thegoodjoehunt3:
In that last game, we out played South Africa. We had more possession and more shots. You cherish the South African play and call ours dull despite the fact we played better than them.

thegoodjoehunt3:
We won two of our last three games and lost none. That shows a trend in growing strength. Look at the conditions and the quality of players he works with. Please do not say Osaze. He was on the bench for Cardiff that got relegated and was fighting to join a relegating QPR. That is one of the star players.

We out played and out possessed South Africa who were one of the best teams in the qualifiers. If Coach Keshi is as poor as you guys claim, how could he do this?

tuffgongjo:
Two of the last three doesn't answer my question bro.
Are they not the players he invited?or are their no player that would have made the qualification possible if he hasn't being so full of himself?.

thegoodjoehunt3:
It is not as easy as you make it. Look at Uche for instance. He looks spectacular for Villarreal. However, he came in am could not score in open play. So the talk of a player or players ensuring we qualify is not a guarantee.

tuffgongjo:
Do you expect him to come inn$fit in after how many months away?

thegoodjoehunt3:
So, do not expect every player on your wish list to come in and just fit in. Remember, Martins against Kenya?

naijanoni:

"Cerrero is a regular for ajax".
Lol
So are u trying to say south-africa has more talents than nigeria ?.
If the team keshi used was full of bench'warmers,then only keshi should be blamed,because nobody chose players for him.
He prefered to select unthinkable bench-warmers,even from some of the worst leagues in d world over players that were playing regular club football.
Even the WEAK team keshi used during the qualifiers was far better in terms of individual players than south-africa or any other team in our group.
Apart from serrero which other SA player plays regularly for a top club ??.
SA's top scorer rantie(the guy that destroyed our defence)is a bench-warmer in championship side AFC bournmouth.
Keshi is both at fault for not selecting the best possible talents,and not making good use of the ones he invited.
So dont use mumu excuses to defend keshi.
From your posts it is obvious that u are VERY sentimental.
Try to be objective at times.

tuffgongjo:
That doesn't mean when a coach fails he shouldn't take the exit,that is one who has self dignity.

watchindelta:
because Villarreal gat team work with good tactical coach n does not play kick n follow football. even gv messI to Stephen Kate, messI will be useless. no team work no team.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Ajax has won the last four of the Eredivisie League title. They are a top European club. Respected by great clubs. Serero is a top player there. Which of our top players is a regular in a top club? None. Face it, our football decayed until Coach Keshi came.

Our league is not as developed as that of the South Africans. They are reaping the reward of their hard work.

There is no need talking too much. Write out your top eleven that Coach Keshi would have called who are starters in top clubs.

naijanoni:

Aside serrero all other south-african players either play in d psl or are bench-warmers in some poor european clubs.You cant compare with nigeria.
On serrero and ajax u've shouting about........
The eredivisie is currently ranked as the 9th best league in europe having dipped in quality in recent years.
Ajax presently is no better than cska moscow,ahmed musa's club.
The russian league is currently ranked as the 5th best league in europe even ahead of the french ligue 1 and far ahead of 9th placed eredivisie.
And cska moscow with ahmed musa have won the league title consecutively in d the last 3 seasons.
And musa has been one of their best players,scoring for fun.
Because ajax are champions in an average league and go to d UCL to make up numbers doesn't mean they are a bigger club than mid-table epl clubs newcastle(sammy ameobi) or stoke city(Moses).
Rantie is south africa's top striker,a bench-warmer for AFC bournemouth in d championship.
Can u compare with Uche who is d top striker for villarreal a top 6 team in d la liga ??.Scored
14 goals last season,5 so far dis season.
Or Abiola dauda vitesse's top striker ?
The following players have been playing regularly to an extent this season and would have added something to our team if they were invited:-

Leon Balogun-Darmsadt
Nedum Onuoha-QPR
Joel Obi-Inter Milan
Sammy Ameobi-Newcastle
Abiola dauda-vitesse
Chinedu Obasi-Schalke 04
Victor Moses-Stoke city
Ramon azeez-Almeria(if used in his right position)

Can u pls List only 4 south-african players(regular or bench-warmer) in any of the the top 4 leagues in europe(EPL,Bundesliga,La liga,Serie A) ?
You've only been shouting serrero,sererro !

thegoodjoehunt3:


Look at the list of Club ranking. CSKA is not in the top 50. Before you put CSKA over Ajax. I said we do not even have a regular starter in one of the top clubs. Even South Africa (Which I rate poorly) has a starter in Ajax. This shows how lonely we have fallen. So trying to prove South Africa is a poor team shows my point.

If South Africa is so poor, how come they can develop their local league to help their team grow and we can not.

