reindeer:

kid, run along. Your little mind obviously can't imagine what i am talking about.

your comprehension skills are as bad as your reasoning ability. Talking down Nigeria by encouraging people to take their skills to where they are appreciated?
Go and listen to Whiz kid and don't try understanding the way the NHS works.

this gonna be my last response to u,but before i go just wanna let u know You don't curse people. Its ungentlemanly
behaviour.
Every human being has the fundamental right to
express his opinion. God created this world that it
can contain each and everyone of us even without
bodily contacts

chidekings:

this gonna be my last response to u,but before i go just wanna let u know You don't curse people. Its ungentlemanly
behaviour.
Every human being has the fundamental right to
express his opinion. God created this world that it
can contain each and everyone of us even without
bodily contacts

Sorry if i came across as abrasive in my last post. Just got irked with you talking about things you knew nothing about, talking about village and all. I know what i do in the UK and to just disparage my work in the only thing i do was quite prickly.
Sorry once again and this is certainly the end of it.

THUNDER4real: GEJ is on point, the society is not a grave yard where nothing happens except quietness. At least with this move he has set fire on this case group (doctors), let's see how these doctors react.
But come to think of it, These doctors are so heartless, how can you be on strike for more than one month........They want to kill many Nigerians and then conduct mass burial for them. Most Doctors in Nigeria are not suppose to study medicine, they are so after superiorty complex and always finding way to milk the poor people.

I'm afraid you're wrong. I hate to say this, but this is a great blunder from GEJ. Why fire the very group that keeps the Federal Hospitals running? Who's going to train the next generation of specialist doctors? Where are the poor and a huge chunk of the middle class going to run to? As we speak, a huge number of doctors have already left the country for better opportunities outside, and more are set to leave. Those left with PPs have now sworn to hike up their prices. Now who suffers? And do you really think the VERY FEW consultants we have left will be able to cater to the needs of 120mil+ citizens?

This is a MAJOR blunder from the presidency and MoH.

moufan: i've always been anti jonathan but am fully with him on dis.those doctors are very useless and overpampered.they are all suffering from superiority complex

Doctors over pampered? Have you ever seen the pay slip of a Doctor?

pumpingmachine: GEJ seems to be making sense these days. I would have pitied the doctors but the way they've been acting really shows they are feeling too proud and should be checked. No matter what u are fighting for, your country is fighting Ebola yet u are on strike just because some other professionals got a position. Who does that? I know for sure this would be reversed but it should get them ruffled in the time being.

Nigeria is dealing with Ebola very well without NMA, I think we can continue to survive without them

I'm afraid this is not "sense", but OUT RIGHT STUPIDITY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. And this is coming from a staunch GEJ fan.

ocelot2006:

I'm afraid you're wrong. I hate to say this, but this is a great blunder from GEJ. Why fire the very group that keeps the Federal Hospitals running? Who's going to train the next generation of specialist doctors? Where are the poor and a huge chunk of the middle class going to run to? As we speak, a huge number of doctors have already left the country for better opportunities outside, and more are set to leave. Those left with PPs have now sworn to hike up their prices. Now who suffers? And do you really think the VERY FEW consultants we have left will be able to cater to the needs of 120mil+ citizens?

This is a MAJOR blunder from the presidency and MoH.

Who is begging them to stay? let them go and jam transformer. If they go abroad they will see how medicine is practiced and not this poo they practice in 9ja. You will see every health worker doing his or her own bits for the benefit of the patient.
Here in Nigeria doctors are the primary problem of the health sector. By the way, do you think practicing as a Nigerian trained doctor is easy abroad, so Mr man go and do your mathematics before posting rubbish.

firedup:

Doctors are already a disaster on the citizens by abandoning the tax payers by going on strike for a month an half now,do u know many that have died? abeg they should go out their and tackle ebola afterall they never went on strike for proper equiping of our hospitals but rather for ego trips and money. nonsense

Maybe you really need to read about the very reasons they went on strike in the first place. Maybe then you'll stop yapping trash.

THUNDER4real: Who is begging them to stay? let them go and jam transformer. If they go abroad they will see how medicine is practiced and not this poo they practice in 9ja. You will see every health worker doing his or her own bits for the benefit of the patient.
Here in Nigeria doctors are the primary problem of the health sector. By the way, do you think practicing as a Nigerian trained doctor is easy abroad, so Mr man go and do your mathematics before posting rubbish.

