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Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by tbaba1234: 1:21am On Aug 03, 2014
In Italy, Islam remains hidden. Despite being home to more than a million Muslims, Italy has put stringent limits on the number of government-approved mosques available to worshippers: in fact, there are just seven in the entire country, in Rome, Florence, Palermo, Turin, Ravenna, Milan and Genoa.

In lieu of mosques, Italy’s Muslims have been forced to transform warehouses, parking lots, stadiums and supermarkets into places of prayer. In Hidden Islam, a self-published monograph featuring pictures he made between 2009 to 2013, photographer Nicoló Degiorgis, 29, documents these improvised houses of worship.

“[Hidden Islam] draws a frightening picture of contemporary Italy — a country [with a limited] colonial background that finds it hard to absorb a quickly rising wave of immigration,” Degiorgis recently told LightBox. “The book is an attempt at showing a sense of Islamophobia spreading across many Western countries.


Finding the hidden mosques was one of the “exciting things that helped counterbalance the more frustrating moments,” noted the Italian photographer, who faced months of negotiations in order to gain access to some of the makeshift places of worship. “Certain communities accepted me over time, some didn’t. I followed them over the years, living with them and exploring their activities.”

The resulting, self-financed book has received support from British photographer and photobook collector Martin Parr, virtually guaranteeing its success in the art world.

“[Parr] was essential in making me understand the importance of doing this project,” says Degiorgis. “He helped me out throughout the years whenever I was stuck, pushing and advising me and meeting up once or twice a year to edit it.” And after receiving the Author Book Award 2014 from the Rencontres d’Arles photography festival, Degiorgis is grateful. “[This award] truly is of great help.”

http://lightbox.time.com/2014/07/30/hidden-islam-being-muslim-in-italy/#1
Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 8:54am On Aug 03, 2014
Christians are banned from worshipping in Saudi Arabia
Oppressed in Iraq
Brutalized in Egypt.


Atheists are executed or arrested in 6 islamic countries.


But no, finding places to pray in Italy as a muslim is a "Challenge". I wish the muslim well with his difficult life in Italy. It must be so challenging to be limited to 7 mosques and thousands of empty buildings in a country to pray, as compared to those in islamic countries who are arrested for just expressing their beliefs.


Good thread



undecided

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by usermane(m): 12:00pm On Aug 03, 2014
TheBigUrban2:
Christians are banned from worshipping in Saudi Arabia, Oppressed in Iraq. Brutalized in Egypt.

Atheists are executed or arrested in 6 islamic countries.

But no, finding places to pray in Italy as a muslim is a "Challenge". I wish the muslim well with his difficult life in Italy. It must be so challenging to be limited to 7 mosques and thousands of empty buildings in a country to pray, as compared to those in islamic countries who are arrested for just expressing their beliefs.

^^^^
Good, this exemplifies objectivity as enjoined by G-d. You 'll assume any educated Muslim like tbaba1234 can see this but could you expect any better from double thinkers?

QURAN 4:135

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for God, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives.
Whether one is rich or poor, God is more worthy of both. So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed God is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 3:12pm On Aug 03, 2014
usermane:
^^^^
Good, this exemplifies objectivity as enjoined by G-d. You 'll assume any educated Muslim like tbaba1234 can see this but could you expect any better from double thinkers?

QURAN 4:135

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for God, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives.
Whether one is rich or poor, God is more worthy of both. So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed God is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.




Well said......one should be persistent in justice.....dont just only see your side of the problem...see others

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Nobody: 12:31am On Aug 05, 2014
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TheBigUrban2: Christians are banned from worshipping in Saudi Arabia
Oppressed in Iraq
Brutalized in Egypt.


Atheists are executed or arrested in 6 islamic countries.


But no, finding places to pray in Italy as a muslim is a "Challenge". I wish the muslim well with his difficult life in Italy. It must be so challenging to be limited to 7 mosques and thousands of empty buildings in a country to pray, as compared to those in islamic countries who are arrested for just expressing their beliefs.


Good thread



undecided
Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 8:45pm On Aug 05, 2014
[size=14pt]Destroy all churches in the Arabian Peninsula – Saudi Grand Mufti[/size]

The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia has said that all churches in the Arabian Peninsula must be destroyed. The statement prompted anger and dismay from Christians throughout the Middle East.

Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah made the controversial statement in a response to a question from a Kuwaiti NGO delegation. A Kuwaiti parliamentarian had called for a ban on the construction of new churches in February, but so far the initiative has not been passed into law. The NGO, called the Society of the Revival of Islamic Heritage, asked the Sheikh to clarify what Islamic law says on the matter.

The Grand Mufti, who is the highest official of religious law in Saudi Arabia, as well as the head of the Supreme Council of Islamic Scholars, cited the Prophet Mohammed, who said the Arabian Peninsula is to exist under only one religion.

The Sheikh went on to conclude that it was therefore necessary for Kuwait, being a part of the Arabian Peninsula, to destroy all churches on its territory
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http://rt.com/news/peninsula-saudi-grand-mufti-701/

What is tbaba saying? . . .Why do muslims keep crying when given just a very little taste of their own medicine. . .Muslims are VERY intolerant of others but they want others to tolerate them. . .I say all mosques in Europe should also be destroyed as well unless muslims allow others to practice their religions freely in their lands. . .

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 8:51pm On Aug 05, 2014
More from muslims. . .

[size=14pt]Convert, pay tax, or die, Islamic State warns Christians[/size]

Reuters) - Islamist insurgents have issued an ultimatum to northern Iraq's dwindling Christian population to either convert to Islam, pay a religious levy or face death, according to a statement distributed in the militant-controlled city of Mosul.

The statement issued by the Islamic State, the al Qaeda offshoot which led last month's lightning assault to capture swathes of north Iraq, and seen by Reuters, said the ruling would come into effect on Saturday.

It said Christians who wanted to remain in the "caliphate" that the Islamic State declared this month in parts of Iraq and Syria must agree to abide by terms of a "dhimma" contract - a historic practice under which non-Muslims were protected in Muslim lands in return for a special levy known as "jizya".

"We offer them three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract - involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword," the announcement said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/18/uk-iraq-security-christians-idUKKBN0FN29N20140718

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Empiree: 5:42pm On Aug 06, 2014
@tbaba, you see, shaitan is powerful but has neither wisdom nor salvation. I guess you can spot that below your Op, isn't?

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 5:49pm On Aug 06, 2014
^^^
undecided

I didnt know muslims spoke in tongues.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 10:23am On Aug 07, 2014
TheBigUrban2: ^^^
undecided

I didnt know muslims spoke in tongues.

He pretended not to see one of the highest scholars of islam calling for the destruction of all churches in the arabian peninsula, and how his muslim brothers are giving people ultimatum to convert to their religion pay fine or die, but went on a tirade about shaitan and other ridiculous brouhaha. . .Muslims are very intolerant of others but they want others to tolerate them. . .Funny people. . .

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Empiree: 10:54am On Aug 07, 2014
mazaje:

[s]He pretended not to see one of the highest scholars of islam calling for the destruction of all churches in the arabian peninsula, and how his muslim brothers are giving people ultimatum to convert to their religion pay fine or die, but went on a tirade about shaitan and other ridiculous brouhaha. .[/s] .Muslims are very intolerant of others but they want others to tolerate them. . .Funny people. . .

But your Christians brothers, Atheists and other non believers in Europe could not tolerate the Jews. <----They bombed them, gassed them and drove them out. Imposed them on Arabs and Muslims to deal with it. Yet prior to advent of Zionists, Muslims and Arabs lived peacefully alongside Jews and Christians in the Middle East and Holy Land under Muslim rule. But reverse is the case with judeo-christians alliance rule on islam 3rd holiest site. Evidence are here. Makkah and Medina are peaceful (still under muslim rule) compare to Jerusalem under Judeo-christians secular atheist terrorists alliance rule. They cant tolerate Muslims. Bomb's going off there. Bombing defenseless people on bogus assertions.

Yes, we are funny people. Show me anywhere in the world where Muslim govt/country invading non muslim countries and bombing them. Reverse is the case.

You cant tolerate Muslims. Obvious example is recent Gaza massacre. And listen to your brother below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6LdB24-wU

A simple introductory approach to Israel-Palestinian crisis. Middle East was peaceful under Muslim rule before Judeo-christians secular violent atheists terrorists alliance came.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZIzRB1T8ug

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 11:34am On Aug 07, 2014
Empiree:

But your Christians brothers, Atheists and other non believers in Europe could not tolerate the Jews. Bombed them, gassed them and drove them out. Imposed them on Arabs and Muslims to deal with it. Yet prior to advent of Zionists, Muslims and Arabs live peacefully alongside Jews and Christians in the Middle East and Holy Land under Muslim rule. But reverse is the case with judeo-christians alliance rule on islam 3rd holiest site. Evidence are here. Makkah and Medina are peaceful (still under muslim rule) compare to Jerusalem under Judeo-christians secular atheist terrorists alliance rule. They cant tolerate Muslims. Bomb's going off there. Bombing defenseless people on bogus assertions.

