phantom:

nuzo.... you have always been a mature poster but saying most doctors are incompetent is a bare face lie!
on the contrary,the little 'function' in the health sector today is BECAUSE of the doctors believe it or not.
nuzo,I don't think you and many Nigerians here know how bad things have really gone in the health sector.
if you knew, YOU WOULD WEEP.
zero equipment and training.
doctors try any which way to diagnose illnesses solely on our clinical skills.
thank god,by virtue of our training,we have a pretty good idea of a diagnosis just using our clinical skills.
these days medicine has advanced. machines are needed to help us give far more to our patients but your government has refused to equip the hospitals.
for how long are we going to continue like this?

but the more painful thing is that our people are illiterate and on top of that poor.
they can't fight for themselves. this strike whether you want to believe it or not is for them and not us.
out of the 24 demands, the money based demands are not more than 5.

[6/26, 8:49 AM] Daddy: I came to visit a patient at a Teaching/Specialist hospital. It's the worst I've ever seen of a hospital
[6/26, 8:49 AM] Daddy: When coming to the hospital you must bring every and anything you will need with you
[6/26, 8:52 AM] Daddy: Including bedspread, water, cups, bucket, toilet tissue. There is no power so you must contend with the mosquitoes
[6/26, 8:52 AM] Me: My god
[6/26, 8:59 AM] Daddy: And this is a private hospital room where you pay very highly
[6/26, 8:59 AM] Daddy: I mean no electric power at all
[6/26, 8:59 AM] Daddy: You buy gloves, soap etc
[6/26, 9:01 AM] Me: That's too terrible for words
[6/26, 9:03 AM] Daddy: I'm happy I've come to see for myself. I'll never get admitted to a hospital here. It's a death warrant
[6/26, 9:04 AM] Me: No wonder anyone who has a choice travels for the smallest thing
[6/26, 9:04 AM] Daddy: Place stinks of raw and open sewage
[6/26, 9:05 AM] Me: My god.
[6/26, 9:13 AM] Daddy: You can bring your portable generator with power cord all over the floor
[6/26, 9:13 AM] Me: Jesus
[6/26, 9:16 AM] Daddy: You leave the place dead or more sick than you came in
[6/26, 9:16 AM] Me: Do I know the person you went to visit?
[6/26, 9:19 AM] Daddy: Ambassador ******. He slept in our house. The one who had the Toyota four runner
[6/26, 9:20 AM] Me: He's in the hospital? Why?
[6/26, 9:21 AM] Daddy: He's always talking of you
[6/26, 9:21 AM] Daddy: He has diabetes
[6/26, 9:24 AM] Daddy: His blood sugar shot up 3 times
[6/26, 9:25 AM] Me: Oh God. That's terrible
[6/26, 10:42 AM] Daddy: You also have to fight with rats inside room
[6/26, 11:05 AM] Me: Oh my god
[6/26, 11:05 AM] Me: Why would anyone pay for that?

barcanista: Good one from FG. The Strike has taken too long. NMA is not a Labor Union, by Law it is illegal for it to strike.

Military Docs will now take over Hospitals. Fresh employment to all. Fashola did it... It worked!!! It will work for Jonathan.



Nigeria Must move forward!!!

sogodihno:
Ok, wat apen wen dia demands means reversing d agreement FG reach wth others. wat we av here is FG acceding d demand of group A and ignoring group B,and vice versa.

emog17: u're a big fo.ol and an idio.t. so u're happy wt the state of the health sector in Nigeria? Instead of u to blame the fed govt u're hear insulting doctors. Do u knw wat it takes to be a doctor? Jealousy

MissMeiya:
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warrior01:
Trust me. Our able agbo sellers are better than most "Nigerian doctors". Have you been to any Nigerian teaching hospital before? God have mercy on those things you call doctors

barcanista: Your fad@ is a very big fool

phantom:

barcanista you are more mature than this. be guided!

MissMeiya:

My father has a friend with severe diabetes. He went to visit him at a teaching hospital, and was HORRIFIED. Oh God. He was chatting with me while he was there, he called me after he left, and he was still talking about it when he came home.

