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Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by DaBullIT(m): 10:43pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
Would you pay someone else to sleep with your wife when you have a dick ? I guess not , meaning there's no need to pay other countries or mercenaries to end this Granted , like every other organization in charge of welfare military's entitlements ,are being embezzled , misused or it just disappears Those who stole pension funds belonging to retirees still walk free in our dearly beloved country , however you do not see civil servants not going to work In this country boko haram boldly enters military barracks , attacks them and steals average of 20 tons armored tank and just drive into the sunset ? As silly as I may appear to cyber geniuses , this is not supposed to happen if bokoharam steals a tank , you blast the stolen tank to smitherings along with the occupants amd other people using the stolen tank as cover (with other tanks on base or is it only one tank in the barracks ?) US DOD will rather blow up a jet filled with 3000 passengers if its hijacked rather than let that jet be used against citizens on ground / rather than let it fall into enemy's hands Finally , Nigerian Army's problem is not paying entitlements to fallen soldiers and families , it is that most of the soldiers are loyal to their brothers in tribe and religion If report confirms that most boko haram weapon are the ones stolen from base , then how can boko haram be better equipped ? NAF ,NAM ,NN , all put together can coordinate aerial and land strikes Sniper team , armored tanks , armored personnel vehicles with 50cal armor piecing rounds , bomber teams , grenade launcher teams , land mines to surround previously surveyed and marked areas and boxing these scumbags in and this will be over in less than a week But no , as long as some brothers dash their brothers Nigerian army's weapons , and the others are complaining about national cake , let's all sit back and pretend nothing is happening , eediots and aaarseholes What's on the mountain is not fire , its nuclear bomb and its counting down . Let's see who survives when they are done infiltrating the Yoruba , Igbo and other non Hausa territories |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by RebelLeader15(m): 10:48pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
MadCow1: Even if we give them Nuclear Bomb... They will still complain.always behaving like a madCOW ever since you sign up on NL |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by tuoyoojo(m): 10:52pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
I have said it bf, the police and military shud go on strike o! If don't , they wud keep killing them like flies. The govt only responses to strike |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by MadCow1: 10:55pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
RebelLeader15: always behaving like a madCOW ever since you sign up on NL You sound surprised.. |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by lastmessenger: 11:00pm On Aug 19, 2014 |
PointB: It's sad that some soldiers have chosem to desert their country when needed most, on flimsy excuses of inadequate weapons. 2 Likes |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by Akinsnaira: 12:22am On Aug 20, 2014 |
It is very obvious that APC will defeat PDP by landslide in the NE and other parts of North, that is why gej isn't interested in their peace, so as to disenfranchize as many people as possible in the election. Gej is like a snake, he uses silence game to cajole most Nigerians and portray himself as a gentleman, now a lot of hired supporters, his cohorts and tribal bigots have been clamouring for his re-run but he still keeps mute as if he isn't interested, just like the case in 2009 when mr gentleman's constitutional right was being delayed for him to take up the mantle of power after the demise of his predecessor, and he perfectly played his game of gentlemanliness on the gullibility of poor masses who later trooped out to give him their supports before unprecedented senario (doctrine of necessity) was adopted to see to his ascension into office. We need a plain and straightforward leader with a clear idea of where people are heading to under his stewardship, not a cunning sychophant like this man. This was the Nigerian Military that brought an end to the more elusive militancy in the niger-delta within 2 years of Yaradua's regime. Yes, gej's praise-singers would say it was more as a result of willingness of those restive youth to negotiate and embrace peace, but it is clear that if clannishness and partisanship were this prevalent during that administration, that would have become mission impossible. I would say revolution is the best solution in this country, but having a real steel and charismatic leader can also motivate people and bring back the lost morale |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by ocelot2006(m): 1:09am On Aug 20, 2014 |
