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|Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by trotsky2: 5:26am On Nov 27, 2014|
now while you dont need to read the whole of it, its important that you at least let the topic swirl through your head abit
The publication on Nov. 12, 2014 of the book I co-wrote with Prof. Barrie Wilson, The Lost Gospel: Decoding the Ancient Text that Reveals Jesus' Marriage to Mary the Magdalene, has caused a worldwide theological firestorm, including demonstrations in India. I was even the butt of one of Bill O'Reilly's attacks and have challenged him to an on-air debate. So far, he's demurred.
I think the reason for all this negativity is that the proof for the historical marriage between Jesus of Nazareth and the woman known as Mary the Magdalene has become overwhelming. Even before our findings, everything -- everything -- pointed to a marriage, and nothing -- nothing -- argued for Jesus' celibacy. The only thing that continues to argue for Jesus' celibacy is 2000 years of theological bullying. This may come as a shock to most people, but the fact is that none of the four Gospels say that Jesus was celibate. The Gospels call Jesus "Rabbi" (Matthew 26:49, Mark 10:51, John 20:16). Rabbis, then as now, are married. If Jesus wasn't married, someone would have noticed.
The greatest promoter of celibacy for Christians was Paul. On every other matter of Jewish law -- and Paul was a Jew called Saul at birth -- Paul was lax. He threw out Kosher laws, ignored Sabbath observance and prayed that the hands of ritual circumcisers shake so that they cut off their own joysticks when they perform circumcision (Galatians 5:12). Only when it came to sex Paul was more severe than Moses and Jesus put together. Why? The answer may lie in Paul's background.
As everyone knows, "Paul of Tarsus" came from Tarsus, an area of modern-day Turkey. What people don't know is that in the Tarsus of Paul's day they worshipped a god named Attis. Perhaps not coincidentally, Attis was a dying and resurrecting god. He was called "the Good Shepard", and his earliest depictions show him with a sheep across his shoulders. All these images were later incorporated into the iconography of Paul's version of Christianity. Put simply, Paul's Jesus looks a lot like Attis.
Attis had a great love in his life, Cybele. On their wedding night, Attis decided to make the supreme sacrifice and offer his testicles on the altar of his love. He surprised his virgin bride by castrating himself. This idea was a big hit in the Tarsus of Paul's day. Attis' priests, the Galli, would imitate their god by going into a frenzy, emasculating themselves and offering their testicles as holy sacrifices. Not surprisingly, this once-popular religion died out. For his part, Paul didn't promote literal castration -- although some early Pauline Christians, e.g. Church Father Origen, did castrate themselves. In the spirit of Attis, Paul advocated abstinence and celibacy, even in marriage (e.g. "It is good for a man not to touch a woman," 1 Corinthians 7:1). Had Jesus been celibate, Paul would certainly have invoked him as an example when arguing for celibacy. But he doesn't. Never once does Paul argue that Christians should be celibate, because Jesus was celibate. Not once!
If one looks at the Gospels without Attis-colored Pauline glasses, there are many, many hints that Jesus was married. Specifically, after the Crucifixion, the Gospels agree that it was Mary the Magdalene who went early Sunday morning to wash and anoint Jesus' crucified body (Mark 16:1). People have the quaint idea that ancient Jews in Jerusalem went around "anointing" each other. They didn't. What the Gospels are telling us is that Mary the Magdalene went to Jesus' tomb to prepare his body for burial. That's the Gospels, not me. Then and now, no woman would touch the Unclad body of a dead Rabbi, unless she was family. Jesus was whipped, beat and crucified. No woman would wash the blood and sweat off his private parts unless she was his wife.
Besides the canonical Gospels, there are the so-called "Gnostic" Gospels. The Gnostics -- or "wisdom seekers" -- were an early branch of Christianity, whose origins we don't know. What we do know is that they represent the losers in the Christian orthodoxy game. After the fourth century, the Church burnt Gnostic holy books and the people who believed in them. As a result, until recently, we had almost no Gnostic Gospels to refer to.
In 1947, in Nag Hammadi, Egypt, the Gnostics got their revenge. At that time, several of their Gospels were found hidden in jars. They all tell the same story -- Jesus was married. More than this, for his Gnostic followers, Jesus' marriage and sexual activity was more important than his death and resurrection. Simply put, they were more interested in his passion in bed than in his "Passion" on the cross.
What does archaeology have to say about a married Jesus?
