PastorAIO:

I'm watching it now. I won't be able to watch it all this morning. However from the little I've watched I've already found one error (at 4:00) and he calls it the 'most' important reason why he hates Israel. He says, 'Allah does not like jews'. What!!?

Yet the facts show that Jews have always thrived in Islamic countries. It is the christian Europeans that do not like Jews. It is the New testament that is infused full of Anti-semitic propaganda. Every time the Jews are cleansed out of a european country they run to an islamic country where they are given shelter.

I'll watch some more and comment later.

You mean Egyptians, Palestinians, Iraq, Iran love Israel?

OMG! He is really piling up the BS high and thick.

This man is obviously a propaganda tool. Check out 5:40, His father who was an imam did not really completely understand Islam, but obviously he does.This is just anti islam propaganda that he is dishing out. So his father had a noble goal to bring happiness to people but he tried to do it through Islam and islam was incapable of delivering that promise. So What religion or political system since the dawn of time has actually delivered that promise? I must ask that question.

'Muhammed couldn't bring justice and happiness to his people 1400 years ago', he says. I don't know that much about islam but I know that there is no religion and few ideologies that do not promise some sort of an Utopian ideal. People say the same thing that Jesus died 2000 years ago and yet we are still suffering, and everybody is still sinning so what difference did he make. You see this kind of thinking totally misses the point.

Muhammad and all the islamic leaderships could not bring justice and happiness to the world, HOWEVER the islamic civilisations for half a millennium were at the cutting edge of human progress and human civic progress. All the knowledge of the ancients were preserved by them while the christians of western europe were descending into barbarity. All the Europe has today started when they made more intimate contact with Islamic civilisations. So you see that guy is just absolutely wrong on historical grounds. It is no surprise that he does not cite any actual instances where 'they brought destruction on themselves'.

Menh. I've watched enough for now.

shdemidemi:

You mean Egyptians, Palestinians, Iraq, Iran love Israel?

What did you smoke this early morning? Did I say that they love them? Egyptians, Palestinains, Iraq are recent creations as modern nations. Islamic societies through history have been more tolerant and welcoming of Jews that any christian society ever. This all changed sometime in the 20th century. Try and make a study of the change and why it happened.

Can we speak about the present relationship between these two separate nations...

Do you agree there is hatred between Israel and the arab nations?

shdemidemi: Can we speak about the present relationship between these two separate nations...

Do you agree there is hatred between Israel and the arab nations?

You're a 'christian'. Does it make sense to talk about redemption without talking about the Fall?

Does it make sense for a doctor to prescribe a medication without first doing a diagnosis of what went wrong?

In court, does it make sense to pass judgement without first investigated a case to it's origins?

Why is there Hatred between Israel and Arab nations? Can you explain to me why anyone should suddenly start hating another person?

PastorAIO:

You're a 'christian'. Does it make sense to talk about redemption without talking about the Fall?

Does it make sense for a doctor to prescribe a medication without first doing a diagnosis of what went wrong?

In court, does it make sense to pass judgement without first investigated a case to it's origins?

Why is there Hatred between Israel and Arab nations? Can you explain to me why anyone should suddenly start hating another person?

If the bible is anything to go by, we both know the source of the problem today. Israel today is a legitimate country that has the right to protect its territory. The state maintains and conduct their activities in accordance to the rule of law to a reasonable degree compared to all the terrorist organisations around them.

What would you have Israel do, really?

PastorAIO:

You're a 'christian'. Does it make sense to talk about redemption without talking about the Fall?

Does it make sense for a doctor to prescribe a medication without first doing a diagnosis of what went wrong?

In court, does it make sense to pass judgement without first investigated a case to it's origins?

Why is there Hatred between Israel and Arab nations? Can you explain to me why anyone should suddenly start hating another person?

Incase you are wondering who's liking your comments. I'm one of them.

nep2ra:
Incase you are wondering who's liking your comments. I'm one of them.

Thank you.

shdemidemi:
If the bible is anything to go by, we both know the source of the problem today. Israel today is a legitimate country that has the right to protect its territory. The state maintains and conduct their activities in accordance to the rule of law to a reasonable degree compared to all the terrorist organisations around them.
What would you have Israel do, really?

How did Israel become a legitimate country?

could you expand on what you mean on 'if the bible is anything to go by'...?

I won't get into the other claims you made cos I just want to stick with the historical root of the issue.

Weselion: There must be a reason behind Israel attacking. Israel Is one peaceful country but if you find their trouble.....its disastrous

The degree of ignorance and stupidity in this country is alarming..... ok istreal is a peace country because it is prophesied in the bible and hence the Palestinian are at the one to blame for being killed by a superior military state.