Henry120: Bros, leave all that talk. We both know that equipment procurement is an issue. Yes, the military bought 6 new Mi-35Ms, but are those enough? Where are the much needed transport helos like the Mi-17s for the QRFs? Do you want to deny that fact that the soft skinned vehicles and even armoured vehicles like the Otokar Cobra are not underarmed with just Fcking GPMGs while BH hilux trucks have 50cal HMGS mounted on theirs? And back to the armoured vehicles; how many MRAPS do we have In the field? I dare say that the NPF own way more of these vehicles than the army. And what do the army have? A splatter of Bigfoot MRAPS, Otokar Cobra bought during the Niger Delta insurgency, and a bought of old vehicles. I don't even want to talk about combat air support 'cos the air force's performance has been less than satisfactory. Till date, the military (NAF in particular) still can't support and relieve military units stationed in remote areas in the North east or in some cases even special forces teams operating behind enemy lines. No, these teams have to fight with limited ammo till they run out. So how do you expect them to protect all these border hamlets/villages. Now don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no qualms with the training of our military, and our brave men and women of the armed forces are itching for a good fight and payback. After all, same military successfully brought the raging insurgency in the Niger-Delta to an end. I also know desertion is normal during wars. But guy, moral is currently very low. Every time my friends in the Police MOPOL Squadrons on the usual 6 months rotation to the NE, it Is the very same story: they're outgunned, ammo ' s always low (2 mags only), desertion is on the rise. Till we accept that all is not well, and try to resolve the problems that plague the military, we'll continue to face these issues. 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by sweetgala(m): 2:11am On Aug 20, 2014 |
atlwireles: Actually they are the Chadians and Cameroon are well trained and equipped by the French army |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by ghananotnaija(m): 4:33am On Aug 20, 2014 |
Nigerian military na paper tiger! Even ragtag militants like BH or MEND fit bring the Nigerian army to its knees. So that means Chad or Cameroon can have,its way with Nigeria militarily. SMDH. Useless nation. |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by ceaser: 7:26am On Aug 20, 2014 |
QMark: I support this movement. Withdraw until you get well equipped. While risking sounding like a broken record or veering off a little, I'll want to make mention that if the same positive attitude and goodwill displayed here for the soldiers are extended to the lecturers, doctors and even any Nigerian health worker who downs tools for improvement in service delivery, our leaders will be more afraid of us and will always dance to the dictates of the electorates whom they took an oath to serve, not fattening their own pockets and bank accounts. The Caucasians are always on the side of the labour in any labour-government face-off and rightly so. The truth is that government given a free hand will want every Nigerian to work without been paid. I read this few days ago. Asked whether doctors go on strike in Germany, one of our German collaborators in the Institute of Lassa Fever Research and Control, ISTH, Irrua answered. "Oh no. When doctors have issues government as a matter of priority resolves them urgently. Where there is a delay, other citizens embark on protests and if necessary strike while the doctors remain in the hospitals to take care of sick citizens and the emergencies that may result from the protest or the strike action embarked upon by the good citizens". What do we have in Nigeria? In spite of the fact that most strikes by doctors are in their interest with a view to improving healthcare delivery, they ridicule, criticize and insult the doctors. They are more comfortable with business as usual than positive change. Really, "was there ever a country" at anytime? |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by DaBullIT(m): 7:27am On Aug 20, 2014 |
ocelot2006: Taaaaaaaa if I hearam which kin Army end mend matter ? Ability govt pay them off |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by ocelot2006(m): 8:42am On Aug 20, 2014 |
DaBullIT: The FG adopted the Carrot & Stick approach. The late Yaradua initial granted amnesty to all the militant groups, but was to last till September of that year (2006/2007 I think). Immediately it ended, the stick (Joint Task Force under the then Brig. Gen Bell, current Counter-terrorism Coordinator at the Office of the NSA) was applied with ruthless efficiency. Port Harcourt was retaken from the grasp of militants and cultists, the dreaded Camp-9 of MEND was captured, and militant leaders were hunted down like rats. Or why do you think they all ran to the swamps? |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by tunex23: 8:56am On Aug 20, 2014 |
HAH: Honestly the government are not helping this men that volunteered themselves to fight for the nation.. Over 10 yrs as a Nairalander, I must confess this is one of the best comment I ever read! Kudos to u |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by MadCow1: 8:58am On Aug 20, 2014 |