In 1980, in Talpiot, just outside of Jerusalem, archaeologists discovered a 2000-year-old burial tomb. In the tomb there were ten ossuaries i.e., limestone coffins. Six of them were inscribed. One of them had the Hebrew/Aramaic name "Jesus son of Joseph" scratched on its side, another "Maria," yet another -- "Yose" -- a nickname referred to in the Gospels as belonging to one of Jesus' brothers (Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55). A fourth ossuary was inscribed with the name "Matthew" and a fifth -- the only one in Greek -- with the name "Mariamene," a Greek version of "Mary" associated in all of Greek literature with one woman only -- Mary the Magdalene. Even more disturbing for Pauline Christians, a sixth inscribed ossuary -- apparently of a child -- had the name "Judah, son of Jesus" carved on it.
So what happened with this paradigm-shifting discovery? Nothing! Between 1980 and 1996 no archaeologists even reported the find. It took my 2007 documentary, The Last Tomb of Jesus, and my co-authored book, The Jesus Family Tomb to propel the find onto the headlines. And what was the world's reaction? Again, nothing. In the spirit of The Life of Brian, according to the scholarly consensus, the tomb must have belonged to another Jesus and two other Marys. After all, if you believe that Jesus is an Attis-type god, he can't have a coffin, certainly not a wife and not a child that could've resulted from their sexual union.
This brings us to our "Lost Gospel". It appears to be a sixth-century Syriac (Christian Aramaic) text that is a translation of an earlier Greek text (fourth or second century) that Prof. Barrie Wilson and I believe preserves a first-century tradition. The text, in the rare manuscript section of the British Library for the past 160 years, is ostensibly about the biblical Joseph, of multi-colored coat fame, and his obscure wife Aseneth. But in the Syriac community from which this Gospel emerged, "Joseph" was a stand-in for Jesus, and Aseneth, "had many children by the Crucified" (Hymn 21 of Ephrem the Syrian). Clearly, we are dealing with a very thinly encoded text, concealing a Gospel that would otherwise have been destined for the bonfire.
In our manuscript, Joseph -- a.k.a Jesus -- is identified with the sign of the cross traced in blood. Some have argued that this manuscript does not refer to Jesus. If so, why the sign of the cross? Why the blood, and why is he explicitly called the "Son of God"? As for Aseneth, our manuscript depicts her as living in a "tower." The Hebrew for "tower" is "Migdal", hence Mary the Magdalene. It's not her last name, folks. It's a title. It means "Mary the Tower Lady."
In our Lost Gospel, she is depicted as a Galilean Phoenician priestess that abandons idolatry after meeting and falling in love with Jesus. They marry, but she's not simply "Mrs. Jesus." She is a partner in redemption referred to as the "Daughter of God" and "The Bride of God." Our Lost Gospel states that Jesus and Mary had two children and it witnesses to the idea that, for their earliest followers, Jesus and his wife Mary were co-deities embroiled in the politics of their times.
Pauline Christians can continue to have faith in a celibate savior who is divorced from his family, his people and his times. But for me, the most important revelation in this long ignored manuscript has to do with a foiled plot on Jesus and Mary the Magdalene's lives, about 13 years before the crucifixion. If our historical sleuthing is correct, this text is a Gospel before the Gospels and we can finally return Jesus to the historical context from which Paul removed him.
Simcha Jacobovici is a three-time Emmy-winning filmmaker and New York Times bestselling author. His book on the subject, "The Lost Gospel", is already on sale. The companion documentary "Bride of God" will air on Discovery Science, December 14 and 21.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by Juell(m): 5:36am On Nov 27, 2014|
May the LORD have mercy on you.....Amen.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by Nobody: 5:58am On Nov 27, 2014|
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by torchwave: 7:15am On Nov 27, 2014|
Op, the devil will go to ANY length to discredit the message and validity of the Gospels. He will manipulate facts in a bid to sow seeds of unbelief and doubts in the minds of people.
Afterall, he is the great inventor of Lies.
Believe this crap of lies at your own peril.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by stinggy(m): 7:25am On Nov 27, 2014|
Of course Jesus used to call her 'his companion' when he was alive, a word used for 'wife' in their days.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by justaqad(m): 7:39am On Nov 27, 2014|
so jesus cured his conji on earth before his demise?
Wonder what would have happened in heaven if after seeing nicky minaj kinda T*ts and kim k kinda idi nla here on earth without having a feel of it.
Am sure god would not be left out on the rape spree.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by nobilis: 7:41am On Nov 27, 2014|
Typical of Christians.
You are presented with verifiable facts and instead of scrutinizing and focusing on the facts, you are resorting to insults.
And one calling the OP a fool. Even when his bible said a person who calls his brother a fool is liable to hell fire.