Guy, you're the one talking now, but I can assure you that the nation may be facing an imminent collapse of the health sector, no thanks to this decision (especially now that we have an Ebola outbreak, the worst in history). Do you really think the Medical Officers are cut out to perform the jobs of these crop of experienced specialists who basically run ALL the Teaching Hospitals? Or do you think the 4000 consultants left nationwide can handle 120mil+ Nigerians? It is people like you that I pity, cos you're now faced with a situation were you can only get your health care services from Teaching Hospitals staffed with inexperienced MOS + overworked consultants OR private practices owned by specialist docs were you have to pay through your nose for services. Oh, I forgot to add that the health services will still be underfunded, no one to train the new crop of cos, inadequate facilities, etc. But hey, your choice.

horlarlhekan:
WHY are u always right? See how u are insulting the masses as if you are the one feeding the whole country. I wonder what will happen if you are God. That's part of the egoistical and Non-challant attitude we are talking about. Please apologies to the mases coz without them are NOTHING

Uh mm...question: how would you feel if you were given a hazard pay of FIVE THOUSAND NAIRA (N5 , 000. 00) only to face all those deadly pathogens, with zero welfare package to for your wife and children when you lose your life?

Oh, did I forget to mention that you still haven't been issued the necessary personal protective gears and tools to carry out your tasks?

ocelot2006:

Guy, you're the one talking now, but I can assure you that the nation may be facing an imminent collapse of the health sector, no thanks to this decision (especially now that we have an Ebola outbreak, the worst in history). Do you really think the Medical Officers are cut out to perform the jobs of these crop of experienced specialists who basically run ALL the Teaching Hospitals? Or do you think the 4000 consultants left nationwide can handle 120mil+ Nigerians? It is people like you that I pity, cos you're now faced with a situation were you can only get your health care services from Teaching Hospitals staffed with inexperienced MOS + overworked consultants OR private practices owned by specialist docs were you have to pay through your nose for services. Oh, I forgot to add that the health services will still be underfunded, no one to train the new crop of cos, inadequate facilities, etc. But hey, your choice.

hey why are you beating around the bush? you said before that most doctors are preparing to leave the country now you are saying you pity people like me. Mr man I believe you were affected or some one close to you is. So who among both of us need to be pitied? Just make up your mind: You are jobless as of now or the person you are fighting for is jobless because of the wicked act of strike displayed. Do you think doctors in Nigeria are gods? I believe this is your mentality and its very childish of you. NIGERIANS WILL STILL SURVIVE even if it remains only one sincere doctor to take care of over 120 mil people..

Btw, the docs I've met are some of the most down - to - earth and fun loving class of dudes and ladies I know. Maybe it's cos of those 7+ gruesome years they face in medical school. Most of the hate you see actually come from those who basically couldn't make it into medical school (poor jamb scores, bad belle).

THUNDER4real: hey why are you beating around the bush? you said before that most doctors are preparing to leave the country now you are saying you pity people like me. Mr man I believe you were affected or some one close to you is. So who among both of us need to be pitied? Just make up your mind: You are jobless as of now or the person you are fighting for is jobless because of the wicked act of strike displayed. Do you think doctors in Nigeria are gods? I believe this is your mentality and its very childish of you. NIGERIANS WILL STILL SURVIVE even if it remains only one sincere doctor to take care of over 120 mil people..

First of all, I'm an engineer, not a doctor, and I'm an employer. But I'm wise enough to know and appreciate the importance of this group of doctors. It is the likes of you that I really pity. I only hope you or members of your family won't need a specialist anytime soon. Oh well, Mr. SURVIVALIST, I guess you can make do with the nearest chemist/pharmacy for your health care needs.

moluv2: u r one of the educated illiterates hu dnt kno a thing abt d medical proffesion and yet claim to kno so much.a house officer is NOT a resident dr! So wen u say " dis r guys dt avent gone 4nysc" it shows u av no clue @ all! And just listen 2ur self say it's ok when a dr dies because equipments 4his treatment were locked up by nurses during nurses' strike but d dr can't go on strike becos his work is to die a senseless death from various hazards including viruses(esp as govt doesn't provide d needed protection)so the foolish masses who dnt appreciate wat dier dr does 4dem continue to live to perpetrate more foolishness! How pathetic y'al are! The dr is licensed to kill the disease, not to get killed! A word 4senseless people.

