Good afternoon all.
Lately, I became a bit curious about the issue of tithe in the dispensation of GRACE.
I understand grace doesn't give the license to continue practising sin.
I know many Christians have some issues with tithe. I'm currently a tithe, but I find it rather strange that neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor Apostle Paul emphasised tither in the New Testament.
Whence cometh the idea of tithe?
I want to know. I have no plans to discontinue tithing, but in this age and time, wemust serve God with uunderstanding.
Awaiting your lovely inputs.
God bless us all.

#singing
If you are new in the game ,make you go pay your tithe.

#singing
If you are old in the game ,you no go pay your tithe.

I think NL should restrict the use of the quote button. Na u first comment you still dey quote am, haba
OP carry your money chop joor, if you insist though, you can give it to Charity (my lil sis)

dein77: Good afternoon all.
Lately, I became a bit curious about the issue of tithe in the dispensation of GRACE.
I understand grace doesn't give the license to continue practising sin.
I know many Christians have some issues with tithe. I'm currently a tithe, but I find it rather strange that neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor Apostle Paul emphasised tither in the New Testament.
Whence cometh the idea of tithe?
I want to know. I have no plans to discontinue tithing, but in this age and time, wemust serve God with uunderstanding.
Awaiting your lovely inputs.
God bless us all.

OP,

I have quite a lot that I can say to you on the above subject but I want to know if you will be willing to enter a discussion on it. I don't do hit and run discusses.

Also, I do not tithe and rather than try to convince to do as I do, I will rather want to bring you to some understanding on grace.

Are you willing to enter this discuss?

BlackStallion: I think NL should restrict the use of the quote button. Na u first comment you still dey quote am, haba
OP carry your money chop joor, if you insist though, you can give it to Charity (my lil sis)

Your mind don cool now abi ?

TheIndustrialist:
Your mind don cool now abi ?

Hahahahaha!! Guy lemmie alone oo, before I call the MoG
Lyk say my mind bin dey hot b4

WinsomeX:

OP,

I have quite a lot that I can say to you on the above subject but I want to know if you will be willing to enter a discussion on it. I don't do hit and run discusses.

Also, I do not tithe and rather than try to convince to do as I do, I will rather want to bring you to some understanding on grace.

Are you willing to enter this discuss?

Trust me; I'm willing. Go on, please.

BlackStallion:
Hahahahaha!! Guy lemmie alone oo, before I call the MoG
Lyk say my mind bin dey hot b4

See your long tie like seat belt...lols.

Oga sire,abeg no call the doggy MoGs oh.

dein77:
Trust me; I'm willing. Go on, please.

Thank you.

Let me say upfront that the questions or requests are not meant to be leading but to birth understanding. Also, there is no question I ask you I do not have an answer for. If I feel your answers are not adequate enough, I will give my answers and then we will compare notes. OK?

Your OP reflects someone with some grasp of the gospel of grace. You tithe but you are beginning to question whether tithe and the grace doctrine are compatible according to scriptures. If this reflects your thought pattern, please share with me/us what you understand by grace or the whole gospel of grace the NT teaches. If it doesn't reflect your thoughts, correct my perception and go ahead and still give an explanation to my request on your understanding on grace.

Please, lets ensure the discuss proceeds through today bc I cannot assure you of my availability tomorrow.

WinsomeX:

Thank you.

Let me say upfront that the questions or requests are not meant to be leading but to birth understanding. Also, there is no question I ask you I do not have an answer for. If I feel your answers are not adequate enough, I will give my answers and then we will compare notes. OK?

Your OP reflects someone with some grasp of the gospel of grace. You tithe but you are beginning to question whether tithe and the grace doctrine are compatible according to scriptures. If this reflects your thought pattern, please share with me/us what you understand by grace or the whole gospel of grace the NT teaches. If it doesn't reflect your thoughts, correct my perception and go ahead and still give an explanation to my request on your understanding on grace.

Please, lets ensure the discuss proceeds through today bc I cannot assure you of my availability tomorrow.

