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Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Frenchkiss564: 10:55am On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonychristopher:i only hear the bolded on nairaland by igbos trying desperately to turn the ijebus to another ikwere, the ikwere pill must be hard for you guys to swallow. The most respected yoruba politician and founder of egbe omo odouduwa, chief awolowo is an ijebu man, their is ijebu-ife, what y'all dont understand is that yoruba is an ethnicity not a tribe , an ethnic is a conglomeration of tribes hence we hav the ijebu, egba, oyo, awori e.t.c as tribes 5 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by MarilynNash(f): 11:22am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Morgan567: Chao, I just noticed that edo guys in the house did not recourse to history, rather they choose to curse and swear. Benin guys, tell us your history, enough of the shakara and curses, Oya, open floor.Shut up. Didn't you read Ayewosa's post? Is that not history, did he swear or curse? That was the exact story my father told me and the place where the crown princes choose their name is my family's house. Oduduwa came from Bini and not the sky, which one sounds reasonable to you? 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by balash(m): 11:30am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Marilyn_Nash: Shut up. Didn't you read Ayewosa's post? Is that not history, did he swear or curse? That was the exact story my father told me and the place where the crown princes choose their name is my family's house. Oduduwa came from Bini and not the sky, which one sounds reasonable to you?Lmao U Para'ing seriously O Marilyn |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by PAPAAFRICA: 11:47am On Jul 03, 2014 |
All of this is speculation, oral history is definitly a challenging form of history. |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by brownlord: 12:48pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Rexxie: It can, but i think the prince did all he could do to broke it because of edo state election, he's a big supporter of PDP and maybe party thought they could use him to get his father's support hence the reason he had to perform some rituals and welcome to prince home, it was a big celebration anyway. 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Arosa(m): 1:02pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
The Origin of the Ijebus: Ijebu was a Yoruba kingdom in pre-colonial Nigeria. It formed around the fifteenth century on the orders of the Oba of Benin. According to legend, its ruling dynasty was founded by Obanta of Ile-Ife, who received the order from the Benin Oba to establish the kingdom. Scholars today have also identified the influence of the Benin Empire in the court art and ritual of the Ijebu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijebu_Kingdom Olokun was a Bini man. Ijebus in the house who is your daddy? 2 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by MacLovington(m): 1:16pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord:. Correction: I have posted this b4 on another NL thread. The crown prince and the Oba do see. There was never a jinx. It was mere pragmatism to broaden the prince's "education" and preparation for the crown. In any case the Crown Prince only began to live outside the wall surrounding Benin about 500 years back. And it came about like this: There was a nobleman and warrior called Iken. He lived at Uselu, which was a different town back then but has now grown to meet Benin proper. The Oba requested Iken to go to war in Yorubaland. He was already relatively "old" and had no sons. He made only one request: that His Majesty should please ensure his household was well looked after as he had no son. It's like Iken had a premonition. The Oba assured him that the Crown Prince no less would personally look after his household in his absence. But Iken died in the war. As a permanent memorial to Iken the Oba decreed that every crown prince upon reaching maturity should live at Iken's palace until becoming king. And so it is till today. Oba Akenzua II (educated at King's College Lagos) was secretary to his father (Oba Eweka II). Until Eweka II departed in 1933. That Oba & Crown prince don't see is a total myth. Many of my people are dukes of the Kingdom and palace chiefs. 2 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by brownlord: 2:33pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
MacLovington: . This is a new version, well i'm not going to argue on this as i have little or no knowledge but i doubt if the crown prince and the oba do see, except you can explain the meaning of what happened 2012 when the crown prince was welcome to the palace and a big celebration this cause. |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by bokohalal(m): 3:21pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Where are Oruns of the other Oduduwa 's children in Ife? Is there an Orun Oba Ilesa? 3 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Arosa(m): 3:31pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
bokohalal: Where are Oruns of the other Oduduwa 's children in Ife? I hope you know the implication of that? |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by TonySpike: 3:44pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