Why bring the Jews into this?. . .By the way Muslims never treated the unbelievers in their midst equally, they never had the same rights as muslsims, they were taxed heavily(Jizya) and were second class citizens. Saudi Arabia remains one of the most intolerant country in the world today. Non muslims are not even allowed into Mecca, non muslims can not practice their religions freely so i wonder why you are calling Saudi Arabia, a country where its highest cleric has stated that all churches should be destroyed. The question is why do muslims want others to tolerate them when they are very intolerant of others?. . .

Yes, we are funny people. Show me anywhere in the world where Muslim govt/country invading non muslim countries and bombing them. Reverse is the case.

You cant tolerate Muslims. Obvious example is recent Gaza massacre. And listen to your brother below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6LdB24-wU

The only reason why muslims countries are not invading non muslim land is because all majority muslims countries are weak. . Militarily they are powerless, they don't and can't produce anything. . .They have no good technology of their own and can not produce any good weapon of their own that is why they are yet to invade non muslims countries, remember they all ganged up on the tiny Israel unprovoked in 1948, 1967 and 1973 in bid to obliterate them and drive them into the sea but they were all embarrassed by the small Jewish nation because they jews had the weapons while they had nothing. . .If the muslim countries were as powerful as the non muslim countries they would have used their arms to fight jihad and conquer lands in the name of Islam, luckily all of them can not produce anything and are far behind technologically. . .They can only sit in their mosques and be brandishing swords while screaming and telling themselves how islam will conquer the world but in reality they can't conquer anything or any body because they have nothing and are weak militarily. . .Muslims will be telling themselves that they will establish the caliphate and put and end to democracy, sharia will become the law all over the world, they will destroy America, France, England, Russia etc. . .They have nothing, can't produce anything and are just deceiving themselves by lying to themselves. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQO_rZDpgjA

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Empiree: 11:40am On Aug 07, 2014
mazaje:
[s]
Why bring the Jews into this?. . .By the way Muslims never treated the unbelievers in their midst equally, they never had the same rights as muslsims, they were taxed heavily(Jizya) and were second class citizens. Saudi Arabia remains one of the most intolerant country in the world today. Non muslims are not even allowed into Mecca, non muslims can not practice their religions freely so i wonder why you are calling Saudi Arabia, a country where its highest cleric has stated that all churches should be destroyed. The question is why do muslims want others to tolerate them when they are very intolerant of others?. . .
The only reason why muslims countries are not invading non muslim land is because all majority muslims countries are weak. . Militarily they are powerless, they don't and can't produce anything. . .They have no good technology of their own and can not produce any good weapon of their own that is why they are yet to invade non muslims countries, remember they all ganged up on the tiny Israel unprovoked in 1948, 1967 and 1973 in bid to obliterate them and drive them into the sea but they were all embarrassed by the small Jewish nation because they jews had the weapons while they had nothing. . .If the muslim countries were as powerful as the non muslim countries they would have used their arms to fight jihad and conquer lands in the name of Islam, luckily all of them can not produce anything and are far behind technologically. . .They can only sit in their mosques and be brandishing swords while screaming and telling themselves how islam will conquer the world but in reality they can't conquer anything or any body because they have nothing and are weak militarily. . .Muslims will be telling themselves that they will establish the caliphate and put and end to democracy, sharia will become the law all over the world, they will destroy America, France, England, Russia etc. . .They have nothing, can't produce anything and are just deceiving themselves by lying to themselves. . .[/s]

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 11:53am On Aug 07, 2014
^^

Muslims keep claiming they will dominate the world, put every body under their feet and make sharia the law of the land when they can't produce anything, the only thing they can produce are IEDs. . .You can't use IEDs to dominate anybody, you can only use fighter jets, submarines, helicopters, drones, good precision guided rockets, artillery guns, air to surface missiles and missile defense shields. . .You can also use diseases like ebola, SARS, anthrax etc to dominate and control others. . .muslims don't know how to create anything. They can't create good weapons and can't control biological diseases, they know nothing, have nothing and can control nothing, but they keep screaming and brandishing swords in mosques while deceiving themselves that they will dominate the world and keep everybody under their feet. . .The only thing they know how to produce are IEDs. . .Which they mostly use to kill themselves with not even their enemies.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Empiree: 12:11pm On Aug 07, 2014
mazaje: ^^

