Some of us don't even want to know what has generated all these- they just must be 'passionate'. Well, it has finally happened. I think the hospitals are now running without the input of these 'overrated, glorified' and perhaps 'arrogant' doctors. JOHESU, pls take over. Tell them! |
Re: Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Today by Cityguy: 12:30am On Jul 02, 2014 |
When JOHESU go on strike, they lock-up the theaters, consulting rooms, close the stores, use chains to barricade everywhere and stand guard to prevent the so maligned and misunderstood 'glorified' doctors from doing anything however little to assist patients. Now, doctors just refused to show up and it's like who is then left to work? That shows you something that patients come to hospitals to 'see doctors' and not our educated and 'hard-working' JOHESU. 1 Like |
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