shymexx: Shymmex, there's a great tendency that the Ogisos may be related to the expelled Hyksos. A close look at some Bini names appear like 13th/14th dynasty Egyptian names. This is however a theory. If there's indeed a foremost relationship between Yorubas and the Bini , it might have existed back at their original civilisation in ancient Egypt. My opinion though... |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Ubenedictus(m): 3:49pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: it is so interesting that you claim to be omniscient, you know all thing thus you don't need correction! Your knowledge is so great that you have the correct records which suprisingly the alaafin doesn't have! Your knowledge is so outstanding that you know where the remains of the obas of bini are and you claim your knowledge is much profound than that of the obas of bini. Weldone you're omnipresence! |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 4:04pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonychristopher: Bro, you are Igbo you should tap small sense into this matter...Aniocha language in Delta is Igbo but is it the same with Umueri Igbos in Anambra?? I am Ekiti, I can't speak Ekiti but I speak Oyo The language u normally hear as Yoruba in movies, city streets, schools etc. are what I would say semi-pidgin of the Oyo language...as the Oyo empire grew in power and influence...many people picked up their language. But if Ijebu says 100words, Oyo man would most likely understand 75 of it 2 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 4:07pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
sleekman: ur lies and falsehoods no get part 2. Benin art predates Ife art. Bini's were d first 2 start bronze and brass casting cos they 1st came in contact with d portuguese in Nigeria. Prior 2 dat they made carvings and molding. Benin city had d 1st church in Nigeria from d portuguese missionaries that came in d 16th century. That's why Benin chiefs wear a cassock. "The King of Benin can in a single day make 20,000 men ready for war, and, if need be, 180,000, and because of this he has great influence among all the surrounding peoples. . . . His authority stretches over many cities, towns and villages. There is no King thereabouts who, in the possession of so many beautiful cities and towns, is his equal." ok, pardon me. I was bias there I recently found out Benin art began long ago into the Ogiso dynasty but the art cults were gradually going extinct until Oba Oguola requested Ife to send a master to reorganize the Benin art 2 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 4:13pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonychristopher: They don't call themselves Igbo either..it's like a curse to call them Igbo #true fact They even feel most comfortable being associated with Bini when I hear ugbodu people speaking I always take them as Yoruba because I can hear some Yoruba words in their speech 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 4:13pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Orlando Owoh: Exactly...plain truth 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by gidjah(m): 4:17pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Redoil: thanks are you are boyfriend?NOPE! |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 4:17pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord: I am a history enthusiast, I am most interested in Yoruba history and all people connected to the Yoruba. Oyo can't know everything, Alaafin is saying what he was told like Omo n'oba but they don't know all and aren't willing to let go of ego but want to claim superior Ooni Ife by tradition is king of western Nigeria, parts of Togo and Benin rep. all rights to rule were given by him even in my town, our knowledge on Ife history is so poor, I had to seek knowledge outside |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by tonychristopher: 4:58pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: hmmmmm....why do you think that igbo is a curse on them that have been forgotten by their kiths and kins and bear strictly igbo names and speak igbo..they abhor been called the names of their kin tell me |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by tonychristopher: 5:05pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: so what ijebu speak is a dialet of yoruba but what egun speak is a different langauge entirely....i do understand yoruba but these badagry guys speaks something else, no wonder they hate been called yorubas yes your correct umueri and asaba speak the smae thing but if you use izza and ohafia, they have different dialect but same languge...i |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by tonychristopher: 5:16pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