RaptorX: All these talk of not having adequate weapons to fight BH is to me just silly excuses, like pointed out earlier the main problem is lack of morale and cowardice. Not weapons or so called sabotage. Lol.. Funny stuff is that what that guy was firing at the walls of the barracks was not even an AA Gun but a 50 Cal mounted on a pick-up truck. There is not a single weapon that Boko Haram has that the Nigerian Army does not have and even have better.. I would go with low Morale. There is no real motivation to fight Boko Haram. 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by Norajones(f): 12:45pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
ocelot2006:exactly my point 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by HAH: 1:56pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
InvertedHammer: What did Nigeria go to do in Mali ? Is it not to fight islamic insurgents and was it not the comity of nations including Nigeria that saved them, what is wrong if a war is getting out of hand and we seek external help, Nigerian army problem is not weapons ir money but low morale and the fact that no one want to die for the nation, one the other hand the terrorist are ready to die for their belief, do you know that all the tanks BH use are Nigerian army's, do you know that 90% of guns and RPG that BH uses are Nigerian army's. |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by Sammyblaq(m): 2:07pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
The Army should attach Air-raids to counters to win this war. Period. |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by Sammyblaq(m): 2:22pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
HAH:on a serious note...nobody wants to die. Life sweet joor. Careful gallant soldiers #Ahoà rugged. Get these boys equipped i beg... 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by komekn(m): 2:33pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
deji68: Better equipment?? ....Hmnn big english, i used to think our soldiers go to war barefeet, with Daneguns"...e.t.c, until i stumbled on " Siriusblack" thread...BH does not have aircover, artillerry, they carry Ak47 like our soldiers, they drive hilux and some stolen APC ...imagine BH asking Shekau for better equipments ..i think his reply will be, "what about the ones we took from the army"?I think the equipments we have are adequate to fight BH ...we are not fighting cameroon , Algeria e.t,c...i thing what the lazy deserters need is courage and u cant buy it from the American or russians.....maybe we might need the Asterix druid...miraculix(Getafix) I think your misinformed, on paper the NA looks good in reality we just don't have the capacity, our equipment is mostly 30 years old, we do noy have fit for purpose IFV's. In the UK if a soldier was sent out without the right equipment and back up, very senior officers would face a court martial according to general rules for wilful negligence and dereliction of duty. In Nigeria the Generals send their kids to the USA, UK etc and buy multi million naira houses in Maitama and are commended for sending hundreds of soldiers to an early grave, the PERVERSION OF CORRUPTION is the real enemy killing the NA. 3 Likes |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by komekn(m): 2:36pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
Sammyblaq: The Army should attach Air-raids to counters to win this war. Period. With what air force, we are in the millennium and the NAF still don't have precision guided weaponry. |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by InvertedHammer: 3:03pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
HAH:What you stated are facts. But we can do is collaborate with other nations to annihilate BH. The collaboration is what is currently going. Whether Nigeria is holding up their own side of the bargain calls for a debate. However, Nigeria shall not contract out their sovereign security to another nation. Currently, the rumor is that the Presidency is being guarded by Israeli forces. This can only happen in countries under occupation such as Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. But Nigeria is good at copying all the bad things for comparison while pretending that good alternatives do not exist. / |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by jpphilips(m): 3:34pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
1United1: They are right! When the Commander-In-Chief is busy commandeering their common wealth into his personal vault while preparing to extend his looting years by another 4 years using every available illegitimate process, the poor soldiers who ordinary should be equipped with extraordinary warfare as the military budget suggests are left to fight with clubs, daggers and outdated non functional tanks! In the face of all these, the poor soldiers are the ones protecting the politicians, Zombie comes to mind. Leave our politicians for 1hr unguarded then we will know whether jungle justice will not be their portion 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by jpphilips(m): 4:31pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