mr moluv or wht eva u call urself,sinx I have been on nairaland I have neva indulged myself in sensless insults tht kids throw about here,I aired my opinion,and an educated graduate like you should knw better than to insult me,I won't warn u again

datribune:


This is exactly d problem. I take it dat u ar probably a nigerian doctor as d instinctive arrogance in ur post is true to character. Grow up & cut dat crap about salt. Reserve ur advice on ignorance 4 ur misguided self wit an overblown ego & an exaggerated sense of self-importance. d nigerian doctor wit his archaic, half baked training is nothing more than a glorified first aider. What pathetic nonsense! Can u imagine dat dis greedy money mongers often compare themselves to foreign doctors who ar growing limbs 4 d limbless & performing many medical wonders in line wit their calling & hippocratic oath. Dude, in today's nigeria, d street chemist is more relevant & does more 4 d average nigerian than ur overhyped, always-on-strike, greedy selves. I tell u authoritatively dat as things stand today in nigeria, dis chemists ar far more important & dedicated & hav more integrity than ur overhyped, arrogant selves. They hav always stood by & taken care of d nigerian people when u guys go on ur conscienceless, greedy, murderous, never-ending strikes.

I bet this is your personal opinion.

There are people who believe HIV, Ebola or Polio don't exist.

And everybody is entitled to his own opinion.

However, we must all follow the law or we get into trouble.

I foresee a future where both unauthorized prescribers aka "killers" as well as the people who patronize them will be penalized.

armadeo:


All these lies you are sharing dia is ......

do your research,could point u in the right direction if u politely ask for my help

armadeo:


All these lies you are sharing dia is ......

do your research,could point u in the right direction if u politely ask for my help

[quote author=ocelot2006]


First of all, I'm an engineer, not a doctor, and I'm an employer. But I'm wise enough to know and appreciate the importance of this group of doctors. It is the likes of you that I really pity. I only hope you or members of your family won't need a specialist anytime soon. Oh well, Mr. SURVIVALIST, I guess you can make do with the nearest chemist/pharmacy for your health care needs.["/quote] Are you serious; you are an engineer? I don't even need to chat with you, no-wonder you have been posting rubbish. Go and verify things before posting; Mr ENGINEER. You said you are wise, but all the things you have posted shows how unwise you are.

Arosa: If this is true then the Doctors should go 'job searching' in Countries that will appreciate them more.

A Nigerian Doctor told a fam of mine he had diabetes meanwhile he *HAD* cancer. May his soul R.I.P.

90% of them don't know what they are doing. Only about 3% will get a job outside the country.

[quote author=THUNDER4real][/quote]


Sure, because the garbage you've been posting are authentic. Btw, what even your issue with the doctors? 'couldn't make it to medical school with your JAMB score of 101 ? Yeah, that's what happens when you place less focus on your books and more on skelewu. Now buzz off kiddo, you have GCSE to prepare for . Coconut head.

Its very funny when I hear people talk about "Now the doctors will go practice outside Nigeria"... That's complete ignorance to the situation of things.. Now the world has changed and its only VERY FEW (worthwhile) countries that one would have the GOLDEN opportunity to get registered and practice... Its extremely difficult these days, and only plausible for just a few; and that is after a hard time writing exams and being persistent and dogged in their drive...
The truth is that most Nigerian doctors know this that is why they are still back home practicing....... Its very difficult these days...
In a few weeks time, those locum positions would be filled up with same doctors that went on strike as there would be a huge scramble for it
The strike actions were already getting alarming and embarrassing to the medical profession and Nigerians at large... It was one too far too many
As always "Discretion is a better part of valour"

ebosse:


A Nigerian Doctor told a fam of mine he had diabetes meanwhile he *HAD* cancer. May his soul R.I.P.

