Mogidi:

I was going to reply you but saw this:

@Gaggi
You're right, for someone downloading the zulu wood of 70yr old Arab men, she should be used to dirt by now.

CHESSBOARD:


So Benin OBAs are buried in a Gutter in ILE ife...hmmmm interesting, yorubas looking for relevance everywhere

justi4jesu:

Is that all you've got..Hahahahahahahahaha Dirtiest City in Nigeria . I dey Laugh

all4naija: Let's agree Bini and Yoruba have some commonalities in many areas. I think they are of the same ancestry. That is good for me to go with! I am not for the superiority thing here, please...

shymexx:

Shut ya gob, sissified light-skinned mofo.

This isn't about superiority contest...and everyone on here knows Bini empire was a great empire, and I actually prefer Bini arts to Ife arts. However, this is a discourse about history, and learning to state facts. This is our history as black people, and we need to tell our story the way it happened.

Once we can discern that everything came from Ife, then we can go further back to trace how we got to Ife, from wherever we came from. And like Dr. Henrik Clarke said: “History is a clock that people use to tell their political and cultural time of day. It is also a compass that people use to find themselves on the map of human geography. History tells a people where they have been and what they have been, where they are and what they are. Most important, history tells a people where they still must go, what they still must be. The relationship of history to the people is the same as the relationship of a mother to her child.”

shymexx:

Shut ya gob, sissified light-skinned mofo.

This isn't about superiority contest...and everyone on here knows Bini empire was a great empire, and I actually prefer Bini arts to Ife arts. However, this is a discourse about history, and learning to state facts. This is our history as black people, and we need to tell our story the way it happened.

Once we can discern that everything came from Ife, then we can go further back to trace how we got to Ife, from wherever we came from. And like Dr. Henrik Clarke said: “History is a clock that people use to tell their political and cultural time of day. It is also a compass that people use to find themselves on the map of human geography. History tells a people where they have been and what they have been, where they are and what they are. Most important, history tells a people where they still must go, what they still must be. The relationship of history to the people is the same as the relationship of a mother to her child.”

all4naija:
You are always fond of basking in the euphoria of your interesting antagonism. I don't admire that much in your stand on any topic in this forum. Indeed, I would at this point let you know that I am not against learning about black history but for people to turn it into something of discourse and superiority. They are things I find distasteful in this whole discussion.

Meanwhile, the disagreement have been expressed with disregard for the commonalities, they are something to look into first before discussing on the nuances which differentiate both groups. The similarities of both cultures cannot be over-emphasized as they concern what comes to be known about their territories and their past movement between the boundaries which separate them in the contemporary. However, it is clear Yoruba and Bini people are of the same lineage that must be wholeheartedly accepted and carefully bridled in this complicated views by many, who barely know a thing of what they're talking about, including you in your high-ego displayed in a way to look vast in the subject yet have no much idea of what you are talking about. That is something I must accept with a pinch of salt.

Looking at your quoted excerpt from Dr. Henrik Clarke's, there is a little thing you failed to understand about modernity. It's long evolved beyond group, which, I think Dr. Henrik Clarke was right on about in his writing. That is, he addressed all human from a point of view as to moving forward than a particular group of people. The way forward is to address humanity than some group of people with related cultural backgrounds.

The world is evolve, man. Please, tag along!

shymexx: [s][/s]

Should I reply or ignore? Er, I'll just post one comment and don't bother quoting me back. A broken clock is right twice a day, however, with you, you're a broken record in which getting anything right is more or less a pipe-dream. You've never posted anything sensible on this forum, and perhaps, it has more to do with the neanderthal blood in you than anything else.

The thread is about history and historical facts. However, like the unrepentant psychopath, destined for sectioning, that you're - you had to bring your idi.otic sermons about "modernity," which is more or less the progression of other people's civilisation to the discourse, in lieu of people discussing their own history. How dumb can you be? Then you added the superiority angle, which isn't part of the discourse, to it just to spice-up your inane argument. Let's say I posited based on historical facts that: Oyo empire got its cavalry from the Bariba's(an argument I've made several times) - does that mean the Bariba's were superior to the imperial Oyo folks? Can you see how dumb you sound now, prick?

Anyway, fvck off the thread with ya half-neanderthal ar.se and don't quote me back, you melanin deficiency having minger.