SergeAlain: You have a sense of misplaced priority, who misappropriated the armed forces funding? That is where the culpability is 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by jpphilips(m): 4:36pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
RaptorX: All these talk of not having adequate weapons to fight BH is to me just silly excuses, like pointed out earlier the main problem is lack of morale and cowardice. Not weapons or so called sabotage. Always talking nonsense!! 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by rhames(m): 5:41pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
9ja4Change: A group of soldiers in north-eastern Nigeria is refusing to fight Boko Haram militants until they receive better equipment, one of the mutineers has told the BBC. At least some of these politicians should cast their mind back to 1983 when 5 Nigerian soldiers were murdered by Cameroonian gendarmerie. The after math was a loss of confidence in the ability of the civilian administration of Shehu Shagari to effectively rule the country and a coup detat that overthrew him. I pray hard that this does not happen. 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by atlwireles: 6:46pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
The Nigerian military has refuted claims by an anonymous soldier that there is an impending mutiny by some disgruntled soldiers over the lack of quality equipment. The soldier, who requested anonymity, told the BBC that a group of soldiers in north-eastern Nigeria was refusing to fight Boko Haram militants until they receive better equipment. “Soldiers are dying like fowl,” the soldier, who said he and his colleagues were just outside Maiduguri, told the BBC Hausa Service. “The Nigerian Army is not ready to fight Boko Haram,” he said, explaining that soldiers were not being given enough weapons and ammunition to take them on. “Boko Haram are inside the bush, everywhere,” he said “they [senior commanders] are sacrificing soldiers,” he said. However, the Director of Defence Information, Major-General Chris Olukolade, said that the soldier’s claim reeked of cowardice as soldiers do not ignore orders once given. “The degree of cowardice is not in the character of real soldiers of the Nigerian Army. The series of lies contained in the alleged responses of the faceless person referred to as a soldier confirms the whole arrangement as another step of the mischief makers working for the terrorists. “No soldier has been sent on any mission without being armed. Each soldier answers for his action in terms of discipline,” General Olukolade said. |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by RaptorX: 8:18pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
jpphilips:What nonsence am i talking? The American death toll in Iraq was 4000+ kia, and 30,000 wounded before they pull out and in Afghanistan 2000+ kia and rising, these are official US dept of defence figures so mr know all what nonsence am i talking. |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by deji68: 8:35pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
I am well informed enough for a bystander, i am not in the army, but what i have seen and read enough we have Tanks(BH have none, except technikers) we APC (BH have stolen few) Well kitted soldiers with body armour(only shekau and some commanders have body armour) Well equiped Snipers Team(BH unkown) Artillery(we have one the best in Africa) Aircover(enough for BH Battle) 150000 Men(BH has etimated 4000 fighter) .I think the army is well equip enough to fight the BH scourge.There is alway complain of inadequate equipments.It happened at the initial stage of the Gulf, where US soldier , complained about the amoury of their APC and Humvees.In every human endeveour, everyone could alway do with a better tool...but neglecting ur duty while waiting for upgrade is wrong....I notice a trend in disparaging the NA in the media ...Let support our millitary We should not mistake cowardice for agitation for better weapon....I think some of those, thinking we can buy a super machine off the shelve, press some buttons and the war is won, are living in fools paradise..The hard reality is that many soldiers will pay the supreme price to protect our freedom , some have already done(May their soul rest in peace).America with all their drones and weapon are still losing soldier...there is no shortcut only hard work, sweat,gut and grit will carry us through....for the deserters..make una go drink the magic portion ala Asterix druid getafix instead of peeper soup...or go find another Job For the Gallant ones GOd will continue to protect u komekn: |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by Sammyblaq(m): 8:09am On Aug 21, 2014 |
komekn:upon a whole lot of dough is been allocated to the armed forces steady. Failed state! |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by ocelot2006(m): 8:57pm On Aug 21, 2014 |
