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[help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by stanliwise(m): 6:35am On Sep 02, 2014
My fellow Nairalander,

I need you to expansiate these degree of a thing. And especially about the discrimination between B.Sc(ED) and B.Sc.

I need concrete info on these because I just got admission into the university of Benin and I was offered Computer Science and Education; And I saw BSCEDCO COMPUTER which means B.SC and EDU

But a guy told me I would only work as a teacher and only be lucky to be employed in a company. But if this is true, then this is not what I bargain for, I was only hoping to have a science and an education degree because I would like to teach may be in my 40's. I also noticed i would be in the educational faculty but that does not bother me but I think it should be a Sciene and Education rather.

My question is this:
I. Is a B.ED thesame as a B.Sc(Ed) as far as Nigeria is concerned.

II. Is a B.Sc more advantagious than a B.Sc(ED) in nigeria

III. Is a B.Sc(ED) actually a science and Educational faculty?
And would my subject be a combination of science and Education?

I need a good (practical life) and professional answer because it will not only educate me but it would actually help other in a situation like this and even for the sake of Posterity(future generation).
Thanks in Advance.

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by dejt4u(m): 7:15am On Sep 02, 2014
stanliwise: My question is this:
I. Is a B.ED thesame as a B.Sc(Ed) as far as Nigeria is concerned.
NO.


stanliwise: II. Is a B.Sc more advantagious than a B.Sc(ED) in nigeria
NO.. its the other way round!

stanliwise: III. Is a B.Sc(ED) actually a science and Educational faculty?
And would my subject be a combination of science and Education?
YES




the advantage of a combined honour is that you will be allowed to pursue carriers in the education field and also in that science field.
If u finish ur 1st degree, you may decide to further ur studies at masters level in computer science if you want.. Also, you can continue ur degree in education..

I study education physics (Bsc.Ed physics)

Modified (October, 2019)..
I'm currently on my masters degree in Physics, University of Ibadan

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by stanliwise(m): 7:17am On Sep 02, 2014
Thanks dejt4u for the info.

If anyone has a real life experince you can feel free to share.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Wisepac: 8:23am On Sep 02, 2014
i was also offered admission dis year into tai solarin university of education to study bsc. Ed in computer science. I also need to know whether i can work in a coy and also teaches too. I dnt knw why naija lyks discriminating
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by PapaNnamdi: 8:47am On Sep 02, 2014
if d degre like make e be BSC.ed.eng.B.a
if u nor get connection,
u r on a looooooooooong thing

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Nobody: 9:17am On Sep 02, 2014
dejt4u:
NO.



NO.. its the other way round!


YES




the advantage of a combined honour is that you will be allowed to pursue carriers in the education field and also in that science field.
If u finish ur 1st degree, you may decide to further ur studies at masters level in computer science if you want.. Also, you can continue ur degree in education..

I study education physics (Bsc.Ed physics)
But many nigerians misinterpret this that B.sc Edu holders are only confined to teaching alone and they can't get any other job.

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by stanliwise(m): 9:32am On Sep 02, 2014
Afghanistan:
But many nigerians misinterpret this that B.sc Edu holders are only confined to teaching alone and they can't get any other job.
I guess it is so because many people do not know that there is a certificate called B.ED(offered mainly by NCE) which is meant for teachers only and B.Sc(ED) is more tedious and lucrative in a country like malaysia(according to Wikipedia)

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by dejt4u(m): 9:55am On Sep 02, 2014
Afghanistan:
But many nigerians misinterpret this that B.sc Edu holders are only confined to teaching alone and they can't get any other job.
that is due to lack of proper orientation
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by KillerBeauty(f): 1:18pm On Sep 02, 2014
The differences between B.sc and B.sc(ed) is the education aspect. Most of ur courses in sch will be from computer science dept u will only take two or three courses per semester in education dept. U will also go 4 ur teaching practice in a secondary sch in ur year 3 and 4. So at d end of the day u will b able to teach computer sci in a second sch level. Ur final year project will also b from educatn dept not computer sci.

After graduation u can decide to take a career in edu or science. Havin connection will help u a lot. This is Nigeria. Also graduate with a good result. It also helps in the labour market

Success in all u do

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by stanliwise(m): 9:30pm On Sep 02, 2014
PapaNnamdi: if d degre like make e be BSC.ed.eng.B.a
if u nor get connection,
u r on a looooooooooong thing
Connection of a thing is killing Nigeria slowly

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Nobody: 9:58pm On Nov 27, 2015
KillerBeauty:
The differences between B.sc and B.sc(ed) is the education aspect. Most of ur courses in sch will be from computer science dept u will only take two or three courses per semester in education dept. U will also go 4 ur teaching practice in a secondary sch in ur year 3 and 4. So at d end of the day u will b able to teach computer sci in a second sch level. Ur final year project will also b from educatn dept not computer sci.