Grace or the entire Gospel can't be rendered thorough justice in an online forum as this. The entire Gospel is about a Person, Jesus Christ.
I have recently disillusioned a little with with the issue especially with the attention granted it. The tithe was instituted in the LAW era. God had chosen the Levites for Himself, and asked the other eleven tribes to give a tenth of their profits to the Levites.
My case is I found it somehow strange that Christ never actually directly or indirectly spoke about the topic.

dein77:

Grace or the entire Gospel can't be rendered thorough justice in an online forum as this. The entire Gospel is about a Person, Jesus Christ.
I have recently disillusioned a little with with the issue especially with the attention granted it. The tithe was instituted in the LAW era. God had chosen the Levites for Himself, and asked the other eleven tribes to give a tenth of their profits to the Levites.
My case is I found it somehow strange that Christ never actually directly or indirectly spoke about the topic.

Your answer is in your last paragraph. Forbear with me as I prepare a text on how grace came with Jesus Christ and ended all devotion to the law, including that of tithing. Following that presentation, I request you ask me all the questions you want on the matter of tithing.

Again, the very fact that tithe was hardly mentioned in the lives of Christ and his apostles is a leading reason why no one should tithe today

Stay tuned. ..

TheIndustrialist:
See your long tie like seat belt...lols.
Oga sire,abeg no call the doggy MoGs oh.

yee, dis guy don finish person papa! chai!!
My son must not see dis insult oo, make e no go tie rope.

JESUS, TITHE AND GRACE

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

It is actually erroneous to limit tithing to the era of Moses and Christ alone. Apparently, the tithe predates Moses with Abram tithing in Genesis 14. We also see Jacob promising to tithe in Genesis 28. However by the time of Moses, the tithe became law in Leviticus 27:30-33; and other supporting scriptures like Numbers 18, Deuteronomy 14 and 26 and finally Malachi 3. Jesus mentions tithing in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 8:42. The tithe was no longer mentioned again until Hebrew 7, for reason I hope to mention later.

The above scripture speaks of the law given through Moses but grace coming through Jesus. It showed to us that God in his wisdom has permitted two dispensation in his dealings with humanity. The first under Moses, the old covenant; the second under Christ, the new. Both of them have a few similarities but their distinctions are clear to all. The law, Paul said, was a school master to prepare us for the time of grace. So like it is for children going to school, the law dictated what and what we should do. Grace, under the other hand, permitted an infilling of the Spirit to direct the Christian. So rather than following prescribed laws, the Christians is led of the Spirit, following laws in his heart.

The giving of the Spirit is an aspect of grace. But grace itself is God doing it all and men coming into a done work. If any man will do anything in grace, it will not be to aid God or make him do things, but it will be in response to God's manifold grace.

The distinction BTW the old and the new was also a matter of contention in the NT. Therefore there were debates on circumcision, sabbath, new moon, Moses laws in general, etc. The overwhelming testimony of scripture was that Christians were not to keep Moses laws anymore. This is the reason there is no account of any Christian tithing in the NT.

But the devil never relents. His strategy from the beginning had been to confuse the old with the new convenants. In Christ time, the contention was sabbath. In Paul time the confusion was circumcision. In our time, it is tithing. So we have those who tell us that we should not tithe after Moses but after Abraham. They tell us that the NT reiterated Abraham's tithing by teaching it in Hebrew 7. But a careful study study of Hebrew 7 showed that tithing was not taught there as a Christian duty, but in a descriptive manner to enunciate the greatness of Christ priesthood. Christ priesthood was likened to Melchizedek's. The Hebrew knew only one priesthood, Aaron. But the writer wants his readers to know that Abraham tithing to Melchizedek and receiving a blessing from him, showed that Melchizedek was greater than Abraham and thus greater than Aaron, therefore Christ was greater than Aaron. So follow Christ.

In conclusion, no one is obligated to tithe today as clearly seen in the NT where no Christian tithed; rather people gave willingly. Tithing has been bastardized by a false church and turned to a means of making money.