- open sewage
- RATS
- patients have to bring their own: drinking water, bedsheets, water to bathe, even toilet paper
- NO POWER



This is a federal university teaching hospital. I went to that hospital myself once, to see my cousin, who had just given birth. Pitch black. Had to use my torchlight to walk about the campus. It's a hospital for crying out loud. If anything needs light, it's a damn hospital.

I do not blame the doctors. Are they miracle workers?

armadeo:

While its a serious case I can't but laugh at how horrified your dad would have been.


Bring your gen, power cords on the floor.
Fighting rats in the room
Leaving sicker than you came or worse dead
Sewage smell.

Lol.

VantagePoint:
Fashola reabsorbed all the doctors.
And how many military doctors are there in Nigeria?

datribune: Good move Mr president, I'm not a fan but on dis I'm wit u because u made d right call. 9ja has made so many lopsided concessions to dis Oliver Twist doctors. Enough!. Let dem join d queue of d nigerian unemployed & d ingrates might just appreciate how much dis poor country bends over in order to pamper them.

datribune: Good move Mr president, I'm not a fan but on dis I'm wit u because u made d right call. 9ja has made so many lopsided concessions to dis Oliver Twist doctors. Enough!. Let dem join d queue of d nigerian unemployed & d ingrates might just appreciate how much dis poor country bends over in order to pamper them.

lrguru: do you expect the govt to give u toilet roll or chase the rats away? Don't they have workers or cleaners in the hospital? I am sure they give the hospitals some money, but its been embezzled by some people. If this doctors had gone on strike courtesy of this ill state of hospitals and it been poorly equipped too, I would have wished them well or backed them, but the went on strike mostly for their selfish reasons. So whatever is been dished to them should be consumed accordingly.

warrior01:
Trust me. Our able agbo sellers are better than most "Nigerian doctors". Have you been to any Nigerian teaching hospital before? God have mercy on those things you call doctors

phantom:

these are the Nigerians we expect to understand the issues in the health sector? whosai

Reagan was president in 1968. dumb Nigerians.
how can they fight their leaders with their negative sub zero IQs?

so dumb that these i.diots will vote in that invalid AGAIN in 2015. zombies!

lrguru: do you expect the govt to give u toilet roll or chase the rats away? Don't they have workers or cleaners in the hospital? I am sure they give the hospitals some money, but its been embezzled by some people. If this doctors had gone on strike courtesy of this ill state of hospitals and it been poorly equipped too, I would have wished them well or backed them, but the went on strike mostly for their selfish reasons. So whatever is been dished to them should be consumed accordingly.

likita27: hey, I was referring to the above poster,Reagan was US president btwo 1981 and 1989 and succeeded the first Geoge Bush, his former vp,seems English is too hard for you to comprehend

likita27: hey, I was referring to the above poster,Reagan was US president btwo 1981 and 1989 and succeeded the first Geoge Bush, his former vp,seems English is too hard for you to comprehend

chidekings:


and all u that understand the topic doing is talking nigeria down while i bet ur still at ur fathers house in the village

MissMeiya:

What kind of reasoning is this?

Why do I always end up explaining the obvious on NL?

The damn toilet paper is the least of the problems. Let me put it this way:

If the facility cannot afford to buy ordinary toilet paper for the patients, can it afford diagnostic equipment? Standard protective gear for staff? The cleaning staff you assume exist, can it afford that? Laboratory equipment. Training and workshops on current technology.

The best trained, unstressed, and well-paid doctors would not be able to provide satisfactory healthcare without those things, and without the residency programs, Nigerian doctors are now none of those things. It is DAMN frustrating to not be able to do what you spent your entire life training for.

aztruth: Most Drs on this forum are now talking about the effect of the resident lay off on patients, where were all these thoughts about the patients when they went on strike for ego reasons?

If they are so concerned about patients, why did they not call off their strike when the nation was facing a national treat from ebola?

You See, FG has taken the only option available to reason by Sacking all residents though i hope it shd be only for the time being. if ASUU had told FG that they want only their members to occupy the Posts of VC, DVCs, Registrar, Bursar etc plus that no other person should be promoted beyond level 14, they would still have been on strike . And I tell you, FG would have privatized all the universities because it would have been the only feasible option.

For those who think that FG may be bluffing, REMEMBER SANUSI LAMIDO SANUSI. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE!!!!

