Pataki:

I am not so sure whether absconding now entails him as a criminal. If it were ever so, it would have been clearly stated.  I know of a person who stayed in the UK illegally, never got arrested and decided one day to walk to the police station all by himself to surrender himself to the police. He was arrested by the police and Home Office was contacted.

After weeks of detention and all sorts of procedures, following his honesty and sincerity, he was granted a right to stay in the UK. Cases differ and yes you have a right to your argument but your attitude of passing across your message was in a condescending tone.

In the documentary it stated clearly that the case had now been referred to the police and so that means it is now a police matter; a criminal matter. If you knew anything about the UK then you would also know that more often than not each government body works independently of the other. My point being that if immigration felt that this case had nothing to do with the police whose duty it is to help restore law and order to society then they wouldn't have referred the case to them.

It is a well known fact that in order for an illegal immigrant to become legal they must go back to their own country on their own accord and expense in order to apply for the proper visa there. In the UK , there is currently no such amnesty in place which allows an illegal immigrant to give themselves up so that they can go through the proper procedures in order to be granted indefinite leave to remain like that. That would not only make a complete mockery of the system but also be highly unfair to those who had chosen to go through the proper channels in order to legally live and work in the UK.

Given that fact I don't believe one bit of the story about your friend as there is no way they would have been granted indefinite stay in the country by simply walking into the police station.  As I have said there are others who have taken the time to go through the proper channels so why would he be rewarded for breaking the law? Especially when respect of the law of the land is the fundamental rule of citizenship?

KarmaMod:

Na only dog face? why not poopoo face sef? Seeing that your "insults" are so juvenile and embarrassing.

Someone needs to tell Aunty Ruckus that she's nothing more than a frustrated coon that deserves its own minstrel show.

Shuudap Bitch! Anyway, I thought you had gone off to settle in your cage abi kennel for the night? Don't answer as I don't really care.

B.O.S.S.:

Come on now EloSela. There's no point engaging in all these cursing. Let's not digress and in actual fact, your point has been well noted by everyone. Now let's please get on as matured human beings. It's the Yuletide and I guess no one has any bone to fight in them, rather let's save it for the Christmas eve parties/church services/quiet time watching dvd -  whichever one.

Enjoy once again.

. . .Still don't get why everyone is reprimanding me and not Karma? Na her papa get Nairaland abi wetin?

hehehehhehe. Poor coon 

KarmaMod:

hehehehhehe. Poor coon 

Calling your father again in this thread I see. I pity him too for having such a dog faced looking hag of a daughter.

OH my God, Londoner dey cry, This is very sad, I pitty the poor boy,I think it is time to educate all the potential illegal immigrants to let them know that without proper document is not easy to survive, but the problem is that they dont still believe when you tell them,
Anyway i pray fro the poor boy not to get deported

Jigaboo still ranting for not having a father eh? 

EloSela:

In the documentary it stated clearly that the case had now been referred to the police and so that means it is now a police matter; a criminal matter. If you knew anything about the UK then you would also know that more often than not each government body works independently of the other. My point being that if immigration felt that this case had nothing to do with the police whose duty it is to help restore law and order to society then they wouldn't have referred the case to them.

It is a well known fact that in order for an illegal immigrant to become legal they must go back to their own country on their own accord and expense in order to apply for the proper visa there. In the UK , there is currently no such amnesty in place which allows an illegal immigrant to give themselves up so that they can go through the proper procedures in order to be granted indefinite leave to remain like that. That would not only make a complete mockery of the system but also be highly unfair to those who had chosen to go through the proper channels in order to legally live and work in the UK.

Given that fact I don't believe one bit of the story about your friend as there is no way they would have been granted indefinite stay in the country by simply walking into the police station.  As I have said there are others who have taken the time to go through the proper channels so why would he be rewarded for breaking the law? Especially when respect of the law of the land is the fundamental rule of citizenship?

In your haste to make a point, you are seriously jumping before the gun. The case was referred to the police after he absconded, it still does not confer on him the status of a criminal. You would rather want to call him such.   I have asked you before, are you aware of the UK immigration laws that allows that illegal immigrant who have stayed for over 14years in the UK, can change their illegal status to a legal right to stay? I am also aware that illegal immigrants have the option to leave the UK voluntarily and apply from their country of origin or any other country where they have a legal right to live in. And if they refuse, when caught face a 10 year ban.

You may choose not to believe my story as you are limited to your own reasoning however I am not telling you a make-up story but a story with fact as I personally know whom was involved with the case. And more importantly, where have I stated that he was granted an indefinite leave to remain?   You are seriously jumping before the gun. Take a chill pill and read my inputs very well.