Muslims keep claiming they will dominate the world, put every body under their feet and make sharia the law of the land when they can't produce anything, the only thing they can produce are IEDs. . .You can't use IEDs to dominate anybody, you can only use fighter jets, submarines, helicopters, drones, good precision guided rockets, artillery guns, air to surface missiles and missile defense shields. . .You can also use diseases like ebola, SARS, anthrax etc to dominate and control others. . .muslims don't know how to create anything. They can't create good weapons and can't control biological diseases, they know nothing, have nothing and can control nothing, but they keep screaming and brandishing swords in mosques while deceiving themseles that they will dominate the world and keep everybody under their feet. . .The only thing they know how to produce are IEDs. . .Which they mostly use to kill themselves with no even their enemies.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by vedaxcool(m): 2:39pm On Aug 07, 2014
Empiree: @tbaba, you see, shaitan is powerful but has neither wisdom nor salvation. I guess you can spot that below your Op, isn't?

grin grin grin grin all I see in this thread are people in pains playing the role of mr panda in the video



I call it AEPS -Acute e-Pain Syndrome grin grin grin
all they have done so far is derailing the thread, one of shitan's toy on this thread would immediately report whenever you make a comment that seems off topic, but here we have them posting all off topic comments. In any case you should ignore that male that can hardly make a single complete sentence but thinks he has the intellect to criticize Islam.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 3:02pm On Aug 07, 2014
vedaxcool:

grin grin grin grin all I see in this thread are people in pains playing the role of mr panda in the video



I call it AEPS -Acute e-Pain Syndrome grin grin grin
all they have done so far is derailing the thread, one of the shitan's toy on this thread would immediately report whenever you make a comment that seems off topic, but here we have them posting all off topic comments. In any case you should ignore that male that can hardly make a single complete sentence but thinks he has the intellect to criticize Islam.


Vexdacool be like. . .

[img]http://shariaunveiled.files./2013/07/behead-those-who-insult-islam-1.png[/img]

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 3:14pm On Aug 07, 2014
mazaje:

He pretended not to see one of the highest scholars of islam calling for the destruction of all churches in the arabian peninsula, and how his muslim brothers are giving people ultimatum to convert to their religion pay fine or die, but went on a tirade about shaitan and other ridiculous brouhaha. . .Muslims are very intolerant of others but they want others to tolerate them. . .Funny people. . .



Ask empiree and vedaxcool about intolerance to christians/atheists in Sauid, Iraq, Iran etc. They will twist and call you an islamophobe.



Liars for Allah

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 3:23pm On Aug 07, 2014
TheBigUrban2:



Ask empiree and vedaxcool about intolerance to christians/atheists in Sauid, Iraq, Iran etc. They will twist and call you an islamophobe.



Liars for Allah

They will turn it to how the Jews are killing babies in Palestine. . . .Muslims will leave their war torn countries, go to the west and be preaching in mosques and telling people how islam will dominate the world, how they will destroy their host countries and make sharia the law of the land. . .But no christian, jew, hindu or atheist for example can dare preach such in their own lands. . .Funny people. . .You can not try carrying a placard that says christianity will rule over the world in Yemen, Iraq or Bahrain without being attacked. . .

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 3:28pm On Aug 07, 2014
mazaje:

They will turn it to how the Jews are killing babies in Palestine. . . .Muslims will leave their war torn countries, go to the west and be preaching in mosques and telling people how islam will dominate the world, how they will destroy their host countries and make sharia the law of the land. . .But no christian, jew, hindu or atheist for example can dare preach such in their own lands. . .Funny people. . .You can not try carrying a placard that says christianity will rule over the world in Yemen, Iraq or Bahrain without being attacked. . .




Atheists face death penalty in 13 islamic countries. 13 countries!!!

And yet, they call us islamophobes.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 3:32pm On Aug 07, 2014
TheBigUrban2:



Atheists face death penalty in 13 islamic countries. 13 countries!!!

And yet, they call us islamophobes.



Imagine. . . These guys are very funny. . .

