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Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Tbamo(m): 10:24am On Jul 03, 2014 |
For all. Non medical personnel viewing this post let me draw parallels for you so you can understand NMAs position LAW: paralegals fight to become SANs! Because they have worked for so many years and no how to produce law Briefs better than most lawyers ACCOUNTING : Clerks in major companies want to be viewed as chartered accountants because they know the company's books better than the accountant EDUCATION: lab attendants want to become professors ENGINEERING:mechanics refer to themselves as engineers based on the road side tutelage they have received The fact is in every sector there is always the pinnacle of the sector where a specific few who have certain qualities others lack have risen to! Most of these people are referred to as professional or are said to study professional courses in the university! In any sane environment these distinctions help to create peace and a sense of duty! Even in the jungle a lion is a lion! Consultants are referred to as Attendings in the USA! And I have never heard of an attending nurse or an attending pharmacist! Why do you covet what has been nurtured and protected by doctors for years! The only reason a consultant is carried with prestige in the hospital is because all and sundry can see the pain he went through to get there! JOHESU has bastardized the doctor tag with even the med lab guy referring to himself as a doctor ! So NMA says no to you further bastardizing our most esteemed title ! The consultant! Find some other appellation e.g most superior nurse, the most powerful physio etc Lollllolololo!' 13 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by ikechiozo: 10:25am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phantomm: please stop luring shamelessly here. doctors send patients to erondu because he gives them a cut per patient they send. say the truth. it is unethical to split fees in medicine and those doctors are committing crimes BUT as per expertise, image diagnostics is zero. in UPTH, before you are treated, you must repeat the radio. investigations in the radiology dept of Upth. they don't accept results from outside. what knowledge do degree holders in radiography have about diagnoses?? don't make me laugh.they are bound to make wrong diagnoses once in a while.no one is infallible.but to say they send to image diagnostics because of wrong diagnoses us a bare faced lie. people are becoming aware that image is not a doctor and thank god professionalism is coming into play. in the last couple of years proper diagnostic centers are opening up.trans view, union, precision, George's e.t.c. I don´t have the time to explain these things to you, but from an insiders perspective, i know the truth. Thats all |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by debuscket(m): 10:27am On Jul 03, 2014 |
@phantom if l have not worked in Lagos, l would be tempted to believe ur lie abt Radiologists having there stamps bt that is not d bone of contention. I remember vividly during my internship in a fed teaching hsptl, some clinicians esp consultants would plead dt our most Senior chief in d dept (chief radiographer) should handle dia case. This is because he as good as knows it all as far as rdphy is concerned. If dis chief is made a consultant radiographer, l see no way it should be a problem to d gynaecologist, obstetrician, surgeon, etc because he consults in his own field nd doesn't interfere in others' fields. Likewise other professionals in other fields. lf d civil service law stipulates dt upon reaching level 15, one is entitled to become a director, how is dt suppose to be a problem to the docs. It's high time we saw ourselves as colleagues nd teammates in healthcare nd stop antagonising each osha. A basic med knowledge is dt d patient is d most important person in d hospital, let's consider dem 1st nd stop dis ego. thing 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 10:27am On Jul 03, 2014 |
ikechiozo:let your government fund healthcare and train their doctors.is it my fault I am stuck with an archaic MRI or ct machine? is it my fault our mammo machine is dead? who will train me in interventional radiology? how many do we have in Nigeria apart from Ahidjo and gambari in the north who were trained abroad? pattern recognition loooooooooool. o boy how can you diagnose sarcoidosis on xray when you don't know what it is,its epidemiology and its pathophysiology?? abeg die this matter. 6 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Nobody: 10:28am On Jul 03, 2014 |
After all the grammer they are blowing, let them attend to patients now doctors are on strike. Even though the doctors' demands and reasons for going on strike are not tangible enuogh, I guess they are doing it to curtail the over- ambitious attitude of other health workers in the system. There is nowhere in the world where support staff can have equal rights with core staff. In the health sector, especially hospitals, staff other than the doctors are support staff. Let JOHESU or whatever they call themselves take it or not. 6 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by vicenzo(m): 10:31am On Jul 03, 2014 |
heykims: Do you blame them. When Optometrists no longer want a B.sc in Optometry but are now wasting six years in the university just to change their normal B.sc cert of 4years to O.D( doctor of Optometry). Every one wants to answer a Doctor by fire and by force, yet none want to make the sacrifices required to be deemed fit enough to be admitted into an MBBS programme. Bunch of charlatans! 7 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 10:32am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Burger01: Doctors and pride! Like they can run the health system without the supports of other function parts of the system. SMHthis issues discussed here are way to deep for you.you are better of not having an opinion. we are striking today so that people like you won't get treated by a consultant nurse tomorrow, because let's face it, going by post above you wouldn't be able to tell a consultant cleaner from a consultant gynaecologist. 5 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Tbamo(m): 10:36am On Jul 03, 2014 |