Double standard hypocrites.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by trotsky2: 9:18am On Nov 27, 2014|
These bloody christians sef, y'all need to chill d uf out. The opinion expressed on the thread is not my own but that of the author, which you can easily click on the link provided to see who it is. Ill express mine when I see more intelligent responses come in.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by trotsky2: 9:19am On Nov 27, 2014|
nobilis:honestly christians are a pathetic lot, a group of people who need be pitied
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by italo: 11:35am On Nov 27, 2014|
This is not the worst lie ever told about Jesus, and it is neither the first nor the last.
But we Children of God keep marching on.
Jesus is King of glory for eternity!
What is the next lie?
Jesus looted Nigeria's treasury?
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by nobilis: 8:47pm On Nov 27, 2014|
And how do you know it is a lie?
What proof do you have that it is a lie or you just believe by faith that it is a lie?
Where did the bible say that Jesus was or wasn't married?
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by italo: 9:05am On Nov 28, 2014|
nobilis:Believe what you like. Someday your 'truth' about Jesus will make Christianity disappear.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by nobilis: 1:12pm On Nov 28, 2014|
My guy, all religions disappear at one time or the other. It has always been like that since the beginning of the world. When a people's reality and their civilisation and their culture start undergoing subtle but persistent and unrelenting changes, religious beliefs begin to change as well. That is how it has been.
Back to the issue.
None of the christians who have responded to this thread have given any educative counter-argument to the OP's post.
Even though the bible exhorts you to teach all the nations about God, when the opportunity comes to do that, all you guys do is to hide behind the bible and hurl insolent remarks at your opponents.
No wonder christianity is losing some ground in some places. In the early days of christianity, in the times of people like Origen, Jerome, Augustine of Hippo, Eusebius of Caeserea, Ambrose of Milan, Cyprian and other church fathers, people were won over to Christianity through public debates. But when Christians are faced today with such challenges to their faith, they just decide to hide behind the bible and "blind" faith.
As for the post, I never said it is true or false. But there is enough evidence (which can still be verified, anyway) that it might be true. And instead of you to provide contrary evidence to counter the OP, you resort to insults.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by italo: 1:26pm On Nov 28, 2014|
Can you face a public debate honestly?
If so, for a start, do you believe the OP to be a fact?
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by nobilis: 3:17pm On Nov 28, 2014|
You expect me to answer you yet the questions I asked you earlier you couldn't answer them.
It's really pathetic
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by italo: 10:39pm On Nov 29, 2014|
Then believe what you like.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by Nobody: 10:50pm On Nov 29, 2014|
Even without proof that you have a king of glory. What a deluded human being.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by italo: 11:07pm On Nov 29, 2014|
Wise human being...the above is your wisdom.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by Nobody: 11:09pm On Nov 29, 2014|
Your Caucasian king of glory
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by nobilis: 7:46am On Nov 30, 2014|
Na wa oo.
The bible never indicated clearly whether Jesus was married or not.
And you're here claiming that it is all a lie.
So on what if the veracity of your claim based?
And you're even talking about marriage as though it would have been a very evil and despicable thing if Jesus got married.
O jikwa unu, ndi otu Kristi.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by monickerless: 7:54am On Nov 30, 2014|
justaqad:Silly posts makes you UNWISE
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by italo: 8:56am On Nov 30, 2014|
Yay! This Atheist has made Jesus cease to exist.
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by nobilis: 9:04pm On Nov 30, 2014|
Hmmm. What exactly are you talking about please?
Are you well at all?
Where in all of this thread have I said that Jesus doesn't exist?
You're really pathetic, bro.
From your very first post on this thread, you have not addressed the issue raised. I wonder why you commented in the first place. Maybe you just felt like registering your presence on this thread.
Please, stop quoting me. Ok?
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by italo: 11:22pm On Nov 30, 2014|
Oh! So Jesus exists!
|Re: Jesus' Marriage To Mary The Magdalene Is Fact, Not Fiction by detutu1: 10:49am On Dec 01, 2014|
I don't see the need for arguments here...there is freedom if speech,u decide to accept or reject,yh? we hear different pple trying to dampen the faith of many (evidence of the end time) if you believe Jesus is married, ur choice! If u believe he z not, good! Paul did not say u must b celibate...he 'advices' ...neither did he say a married man not 'meet' his wife but to give room for spiritual growth...I won't quote The Holy Book here...since insults are rampant in a place we claim to v 'religious' pple yet say something else, let's read the Word of God well and not sin against our Creator...please!
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