Religious believe is dangerous to humanity, believing in some fairytales written by some bias myopic sadist and racist poets is one of the reason for all the calamity facing humanity.

we should condemn the action of tyranny and devilish istreali state not based on religion but as humanity.

by the way istreal is a jewish state
check out demography of istreal
74% jew
19% islam
3% xtian
4% others

shdemidemi:

If the bible is anything to go by, we both know the source of the problem today. Israel today is a legitimate country that has the right to protect its territory. The state maintains and conduct their activities in accordance to the rule of law to a reasonable degree compared to all the terrorist organisations around them.

What would you have Israel do, really?

istreal is not protecting it's territory but terrorising others and occupying their land.

abdulwastecx:

istreal is not protecting it's territory but terrorising others and occupying their land.

At this point, what exactly do you think groups like Hamas and other terrorist organisation want?

shdemidemi:

At this point, what exactly do you think groups like Hamas and other terrorist organisation want?

You nor dey follow me talk again? I asked some questions...


How did Israel become a legitimate country?

could you expand on what you mean on 'if the bible is anything to go by'...?

I won't get into the other claims you made cos I just want to stick with the historical root of the issue.

abdulwastecx:

istreal is not protecting it's territory but terrorising others and occupying their land.

May I ask why you spell Israel with a t in it?

davidylan:

You mean its "very excessive" in comparison to America's response to 9-11? Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Iraq... even the Nigerian military response to the Odi killings? I'm at a loss as to what these PC crowd expect Israel to do? Its easy to criticize from the comfort of your high chair. Lucky you, you dont have to download an app to remind you of the next hamas rocket heading your way.

brother whar are u smoking?
the state of istreal was created on 14 may 1948 in the territory of present day Palestine, how do u compare an the action of invading troops performing ethnic cleansing with terrirism.

u cannot comoare the war against bokoharam, or american war in iraq and Afghanistan to Palestinian struggle. the istreali state is not a legitimate one, only a bigot clouded with religious bias will object that.

shdemidemi:

At this point, what exactly do you think groups like Hamas and other terrorist organisation want?

You have to define terrorism in the first place.
during the fight for independence USA use terrorism to actualize their freedom from British, republic of Northern Ireland did thesame thing.
Hamas is military organization fighting for the right of the people of Palestinian

PastorAIO:

May I ask why you spell Israel with a t in it?

some typo error... typing through my phone

abdulwastecx:

You have to define terrorism in the first place.
during the fight for independence USA use terrorism to actualize their freedom from British, republic of Northern Ireland did thesame thing.
Hamas is military organization fighting for the right of the people of Palestinian

Terrorists like Nelson Mandela.

PastorAIO:

Terrorists like Nelson Mandela.

Nelson Mandela was called a socialist terrorist by the AFRICANAR racist white apartheid led gov't of struggle during his struggle for equal and just south Africa

abdulwastecx:

You have to define terrorism in the first place.
during the fight for independence USA use terrorism to actualize their freedom from British, republic of Northern Ireland did thesame thing.
Hamas is military organization fighting for the right of the people of Palestinian

Let's don't deviate, take terrorism out of it all together.

Do you really think Hamas' agenda is only to protect its territory?

shdemidemi:

Let's don't deviate, take terrorism out of it all together.

Do you really think Hamas' agenda is only to protect its territory?

I will Hamas agenda is to reclaim the lost territory but the approach use is wrong.

othere neighboring arab state need to help palestine achieve their aim.
don't get me wrong, I am not say Israeli citizen of 7.7 million should be explled from the midle east, but isreal need to stop further expansion, go back to the 1948 boundary, compensate the Palestinian people and sign a peace treaty.

u think Egypt, syria and oil rich saudi arabia, Kuwait, Qatar also need to play a huge role
For Egypt they need 5o sacrifices some of the desert land in the sinai peninsula to Palestine
the oil rich state need to help fund the recinstruction of Palestinian instead of embezzling the excess crude oil money

abdulwastecx:

Nelson Mandela was called a socialist terrorist by the AFRICANAR racist white apartheid led gov't of struggle during his struggle for equal and just south Africa

and Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist by Margaret Thatcher and the British government.

And he was called a terrorist by Ronald Reagan and the US Govt. In fact he was only removed from the terrorist list in the year 2007.

I believe he was also considered terrorist by the Australian govt and the Israeli govt, though I can't confirm that for now.