debuscket: @phantom if l have not worked in Lagos, l would be tempted to believe ur lie abt Radiologists having there stamps bt that is not d bone of contention. I remember vividly during my internship in a fed teaching hsptl, some clinicians esp consultants would plead dt our most Senior chief in d dept (chief radiographer) should handle dia case. This is because he as good as knows it all as far as rdphy is concerned. If dis chief is made a consultant radiographer, l see no way it should be a problem to d gynaecologist, obstetrician, surgeon, etc because he consults in his own field nd doesn't interfere in others' fields. Likewise other professionals in other fields. lf d civil service law stipulates dt upon reaching level 15, one is entitled to become a director, how is dt suppose to be a problem to the docs. It's high time we saw ourselves as colleagues nd teammates in healthcare nd stop antagonising each osha. A basic med knowledge is dt d patient is d most important person in d hospital, let's consider dem 1st nd stop dis ego. thing To your point even in law a SAN would have his favorite paralegal who he wants to type his brief for him! I have my favorite nurses I like to work with because they understand me ! One of them is even called my wife because of our almost telepathic connection when working! But that does not make her more than what she is( an assistant)! For him to now covet the doctors consultant title is funny ! He knows how to operate the X-ray machine better than most of his surbordinates but what else does he know! Can he differentiate between a normal chest Radiograph and a defective one ! The answer his a big NO! He his just a good radiographer! There are experienced surgeons who have worked for years and can carry out certain procedures even consultants in the speciality would not touch but they don't and cannot because of their experience abrogate the title consultant to themselves! The same way only lawyers can become SANS, lecturers can become Professors, so is the same way only doctors can become consultants in the medical fields!! Shikena!! 7 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Inkredible(m): 10:36am On Jul 03, 2014 |
theexpected:pay no mind to that quoting error. Err body can't be a Consultant. U need to get my point of view which is to allow other practitioners to improve and become wat they want to become. Its now left for whoever that wants to fill in the consultancy gap to acquire the necessary knowledge n training. N this will only amount to few individuals succeeding. Tell me, will u be happy if because u r not the first Son n ur dad wills everything to him even when u know the property can go round comfortably? |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 10:37am On Jul 03, 2014 |
ikechiozo:yeah.......because it has also dawned on you that I'm also an insider.erondu shares hampers and gifts to doctors who have really sent the mist patients to him every Christmas.true or false? is it ethical to split fees? just because those vain port Harcourt oil wives who don't know their left from their right throng to his place just to know the sex of their babies DOES NOT make him a radiologist. he's just a very good businessman. QED. 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Uncleodi(m): 10:37am On Jul 03, 2014 |
debuscket: @phantom do u knw dt Dr Okechukwu Erondu of image diagnostics pH u mentioned dumped MBBS to study med radiography@ UNN. Do u knw Hw many docs he employed in his centre. U cited an exceptional case where a radiographer wrongly reported ur case to be a normal chest radiograph, u of all pple should knw dt even ur consultants r not immune to mistakes and who told u dt radiography is all abt x-ray nd CT(which u can't even handle) who Man's such modalities as MRI, radiotherapy, ultrasound, mammography, etc. Nobody is trying to take anybody's position bt 4 one to call a fellow team mate in d healthcare team "inferior nd unnecessary" as well as try to hinder his progress in his chosen field/profession is uncalled for nd unacceptable. Most(not all docs) r just being too egocentric. Long live JOHESU Dr. Okechukwu Erondu is well known to me. Although he has a lot of Doctors on his Pay book but u forgot a part of the story. It was his desire to be an MBBS doctor but due to his inability to Pass the Oct 1995 2nd MBBS exam, he was withdrawn from medical school. So I wonder who dumped who. 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Mbediogu(m): 10:40am On Jul 03, 2014 |
How many Dr. Erondu's can you count? If he had MBBS earlier, then he cannot be a radiographer. If he passed the exams he is a radiologist which is a specialist position. A world of difference. |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by heykims(m): 10:40am On Jul 03, 2014 |
PharmGreg:Yes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 10:42am On Jul 03, 2014 |
debuscket: @phantom if l have not worked in Lagos, l would be tempted to believe ur lie abt Radiologists having there stamps bt that is not d bone of contention. I remember vividly during my internship in a fed teaching hsptl, some clinicians esp consultants would plead dt our most Senior chief in d dept (chief radiographer) should handle dia case. This is because he as good as knows it all as far as rdphy is concerned. If dis chief is made a consultant radiographer, l see no way it should be a problem to d gynaecologist, obstetrician, surgeon, etc because he consults in his own field nd doesn't interfere in others' fields. Likewise other professionals in other fields. lf d civil service law stipulates dt upon reaching level 15, one is entitled to become a director, how is dt suppose to be a problem to the docs. It's high time we saw ourselves as colleagues nd teammates in healthcare nd stop antagonising each osha. A basic med knowledge is dt d patient is d most important person in d hospital, let's consider dem 1st nd stop dis ego. thingI agree! everyone can aspire to be what they want to be. you seem intelligent so let me ask you. are our people intelligent enough to differentiate a consultant physician from a consultant pharmacist? don't you think like everything in this country, this particular issue WILL be abused?? who will suffer? do you think the patient is the center in all this? our people are largely illiterate and I can assure you corrupt paramedical will use this as an opportunity to fleece Nigerians. my brother open your eyes. this will destroy healthcare.mark my words! 6 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by kinguwem: 10:43am On Jul 03, 2014 |