The real reason the Drs have continued on strike is because they want great things for themselves and beyond that, they want every other person in the health sector under their feet.

FG met their demands almost completely. What else should the FG had done?

Truth is that the welfare of patients and improvement of Health facilities are not on the Doctors mind any time! They have been going on strikes for how long now in the name of poor health facilities and each time they succeed in getting better pay or condition of service for themselves but not improved facilities. NIGERIANS ARE NOT FOOLS!!!


A word of advice for the Doctors that are talking of bailing out to practice in UK. PLS MAKE SURE YOU INSTITUTE STRIKE ACTION IN THE UK WHEN;
> You get there and find out that a other health workers are also consultants
>you discover that the head of the hospital is not a Doctor
>you discover that residents are considered as students and paid as such. Unlike in Nigeria where a resident doctor earns about the same with the highest earning nurse at the peak of his redidency. Consider yourself lucky if you earn at the peak of your residency what a starting nurse earns overseas.

Why do you want to destroy NIGERIA?

FG has taken so much crap from you guys (Drs). You only have to look at their reasons for going on strike to see that only a few of them may be reasonable. if majority were, they would not go on strike for some of those flimsy reasons


I wish all resident Drs best of luck in sorting out this issue with FG. it is also a time for Drs to reflect on the practice of their professions

lrguru: u don't have to explain miss and before u start insultin me, which I'm sure was what u wanted to do, I'd say that y can't the big man buy those things for himself and why complain about it. If the roof is leakin, its govt, if the room is dirty, its govt, if the gen didn't work or they have embezzled all the money, people will still say its govt. U and I know that the FG is not doin well, but instead of complainin about this, why not attack the hospital management. Don't they have people in charge of sanitary or sanitation? If u as a Dr. Ur office is dirty, can't u clean it up? Will the FG come and do it for u? And like I said if the doctors had gone on strike strictly cos of the poor standards of hospitals then it is justified not cos of some selfish reasons. Ebola is out there and they are scared to attend to patient, cos they don't want to die. Who does not face hazzard in his/her place of work, abi na only Dr's de work for naija? How much do de pay drivers of public vehicles as hazzard allowance?. So since the dr's have been on strike what has changed, did the whole Nigeria die? Who wan live go live. Dr's are not GOD.

armadeo:


As I said before it is people like you who made salt scarce last week.
You are comparing a chemist to a dr. I don't blame you at all.



It becomes a crime when a man doesn't know he is ignorant yet believes he has knowledge.



Go and meet your chemist let him mix tablets for you. Don't forget to pick up salt on your way home.

MissMeiya:

It's a FEDERAL HOSPITAL. Who is supposed to finance it?

bushdoc9919:

While embezzlement does happen.....the hospitals themselves don't have enough money.

As an example....OAU gets less than 25 million US Dollars per annum as funding.

Massachusetts General Hospital in the US spent 750million dollars for research.

Also, in the US...most city authorities know that the more business they atrract to their city the more money they make...so water supply,power supply, refuse supply etc works(Which means a hopsital in say London UK won't be spending money on generating power) In Nigeria.... you get oil money regardless of what you do or not so...so why attract business to your city.(and by extension why make everything work? Plus,most people ,including govt agencies don't pay their utility bills...so utilities in your average Nigerian city are in a mess.Meaning a hospital has to spend a large chunk of its allocation just to make sure they generate power for vital things to work)

emeeco:

I have not yet taken a side. But, I would appreciate an argument that compares Nigeria with countries of same economic status.

deeobserver209: I used to support these doctors but when I got to learn how political their strike dived into and their superiority complex, I withdrew my support for them.
The main bone of contention is the demand for the establishment of the office of the 'Surgeon General of the Federation' which they argue should be established to take care of Health care matters in the country, just like the situation in the United States.
But things got crappy when they insist that only Doctors be appointed as a Surgeon General. Arguing that doctors are more qualified for the position considering the amount of time they spend on their course of study. This didn't go down well with the nurses who feel that such plan would only subjugate nurses to the background. The nurses were of the oppion that the office of the Surgeon General should be left wide open for whoever will be qualified to occupy, be it Nurse or a Doctor. They cite an example with the United States were the current Surgeon General is a Nurse.