90% of them don't know what they are doing. Only about 3% will get a job outside the country.

my brother,is it also possible that the man had diabetes IN ADDITION TO OR COEXISTING WITH cancer

this is a post from a nairalander who lost his dad,a soldier in the north to boko haram. RIP to the gallant soldier

He called me some weeks back and was complaining about the poor and inadequate amunition given to them, in Liberia and Sierra Leone was more than enough bullets for them to fight with but here they are given 30 to 60 bullets each day.
The current Commander in Chief, GEJ is not helping the nation, just 45 solidiers engaged 300 insurgents in a fiearce gun battle for 2 whole hours yet no land or air backup.
The soldiers fought till they ran out of bullets yet didnt run away but chose to die, this country is not worth dying for.

DrLuv:
shallow asumption from a mind with limited information.99% of naijas are like this..always thinking doctors are each oliver twist and being pampered.besides who says the country is pöör?chai.this news u are sharing...there is God o

Dis deluded rant is exactly d problem wit d typical overhyped, overpampered nigerian doctor. Even dis mumu who in his ignorance thinks nigeria is not poor is talking down on nigerians & calling dem ignorant & shallow. d misguided arrogance & exaggerated sense of self importance of dis group of conscienceless, always-on-strike, greedy individuals is amazing. I'm no GEJ fan but he got dis one right. We ar wit him.

ziga:

I bet this is your personal opinion.

There are people who believe HIV, Ebola or Polio don't exist.

And everybody is entitled to his own opinion.

However, we must all follow the law or we get into trouble.

I foresee a future where both unauthorized prescribers aka "killers" as well as the people who patronize them will be penalized.

d chemists take care of nigerians when doctors abandon them & go on their never-ending murderous strikes. They've been on strike for some weeks now. Ask urself what will happen if dis chemists go on a one-day strike?.
d law must always be followed & is being followed. There ar probably more poorly trained, second rate quack doctors than unregistered chemists.

sambisa5:

ma bf is a medical student....c gurl abeg,mk we come dey run? We wey no be medical?

datribune:


d chemists take care of nigerians when doctors abandon them & go on their never-ending murderous strikes. They've been on strike for some weeks now. Ask urself what will happen if dis chemists go on a one-day strike?.
d law must always be followed & is being followed. There ar probably more poorly trained, second rate quack doctors than unregistered chemists.

Ignorance and mediocrity is going to be the downfall of Nigeria.

lrguru: u don't have to explain miss and before u start insultin me, which I'm sure was what u wanted to do, I'd say that y can't the big man buy those things for himself and why complain about it. If the roof is leakin, its govt, if the room is dirty, its govt, if the gen didn't work or they have embezzled all the money, people will still say its govt. U and I know that the FG is not doin well, but instead of complainin about this, why not attack the hospital management. Don't they have people in charge of sanitary or sanitation? If u as a Dr. Ur office is dirty, can't u clean it up? Will the FG come and do it for u? And like I said if the doctors had gone on strike strictly cos of the poor standards of hospitals then it is justified not cos of some selfish reasons. Ebola is out there and they are scared to attend to patient, cos they don't want to die. Who does not face hazzard in his/her place of work, abi na only Dr's de work for naija? How much do de pay drivers of public vehicles as hazzard allowance?. So since the dr's have been on strike what has changed, did the whole Nigeria die? Who wan live go live. Dr's are not GOD.

its no wonder you're not a doc, your decision making process is appalling and your IQ is obviously very low as seen by all... read wat u typed and reply yourself...

dumodust:
its no wonder you're not a doc, your decision making process is appalling and your IQ is obviously very low as seen by all... read wat u typed and reply yourself...

you that have read, what was ur own reply? Comin here to lecture me about appalin. I'd advice u think of a way to save yourself from this mess ur NMA boss has got u guys into rather than usin ur last energy and last salary been paid to u by the govt to subscribe and type rubbish. U better start savin now, cos the last time I checked unemployment rate was high and addin 16000 persons to it is goin to worsen it. Think of smart ways to outperform your 15999 colleague in the job market u just landed now because what seems obvious here is ur overused barrel u call brain

dumodust:
you are just a clear case of beef and it will take you no where... people like you that go on ranting about other people during a working day are certainly either not doing their jobs well or are not good at it and are lower rung staff.
if you have no education... dont go about envying those who's degrees are transferable... deal with your own life

Anybody who challenges a Nigerian doctor in a debate is either seen as jealous or illiterate. Lord in heaven knows I've never had any passion in the medical profession.