After graduation u can decide to take a career in edu or science. Havin connection will help u a lot. This is Nigeria. Also graduate with a good result. It also helps in the labour market

Success in all u do
planning to be a lecturer. Will it be possible if i attain this degrees with a good c.g.p.a. B.A (ED) Religious studies, MA (ED) Religious Studies. Pls Your reply is needed a.s.a.p. Thanks
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by stanliwise(m): 11:05am On Dec 04, 2015
SaintHephzibah:
planning to be a lecturer. Will it be possible if i attain this degrees with a good c.g.p.a. B.A (ED) Religious studies, MA (ED) Religious Studies. Pls Your reply is needed a.s.a.p. Thanks
of course, or what did you find wrong in it?
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Nobody: 12:30pm On Dec 04, 2015
stanliwise:

of course, or what did you find wrong in it?
cos i might graduate with a good result but the course i graduate frm could have been marginalized and also this connection of a stuff matters now a lot in nigeria
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by stanliwise(m): 12:53am On Dec 13, 2015
SaintHephzibah:
cos i might graduate with a good result but the course i graduate frm could have been marginalized and also this connection of a stuff matters now a lot in nigeria
And if it was, what would you do.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Nobody: 8:28am On Dec 13, 2015
stanliwise:
And if it was, what would you do.
sue them to court
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by stanliwise(m): 5:14pm On Dec 14, 2015
SaintHephzibah:
sue them to court
If your faith do not carry a thing and you go on doing it, you will be lucky to come out of it without regret.

Meet a senior colleague that has an achievements like the one you are aiming for and ask your question, make sure he give you genius answer.

you need the right mindset to go places in life
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Nobody: 12:27pm On Jan 03, 2016
stanliwise:

If your faith do not carry a thing and you go on doing it, you will be lucky to come out of it without regret.

Meet a senior colleague that has an achievements like the one you are aiming for and ask your question, make sure he give you genius answer.

you need the right mindset to go places in life

and how am i supposed to locate them? Youre right though. Having the right innovative mindset and ideology driven folks are a perfect combination to succeed. But at times you cant even fine the right friend to sharpen your countenance or edify your career ambitions
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by levisco16(m): 2:44pm On Mar 21, 2017
dejt4u:

NO.



NO.. its the other way round!


YES




the advantage of a combined honour is that you will be allowed to pursue carriers in the education field and also in that science field.
If u finish ur 1st degree, you may decide to further ur studies at masters level in computer science if you want.. Also, you can continue ur degree in education..

I study education physics (Bsc.Ed physics)

please i want to go for you exact course but where will i get to work after school
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 8:44am On Mar 22, 2017
dejt4u:

NO.



NO.. its the other way round!


YES




the advantage of a combined honour is that you will be allowed to pursue carriers in the education field and also in that science field.
If u finish ur 1st degree, you may decide to further ur studies at masters level in computer science if you want.. Also, you can continue ur degree in education..

I study education physics (Bsc.Ed physics)
be deceiving yourself shior
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 9:24am On Mar 22, 2017
Let's clear the air on this.

IN NIGERIA,
Bsc(Ed), BA(Ed) is in fact an education degree. It's just taking a major subject in a specified faculty and specializing on training teachers on that subject,for them to teach at the secondary school level.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by magnificient7: 9:44am On Mar 22, 2017
As a Bsc(ed), you are trained majorly for teaching or lecturing and not for industry. Instead of IT, you do teaching practice, and your project is in Education and not even in your other major course.

IMO, In Nigeria, its better to have Bsc than Bsc(ed) especially if you want to have a great chance of working in the industry.

in summary, its easier for one with BSc to become a lecturer than Bsc(ed) to work in industry.

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Livebygrace: 6:13pm On Mar 22, 2017
darkhorizon:

be deceiving yourself shior

U're the one deceiving urslf. Someone with B.Sc. (Ed.) Is at an advantage over the one with only B. Sc. as the former can opt for M. Ed. or M.Sc. if so desired. Though the former also can be preferred in education environment. So, don't discourage others. Intact, there are many B.Sc. Ed holders in industries who entered through graduate trainees program.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 7:38pm On Mar 22, 2017
Livebygrace:


U're the one deceiving urslf. Someone with B.Sc. (Ed.) Is at an advantage over the one with only B. Sc. as the former can opt for M. Ed. or M.Sc. if so desired. Though the former also can be preferred in education environment. So, don't discourage others. Intact, there are many B.Sc. Ed holders in industries who entered through graduate trainees program.
Stop lying,tell the truth,and stop writing stuffs just to make yourself feel better.
In Physics Education for example,the kind of courses they offer are tailored at being taught in the secondary school level,they don't do cutting edge courses in Physics that has to do with research.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Livebygrace: 7:54pm On Mar 22, 2017
darkhorizon:

Stop lying,tell the truth,and stop writing stuffs just to make yourself feel better.
In Physics Education for example,the kind of courses they offer are tailored at being taught in the secondary school level,they don't do cutting edge courses in Physics that has to do with research.