The point I'm trying to make is that calling people terrorists is getting tired now. We all know it is just a ploy to discredit your opponents during a freedom struggle.

abdulwastecx:

I will Hamas agenda is to reclaim the lost territory but the approach use is wrong.

othere neighboring arab state need to help palestine achieve their aim.
don't get me wrong, I am not say Israeli citizen of 7.7 million should be explled from the midle east, but isreal need to stop further expansion, go back to the 1948 boundary, compensate the Palestinian people and sign a peace treaty.

u think Egypt, syria and oil rich saudi arabia, Kuwait, Qatar also need to play a huge role
For Egypt they need 5o sacrifices some of the desert land in the sinai peninsula to Palestine
the oil rich state need to help fund the recinstruction of Palestinian instead of embezzling the excess crude oil money

I totally accept this, but the boundary isn't necessarily the problem with the surrounding Arab countries. Looking forward, if Israel submit to these request, do you think it will amend the rift, particularly on the side of the different sect like Hamas.

shdemidemi:

I totally accept this, but the boundary isn't necessarily the problem with the surrounding Arab countries. Looking forward, if Israel submit to these request, do you think it will amend the rift, particularly on the side of the different sect like Hamas.

it will go in a long way to settle the matter, then Hamas will hav no reason for hostility

shdemidemi:

I totally accept this, but the boundary isn't necessarily the problem with the surrounding Arab countries. Looking forward, if Israel submit to these request, do you think it will amend the rift, particularly on the side of the different sect like Hamas.

from my own perspective it will help to put an end to the hostility.

The Palestinians are NOT interested in ANY form of peace with Israel, they just want to TOTALLY obliterate the Jews and kill all of them because Islam told them to hate the Jews( that's according to them. They have stated that many many times). . . .Their problem with the Jews is a religious one as stated by them. . .They do not want peace with the Jews, they have stated it many times, they ONLY want to destroy the Jews, something they can NEVER do, the Jews have atomic weapons so if they try it they all die. .They have told so many lies, reinvented history, attacked the Jews for NO reason at all, they ganged up on them and tried to obliterate them from the region. . There is nothing they haven't done but they have failed. . . .The Jews have every right to protect themselves against these savage murderers. . . .I don't care what the Jews do to them, as long as they keep targeting the Israeli civilian population, then their own civilians are also VERY fair targets. . .I don't care. . .If they want peace, then they know what to do, if they don't want peace then they should continue, they are the ones that are losing and will continue to lose, their women and children are very fair targets as long as they also keep targeting the Israeli civilian population. . .To hell with them. . .Kill them all IDF. . . .

mazaje: The Palestinians are NOT interested in ANY form of peace with Israel, they just want to TOTALLY obliterate the Jews and kill all of them because Islam told them to hate the Jews( that's according to them. They have stated that many many times). . . .Their problem with the Jews is a religious one as stated by them. . .They do not want peace with the Jews, they have stated it many times, they ONLY want to destroy the Jews, something they can NEVER do, the Jews have atomic weapons so if they try it they all die. .They have told so many lies, reinvented history, attacked the Jews for NO reason at all, they ganged up on them and tried to obliterate them from the region. . There is nothing they haven't done but they have failed. . . .The Jews have every right to protect themselves against these savage murderers. . . .I don't care what the Jews do to them, as long as they keep targeting the Israeli civilian population, then their own civilians are also VERY fair targets. . .I don't care. . .If they want peace, then they know what to do, if they don't want peace then they should continue, they are the ones that are losing and will continue to lose, their women and children are very fair targets as long as they also keep targeting the Israeli civilian population. . .To hell with them. . .Kill them all IDF. . . .

Not sure why this sudden anger.

I am not pro Hamas and have made this clear a few times. We also agree that Hamas's objective is not realistic and therefore their expectations also have to be curtailed.

What this article is about , is the Israeli slaughter of thousands of women and children while so called Christians and 'compassionate' atheists such as yourself cheer them on. Since when did these people cease to be human in your eyes. Perhaps you are not aware that the people of Gaza were already disgruntled with and fed up of Hamas until this recent war ? Do you not know that atheists and Christians also exist in the same populace ?

Oh well , it does not matter then Mazaje . let's kill them all, that's a typical atheist for you , lol.

frosbel:

Not sure why this sudden anger.

I am not pro Hamas and have made this clear a few times. We also agree that Hamas's objective is not realistic and therefore their expectations also have to be curtailed.