deji68: I am well informed enough for a bystander, i am not in the army, but what i have seen and read enough Oh please don't make me laugh. Yes we have tanks (even though they outdated and antique T-50s and Vickers MK3). And yes we have a number of APCs, but they are NOT enough. And if I may ask, how many of these vehicles are actually operational as we speak? We don't even have have enough MRAPs for Christ sake! All our soldiers rely on are soft skinned Hilux and Ford Ranger pickups which, like the APCS, are totally under equipped with mere GPMGS. And these is when BH Technicals are HEAVILY armed with HMGs and AA guns. The Police's case is even a more pathetic one because their armed with simple assault rifles (Type56-2, etc). Btw, of what use are snipers and soldiers with body armour/assault vest if they're not given enough ammo when BH are equipped with surpluses from the last Libyan war. And please do NOT get me started on the Airforce. Where are the Attack fixed-wing Aircrafts? How many attacks helos do we have? Most importantly, where are the Fcking transport helicopters for the QRFS? |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by deji68: 10:01pm On Aug 21, 2014 |
I hope we are still talking about Bh before u start laughing..BH drive in soft skin HILUX AND FORD RANGERS PICKUPS like the NA.in fact the only APC and tanks they drive are stolen from the NA..The same Old Vickers and T-50s abi??They have no MRAPs except the ones our lazy deserters dash them...Shekau doesnt even understand what u mean with fixed-wings aircraft or assault helicopters, because they dont have aircover...about the (types56-29) police rifles, i think we are talking about the NA not the police, even in some "siriusblack" or beeagle blog i have seen well armed policemen with modern assault weapons in NEast war front.Everybody come here with vague argument about lack or inadequate equipments.My God!!!! we are not fighting America or even S Africa.I know a lot have to be done in terms of equipment, strategy. e.tc so that we can win this war quickly..But anybody that think there is a quick fix solution the person is living Utopia....we have to roll up our sleeves and fight " In my view our real challenges are – In-experienced soldiers, who are encouraged by the political press (sahara et al) to believe that if they make sufficient noise this cup will pass over them – A public that has not understood that this is a war, same blood, guts and sweat scenario the made Churchill make his famous speech." The quote above is from ZED(Beabeagle blog)...i think it summarize our present situation.. ocelot2006: 1 Like |
Re: Boko Haram: Soldiers Mutiny, Demand Better Equipment by ocelot2006(m): 12:24am On Aug 22, 2014 |
deji68: I hope we are still talking about Bh before u start laughing..BH drive in soft skin HILUX AND FORD RANGERS PICKUPS like the NA.in fact the only APC and tanks they drive are stolen from the NA..The same Old Vickers and T-50s abi??They have no MRAPs except the ones our lazy deserters dash them...Shekau doesnt even understand what u mean with fixed-wings aircraft or assault helicopters, because they dont have aircover...about the (types56-29) police rifles, i think we are talking about the NA not the police, even in some "siriusblack" or beeagle blog i have seen well armed policemen with modern assault weapons in NEast war front.Everybody come here with vague argument about lack or inadequate equipments.My God!!!! we are not fighting America or even S Africa.I know a lot have to be done in terms of equipment, strategy. e.tc so that we can win this war quickly..But anybody that think there is a quick fix solution the person is living Utopia....we have to roll up our sleeves and fight Of course BH drives soft skinned vehicles like the Army. There is just one difference: theirs is armed with HEAVY MACHINE GUNS (50cal) and even AA guns, while ours is armed with simple GPMGs. Now tell me, in a firefight, how do you expect the later to take on the former, ESPECIALLY without your acclaimed "aircover"? And speaking of aircover, do we even have the necessary assets on ground? Our primary fixed-wing asset for air support is the Alpha jet, but it is basically a LIGHT attack aircraft/trainer. That means it 's payload is limited with 250 lb bombs and rocket pods. No precision munition at all. The Mi-35 attack helos are actually quite effective, but there are few in theatre. Oh, did I mention that there are no heavy or medium lift helicopters to fly in QRF teams to relieve units trapped in remote regions as the later faces a major BH onslaught. Instead, these units in peril (be it regular infantry or special forces), and with limited ammo, have to duke it out with a numerically superior enemy armed with heavier weapons while reinforcement have to drive for hours to rescue these soldiers. And did I mention no air cover? I've had friends in the Force (Police MOPOL) come home at the end of their rotations and tell horror stories. Of deadly ambushes and needless slaughter of brave men, and no air support, and of a cunning and ruthless enemy armed to the teeth. But most of all, they talk about the low morale. I'll say this again, until we stop burying our heads in the sand and own up to the deficiencies of our military, we'll continue to think that all is well when it isn't. Btw, the NPF ' S elite MOPOL Training School just fell to BH. Where was the aircover? One more thing, do NOT underestimate BH. Remember the Americans in Afghanistan? They currently face a ragtag Taliban. Tell me, how's the fight going? |
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