KarmaMod:

Jigaboo still ranting for not having a father eh? 

Nah, talking about your coon of a father whose name you can't seem to stop calling up in here you dim-witted bitch.

Pataki:

In your haste to make a point, you are seriously jumping before the gun. The case was referred to the police after he absconded, it still does not confer on him the status of a criminal. You would rather want to call him such.   I have asked you before, are you aware of the UK immigration laws that allows that illegal immigrant who have stayed for over 14years in the UK, can change their illegal status to a legal right to stay? I am also aware that illegal immigrants have the option to leave the UK voluntarily and apply from their country of origin or any other country where they have a legal right to live in. And if they refuse, when caught face a 10 year ban.

You may choose not to believe my story as you are limited to your own reasoning however I am not telling you a make-up story but a story with fact as I personally know whom was involved with the case. And more importantly, where have I stated that he was granted an indefinite leave to remain?   You are seriously jumping before the gun. Take a chill pill and read my inputs very well.

These are your very words.

After weeks of detention and all sorts of procedures, following his honesty and sincerity, [size=16pt]he was granted a right to stay in the UK[/size].

If I'm honest I will now say that I wasn't entirely clear on the 14 immigration rule and but I have now looked it up. Now, going by your statements one would believe that they have a guaranteed right to remain in the UK under the 14 year LRC rules when that is far from the truth.

Here are the facts:

There is a popular myth that if you have lived in the UK 'illegally' for 14 years or 14 years of any legality or have been here lawfully for 10 years you are entitled to stay. Not so, there are many legal provisos that must be complied with for both categories before residency would be granted.


However, immigration history is relevant to the fourteen-year Rule. Clearly, it would not be appropriate to refuse leave on the grounds of conduct simply because the applicant is an overstayer or illegal entrant, as that would defeat the purpose of the Rule. However, the Rule is not intended to reward people for their success in evading, or failing to cooperate with, the immigration control. Therefore, any deliberate or blatant attempts to circumvent the control, e.g. by [size=16pt]absconding[/size], contracting a marriage of convenience or [size=16pt]using false documents[/size] (this is not an exhaustive list) may well mean that it is not in the public interest to grant leave.

http://www.ncadc.org.uk/resources/residence.html

So going by the above the man in the video has already shot himself in the foot by absconding and as the police are involved he is now a wanted criminal. Also taking the above into consideration, plenty of illegal Nigerians use false documentation to work and so there isn't a chance in hell that they would be given leave to remain after illegally breaking the law for 14 years.

Again, looking at the bigger picture, what did the man in the video achieve?

Nah, talking about your coon of a father whose name you can't seem to stop calling up in here you dim-witted bitch.

is that what you are taught by your 'queen of theives'?

may be if your queen returns abacha loot; the poor man would not be crying to have his share!!!

@ Elosela,

How does he was granted a right to stay translate to an indefinite leave as inferred by you? If you are not clear on this matter, it is better to ask rather than jump on a false assumption and try to force it down as your point. I am sure you are not intellectually handicapped not to know that there is ''limited leave to remain'', ''further leave to remain'', and your prized ''indefinite leave to remain''.

While you are so passionate about wanting him deported, labeling him as a criminal and not meeting the requirement for the 14year rule, I can most assuredly tell you that within the UK, issues like this are easy to work around with it.

In respect to your last question pertaining to what has he achieved, I do not know as I have never in such shoes.

landis:


is that what you are taught by your 'queen of theives'?

may be if your queen returns abacha loot; the poor man would not be crying to have his share!!!

Don't get involved sour puss and stick to the topic .   .    .If you want to talk about why your leaders swindled their nations money into foreign bank accounts you can start your own thread and discuss it until you are blue in the face for all I care!

Pataki:

@ Elosela,

How does he was granted a right to stay translate to an indefinite leave as inferred by you? If you are not clear on this matter, it is better to ask rather than jump on a false assumption and try to force it down as your point. I am sure you are not intellectually handicapped not to know that there is ''limited leave to remain'', ''further leave to remain'', and your prized ''indefinite leave to remain''.

While you are so passionate about wanting him deported, labeling him as a criminal and not meeting the requirement for the 14year rule, I can most assuredly tell you that within the UK, issues like this are easy to work around with it.

In respect to your last question pertaining to what has he achieved, I do not know as I have never in such shoes.

Pataki the man absconded and is more than likely using false documents to continue working in the UK hence the reason why the Police are now involved. This man has labelled himself by failing to comply with the rules of the land that he wishes to live in. In case it escaped you, it is a criminal offence in the UK to use or to be in possession of false documentation.

