tonychristopher:


but why do most of them claim they aint yoruba and they dont speak yoruba but ijebu just like eguns...maybe you will tell me that benin is yoruba also..cos i understand benin and I understand yoruba and i have not seen much similarity in both..they are different...just take the basic words like come,go,food,god,etc...they aint same in both languages

Morgan567: Chao, I just noticed that edo guys in the house did not recourse to history, rather they choose to curse and swear. Benin guys, tell us your history, enough of the shakara and curses, Oya, open floor.

Marilyn_Nash: Shut up. Didn't you read Ayewosa's post? Is that not history, did he swear or curse? That was the exact story my father told me and the place where the crown princes choose their name is my family's house. Oduduwa came from Bini and not the sky, which one sounds reasonable to you?

Rexxie:
wao!!! Gooddy him!that ancient tradition cant possibly stand in this jet age...gotta know n see who taking after,of cos.

Ijebu was a Yoruba kingdom in pre-colonial Nigeria. It formed around the fifteenth century on the orders of the Oba of Benin. According to legend, its ruling dynasty was founded by Obanta of Ile-Ife, who received the order from the Benin Oba to establish the kingdom. Scholars today have also identified the influence of the Benin Empire in the court art and ritual of the Ijebu.

brownlord:

He sent a word to his father, that is time for him to ascend throne, and the father also replied him by sending native chalk and salt to him saying "just as you are enjoying life, same with me"

It's true Oba does not see the heir to the throne, but the jinx have been broken now, the crown prince and the present Oba did that I think in 2012

MacLovington: .

Correction:

I have posted this b4 on another NL thread.

The crown prince and the Oba do see. There was never a jinx. It was mere pragmatism to broaden the prince's "education" and preparation for the crown.

In any case the Crown Prince only began to live outside the wall surrounding Benin about 500 years back.
And it came about like this:

There was a nobleman and warrior called Iken. He lived at Uselu, which was a different town back then but has now grown to meet Benin proper.

The Oba requested Iken to go to war in Yorubaland. He was already relatively "old" and had no sons.
He made only one request: that His Majesty should please ensure his household was well looked after as he had no son. It's like Iken had premonition.

The Oba assured him that the Crown Prince no less would personally look after his household in his absence.

But Iken died in the war.

As a permanent memorial to Iken the Oba decreed that every crown prince upon reaching maturity should live at Iken's palace until becoming king. And so it is till today.

Oba Akenzua II (educated at King's College Lagos) was secretary to his father (Oba Eweka II). Until Eweka II departed in 1933.

That Oba & Crown prince don't see is a total myth.

Many of my people are dukes of the Kingdom and palace chiefs.

bokohalal: Where are Oruns of the other Oduduwa 's children in Ife?
Is there an Orun Oba Ilesa?

shymexx:

Stop going on a tangent.

Where did the Ogisos drop from? Jupiter or Nibiru, since the folklore about Oduduwa is funny to you?

And all evidences, including the academic source about excavations by archaeologists show that Bini kings were actually buried in Ife. Can you please provide alternate sources to back up your claims?

macof:

Before Oba ovoranmwen(I hope I got the spelling) all obas were buried in Ife

Oba Adolo was the last in 1888

Alaafin's records are not complete...Alaafin has missed out the important fact that the so called slave son was Adimula, the first son of Akanbi, son of Oduduwa
and also that Oranmiyan returned to take his place on the throne of Oduduwa and his family continued the line till today

So don't try to correct me on what you know absolutely nothing about

tonychristopher:


but why do most of them claim they aint yoruba and they dont speak yoruba but ijebu just like eguns...maybe you will tell me that benin is yoruba also..cos i understand benin and I understand yoruba and i have not seen much similarity in both..they are different...just take the basic words like come,go,food,god,etc...they aint same in both languages

sleekman: ur lies and falsehoods no get part 2. Benin art predates Ife art. Bini's were d first 2 start bronze and brass casting cos they 1st came in contact with d portuguese in Nigeria. Prior 2 dat they made carvings and molding. Benin city had d 1st church in Nigeria from d portuguese missionaries that came in d 16th century. That's why Benin chiefs wear a cassock. "The King of Benin can in a single day make 20,000 men ready for war, and, if need be, 180,000, and because of this he has great influence among all the surrounding peoples. . . . His authority stretches over many cities, towns and villages. There is no King thereabouts who, in the possession of so many beautiful cities and towns, is his equal."

—Olfert Dapper, 

tonychristopher:


dont call them oluknmi and they wont bear yoruba...but your statement is funny THEY ARE YORUBA BY LANGAUGE AND IGBO BY CULTURE...IT SOUNDS CONFUSING


LANGUAGE IS THE MAIN and cluture is INGRAINED in It AND FACTOR OF CULTURE.so automatically they are igbo...maybe not pure ones though

Orlando Owoh:
Most people don't know that there is difference between language and dialect. The Yoruba that is mostly spoken is a 'corruption' of the Oyo dialect. The Oyo dialect is used in the translation of the Bible. Other Yoruba groups: Ijebu, Ijesha, Ife, Ondo, Akure, Sabe, Ketu, Owe, Owo, Ifon, Ekiti, etc have their dialects.

Redoil: thanks are you are boyfriend?

brownlord:

Really, so you even know more than the Alaafin, bro you guys know nothing about this history, even an uneducated person know's his father' farmland and boundary, saying Alaafin's record is not correct is an evidence that the bini's are right.

macof:

They don't call themselves Igbo either..it's like a curse to call them Igbo #true fact

They even feel most comfortable being associated with Bini

when I hear ugbodu people speaking I always take them as Yoruba because I can hear some Yoruba words in their speech

macof:

Bro, you are Igbo you should tap small sense into this matter...Aniocha language in Delta is Igbo but is it the same with Umueri Igbos in Anambra??