From what is going on in the health sector, it is obvious that government cannot run the system efficiently. Politics & sentiments have over-ridden common sense. The NMA (medical doctors) have their problems but Johesu (paramedics) don't seem to know their functions in the hospital. As their name imply, they are simply hospital support staff. The issue here is poverty (what do I take home). The doctor is the head of the team. There are different specialties/subspecialists in medicine. The healthcare delivery system cannot function properly without them. He sees patients, makes a diagnosis & outlines management. The nurses (largest in number) are the custodians of patients, they observe them & give feedback to the doctors. The laboratory scientists/technologist/technician etc. are domicile in the lab. & can work on samples without necessarily having contact with patients. Few of them are needed in a hospital. The pharmacist are not primarily trained to work in the hospital. Few of them are needed to run the hospital pharmacy. The Johesu press release is a document designed to misinform the public & to gain undue relevance & fringe benefits. Strikes in the health sector is detrimental to the patients. They should be alternative ways of settling industrial disputes. Finally, government should begin a gradual process of partnering with the private section to run her hospitals. This is the only way the system can be efficient. 6 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Inkredible(m): 10:45am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phantomm: this issues discussed here are way to deep for you.you are better of not having an opinion. we are striking today so that people like you won't get treated by a consultant nurse tomorrow, because let's face it, going by post above you wouldn't be able to tell a consultant cleaner from a consultant gynaecologist.My dear, a consultant nurse will do wonders o. He! I know wat m saying bro. Forget this Doctors public status. Nurses nowadays r fire. Been privileged to witness wia a student nurse defended a medical student who made a point but couldn't explain it during a ward round. Come see the Chief fuming and bastardizing the med students for not been able to answer his questions while a "common nurse" is doing so. I don witness dis things up to 8 times. On one occasion, the Chief had to tell the nurses not to go on rounds with em. Of course its not possible, the student nurse had to keep shut to questions. My guy, those nurses are fire. 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by sisiafrika(f): 10:45am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Jummy mine: i am a surgeon, and sincerely i am yet to meet a doctor who says the others who workin the health system are not important. the situation in nigeria is simply pathetic. we have developed a culture of not knowing our places, simply and short!who made u a sugeon? Re u done wit residency? Wen did u fiinish house jobs sef. Park well. Ur english is horrible too. Mr know all. No be dis OAU? 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Burger01(m): 10:48am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phantomm: this issues discussed here are way to deep for you.you are better of not having an opinion. we are striking today so that people like you won't get treated by a consultant nurse tomorrow, because let's face it, going by post above you wouldn't be able to tell a consultant cleaner from a consultant gynaecologist.Pride! Written all over you. I know the issues discussed. I don't need your pride infested itis of your damned brain. It's only in Nigeria I see doctors with such stupid pride as this mofo. |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by bigpastor(m): 10:51am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Acidosis: We have accountants, auditors and head of Administration who are not doctors. That's OK but NOT THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR haba that position is SACROSANCT just like the Chief Judge or the Vice Chancellor of the High Court & university respectively. Abeg JOHESU make una chill from that side 3 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Quelme: 10:54am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Uncle odi:chai! Your level of reasoning is far too low by a mile. So long as you're a Ph.D holder you can be addressed as a Doctor, Yes or No.? So, of what importance is the title anyway. MBBS is a first degree and so is BMLS and D.Pharm. So, Bleep off Mr clinician... 2 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 10:54am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Burger01:..... but you ll push your kids into medicine the slightest chance you get.....newt! lol 6 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Nobody: 10:56am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Consultants and Chief Medical Officers in other Government Hospitals in the Developed World (International best practices/standards). We do not need to travel far and wide to know what is happening in other parts of the world because the world has become a global village, all thanks to information technology. The conflict in Nigeria health sector has tugged me to search for what is obtainable on the key warring issues in other developed countries. Ideally the Nigeria Health system format is supposed to be compared with that of the Britain(not the Americans) since Nigeria adopted and is using the British educational/health systems; however reference has been made on American health system in this write up, for obvious reason. I really don't know what some of you think, i say some because not all think the way most of you do. To you, you are infallible in your field. Only doctors make mistakes Should I start from how x-ray films are so poorly shot, or how nurses