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Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Thomsbuky(m): 4:18pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
macof: what make you think he is foreigner. Its because of the photoshop poster picture on his cover? ....However, what he wrote make sense by analysing our tribe, ethnic group and those big tribe seeking to breakaway from Nigeria. its a lot complex and complication, especially we been bind together for many years. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by MrCork: 4:42pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
...wooow...u people herd about Scotland ther in Nigeria??.....Nigeria muss really be advancing...seriously! 3 Likes |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 4:43pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
50calibre: I think the Tories underestimated the Scots because they pretty much understood what they wanted from the get-go - more devolution of power, for Scotland to have absolute control over its destiny from Westminster and North sea oil revenue - not total separation from the union. They also believed Scotland won't just give up on all the subsidies and extra perks it gets on London. And if anything, Scotland is more of Labour and Lib Dem fight, who have a lot to lose - than the Tories. Hence they gave them two options: YES or NO - without any option to vote for devolution of powers. However, once that backfired, and when they say the momentum shift towards "YES" with tons of Scottish academics coming out to support it, they had to throw in a bargain, based on what the majority actually wanted, veiled with discreet threats - to get them back in line. It became a vote between: vote "YES" and lose everything from London, and also watch your financial centre and the 2nd largest in the UK, with a GDP only second to London, Edinburgh, go down - or vote "NO" and get a good bargain of about 80-90% of everything you want with independence. That was what it came down to. Coupled with the fact that Alex Salmond didn't really convince anyone about his plans - apart from focusing on Scottish nationalism and North Sea oil. A Tony Blair (one of the most gifted, eloquent, and charismatic British speakers/leaders ever IMO - used to be my hero growing up before the Iraq war), if he were a proper Scot - would've done a better job. Anyway, with the proposed devolution of powers - Labour will lose in England - but gain more in the UK as a whole. Right now, the country is moving towards only English MPs for votes about English issues. And England is overwhelmingly Tory - Labour will forever be a minority down South. Definitely not something to be happy about for the Liberals in England. It's a win for the Tories. 1 Like |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 4:48pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Alex Salmond is to stand down and rightly so. I think he has done great People must recognise that 45% of Scotland voted for independence! Alex represented this 45% and people must recognise this. It is right for him to stand down. Let someone else lead Scotland towards more devolution within United Kingdom. Alex Salmond has done his bit and should hold his head up high as he bows out! 1 Like |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 5:09pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
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Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Koolking(m): 5:11pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
bushdoc9919: I gerrit bro. Succinctly, you can never compete meaningfully or ensure everything you need to survive lines up while under a master. Until you break free from the control of your master, you can never realise your ultimate potentials and self worth. Scotland and UK (as a union) are moving in a circle, they will soon come back to the same starting point, but it be with a very high price. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 5:12pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 5:14pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Volksfuhrer(m): 5:30pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
bushdoc9919: ... Your analysis is elegant, straight to the point, and well informed. Thanks. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by abes(m): 5:44pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
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Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by 50calibre(m): 6:48pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
shymexx: Well all in all, both sides played their cards wisely, and the better side one. I think Tony Blair staying out of the campaign was a good idea, his credibility is almost dead so it most likely could have backfired on the Yes team. As for the new devolution of powers, I'm still not sure what effect it will have in the general election. The Tories may possess full control of English policies, but I doubt it will make any difference in a general election and besides i don't expect something radical, Decisions on whatever English issues there might be, wont differ much from what's going on in other parts of the UK. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Fourwinds: 7:32pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
their unity is better. goodluck wise people |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Octaves(m): 7:45pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Contrary to your opinion they voted no because of other reasons than looting. Let's hail our great united Nigeria where looting is 'impossible'and everybody is happy godwinkessi: That's why I love reasonable countries. Some people just want independence so they can start looting. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by pedro08: 7:51pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Well salmond tried his best to open d eyes of d pipo of scotland.why will d scottish allow themselves to b ruled 4rm westminster.more powers being devolved to scotland is neva d solution.if d english closed down their companies in scotland,I tink with time they will still hav a stable economy.they hav been dat path b4.BTW d queen 4 get heart attack if scotland vote 4 independence. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by holyfather(m): 8:19pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
RockMaxi: Like I said earlier Media coercion at work.azin eh... u need to see where Cameron was preaching and "threatening". coercion at its best! 1 Like |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 8:22pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
50calibre: I wasn't alluding to Tony Blair joining Alex Salmond - Blair is a quintessential Brit and a unionist based on his background. His biological dad was English, but he was born and raised in Scotland. Though he's English, he's more of a Scot based on how he was raised, and he engineered everything that gave more powers to holyrood during his tenure, for this independence vote to even be able to take place. I was just citing if they had someone who has the supreme qualities for rallying people together like Tony Blair. Alex Salmond looks too goofy, rigid, and uncharismatic. Heck, David Cameron copied Tony Blair's blueprint - that was how great Blair used to be. Anyway, let's just see how England will be governed by the Tories once the devolution comes into effect. I don't trust the Tories. The legacy of Lady Thatcher is still hanging over them. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by 50calibre(m): 9:12pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
