soroptimist:

Trying to compare politicking during Awo's time and what is presently obtainable is akin to comparing Heaven and Hell

We had a situation where members contributed to the party from whence the party got money to run itself.....The people own the party and had a sense of belonging with them....Not what is happening now,where most of us are apatethic and would not want to spend our fortune to support a cause

The Military incursion in our body polity by IBB wherein he banned almost all the old war-horse who knew much about party management and ideology,paved the way for the winner takes all mentality we now have

And adaptability being a part of a man's survival instinct,a situation whereby almost all the Military Generals having been pushed out of power and their conservative element who have benefitted a lot found their way to the PDP and were ever prepared to outmuscle and outspend anyone in order to keep the cookie jar from being taken away from them......

Tinubu simply stepped up to the plate by matching the reactionary forces of PDP,wit for wit and money for money

Tinubu can't be preaching ideology when the conservative forces are distributing rice,kerosene and recharge card to an already pauparied electorates which is ready to mortgage their future on the altar of stomach infrastructure

My enemy cant be fighting me with an AK-47 and you expect me to draw a catapult

Those of us mouthing off and acting sanctimonious should go and form a party,pay your membership fees,develop an ideology....so as to take the Tinubu's out of circulation

Tom Ikimi should go to PDP and become the Chairman if he cant have his way in APC

maestroferddi: My brother nobody has made it to the top politically by converting areas under their domain into a private fiefdom.


Even among thieves, there are some honours. Tinubu's overriding quest to have sole ownership of economic interests in areas under APC control is what we should be talking about here.


The murmuring is getting louder by the day and the main character in the midst of the whole disaffection is not showing any desire to relax his stranglehold on till-box.


The issue has never been a paucity of party funding but vaulting greed.

How do you explain the situation where resources that should be channelled to foster rapid economic and infrastructural development are being funnelled away to satiate an avaricious potentate?


Is the foregoing who APC intends to provide a credible alternative to PDP?

arresa:


Why should we be talking about the imaginary, made up, baseless and unfounded fantasies you can not substantiate with any credible facts?

You don't have to like APC, but making up trash betrays your own sense of judgment and good rationale..

but Buhari defiled your Nigerian context serving under Abacha, anyways we can spend the whole week discussing our views on Buhari

How is Kwankwaso part of the old guard?
In fact the pdp is the old guard

now you take maryam Abacha's words? Interesting.

igbo leaders sold apga to the PDP long before rochas left.

until the defection, Apc had no power in Kano, rivers and Sokoto, today they have strong structures unlike what ikimi, FFk, Shekarau, Modu Sherriff and Ribadu will give the pdp.

maestroferddi: And from where did you wiggle out from?


Don't be dumb: read the referenced article and stop making a fool of yourself.

soroptimist:

It is not only those who are in PDP that should or must have access to Nigeria's National prosperity......

maestroferddi:

How do you explain the situation where resources that should be channelled to foster rapid economic and infrastructural development are being funnelled away to satiate an avaricious potentate?


Is the foregoing who APC intends to provide a credible alternative to PDP?

stood out (performance) under Abacha.

when understanding of old guard = obj, IBB, Tinubu, Osoba, Buhari, anenih, danjuma, bode George, ciroma, gana, and they are all in control of the pdp.
Akpabio, gej and co cant be the old guard.

how is Kwankwaso part of the old guard?

maybe no one takes her seriously.

obi could also be classified as such. Ojukwu was closer to the ANPP than the pdp.

maybe rivers is unpredictable (check pictures of Amaechi ward tour) definitely not kano.

deeobserver209: Took time to read all the essays. To be honest, Tom Ikimi's arguments are valid and true. We saw some of them transpired with Shakarau, Attahiru Bafarawa and Alimodu Sherrif (Who almost slapped Tinubu) thus, leading to their defection to PDP.

esere826:

Ever built something with people
then they turn around and push you away for flimsy reasons?

How do you think that Tinubu would have felt
if the South West governors had sidelined him?

Anyways,...as long as APC does not crumble. I'll be happy

arresa:

What is dumb is you cementing your thoughts and beliefs with some baseless and unproven trash cooked up by a bitter and rejected loser...

seguno2:

What do you mean up there? Is it simply about sharing the national cake? When will our politics be about how to make the national cake

maestroferddi: Asori for you who can't see beyond your nose.

Maybe it never happened when the people of Ondo state resoundingly rejected to be enyoked by a foreign god in the shape of Tinubu by humiliating the APC and its figurehead Rotimi Akeredolu at the last guber polls.


Or should we say it was made up when it emerged that Fayemi dismal embarrassment a few months ago was not so much on his unpopularity and poor performance but a clear message that the people of Ekiti were no longer going to condone the pillaging of their state to assuage self-serving forces.

Let us not even broach the case of Lagos...


I suggest you develop a mind of your own so as to critically view issues.

Sincere9gerian: Interesting tales from an insider. While Tinubu attack dogs are still ranting and hoping against hope that the dying APC could be rescued, their master, Tinubu, has already sold the useless party and pocketed the returns on his investment. Yeye dey smell!