I welcome your questions now.

An addition to my discuss

BabaGnoni: [size=20pt] Sunday Morning Stickup,
What Your Pastor Doesn't Want You To Know About Tithes[/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_E4uvFKPHk

In the video conversation above, this book was not received well by Bishop Jakes and the leadership in the church.

Based on the cover alone, David Lee was escorted and physically removed from the church at the Bishop’s request.

He claims that his book was considered so dangerous and so revealing, that it was seen to be a threat to those who are getting wealthy by running their churches.

David Lee says that the experience was humiliating for him, since he was taken out of the church in front of his two small children. He also says that he was stripped of his ministerial license at the church as well during a private meeting. He says that his kids were traumatized by what they saw happen to their father.

David Lee says that police told him that he could never come back to the church without the threat of being arrested. He asked the officers why he was being banned from the church and claims that the officer told him that he’d been lied to, and that the police were allegedly used by church leadership to get rid of him.

The discussion is interesting. You can hear the rest off the video itself:

Sunday Morning Stickup is how T.D. Jakes uses Prosperity Gospel to Rob Church Members and why David Lee was kicked out as one of Bishop T.D. Jakes' Elders for telling the truth

Served as a licensed Ordained Elder under the pastorate of Bishop T.D. Jakes for nearly 30 years and working under the umbrella of T.D. Jakes Ministries for nearly a decade, he led the Sunday school department as the Superintendent until the ministry relocated to its current location in Dallas Texas.

The first ministry class that led to the licensing of the first set of ministers ordained at the Potter’s House of Dallas Inc. was taught by David Lee.

Employed by T.D. Jakes Ministries Sales and Marketing Department, David Lee led more than 500 people who worked with the sale and distribution of products globally. There he demonstrated his business acumen as the National Sales Manager where he managed the sale and marketing of a multi-million dollar inventory at more than 9 major record-breaking conferences including Woman Thou Art Loosed, Man Power and the Pastors and Leaders Conferences as well as all of Bishop Jakes smaller personal engagements.

Many know Bishop T.D. Jakes as the internationally acclaimed preacher, author, teacher, and pastor of the megachurch The Potter’s House. While Jakes’ has many adoring followers, not everyone is a supporter. David Lee is one of those people.

Lee attended the Potter’s House and worked with Jakes for 20 years participating in many non-profit organizations and traveling the world evangelizing.

However, all of that changed when Lee published a book that pleas with readers to quit supporting the prosperity gospel doctrine preached by Jakes.

Lee says he wrote the book “out of obedience to a mandate from God on my life.” In it, he makes the assertion that tithing is no longer scriptural or ethical. He discusses how tithing in the Bible was about Israel’s economy, and that under Mosaic law, tithing was about helping the needy, not about giving money. He also points out that God wants His followers to be living sacrifices, not to give Him large sums of money.

Lee states in the book, “we are not in need of a revival in our churches; we are in desperate need of a funeral. The call goes out to bury many of the practices which have a purely business focus in our churches today.”

It has been revealed that Jakes charged ministers and elders of his church more than $1,000 to attend a two day conference he conducted. He also is known to charge amounts ranging from $55,000 to $100,000 to preach at inviting churches. While some may be okay with this, one has to wonder if it is the Christian thing to do to charge such large sums simply to share the message of Jesus.

The video is a book trailer for Lee’s book, Sunday Morning Stickup: What Your Pastor Doesn’t Want You To Know About Tithes. Watch it to find out what happened the day Lee and his family were escorted out of Bishop Jakes’ church in response to the book being published and for a preview of his revealing tell all book about the prosperity gospel Jakes’ preaches and why the doctrine helps Jakes essentially rob church members.

http://www.sundaymorningstickup.com/author.html
h t t p ://youtu.be/larithrRFOs (i.e. a 2 hour exclusive interview with David Lee, on The Revolution Radio Show)
http://blacklikemoi.com/2014/06/sunday-morning-stickup-book-trailer-exiled-church/

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
- John 10:10 KJV

Who is the thief? It is the hireling in John 10:12-13
- hireling (i.e. noun derogatory)
a person who works purely for material reward.

from:
www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/24

BlackStallion:
yee, dis guy don finish person papa! chai!!
My son must not see dis insult oo, make e no go tie rope.