have maltreated patients in the ward to the extent that patients fear to approach them, or how erroneous lab result can be, that most results are repeated in private lab like pathcare, and if a doctor subjects such results to evaluation and clarification, such doctor becomes arrogant, if he goes ahead with the result and patient don't get better, you run back to say the doctor is incompetent. Like always say, all you are good at is stirring up emotion from the 'ignorant masses'. imagine the way JOHESU started their press release, the same manner of stirring blackmailing emotions. For a doctor to become a specialist, a consultant, he passes through one of the most demanding post graduate training and examination, trained in both art and science of medicine. No matter how long a Medical Officer (doctor, not on residency training) works in a teaching hospital, he can never become a consultant or CMD. But a nurse wants to become a consultant without further training, how does that sound to your ear. A teaching hospital is given such name because it's basically for training, what does a nurse know about training of resident doctors. To worsen issues, such consultant nurse wants to see patients just like consultant doctor... on a lighter note, I think the world has finally come to an end, there's no better sign than this [center][/center] humnsikan: This is getting too much. These 5 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by sisiafrika(f): 10:56am On Jul 03, 2014 |
FD_enigma: An Analysis of JOHESU (continued):many not some. For u to graduate as a pharmacist, u must have d passion for it. U would never graduate if ur wishing to be sumtin else while in pharm schl. Nobody calls me doctor without getting some education, I'm a pharmacist and a proud one at dat. Never and will evr wish to be a med doc. And d general idea dat second class brain go into those allied med is so amusing. I rejected an admission into UI medicine wen I was in ss2.. Cum down ur high horse. |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Burger01(m): 11:01am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phantomm: ..... but you ll push your kids into medicine the slightest chance you get.....newt! lolNitwit! You don't need to push your kids into medicine if that won't be his/her interest. Interest varies and I believe there are equally better professions out there with pay X3 yours. Please tell me one ICD code to qualify your dysfunction cerebral.. Pride. SMH |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 11:03am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Burger01:** o lord, where's an insecticide when you need one? ** 5 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Burger01(m): 11:05am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phantomm: ** o lord, where's an insecticide when you need one? **Good for you. Meatball. 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 11:05am On Jul 03, 2014 |
s!s! afrika:but you colleagues answer 'doctor' in town. carrying stethoscopes about like their lives depend on them.....lol 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by bumfem: 11:09am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Drphemmy4u: After d usual 6yrs (plus Xyears) in medical school,1year internship and 1year NYSC,a Doctor could proceed on post graduate studies by writing primaries depending on d specialty he wants to go into.this could be laboratory medicine(histopathology,microbiology,chemical pathology,haematology),Radiology etc.this involves passing 3 exams.Candidates pay between 100-150k per exam.Doctors could write the exams many times before passing and can even get released from residency in a teaching hospital if he fails to progress within a set time period.it takes 6-12yrs depending on your speed(plus research work),thus becoming a consultant in that specialty(taking 14-20yrs of academic and hospital practice).NOW,a lab scientist who studied only at undergraduate level in 5yrs wants to become a consultant in that field simply because he has been using reagents and analysing samples?those who can go for masters and PhD amongst them should do so and become lecturers under the university(They lecture medical students in pathology classes too).This needless fight for supremacy should stop.The patients are at the receiving end here.This is kind of mind set I hate reading on this forum. Physicians cannot impose their guide line of ascendancy on other health profession. Be reminded that these other professionals have their postgraduate colleges that determine standard for appointment of consultant. If the govt is fine with their standard by way of approval and recognition, what is the concern of physicians on this. They are consultant in their own field and not in medicine. It is therefore wicked and insulting for NMA to embark on strike bc of this. 2 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by Quelme: 11:11am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Tbamo: For all. Non medical personnel viewing this post let me draw parallels for you so you can understand NMAs positionnow there's a conscious awakening and a paradigm shift mr clinician. So, deal with it... 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by ikechiozo: 11:13am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Uncle odi:SMH!! So this is the kind of deceit you people are fed with? As at this time you quoted he was working towards his M.Sc in Medical Imaging at the University of Nigeria. |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by phantomm: 11:14am On Jul 03, 2014 |
bumfem:I know of west African college of nurses ( cracks me up everytime...lol ) can you please list the others? 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Press Release on the NMA STRIKE by ikechiozo: 11:14am On Jul 03, 2014 |
phantomm: let your government fund healthcare and train their doctors.is it my fault I am stuck with an archaic MRI or ct machine? is it my fault our mammo machine is dead? who will train me in interventional radiology? how many do we have in Nigeria apart from Ahidjo and gambari in the north who were trained abroad? Is that your most challenging Case? Grow up!! |
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