Indeed, u're misinformed. I studied Maths Edu (B.Sc. Ed.) in my first degree b4 I decided to go for M.Sc. Maths in UI for that matter. U're just ignorantly been deceitful here. I would want you to deliver yourself from lies b4 u conclude on fallacy. Go and ask, many guys are industries through graduate trainee with their BSc. Ed. Anyway, if you have chosen to continue this way, I won't bother to reply u again. To others who have B. Sc. Ed., don't allow this kind of being to derail you on ur career path. As a B.Sc. Ed. Holder, u can further ur MSc on either the core or the education. I am sure UI, Unilag, Uniben, UNN and ABU will take you if u pass their interbiews. I am living witness.

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 8:12pm On Mar 22, 2017
Livebygrace:


Indeed, u're misinformed. I studied Maths Edu (B.Sc. Ed.) in my first degree b4 I decided to go for M.Sc. Maths in UI for that matter. U're just ignorantly been deceitful here. I would want you to deliver yourself from lies b4 u conclude on fallacy. Go and ask, many guys are industries through graduate trainee with their BSc. Ed. Anyway, if you have chosen to continue this way, I won't bother to reply u again. To others who have B. Sc. Ed., don't allow this kind of being to derail you on ur career path. As a B.Sc. Ed. Holder, u can further ur MSc on either the core or the education. I am sure UI, Unilag, Uniben, UNN and ABU will take you if u pass their interbiews. I am living witness.
anything that pleases you,na you know.
Make yourself happy. I speak of reality(bitter truth).
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Livebygrace: 8:26pm On Mar 22, 2017
darkhorizon:

anything that pleases you,na you know.
Make yourself happy. I speak of reality(bitter truth).
Just imagine itself. How do u sound to yourself when u read what u're posting here? Fulfilled or self-deceitful? U speak reality without fact or practicality? I'm just trying not to give more details than what I have done earlier until u provide the basis for your so-called reality. I used myself as an example and u're saying otherwise. Abeg, stop being befuddled by your hatred for those who studied BSc. Edu. and go elsewhere to exude your pseudo-reality.

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 8:55pm On Mar 22, 2017
Livebygrace:

Just imagine itself. How do u sound to yourself when u read what u're posting here? Fulfilled or self-deceitful? U speak reality without fact or practicality? I'm just trying not to give more details than what I have done earlier until u provide the basis for your so-called reality. I used myself as an example and u're saying otherwise. Abeg, stop being befuddled by your hatred for those who studied BSc. Edu. and go elsewhere to exude your pseudo-reality.

Who in his right senses says a person who did half of the courses in a department is equal and better than someone who did everything thing in that department.
It beats normal logic.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Livebygrace: 9:18pm On Mar 22, 2017
darkhorizon:


Who in his right senses says a person who did half of the courses in a department is equal and better than someone who did everything thing in that department.
It beats normal logic.

Two things are affecting you: 1) the curriculum of the SCHL u graduated from 2)Continuous self deceit.
By the way, where did u graduate from that students of Science/Education only offer half of science courses? Which university is that? In some schls science education students offer all science courses with education courses, and in some others students offer most courses from science Dept's with education courses. And if there is any science course they won't offer, that will be elective in 400L which may not be more than one or two. It is evident that u're not from any of the universities I mentioned earlier because that would have purged u of ur ignorance. Kindly help by letting me know ur university where science education students offer only half of science courses. At least, I did my BSc. Ed in UNN and I did enough Maths and stats courses sufficient enough to earn me MSc. Maths admission in UI and I just finished my course work exam two weeks ago. So, I need to knw the name of where u graduated from b4 I continue with u.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 9:33pm On Mar 22, 2017
Livebygrace:


Two things are affecting you: 1) the curriculum of the SCHL u graduated from 2)Continuous self deceit.
By the way, where did u graduate from that students of Science/Education only offer half of science courses? Which university is that? In some schls science education students offer all science courses with education courses, and in some others students offer most courses from science Dept's with education courses. And if there is any science course they won't offer, that will be elective in 400L which may not be more than one or two. It is evident that u're not from any of the universities I mentioned earlier because that would have purged u of ur ignorance. Kindly help by letting me know ur university where science education students offer only half of science courses. At least, I did my BSc. Ed in UNN and I did enough Maths and stats courses sufficient enough to earn me MSc. Maths admission in UI and I just finished my course work exam two weeks ago. So, I need to knw the name of where u graduated from b4 I continue with u.