I am Ekiti, I can't speak Ekiti but I speak Oyo

The language u normally hear as Yoruba in movies, city streets, schools etc. are what I would say semi-pidgin of the Oyo language...as the Oyo empire grew in power and influence...many people picked up their language.

But if Ijebu says 100words, Oyo man would most likely understand 75 of it

macof:

Bro, you are Igbo you should tap small sense into this matter...Aniocha language in Delta is Igbo but is it the same with Umueri Igbos in Anambra??

I am Ekiti, I can't speak Ekiti but I speak Oyo

The language u normally hear as Yoruba in movies, city streets, schools etc. are what I would say semi-pidgin of the Oyo language...as the Oyo empire grew in power and influence...many people picked up their language.

But if Ijebu says 100words, Oyo man would most likely understand 75 of it

Frenchkiss564: i only hear the bolded on nairaland by igbos trying desperately to turn the ijebus to another ikwere, the ikwere pill must be hard for you guys to swallow. The most respected yoruba politician and founder of egbe omo odouduwa, chief awolowo is an ijebu man, their is ijebu-ife, what y'all dont understand is that yoruba is an ethnicity not a tribe
, an ethnic is a conglomeration of tribes hence we hav the ijebu, egba, oyo, awori e.t.c as tribes

9jacrip: Fact: heads of Benin Kings have been buried in Ile-Ife since Eweka till the colonialist took a strong hold and it was stopped - the last 2 Benin Kings were buried in Benin with their complete parts.

Fact: Yoruba was the palace language in Benin until recently, I believe it was stopped by the present Oba because during the predecessor's time, Yoruba was still the palace language.

Benin Monarchy is different from Benin people who had been long in existence before Oranmiyan and Eweka. The Oranmiya/Eweka phenomenal effect was making Benin throne an offshoot and a 'junior' to Ife throne like other Yoruba thrones where Ife gives blessings and confirmation of every ascending king - in the case of Benin, it was furthered by making Yoruba the palace language and burial of Benin king parts in Ife.

The confusion we have today is as a result of egotistic kings who seek to slash history into bits just to be highly placed - above or equal to Ooni. Same is Ijebu with Sudan story. The effect of this egotistic agendas is why we are here arguing place of Oba Ado's death - in a few more decades starting from now, we will begin to argue Yoruba language was never Benin Palace language.

Soon, successful Benin kings will stop going to Ife for blessings and confirmation of kingship and we will start debating if previous Benin kings ever did.

tonychristopher:



hmmmmm....why do you think that igbo is a curse on them that have been forgotten by their kiths and kins and bear strictly igbo names and speak igbo..they abhor been called the names of their kin


tell me

brownlord:

Really, so you even know more than the Alaafin, bro you guys know nothing about this history, even an uneducated person know's his father' farmland and boundary, saying Alaafin's record is not correct is an evidence that the bini's are right.

Marilyn_Nash: Shut up. Didn't you read Ayewosa's post? Is that not history, did he swear or curse? That was the exact story my father told me and the place where the crown princes choose their name is my family's house. Oduduwa came from Bini and not the sky, which one sounds reasonable to you?

MacLovington: .

Correction:

I have posted this b4 on another NL thread.

The crown prince and the Oba do see. There was never a jinx. It was mere pragmatism to broaden the prince's "education" and preparation for the crown.

In any case the Crown Prince only began to live outside the wall surrounding Benin about 500 years back.
And it came about like this:

There was a nobleman and warrior called Iken. He lived at Uselu, which was a different town back then but has now grown to meet Benin proper.

The Oba requested Iken to go to war in Yorubaland. He was already relatively "old" and had no sons.
He made only one request: that His Majesty should please ensure his household was well looked after as he had no son. It's like Iken had premonition.

The Oba assured him that the Crown Prince no less would personally look after his household in his absence.

But Iken died in the war.

As a permanent memorial to Iken the Oba decreed that every crown prince upon reaching maturity should live at Iken's palace until becoming king. And so it is till today.

Oba Akenzua II (educated at King's College Lagos) was secretary to his father (Oba Eweka II). Until Eweka II departed in 1933.

That Oba & Crown prince don't see is a total myth.

Many of my people are dukes of the Kingdom and palace chiefs.

tonychristopher:


my brother nobody is turning ijebu to ikwerre, ikwerre are in oha na eze, we dont have issues just we have some disgruntled elements and they are not in majority. if i were you you shouldnt have started comparism not to derail the thread...we are learning but if you want it to be derailed we are ready.

but its not my intention, and do not create the impression that yorubas are one big happy family cos we know they aint..not all yorubas belive in oduduwa bunkum, the reasonable ones have seen the loop holes the crazy ones swallowed oduduwa hook line nad sinker...but i am learning from others not you and please dont quote me again...i wont want to derail una thread biko

if you want to know more about egun please this is how they categorically said they aint yorubas
http://mybadagry.org/?page_id=5

http://saharareporters.com/2014/03/04/exclusion-ogu-egun-people-lagos-and-ogun-national-conference-delegates%E2%80%99-list



keep playing ostrich

brownlord:

This is a new version, well i'm not going to argue on this as i have little or no knowledge but i doubt if the crown prince and the oba do see, except you can explain the meaning of what happened 2012 when the crown prince was welcome to the palace and a big celebration this cause.

justi4jesu:

DIRTY CITY..

IN DUBAI IT IS CALLED KACHARA MEANS VERY DIRTY..


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, Nothing fit make me go there no vex