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 3:33pm On Aug 07, 2014
mazaje:

Imagine. . . These guys are very funny. . .


Here is the link before they try to deny it

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 3:44pm On Aug 07, 2014
TheBigUrban2:


Here is the link before they try to deny it

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

I saw a very funny video on facebook of a muslim cleric in France brandishing a sword and screaming on top of his voice that islam will dominate europe and how democracy will bow down to sharia, in France ooo. . .Not some obscured European country, if you talk and call them out they will call you an Islamophobe. . .Can any christian preach such in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran or Bahrain. Can any christian talk about how Christianity will dominate any of the countries i mentioned and how Islam will be defeated?. . .The answer is no. Why then are muslims crying when given just a little taste of their own medicine?. . .One thing I notice with religious people is that they just love feeling persecuted, it gives them a sense of belonging and kind of makes them feel happy. . .You go about persecuting others but when others persecute you, you start crying. . . .

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by true2god: 6:06am On Aug 09, 2014
mazaje:

Why bring the Jews into this?. . .By the way Muslims never treated the unbelievers in their midst equally, they never had the same rights as muslsims, they were taxed heavily(Jizya) and were second class citizens. Saudi Arabia remains one of the most intolerant country in the world today. Non muslims are not even allowed into Mecca, non muslims can not practice their religions freely so i wonder why you are calling Saudi Arabia, a country where its highest cleric has stated that all churches should be destroyed. The question is why do muslims want others to tolerate them when they are very intolerant of others?. . .



The only reason why muslims countries are not invading non muslim land is because all majority muslims countries are weak. . Militarily they are powerless, they don't and can't produce anything. . .They have no good technology of their own and can not produce any good weapon of their own that is why they are yet to invade non muslims countries, remember they all ganged up on the tiny Israel unprovoked in 1948, 1967 and 1973 in bid to obliterate them and drive them into the sea but they were all embarrassed by the small Jewish nation because they jews had the weapons while they had nothing. . .If the muslim countries were as powerful as the non muslim countries they would have used their arms to fight jihad and conquer lands in the name of Islam, luckily all of them can not produce anything and are far behind technologically. . .They can only sit in their mosques and be brandishing swords while screaming and telling themselves how islam will conquer the world but in reality they can't conquer anything or any body because they have nothing and are weak militarily. . .Muslims will be telling themselves that they will establish the caliphate and put and end to democracy, sharia will become the law all over the world, they will destroy America, France, England, Russia etc. . .They have nothing, can't produce anything and are just deceiving themselves by lying to themselves. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQO_rZDpgjA



Dont you know that arab-muslims (the real muslims) are generally seen as psychos in the west? They are the only pple on earth who will march to the street of their host countries shouting 'death to america', 'behead all the infidels', 'kill all the Jews', 'Islam will rule the world', 'allah will destroy democracy', 'kill anyone that insult the holy prophet', 'we want sharia', etc. Ironically if the british police want to deport them (as a result of their constituting public nuisnance) back to pakistan, Yemen, sudan, saudi arabia (where sharia is practiced) they will be begging and crying.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Empiree: 4:51pm On Aug 09, 2014
Dont be ridiculous pls. You see, i hate this kind of argument back n fourth. It serves no purpose. (Islam, Muslim, Quran) does not mean alien. People u stated above, even though i disagree with the way they do things sometimes doesnt mean they are aliens. Most of them are citizens of England. Pls wise up. Is like some White guys who are muslim converts in NY, their styles resemble the UK guys. Gvt see them as radicals but they cant do anything about it cus they commit no crime. They can only watch them. So being muslim does not mean illegal immigrant, residents or conditional visiting alien. So pls just stop this irrelivant stuff.

Some were born in the west but their parents brought them back to their home country shortly after birth to grow around their culture then return to the west later which resembles mine. So they live both worlds. This is also a case of Mr. Abdul Rahman Green who was born in Tanzania but his parents are English (Irish I think).You guys just derailed this thread for nothing. Pls stop this now.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 4:56pm On Aug 09, 2014
Empiree: Dont be ridiculous pls. You see, i hate this kind of argument back n fourth. It serves no purpose. (Islam, Muslim, Quran) does not mean alien. People u stated above, even though i disagree with the way they do things sometimes doesnt mean they are aliens. Most of them are citizens of England. Pls wise up. Is like some White guys who are muslim converts in NY, their styles resemble the UK guys. Gvt see them as radicals but they cant do anything about it cus they commit no crime. They can only watch them. So being muslim does not mean illegal immigrant, residents or conditional visiting alien. So pls just stop this irrelivant stuff.