That being said, I only called out the disrespectful Dr like you who saw nothing wrong in calling the entire Nigerian citizenry stupid and ignorant.

Hey, today is public holidays in some states. And besides, not everybody works for the government.

Nuzo1:

Anybody who challenges a Nigerian doctor in a debate is either seen as jealous or illiterate. Lord in heaven knows I've never had any passion in the medical profession.

That being said, I only called out the disrespectful Dr like you who saw nothing wrong in calling the entire Nigerian citizenry stupid and ignorant.

Hey, today is public holidays in some states. And besides, not everybody works for the government.

keep ranting like a nagging wife

Is a resident a specialist or someone in training to become one? Is a resident a permanent staff or someone doing on the job training? Why are we always talking out of emotions without facing facts. There are consultants, who by right perform intrinsic jobs that u allay, GEJ said he will reinstate then once the problem in health sector is solved simple. That I believe will include holding people accountable for job done. Making sure u sign in and out of work. Making sure ethic and good team work is ensured. And let me say this, for people barking Doctors will run abroad to practice, I laugh. Can they really be able to cope abroad? Don't think they can get away with stuff they do here including incessant strikes, poor patient management, indiscipline and punctuality (signing in and out of work), accountability and good team work (especially when they have been taught in Nigeria its a master/slave relationship in hospitals without respect for other professionals as expressed even in this forum). Even has this belief a bachelors degree in Medicine and surgery makes then eternally higher than other Bachelors degree holders. Some have gone and would tell you better. Mindsets needs to be purged and respect needs to be restored. Ethics needs to be upheld. For the reason people are gathered is the patient not the Doctor or Nurses or anyone else. Doctors head each team/clinical services anyone can run the hospitals once he has administrative bias. Each profession has its own scheme of service, and heading a team isn't a boss/servant relationship but primus inter pares. Each unit is funded to maximise productivity. Salaries are negotiated upon job evaluation not collectively. Medicine has advance and we must move with the world and not lag behind. Indiscipline is punished by appointed review committee not a Doctor because u are not any persons Boss except fellow Doctor. A review committee must encompass members of each profession. Each profession should reach its pinnacle cos that's how Nigerians will get the best. I enjoy these things here so nigerians deserve same. quote author=ocelot2006]

Guy, you're the one talking now, but I can assure you that the nation may be facing an imminent collapse of the health sector, no thanks to this decision (especially now that we have an Ebola outbreak, the worst in history). Do you really think the Medical Officers are cut out to perform the jobs of these crop of experienced specialists who basically run ALL the Teaching Hospitals? Or do you think the 4000 consultants left nationwide can handle 120mil+ Nigerians? It is people like you that I pity, cos you're now faced with a situation were you can only get your health care services from Teaching Hospitals staffed with inexperienced MOS + overworked consultants OR private practices owned by specialist docs were you have to pay through your nose for services. Oh, I forgot to add that the health services will still be underfunded, no one to train the new crop of cos, inadequate facilities, etc. But hey, your choice.[/quote]

People keep saying Hazard allowance, does the money compensate for exposures? People shouldn't really be paid for hazard monthly without being exposed rather an insurance policy established for compensation when hazard occurs. There is something called PPE's those are things to be clamoured for and enforced because Nigerians don't really comply to rules including Healthcare providers. Why should A Doctor touch a patient without wear a hand gloves? Most disregard safety measures and complain of exposures latter. Universal safety measure for healthcare providers is consider pathogenic till proven otherwise. Nurses, Doctors, Medical laboratory Scientists, radiographer, cleaners, ward attendants etc are all exposed to hazards at work. Government should stop paying workers Hazard allowance monthly but establish an insurance policy for compensation when hazards occur simple

ocelot2006:


Uh mm...question: how would you feel if you were given a hazard pay of FIVE THOUSAND NAIRA (N5 , 000. 00) only to face all those deadly pathogens, with zero welfare package to for your wife and children when you lose your life?

Oh, did I forget to mention that you still haven't been issued the necessary personal protective gears and tools to carry out your tasks?

3kay945: Just passing by...





The president is not stupid so he can't do that.

lol... sowhat do you think about the pfresident now?