5thNOTE: which book, books written by ppl like u, who have once argue and wished to collect the ancestory attribute? What do u expect them to write? What soots them and on their sides.

rahazaqa: Atleast,we still have Origin unlike Igbo,s .who has no Origin!!! I will tell you ur Origin,this is it below:

ayewosa: So later when the people of Benin Kingdom came to Ife they search everywhere for their Oba. But couldn't find him, Oduduwa welcome them and ask them what they were looking for and they narrated all that happened, Oduduwa has already know he's the one they're talking about. So he told them he's the one they are looking for. The people from Benin Kingdom began to plead for forgiveness. So they told Oduduwa that he has to return with them to Benin Kingdom so that peace will reign again in the land. But Oduduwa told them he's old now and moreover he's the Oba here in Ife. So he decided he'll give them his first child to rule as king in the land of Benin Kingdom. The people of Benin Kingdom was thankful and return with the son of Oduduwa. The son of Oduduwa was not understanding bini language, he speaks only Yoruba. On getting to the palace in great Benin Kingdom. Peace return to the land and things were back to how it was from the beginning. The first few days when Oduduwa son came to the palace he didn't talk to anyone because of the language difference. So one afternoon when he was walking around the palace he saw some guards playing (Ayo game) that game you play with seeds. So he was interested and joined them, so why playing with them he won a turn and said in Yoruba Owomi ka ( my hand have caught it) so the the guards and elders watching shouted that the Oba has finally spoken his name. From there they called him Eweka. He was Eweka the first( Eweka I) the son was Eweka II. And so on like that. So the relationship between us the Benin and Yoruba is that we share the same great ancestors.
Please I didn't form this story it is how my dad told me. Have shared them with my room mate in my undergraduate days.

Sweetlemon:

What I mean by claim is that the Yorubas say that Ishekiris, Igalas, etc are Yorubas. Not that the Yorubas say that they are Ishekiris.

baby_123: When we think of Oduduwa and his coming. It is a strange story with a lot of holes. There is no way in hell a complete stranger will be allowed to just rule without an intense battle. As there would have been reigning kings, and the oral history would have been told of a deposed king.

There is also no way that the Benin chiefs could have been sure it was a descendant of Oduduwa they brought back after so many years in exile. Also, how did Oduduwa know where to go on exile and why was he so accepted easily if the two groups were unrelated. A stranger in a strange land would have been something that will create paranoia. Who is this Oduduwa, I think when we can answer that question then we know. Are we even sure he was even Yoruba or Benin?

tonychristopher:
the Benin chief must have invented dna testing which they did on the spot on oduduwa to ascertain his genealogy ....lol ...so ODUDUWA no fall from sky ...I used to think he was the fallen angel the demons chased away from the sky came down had siblings and children which are the YORUBAS
origin lol...but where do YORUBAS and Benin speak same language ...IJEBUS don't even speak same language with YORUBAS not to talk of far away Benin

tonychristopher:


the Benin chief must have invented dna testing which they did on the spot on oduduwa to ascertain his genealogy ....lol ...so ODUDUWA no fall from sky ...I used to think he was the fallen angel the demons chased away from the sky came down had siblings and children which are the YORUBAS


origin lol...but where do YORUBAS and Benin speak same language ...IJEBUS don't even speak same language with YORUBAS not to talk of far away Benin

baby_123:
Ijebu dialect is different from OYO Yoruba which is Lagos Yoruba and what you are used to. Ekiti, Ijesha, ondo dialect are also very different. So it is possible. And Benin people have mixed with other surrounding tribes which may influence their language. So it's really impossible to tell. In the diaspora, in some countries they call Yoruba religion Lucumi, those Lucumi people are in delta state amongst Igbo's. So you see the kind of confusion? People were breaking away and carrying their culture with them. The thing is when groups get too big, resources are scarce. So they break away to survive

jude33084:


Try to visit the Oba palace for a tour


It is free of charge no cost.




















The Yorubas said Oduduwa came from Heaven

tonychristopher:

...IJEBUS don't even speak same language with YORUBAS not to talk of far away Benin

tonychristopher:
yeah very CORRECT ...Benin I know very well ain't same with yoruba and as of olukumi...they are now more or less igbo cos they bear igbo names and hate been called yoruba and their igbo name is ukwu nzu which they are comfortable with
I understand Benin and yoruba but I just can not see any similarity
pls educate me on this
Benin believe they colonized YORUBAS and vassals ...pls elucidate on this pls

Atigba: This absolute rubbish,I discover that people tend to twist history to suit what they believe or feel

tonychristopher:


IS IT THAT STUPID ORIGIN OF ONE IDIOT COMMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN WITH A COCKK AND TYING LOINCLOTH WITH CHICKEN.... THAT UNA ODUDUWA STORY IS JUST PLAINLY STUPID...ITS BETTER TO CLOSE YOUR MOUTH LIKE IGBOS THANK TALKING FOOLISHLY IN TERMS OF IDIOTIC ORIGIN

rahazaqa: Atleast,we still have Origin unlike Igbo,s .who has no Origin!!! I will tell you ur Origin,this is it below:

Doncolio: A simple DNA three would have done more justice than all these cooked up stories.

If you are from Benin or Ife, i'll suggest you believe what you may as history as already been rewritten. Too bad most of us can only know what we read in books whether framed as the truth or not.

ayewosa:
Please let me chip in this, Oduduwa while with the people of Ife never share the stories of his background with the people of Ife. The only part they know of was that people came from Benin Kingdom and the son of Oduduwa was used as king among the Benin people.
This later answer my doubts that why will the Yoruba history claim Oduduwa came from the sky. So true that they never knew where he came from. It is believed by that he came from the gods.
So lastly I'll say we're one family.
Thank you