You funny oh !
You don pay your tithe this week so ? or are you old in the game ?

TheIndustrialist:
You funny oh !
You don pay your tithe this week so ? or are you old in the game ?

Lol. Omo I don port join OP church oo, we nor dey pay tithe

BlackStallion:
Lol. Omo I don port join OP church oo, we nor dey pay tithe

I don port tey tey.

TheIndustrialist:
I don port tey tey.

May God have mercy on you oo
No be where pastor dey work e suppose chop?

BlackStallion:
May God have mercy on you oo
No be where pastor dey work e suppose chop?

You think being a pastor is by paper qualification and going to a bible college huh ?
Being a pastor is a gift by Christ's work not the bible college work. Eph_4:8-12.

I didn't make them pastors...tithes moreover were primarily for the Levites and secondarily for the poor,needy,orphan and widows...
If your pastor is a Levite,just let me know so that I can go give him my tithe.
The so called pentecostal tithers are all guilty of not paying the tithe of anything that passes under the rod,the tithe of the land etc. They are busy tithing money in hypocrisy with no clue of money being tithed in the bible(OT)
Many tithing Christians know only Malachi3:8-10 as the only verse in the bible as regarding to tithe...why ? They're being deceived.

#Lastbullet : bring all the tithes into my store belly !!!

TheIndustrialist:
If your pastor is a Levite,just let me know so that I can go give him my tithe.
#Lastbullet : bring all the tithes into my store belly !!!

Actually I'm a levite myself, my dad is jewish (though I'm the assistant pastor). So pls feel free to do as the spirit leads by giving me your tithes, offering, seed, and even first fruit sef, I go collect.
#TeamOle#

BlackStallion:
Actually I'm a levite myself, my dad is jewish (though I'm the assistant pastor). So pls feel free to do as the spirit leads by giving me your tithes, offering, seed, and even first fruit sef, I go collect.
#TeamOle#

Lols...no Levite go wear that kind of your tie.
#TeamCatchOle

Tithe is one of the mosaic laws. According to gal 5:4,If you are paying tithe, you are trying to keep the law. Anyone who does that has fallen from grace. I doubt if you are still a christian when you have fallen from grace which comes thru christ. The law that came thru moses requires the you keep all 600 or more mosaic laws orguilty of all if you break anyone of them. How many of these laws do christians know and keep and how can keeping only one, the law of tithe make you guiltless?

Once,I used to be angry if one is still indulging in sins ! But wen I got d revelation of Christ Jesus 2wards sinners,I started loving them WHILE been very careful wit them. Follow this link http:///F4jGcj to read. As us read,I pray d Almighty God opens ur eyes in d name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

dein77: Good afternoon all.
Lately, I became a bit curious about the issue of tithe in the dispensation of GRACE.
I understand grace doesn't give the license to continue practising sin.
I know many Christians have some issues with tithe. I'm currently a tithe, but I find it rather strange that neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor Apostle Paul emphasised tither in the New Testament.
Whence cometh the idea of tithe?
I want to know. I have no plans to discontinue tithing, but in this age and time, wemust serve God with uunderstanding.
Awaiting your lovely inputs.
God bless us all.

Hello OP,
Curiousity helps us to better learn and understand and know more about the word of God. The thirst is very important.

Grace helps us to be what God originally intended for us to be:

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. SO when we come to Christ we just allow Him to do what He has already done, through us.

Many things were not emphasized in the New Testament that Christ gave except for us to hear him and abide in Him. Every other thing falls into place. Not more are you told what to do like a kid but you are expected like a responsible adult to know what to do in love. That was basically what all the old laws were hinged on. Christ simply gave us the big picture rather than the bits and pieces which the OT laws were trying to piece together.