Subsections (1) and (2) set out the circumstances in which a person is guilty of an offence if he is in possession of a document which he knows or believes to be false or a genuine document that has been improperly obtained or relates to someone else. To be guilty of the offence the person must have the intention that the document be used for identity fraud.

Subsections (3) and (4) create a similar offence in relation to the possession of equipment which is designed or adapted for making false identity documents.

Subsection (6) sets out the maximum penalties for such offences as being 10 years imprisonment or a fine or both.
.

Here is the act in full: http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Legislation&title=Identity+Cards+Act+2006&searchEnacted=0&extentMatchOnly=0&confersPower=0&blanketAmendment=0&sortAlpha=0&TYPE=QS&PageNumber=1&NavFrom=0&parentActiveTextDocId=2321581&ActiveTextDocId=2321616&filesize=7326


The above in effect makes every illegal immigrant using false documents to work a criminal under British law.
You know good and well that you were not referring to 'limited leave to remain' when you told that story about your friend. You clearly state that after a few weeks he was granted the right to stay in the UK, the key word here being 'right'.

That being said can you also explain the difference between having the 'right to stay in the UK' and 'indefinite leave' please?

@ Elosela

If you want to discuss why your leaders swindled their nations money into foreign bank accounts you can start your own thread and discuss it until you are blue in the face for all I care.

yeah, tell your queen to return our money.

spare us all your yabis about our bad nigerians  are while your queen is siting her ass on our stolen money.

landis:

is that what you are taught by your 'queen of theives'?

How can an omo ale be taught anything?

Bloody jigaboo still crying cos she no know her papa and wants to blame everyone but her wretched mama

Just so you know:

It's the bartender!

Karma

"Bi aba gbagbe oro ana, a o ni reni basere"

"if we dont let bygones be bygones, we might end up with no friends"

yemmy, ma binu sugbon omo yen, ori e to yi

yemmyse:

Karma

"Bi aba gbagbe oro ana, a o ni reni basere"

"if we don't let bygones be bygones, we might end up with no friends"

But KarmaMod and ElaSela are just e-enemies, they might be true friends in the realworld without knowing, that's the funny thing about the internet.

B.O.S.S.:

But KarmaMod and ElaSela are just e-enemies, they might be true friends in the realworld without knowing, that's the funny thing about the internet.

wetin i do you now ? why would you curse me like that? 

I can never be friends with fatherless lunatics who feel the need to bash others because they found someone who could smuggle them into another country. She's a pathetic nitwit.

Not even feeling funky ontop a betta country. The UK of all places. If say na Japan, maybe i'd even have pity for the hoodrat

.

Karma. . . Jo kini meaning jigaboo? mo fe build yoruba vocab me. I've been impressing my peeps at home lately, they think I'm taking Yoruba classes on the sly.

Of course all of my new words are ebu but new is new.

EloSela:

Pataki the man absconded and is more than likely using false documents to continue working in the UK hence the reason why the Police are now involved. This man has labelled himself by failing to comply with the rules of the land that he wishes to live in. In case it escaped you, it is a criminal offence in the UK to use or to be in possession of false documentation.

Here is the act in full: http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Legislation&title=Identity+Cards+Act+2006&searchEnacted=0&extentMatchOnly=0&confersPower=0&blanketAmendment=0&sortAlpha=0&TYPE=QS&PageNumber=1&NavFrom=0&parentActiveTextDocId=2321581&ActiveTextDocId=2321616&filesize=7326


The above in effect makes every illegal immigrants using false documents to work a criminal under British law.
You know good and well that you were not referring to 'limited leave to remain' when you told that story about your friend. You clearly state that after a few weeks he was granted the right to stay in the UK, the key word here being 'right'.

That being said can you also explain the difference between having the 'right to stay in the UK' and 'indefinite leave' please?

Your thinking is so hilarious to me.

So what do you call a Limited Leave to Remain? Is it a right to live in the UK or not? Is an Indefinite Leave to Remain the only 'right' to stay in the UK that you are aware of?

You simply just like to infer so many anomaly into this man's case. No where was it stated he was using a false documents, however he was working illegally. There are companies who are ready to take on cheap employment to people without papers in the UK and the UK government is seriously tracking them down.

I would rather prefer to think he was employed by such companies that engage illegal immigrants within the UK.