Here you go again,in a session,there is a maximum number of credits allowed to be registered.
And most departments nearly exhaust the maximum credit.
Now,tell me how someone will take enough education courses and also enough science courses without exhausting the maximum allowed credit. And both the Bsc. student and the Bsc.(Ed) students have the same 4 years to finish up their coursework.

Reason,common sense is free. And by the way as per my university,its Unilorin.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by Livebygrace: 9:50pm On Mar 22, 2017
darkhorizon:


Here you go again,in a session,there is a maximum number of credits allowed to be registered.
And most departments nearly exhaust the maximum credit.
Now,tell me how someone will take enough education courses and also enough science courses without exhausting the maximum allowed credit. And both the Bsc. student and the Bsc.(Ed) students have the same 4 years to finish up their coursework.

Reason,common sense is free. And by the way as per my university,its Unilorin.

Good! U mean Ilorin only allows science education students to offer just half of science courses? That simply means those guys will only stop at attending lectures at the end of 200L in science Dept's, and u claim common sense is free? How on earth will a university issue a B.Sc. Ed. Cert to someone who is not well groomed? Anyway, I will advise u go back to your university and seek help from your lecturers. I am sure they will offer free deliverance for you from your ignorance. I am telling u what I studied and what is obtainable with it but u are here arguing blindly just because u're too proud to learn. Maybe when u go for ur second degree and u see people in ur class who are graduates of science education, the scales on ur eyes will fall then. But till then, I leave u to your ignorance to have free ride on you. At this juncture, I rest my pen.

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Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 9:57pm On Mar 22, 2017
Livebygrace:


Good! U mean Ilorin only allows science education students to offer just half of science courses? That simply means those guys will only stop at attending lectures at the end of 200L in science Dept's, and u claim common sense is free? How on earth will a university issue a B.Sc. Ed. Cert to someone who is not well groomed? Anyway, I will advise u go back to your university and seek help from your lecturers. I am sure they will offer free deliverance for you from your ignorance. I am telling u what I studied and what is obtainable with it but u are here arguing blindly just because u're too proud to learn. Maybe when u go for ur second degree and u see people in ur class who are graduates of science education, the scales on ur eyes will fall then. But till then, I leave u to your ignorance to have free ride on you. At this juncture, I rest my pen.
.

You still haven't provided an answer to my question.
How will a Bsc(Ed). finish the coursework of his Bsc. counterparts without exceeding the maximum units provided by the school,given that both of them have the same 4 years to complete their coursework.
Re: [help] B.Sc, B.Sc(ED) And B.ED certificate discrimination in Nigeria by darkhorizon: 10:43pm On Mar 22, 2017
@Livebygrace

Finally let me layout the structure of Bsc. and Bsc(Ed) in my discipline(Physics) for my university.
100 level: Bsc(Ed) and Bsc students offer the same core courses in Physics/ Math,infact we did all the math courses of 100 level.
Total number of physics courses done:6 for both Bsc and Bsc(Ed) students

200 level:Bsc(Ed) and Bsc students offer the same core courses,only that electives were chosen from faculty of education for Bsc(Ed) students,and electives from faculty of physical sciences for Bsc students.
Total number of physics courses done:7 for both Bsc and Bsc(Ed) students

300 level(The difference begin here): Bsc students offer all core physics courses,which is 12 in total and also 3 required courses from math( completing the maximum allowed credit of 48). While Bsc(Ed) students offer just 6 out of the twelve completing their credits in courses of the faculty of education.
Total number of physics courses done:12 for Bsc students and 6 for Bsc(Ed) students

400 level: Out of 35 physics courses to chose from,Bsc students are required to select a minimum of 14 courses for the session. While only 11 of the 35 courses is available to Bsc(Ed) students to choose from.
And they are allowed to choose between 5 and 6 completing their remaining credit at the faculty of Education.
Total number of physics courses done:14-16 for both Bsc students 5-6 for Bsc(Ed) students.



So from this analysis,you can see that we didn't do the same number of physics courses throughout our stay in the university. And mind you,i can confidently say that I did 50-60% of Bsc Math entire coursework but still I can't outrightly say I am equal and superior to Bsc Math students/graduates. Bsc Math students only did 4 Physics courses in 100 level and that's all.

And moreover Project topics in Bsc and Bsc(Ed) is a clear indication that they are not the same.

In Bsc Physics for example,your project might have you researching on latest cutting edge technologies,fabricating stuffs,or do a pure mathematical analysis of a physical system.

While in Bsc(Ed) Physics your project might have you researching on how to improve the standard of teaching Physics at the secondary school level, or taking about how the teaching of specific areas of Physics will benefit the society at large. And so on.

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