Both Jesus and Apostle Paul spoke about Tithe actually. They spoke about offering and other things as well.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone

I Corinthians 9:9-14
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


Christ had every opportunity to cancel tithe in the first verse but instead he even added other things to be done. The very first tither gave his tithe for the service of God through a priest, when God gave the command to dedicate the tithe it was to those who ministered at the temple for the service they serve, when Jesus gave the word to tithe he stated that it should be done with proper understanding and when Apostle Paul spoke about the way ministers of old lived of the things of temple and altar it was also obvious what he was talking about.

When you have love, you would know that those who teach you in the word should be partakers of all goods things (Galatians 6:6). Paul said those taught in the word should share with their teacher in all good things not even some. Complete understanding of the old testament and new testament helps us to rightly divide.

The premise is what is the essence, when you understand that then you know why you do what you do.
In the this period of the fulness of grace we enjoy in Christ, nothing is a must because Christ expects we do all things in love and not by force. That is why many things Christ told us was more of what we ought to/should do and not necessarily what we must do.

This topic has been over-flogged on this forum, if you search well enough you would see many posts and debates on it infact. You would get a better and balanced view therefore.

TheIndustrialist: Lols...no Levite go wear that kind of your tie.
#TeamCatchOle

Hahahahaha!! I go commot dis tie nau, use am whip you like horse.
How ministry, you don reach permanent site?

Very well put Alwaystrue but I hope you won't mind my subjecting your presentation to the light of God's word. It's our duty to do seeing that as Berean Christian we must do this; and the other reason is this scripture in Acts 15:

Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

This will not be the first question on theological issues in Christendom and we should never fear such questions deteriorating to "no small dissension and disputation". Unfortunately, we no longer have apostles in Jerusalem to take our questions to for resolving but we have the scriptures.

My next post here will be a careful analysis of some of your points. The OP is a tither. I do not necessarily wish to change him to an antitither. I however owe him information. If after he has that information, he wishes to continue tithing, I wish him all the best.

Jesus spoke about tithe ,in passing ,when upbraiding the pharisees.
Matth 23 v 23.
In the end he said " these things ought ye to do .... "
what things? Tithing!
So bro , Jesus aint on ur side wen pocketg that dough!

What's the motive behind questions like these?
Na.ked greed and selfishness.
There's no basis for it.
If in d old and inferior testament
God's people paid ten percent
how much ought God's people to pay in a new and better covenant , not instituted on the blood of rams and goats?
Think!



Drop tht dough with gladness and stop tryg to hold back.

BlackStallion:
Hahahahaha!! I go commot dis tie nau, use am whip you like horse.
How ministry, you don reach permanent site?

Hmmm...(breathing...)

TheIndustrialist:
Hmmm...(breathing...)

Easy oo.

WinsomeX: Very well put Alwaystrue but I hope you won't mind my subjecting your presentation to the light of God's word. It's our duty to do seeing that as Berean Christian we must do this; and the other reason is this scripture in Acts 15:
Acts 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
This will not be the first question on theological issues in Christendom and we should never fear such questions deteriorating to "no small dissension and disputation". Unfortunately, we no longer have apostles in Jerusalem to take our questions to for resolving but we have the scriptures.
My next post here will be a careful analysis of some of your points. The OP is a tither. I do not necessarily wish to change him to an antitither. I however owe him information. If after he has that information, he wishes to continue tithing, I wish him all the best.

Thanks. However, I would advise you remain on your course based on your earlier post of bringing the OP to an understanding of grace rather than trying to 'subject my presentation to the light of God's word' like my above post is not already riddled with it and I basically summarised each in my own statements. I hope you know Jesus is Himself the Word of God.

Deciding to focus on my posts and doing a 'careful analysis of some of my points' looks like you are trying to enter some form of elimination contest. However, if you seem to have something to latch unto, please go ahead to enlighten the OP.

Hmmmmn, has the person behind this monnikker had a discuss with me before?