shymexx: Oohh! I see my mistake, I meant the No campaign. I was saying it was a good thing he wasn't part of the people fronting the No campaign as it could have backfired. Tony Blair is great, however a fallen great with a tarnished reputation. Nobody wants to listen to Tony Blair anymore, the other day Boris Johnson call him insane. A man who could have easily been one of the most respected voices not just in the UK, but globally instead gets heckled & called names while speaking in public. Alex Sammond is a typical scot in my opinion, I've not known a typical scot to be charismatic or charming. They're usually rigid, emotionless & humourless. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 9:23pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
50calibre: Tony Blair did self-destruct with that Iraq war with the yanks. That man changed British politics forever and there will never be anyone like him. He gave the minorities and disadvantaged folks a lot - and multi-cultural UK is Tony Blair. Lmao @ Scots being rigid, emotionless, and humourless. It must be the terrible weather lol. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by millionaireman: 9:30pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Raiders: I hope those people that want to divide Nigeria for their selfish reasons to learn from the Scotland people.And only SELFISH REASONS make you want to have Nigeria since divided along regional lines and wrecked by violence to remain one country. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by zendy: 9:37pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
01emek: and who care about the Gadam oil money?? Abia state have oil, Imo state have oil, Enugu state have coal in large quantity! Amanbra state is industrious and Ebonyin state are rich in farming. Is that not enough?? The entire 5 Igbo states has oil,even Delta-Igboland and Rivers Igbos. Anambra is an oil producing state along with Imo and Abia. Oil is not the problem of the Igbos. 2 Likes |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by 50calibre(m): 9:38pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
shymexx: Sure thing, posterity will decide his place in history, in the meantime I think he needs to disappear from public eye like his friend Bush. Let him enjoy the millions he's made in peace. Loool have you ever seen a proper scot who isn't rigid? Tell me one. Those guys are probably the most disciplined folks in the UK, they dont tolerate shi*t. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by millionaireman: 9:42pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Raiders: I hope those people that want to divide Nigeria for their selfish reasons to learn from the Scotland people.And only SELFISH REASONS make you want to have Nigeria since divided along regional lines and wrecked by violence to remain one country. To see how Nigerians see one Nigeria, when shall we have a type of referendum like the UK allowed for its people? Or for the sake of SELFISH PEOPLE LIKE YOU, must we all stick to one Nigeria even as it is now, every group in Nigeria is being dragged to the stone age by terrorists, and people in Nigeria being progressively dehumanized as is going on? |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Missy89(f): 9:42pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
The skirt wearing smucks got browbeaten into rejecting self rule. BBC was very effective They are scared about their pensions and the unconvincing answer by Salmond over on the currency issue. Time to start rounding up the traitors starting from Salmond and his cronies 2 Likes |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by 01emek(m): 9:55pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
zendy:But should the Dalta igbo be considered and welcomed in the larger igbo community? I thought they said they are not part of us? |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by englishmart(m): 9:56pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
ProBlack03:ya 1 Like |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by englishmart(m): 9:57pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
SpencerLewis: 1 Like |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by englishmart(m): 9:59pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
OlaoChi:just shut up and stop killing my darling English 1 Like |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by millionaireman: 10:00pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
mikeansy: Victory for democracyYes or No win in Scotland, humanity won in the vote. Westminister, Nigeria's equivalent of Aso Rock political class has promised more devolution of powers, more concession of political/economic powers to the Scots. So Nigeria's political class must have no choice now other than devolving powers to Nigeria's regions clamouring for decentralization of powers from Abuja to the regions, in order to let One Nigeria remain. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by Nobody: 10:20pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
50calibre: Well, he made his money and he's a life MENA ambassador for peace now. But I don't think the Afro-Caribbean community will ever forget him. He did his thing despite his imperfections, but when he came on the scene, he swept everyone away like a hurricane. That was the great Tony Blair - the one who stood up to the Queen - before Dubya and the warmongering yanks turned him out. Definitely top-5 greatest British PMs ever. I just know them to be tight fisted, that's about it lol. Probably aggressive and belligerent like Sir Alex. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by 50calibre(m): 10:35pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
shymexx: He & his wife were kind of rebels, one of the reasons I liked him in the first place, he took away many of the luxurious privileges the royals used to enjoy. I'm am anti-monarchy, so I like anyone who stands up to the queen. The queen is not a fan of his, she doesn't hide that. |
Re: Scotland Scottish Referendum: Voters To Reject Independence - BBC by pazienza(m): 11:00pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Have to point somethings out here. 1. Biafra didn't fail to secede because of the North food, as Biafra was and is well capable of feeding her citizens if left alone. Biafra failed because Britain,a super power willed it. 2. With or without the Eastern minorities, Biafra is not landlocked,as Igboland is not in anyway, landlocked. 3. Biafra and Igboland is not synonymous with SE,as we have many proud Igbo groups with no iota of identity crisis in Rivers( Ndoki,Asa and Egbema),Delta( Aniocha, Oshimili),Akwa ibom( Ndoki) and Benue ( Ezza/Izzi)states. 4. Biafra doesn't need any group in Nigeria to survive,any more than it needs closer ethnic groups in Cameroun or other members of human race in Africa and world over. We mustn't be chained in the same country to interact with them. 2 Likes |
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