Sincere9gerian: Interesting tales from an insider. While Tinubu attack dogs are still ranting and hoping against hope that the dying APC could be rescued, their master, Tinubu, has already sold the useless party and pocketed the returns on his investment. Yeye dey smell!

even Jonathan can't fault the ptf

well i removed buhari because he has never joined the pdp and he is not stupendously rich.
As for tinubu and osoba, i have not seen their contribution to the centre (FG) it will be unfair to call them old guard.

maybe no one is interested in a mud fight. Unlike what the presidency and the pdp is known for

like i said ojukwu (apga founder) didn’t want anything to do with the pdp, he contested against them but obi and so sold Apga to that same party.

Buhari pictures was backed up with 12 million votes brother.

soroptimist:

To the first part of the bolded i will need you to provide any evidence to substantiate that......May be its only you that Knows that resources are being funnelled or sieved away to satiate anyone.....and infact you will do well to package all of that into a petition and forward same to the comatose EFCC

If you accuse Tinubu of being a fixer....i may not argue with you,yet i ask where all of you were when he was single handedly building structures and financing NADECO and all its underground operations then right from when he was in Primrose group while still an Executive of Mobil in the 90s

Until we all get involved and take over the financing of political parties from the money bags.........we will not only continue to sermonise but agonise about the influence of the Tinubu's of this world

Also you asked if APC was the kind of opposition we wished for but let me also ask if the one you are envisioning include the Accord,APGA,LP.......or may KOWA,BNPP, all of whom are PDP by Proxy

mbulela: Ikimi is no saint but these grave accusations are proof that there is no true opposition in Nigeria.
All politicians are the same,looking out for their belly.
I will vote in 2015. Not because I believe in APC and the rouges who lead it but because I cannot reward the failure and ineptitude of GEJ with my vote.
I expect a specific and direct response from Lai Mohammed not one of those watery responses.
However, I might be waiting in vain.

soroptimist:

No one is hoodwinked by your recourse to sentiment....your daily prayer has always been that evil befall Tinubu and APC,just for the mere fact that he alone( may be alongside Buhari) represent the major head-ache of PDP

Strike the sheperd and the flock will scatter.......yet Tinubu as flawed as he is,will not be deterred in launching BOMB of sorrow into the camp of the enemy

If anyone wants to destroy Tinubu,you'll had better come up with a heart-breaking scandal involving him,which can send him to jail and not this pepper-soup joint tale from an embittered man who lost out in the power game

maestroferddi: You are really hilarious.

Those that understand the power game know that Tinubu's love for fifthy lucre is unparalleled. They make the sop readily available.

Forget all the noise. The man is solely interested in safeguarding his economic interests.

I am sure he would have since negotiated himself a soft landing while some hapless foot soldiers are still barking away.

Doesn't Ribadu's defection to PDP tell you something?

maestroferddi: You will wait till infinity for substantiation.

A former key leader of the party has spilled some beans. Let your people take him up.

Some selective amnesia you seem to be displaying in pretending not to be aware of what is otherwise well known in the public domain.


Buhari, in deference to him, has built political capital principally on his force of personality and charisma.


He did become an influential leader by corralling the economic resources of the north to himself.

i won't do regional analysis too. Every government school/hospital benefited from the ptf.

ok buhari is the only old guard in the APC and the pdp host the rest.

well that is relative depending on where you stand.

i celebrate the structures they offer, i think i have spoken enough about core Apc members, in fact i am more cpc than acn.

the pictures didn't lie, they were from the north, come 2015 we would be adding a lot more from the south. Thanks to defecting PDP structures and acn strength.

Obiagelli:
Democrats do business with Republican every day, so what are you talking about?
Was tinubu supposed to vote Ribadu into aso rock alone? You guys rejected him at the polls, stop pushing blames.

soroptimist:

When did the Beans or Green Peas that Tom Ikimi allegedly spillt become a criminal offence......To be a power player and fixer

Dont Jonathan also anoint,foist or force people on the party? Have we not seen it play out all over ? But because Tinubu is a marked man for your ilk whatever he does is an abomination

GET IT INTO YOUR SYSTEM>>>>>>>Saint dont play politics!!! There are intrigues and a combination of trade offs involved and if Tinubu hitherto has mastered his own end of the game to the extent that he has continually remained relevant up till now,whoever that is not okay with his style should go and form a party if eventually you will not later be accused of being high-handed

Buhari as good and popular as he is,have had to learn with every passing electoral defeat the almighty place of MONEY in today's politicking hence the need to forge an alliance with a 'devil'

When a politician dont have the means to mobilise your men and resources for elections in Nigeria which is akin to going to war...............you will live to tell the bitter tale of being outrigged and outmanoveured

Those of us who loved GMB genuinely and have never met or hope to meet him and support him do so for the love of fatherland but i was privy to how the presidential election were rigged in favour of PDP owing to the fact that CPC doesn't have an agent in that polling booth and several other ones

Buhari's popularity alone can never win him an election unless he partners with those who have the means to help him match PDP pound-for-pound in the mobilisation of men and resources, a process which only MONEY can solve.....while Buhari can continue to leverage on his avowed puritanism,he should also master the street sense of using the undesirable elements to achieve his goals

As much as we all would want to sympathise with Tom Ikimi over his predicament....he should go and sit down

maestroferddi: Which kind of business does the two major parties in the US do?

Selling out to the opposition? I beg to disagree.

Issue-based politics succeed or fail together.

BTW Ribadu jumped ship when he reckoned that his chances of making serious progress in Nigerian politics did not lie in APC whose chances of dislodging the PDP is highly infinitesimal.