Sisi, jigaboo ni eniyan ti o ni jigga ni ese and then o wa se boo (as in scary movie) fun eni yen

EloSela:

Don't get involved sour puss and stick to the topic . . .If you want to talk about why your leaders swindled their nations money into foreign bank accounts you can start your own thread and discuss it until you are blue in the face for all I care!

Pataki the man absconded and is more than likely using false documents to continue working in the UK hence the reason why the Police are now involved. This man has labelled himself by failing to comply with the rules of the land that he wishes to live in. In case it escaped you, it is a criminal offence in the UK to use or to be in possession of false documentation.

Here is the act in full: http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Legislation&title=Identity+Cards+Act+2006&searchEnacted=0&extentMatchOnly=0&confersPower=0&blanketAmendment=0&sortAlpha=0&TYPE=QS&PageNumber=1&NavFrom=0&parentActiveTextDocId=2321581&ActiveTextDocId=2321616&filesize=7326


The above in effect makes every illegal immigrants using false documents to work a criminal under British law.
You know good and well that you were not referring to 'limited leave to remain' when you told that story about your friend. You clearly state that after a few weeks he was granted the right to stay in the UK, the key word here being 'right'.

That being said can you also explain the difference between having the 'right to stay in the UK' and 'indefinite leave' please?

Mrs Illegal Immigration. . . . .
Even Columbus was an illegal immigrant when he used his Moses slippers to navigate the world. He didn't even obtain visas sef.
Whats the big deal. Why make it seem like its a crime that has never been committed before.
What do you call what the UK govt did to West Africa when they colonized us. Do you think they had legal papers or visas to roam the streets of lagos.
Chill out. Na wetin
I bet your parents were illegal when they delivered you in the UK.
I am sure that you are one of those "born am shap shap return to Nigeria thingy".
Stop making a fuss over nothing. Illegal immigration is not news.
There a thousands of Illegal Europeans and Lebanese living in Lagos as i speak. Kini big deal

"born am shap shap return to Nigeria thingy".

How could you born am shap-shap in nine months? Very hillarious!!!

B.O.S.S.:

"born am shap shap return to Nigeria thingy".

How could you born am shap-shap in nine months? Very hillarious!!!

My guy. 9gerians can "do and undo"
I trust we both know what i meant sha. lol

shori,

Nigeria is better TO LIVE IN than UK. wE ARE SUFFERINGhere. I want to go back home and establish myself.

You see Nigeria is ok. This Yoruba guy in the video is going thru the same thing as I am. Oyinbo is just using us.

If I can go back to Lagos with the Oyinbo peeps money I am happy. Walaitalai. They are using us for slavery jobs.

Oyinbo is serious craze people.

my bros and siss,

Nigeria is the best place to live and die. There are friends and family. Over here everyone is a robot trying to survive.

The cold is too much. Yu see oyinbo is dangerous. But our leaders have cheated us since independence.

Nigeria is suppossed to be richer than UK IN 2008. bUT THE shell oil company because of envy made Nigerians poor.

Go to youtube.com and see how shell is looting and improvishing Nigeria. THERE IS NO HOPE IN OYINBO LAND.

ifele:

my bros and siss,

Nigeria is the best place to live and die. There are friends and family. Over here everyone is a robot trying to survive.

The cold is too much. Yu see oyinbo is dangerous. But our leaders have cheated us since independence.

Nigeria is suppossed to be richer than UK IN 2008. bUT THE shell oil company because of envy made Nigerians poor.

Go to youtube.com and see how shell is looting and improvishing Nigeria. THERE IS NO HOPE IN OYINBO LAND.

See as you come dey divulge.
Abeg speak for yourself. Nigeria may be the best place for you to live but not for others.
If you prefer constant darkness,noise pollution from generators, lack of water, roads with pot holes. . . etc to constant NEPA,well lit streets, and so on,,,,,,,,,,God Bless you.
As for me, there is a place better than home and it is called the United States of M**F**ING America.

ifele:

my bros and siss,
Nigeria is the best place to live and die. There are friends and family. Over here everyone is a robot trying to survive. The cold is too much. Yu see oyinbo is dangerous. But our leaders have cheated us since independence. Nigeria is suppossed to be richer than UK IN 2008. bUT THE shell oil company because of envy made Nigerians poor. Go to youtube.com and see how shell is looting and improvishing Nigeria. THERE IS NO HOPE IN OYINBO LAND.

Nigeria is the best place to live, and die, in as long as you are willing to imagine things are better than they really are, because Nigeria is “SUPPOSED” to be richer than UK? Kai!! Isn’t this clinging to one delusion or another of how reality could have been the reason why the country remains as is? The more I read this sort of thing, the more I wonder if we do not have more years to go before the end of this nonsense. WAKE UP and SMELL the roses. There is a global downturn and not a single good plan in place to ensure that Nigeria will develop during the crisis. Are you alright?