What this article is about , is the Israeli slaughter of thousands of women and children while so called Christians and 'compassionate' atheists such as yourself cheer them on. Since when did these people cease to be human in your eyes. Perhaps you are not aware that the people of Gaza were already disgruntled with and fed up of Hamas until this recent war ? Do you not know that atheists and Christians also exist in the same populace ?

Oh well , it does not matter then Mazaje . let's kill them all, that's a typical atheist for you , lol.

I have already made my points. . .The Jews actually have no interest in killing the Arabs, they Jews just want a country for themselves and tht's all. . .The Arabs are just hell bent on destroying them because as they claim Islam says they should destroy them. . . .There is NOTHING the Jews have not done to live in peace with this people. . .Since they are hell bent on carrying out the nonsense they claim islam teaches them and the foolish statements that are written inside the koran then they should go ahead. . .We should just accept reality as we see it, no need turning a blind eye to it. . .The Jews have already established a country there and dialogue and compromise is the ONLY way out, as long as they refuse to recognize Israel and continue to seek ways to obliterate them then they are the ones that will suffer. . .If they target Israeli civilians then their own civilians are VERY fair targets. If they had their ways they would have killed all the Jews long ago, they have actually tired it 3 times but failed. . Now hey can't try it any more because they Jews have atomic bombs and will use it on them if they try it. . .If they want to live in peace then they know what to do. . .If they believe Jihad because of some stupid religion is the way out, then they should continue, its their loss. . .Their civilians are very fair targets as long as they keep targeting the Jewish civilians. . .Do you know how many Israeli civilians would have been killed if not because of the iron dome and how well the Jews have protected their borders?. . .

mazaje:

I have already made my points. . .The Jews actually have no interest in killing the Arabs, they Jews just want a country for themselves and tht's all. . .The Arabs are just hell bent on destroying them because as they claim Islam says they should destroy them. . . .There is NOTHING the Jews have not done to live in peace with this people. . .Since they are hell bent on carrying out the nonsense they claim islam teaches them and the foolish statements that are written inside the koran then they should go ahead. . .We should just accept reality as we see it, no need turning a blind eye to it. . .The Jews have already established a country there and dialogue and compromise is the ONLY way out, as long as they refuse to recognize Israel and continue to seek ways to obliterate them then they are the ones that will suffer. . .If they target Israeli civilians then their own civilians are VERY fair targets. If they had their ways they would have killed all the Jews long ago, they have actually tired it 3 times but failed. . Now hey can't try it any more because they Jews have atomic bombs and will use it on them if they try it. . .If they want to live in peace then they know what to do. . .If they believe Jihad because of some stupid religion is the way out, then they should continue, its their loss. . .Their civilians are very fair targets as long as they keep targeting the Jewish civilians. . .Do you know how many Israeli civilians would have been killed if not because of the iron dome and how well the Jews have protected their borders?. . .

Will you shut up?

What has bombing a UN school that had no history of hamas terrorists got to do with Isrealis protecting themselves?

What about the racist treatment of Isreali Arabs or Jewish women who marry Arabs in Isreal?



Both sides have messed up....I cant side both but the fact remains that Isreal has blood on its hands. (so do hamas)

TheBigUrban2:


Will you shut up?

What has bombing a UN school that had no history of hamas terrorists got to do with Isrealis protecting themselves?

What about the racist treatment of Isreali Arabs or Jewish women who marry Arabs in Isreal?



Both sides have messed up....I cant side both but the fact remains that Isreal has blood on its hands. (so do hamas)

I don't care, if hamas had its way there will be no Jew living on the land today and that is the fact, if the Jews were not superior militarily they would have been suffering by now. . .The Arabs civilians remain very fair targets as long as hamas keeps targeting the Jewish civilians. . .

shdemidemi: ^^ in your mind you have said what righteousness mean, right?

Sorry I don't waste time with vain babblings. I deal with scripture, precept upon precept.
Isaiah 51:7 "Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings."

One day, I hope you will hear the law and do the words therein.

Shalom

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

The apostate seed is fighting with Esau. Heck, the apostate seed is probably a seed of his also. What is it to you, if the Most High has it in his plan to cause these to totally destroy one another. Let us rebuild our nation.

Shalom

mazaje:

I don't care, if hamas had its way there will be no Jew living on the land today and that is the fact, if the Jews were not superior militarily they would have been suffering by now. . .The Arabs civilians remain very fair targets as long as hamas keeps targeting the Jewish civilians. . .

Two wrongs do not make a right.


However, I do share some of your sentiment.....let's say that Palestine defeats the Jews....what happens next? Another sharia country where atheists are executed, women stoned and adulterers flogged.