Some were born in the west but their parents brought them back to their home country shortly after birth to grow around their culture then return to the west later which resembles mine. So they live both worlds. This is also a case of Mr. Abdul Rahman Green who was born in Tanzania but his parents are English (Irish I think).You guys just derailed this thread for nothing. Pls stop this now.


grin grin grin

No one is claiming that they are aliens or immigrants......surely not me.

The fact remains that non-muslims suffer much worse discrimination from muslims in islamic countries than muslims do in Europe/America.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Empiree: 5:07pm On Aug 09, 2014
TheBigUrban2:


grin grin grin

No one is claiming that they are aliens or immigrants......surely not me.

The fact remains that non-muslims suffer much worse discrimination from muslims in islamic countries than muslims do in Europe/America.



Your prerogative. Honestly dont know your definition of discrimination. Was not referring to you actually. I was responding to true2god. Whatever, onus on oppressors. Enough now.
Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 6:01pm On Aug 09, 2014
true2god: Dont you know that arab-muslims (the real muslims) are generally seen as psychos in the west? They are the only pple on earth who will march to the street of their host countries shouting 'death to america', 'behead all the infidels', 'kill all the Jews', 'Islam will rule the world', 'allah will destroy democracy', 'kill anyone that insult the holy prophet', 'we want sharia', etc. Ironically if the british police want to deport them (as a result of their constituting public nuisnance) back to pakistan, Yemen, sudan, saudi arabia (where sharia is practiced) they will be begging and crying.

I just tire for this deluded people. . .You come to the west preaching hate but when they want to deport you to your country where they practice what you are advocating you begin to cry and beg. . .Funny people. . .
Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by TheBigUrban2: 7:11pm On Aug 09, 2014
Empiree:

Your prerogative. Honestly dont know your definition of discrimination. Was not referring to you actually. I was responding to true2god. Whatever, onus on oppressors. Enough now.


Killing people for expressing their belief/disbelief is extreme discrimination.

Can you give me an example where in the EU or America where a muslim is killed for being muslim?

Now think of Saudi and Iran
Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by mazaje(m): 8:29pm On Aug 09, 2014
TheBigUrban2:


Killing people for expressing their belief/disbelief is extreme discrimination.

Can you give me an example where in the EU or America where a muslim is killed for being muslim?

Now think of Saudi and Iran
Iraq, Sudan, etc. . .
Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by true2god: 11:31pm On Aug 09, 2014
Empiree: Dont be ridiculous pls. You see, i hate this kind of argument back n fourth. It serves no purpose. (Islam, Muslim, Quran) does not mean alien. People u stated above, even though i disagree with the way they do things sometimes doesnt mean they are aliens. Most of them are citizens of England. Pls wise up. Is like some White guys who are muslim converts in NY, their styles resemble the UK guys. Gvt see them as radicals but they cant do anything about it cus they commit no crime. They can only watch them. So being muslim does not mean illegal immigrant, residents or conditional visiting alien. So pls just stop this irrelivant stuff.

Some were born in the west but their parents brought them back to their home country shortly after birth to grow around their culture then return to the west later which resembles mine. So they live both worlds. This is also a case of Mr. Abdul Rahman Green who was born in Tanzania but his parents are English (Irish I think).You guys just derailed this thread for nothing. Pls stop this now.
Mr Man cool down, I know you are an expert in immigration law. 95% of muslims constituting nuisance, with their hate sermons in their mosque, in the UK are of middle eastern origin and most of dem have dual nationality, some are also pakistanis and very insignificant white converts (of which some of them are M15s or state secret agents).

Many of these hate preachers have been thrown into jail while some of them are deported (after they might have fought long legal battle againt their deportation).

And I can tell you with 100% assuarnce that if a christian does similar thing, as those islamist are doing in the UK, in places like sudan, pakistan, saudi arabia, egypt etc, he will be hanged.

Dont pretend you dont knw hw wicked muslims countries can be, especially when it got to do with Islam.

ISIS had just expelled christians from their homes in Iraq for refusing to convert to Islam.

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Re: Hidden Islam: Nicolo Degiorgis Charts The Challenges Of Being Muslim In Italy by Empiree: 2:25am On Aug 10, 2014
True2god,

Please, we do not gain anything from this discussion. Thanks

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