I bet your parents were illegal when they delivered you in the UK.

who dash that one parents. sperm bank l'omo

Lmao omoge and sisi you are both mad. Jigaboo is slur used in the south against blacks o. literally an animal that scares people in the dark

I just found it funny that someone who claims to have Naija "parents" would use "watermelon eating blah blah" as an insult when the person isnt even white. Even if the tart were white, Im not an akata so why would "watermelon eater' bother me. Lunatic patrols StormFront frequently apparently.

@ Karmasod
Yes you dog faced watermelon blubber lipped bitch, the UK is the best place in the world and that is why you can't seem to stop you cantankerous bitter ass from making dumb spiteful comments in each and every thread that just happens to have the 'UK' in its title.

That is also the reason why you can't seem to stop  running your filthy mouth and busting a gut to criticise British Nigerians like your life depends on it. You really are just one frustrated uptight and bitter HAG!   I say the sooner you employ the services of that rabbit(read Love Machine) the better as you really do sound like you are just another pathetic excuse for human life. I suppose your nigger, jiggaboo or whatever that thing you call a father is, is the one to blame for that.

Pataki:

Your thinking is so hilarious to me.

So what do you call a Limited Leave to Remain? Is it a right to live in the UK or not? Is an Indefinite Leave to Remain the only 'right' to stay in the UK that you are aware of?

You simply just like to infer so many anomaly into this man's case. No where was it stated he was using a false documents, however he was working illegally. There are companies who are ready to take on cheap employment to people without papers in the UK and the UK government is seriously tracking them down.

I would rather prefer to think he was employed by such companies that engage illegal immigrants within the UK.

I doubt that there are any employers in the UK that would risk employing a person without papers. That aside the man in the video gave a false name when arrested and so it is more than likely that he had false ID in that name and was employed with it.

About your friend who you claim was granted the right to stay after being held in detention for a few weeks: rolls eyes

Was he granted the right to stay in the UK indefinitely or was there a limit given to the amount of stay or not? Stop dancing around the houses and answer the question! You previously used the argument that implied that one could simply give themselves up to the authorities after being on the run for 14 years and then be granted the 'right to stay'. Why would you even use this friend's story to defend your stance if they were only given the 'right' to 'limited' stay

@A-town

My folks were never illegal

In Columbus' time did visas even exist? Did the United States exist?.   .   .Now if they did you would have a point but as it stands you have nowt!

Illegal Europeans and Lebanese in Lagos yeah right! I doubt that but if it is true then they need to take their asses back home too.

tpia:

@ Elosela

you spend way too much time and energy attacking Nigeria and Nigerians.

.   .   .And you spend to much time in denial.

Are you an illegal alien in New Zealand?

Illegal immigrants GO HOME!!!

EloSela:


@A-town

My folks were never illegal

In Columbus' time did visas even exist? Did the United States exist?. . .Now if they did you would have a point but as it stands you have nowt!

Illegal Europeans and Lebanese in Lagos yeah right! I doubt that but if it is true then they need to take their asses back home too.

Your folks were never illegal. . . . Hmm. Unless they are both white, which i doubt. Even if your parents are british, then your grandparents must have lobbied the system in order to get residency. Unless no one from your generation was born in Nigeria, you need to quit the nonsense about illegal immigration.
Some people have the luxury to come in on student visas, then after they get jobs, legalize their stay and claim they did the thing legally. Bullshit. Every damn Nigerian had the same intention when they left Nigeria. TO ESTABLISH RESIDENCY. The fact that some people only had access to tourist visas does not make them any more illegal than you.

Ignorance is not an excuse. There thousands of BRITS, DANISH, ITALIANS, PHILLIPINOS, ans LEBANESE in Nigeria illegally.
How many of them have legal work permits? My dear its the same every where. Nigerians might be overdoing it but it is common everwhere and stop being ignorant
All the yeye oyinbos wey full lagos, why dem never leave since. How many of them get legal permit? I used to think it was minimal till i came back and Lekki/V.I is virtually dominated by foreigners. Compare the number of foreigners we have to the legal number available at the Nigeria Immigration Service and you will realize that only 0.1% of them have any legal status. The worst thing is that most of them evade taxes as well. So please shut up with the Illegal Immigration bullshit.
As an advice,
This is the internet, the abuses you guys rain around has no impact on anyone so stop wasting Nairaland's cyberspace storage. Kapeesh