macof: noted |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by tonychristopher: 5:17pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Frenchkiss564: i only hear the bolded on nairaland by igbos trying desperately to turn the ijebus to another ikwere, the ikwere pill must be hard for you guys to swallow. The most respected yoruba politician and founder of egbe omo odouduwa, chief awolowo is an ijebu man, their is ijebu-ife, what y'all dont understand is that yoruba is an ethnicity not a tribe my brother nobody is turning ijebu to ikwerre, ikwerre are in oha na eze, we dont have issues just we have some disgruntled elements and they are not in majority. if i were you you shouldnt have started comparism not to derail the thread...we are learning but if you want it to be derailed we are ready. but its not my intention, and do not create the impression that yorubas are one big happy family cos we know they aint..not all yorubas belive in oduduwa bunkum, the reasonable ones have seen the loop holes the crazy ones swallowed oduduwa hook line nad sinker...but i am learning from others not you and please dont quote me again...i wont want to derail una thread biko if you want to know more about egun please this is how they categorically said they aint yorubas http://mybadagry.org/?page_id=5 http://saharareporters.com/2014/03/04/exclusion-ogu-egun-people-lagos-and-ogun-national-conference-delegates%E2%80%99-list keep playing ostrich |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Nobody: 5:58pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
9jacrip: Fact: heads of Benin Kings have been buried in Ile-Ife since Eweka till the colonialist took a strong hold and it was stopped - the last 2 Benin Kings were buried in Benin with their complete parts. Succinctly put 9jacrip 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 5:59pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonychristopher: Chai! Guy Wetin dey do u?? Have u ever heard Olukumi people speak? If u have you wouldn't say they speak Igbo, because it's obvious they speak a dialect of Yoruba....and they bare Igbo and Yoruba names...even Edo-like names too 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 6:10pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord:@ubenedictus That's your business. When you have spent as much time and resources on acquiring the truth in history maybe you would begin to respect history 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 6:21pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Marilyn_Nash: Shut up. Didn't you read Ayewosa's post? Is that not history, did he swear or curse? That was the exact story my father told me and the place where the crown princes choose their name is my family's house. Oduduwa came from Bini and not the sky, which one sounds reasonable to you? But where did Ogiso come from .. More importantly where did Idu - the first man according to Bini come from? We all use this "sky" theme a lot, find out ur history before trying to distort others 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by macof(m): 6:23pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
MacLovington: . |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by MacLovington(m): 8:28pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
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Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by oluFELAxy(m): 8:29pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
No matter what. The king's head buried in ile ife or switzerland. All I know is that ile ife is a distinct place and is a pillar in the yoruba history. am proud to be from Ile-Ife. 3 Likes |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by Frenchkiss564: 8:33pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
tonychristopher:yoruba has issues like every other ethnicity in the world, even among family members there are issues, i aint gonna derail the thread bro, where in my post did i say eguns are yorubas Anybody can choose to be anything they like "cheers" 1 Like |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by MacLovington(m): 8:41pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
brownlord:. You may not be aware but the crown prince was an ambassador of 9ja to many countries, his last assignment was as ambassador in Rome, Italy. The Oba is now 91 years old, I think about time the crown prince came home. The current Oba also resigned from his position as permanent secretary to the Cabinent office running Yakubu Gowon's bureaucracy as head of state, to be closer to his dad, Oba Akenzua II about a year before the 1975 coup. Oba Akenzua lived for about 5 more years. Nothing new about the coming home of the crown Prince when the Oba is old. You will remember that when HRH The Eleko came to visit the Oba last year, he was received by the crown prince. You also remember the furore over whether the Oba received GEJ or Shunned him at the palace last year. At the age of about 90, most people would have health challenges. NOTE: There's even a DVD of Iken story courtesy of Bennywood/Nollywood. Grab your copy now. |
Re: Ile-ife, Final Rest Place Of Oba Of Benin? (picture). by maxit2(m): 10:41pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
justi4jesu: NIGERIA is a dirty place. Lagos, Ibadan, Everywhere. If you think i am lying, just land at Murtala Mohammed. The first thing you will see is mud and dirty smelly places. That's supposed to be the entrance into the country. In your house, where is the neatest place? is it not your sitting room, which is the first contact point for visitors ? 9ja in general dirty menhhhh., @Dubai is the cheapest place to go, so calm down with the "in dubai" speech. That was not by any means necessary. |
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