Our problem is beyond Coach Keshi.
http://footballdatabase.com/ranking/world/1

naijanoni:

AJAX is NOT A TOP CLUB.Ajax is an average club and so is cska moscow and others.
That is some shit unrecognized ranking.If the ranking is not from FIFA or UEFA then its shit.
Mention 4 south-african players playing in any of the top 5 leagues in europe.
So serrero is the only south-african player u know ?

thegoodjoehunt3:
Musa, Aluko, Mikel, Emenike, Mba, Babatunde have had amazing games under Coach Keshi. Your point does not add up.

watchindelta:
bro if u be coach u will worst than Stephen Kate aba. does players u names are all network player aba. am even talking of team work, u dey yarn of dem playing well under Kate without team work strange! really rare.

thegoodjoehunt3:
You meant due to Coach Keshi's poor coaching, Messi would look poor playing for Him.

How come players like Mikel and Aluko, who are not spectacular play better and look promising? These players look better playing for Coach Keshi than their clubs.

It shows Coach Keshi's coaching is not as poor as you think.

naijanoni:

Aside serrero all other south-african players either play in d psl or are bench-warmers in some poor european clubs.You cant compare with nigeria.
On serrero and ajax u've shouting about........
The eredivisie is currently ranked as the 9th best league in europe having dipped in quality in recent years.
Ajax presently is no better than cska moscow,ahmed musa's club.
The russian league is currently ranked as the 5th best league in europe even ahead of the french ligue 1 and far ahead of 9th placed eredivisie.
And cska moscow with ahmed musa have won the league title consecutively in d the last 3 seasons.
And musa has been one of their best players,scoring for fun.
Because ajax are champions in an average league and go to d UCL to make up numbers doesn't mean they are a bigger club than mid-table epl clubs newcastle(sammy ameobi) or stoke city(Moses).
Rantie is south africa's top striker,a bench-warmer for AFC bournemouth in d championship.
Can u compare with Uche who is d top striker for villarreal a top 6 team in d la liga ??.Scored
14 goals last season,5 so far dis season.
Or Abiola dauda vitesse's top striker ?
The following players have been playing regularly to an extent this season and would have added something to our team if they were invited:-

L[b]eon Balogun-Darmsadt
Nedum Onuoha-QPR
Joel Obi-Inter Milan
Sammy Ameobi-Newcastle
Abiola dauda-vitesse
Chinedu Obasi-Schalke 04
Victor Moses-Stoke city
Ramon azeez-Almeria(if used in his right position)[/b]

Can u pls List only 4 south-african players(regular or bench-warmer) in any of the the top 4 leagues in europe(EPL,Bundesliga,La liga,Serie A) ?
You've only been shouting serrero,sererro !

watchindelta:
so mike n Aluko playing promising under Kate? because he score two goals? am talking of team work not individuals skills.

thegoodjoehunt3:
Coach Del Bosque had a terrible World Cup with some of the best talents. However, he was retained. Coach Keshi does not have on regular star in a top club playing for him. How do you want him to perform?

Even Cerero of South Africa is a regular for Ajax.

By the way, can you point where I compared Coach Keshi to Coach Del Bosque.

I just pointed out a federation that continued with a coach despite poor results.

Goke7:


you guys have come again calling all sort of names of players that are below average, that is how u guys advocated for uche until he came eventually and played poo for us against south africa, I thought players like azeez and moses played in the world cup where they made mockery of the game, balogun played in a friendly and just a push almost made the guy a cripple, you think leon balogun would have survived congo and sudan without breaking his leg again, Joel obi and obasi are too injury prone to play for the eagles and keshi has explained this so many times despite his admiration for the players, he said same thing for moses and he has been justified with moses being ruled out till next year, has sammy ameobi switched his allegiance to Nigeria formally? and who is responsible for that? is it the coach?

Please if you are being misinformed by sports journalists, please don't come here to misinform others, even if all these players were available, they are not as excellent as we think and not better than the players that failed to qualify for afcon.

I continue to reiterate my position that this generation of Nigerian players are the least talented we've ever had, anybody thinking we have players out there is either not sincere or ignorant and is misinforming Nigerians

akinsadeez:



I don't agree with this your point at all. Del Bosque lost at the WORLD CUP to NETHERLANDS. One, the world cup as a tournament is simply light years away from African nations cup qualifiers.... how u wan compare them sef

2. Spain lost woefully to Netherlands. Keshi lost to SUDAN!!!!. Do I have to repeat that again for you to know how absurd it sounds? This same Sudan lost all their remaining matches in the group without exception. Every other team defeated them both home and away.

3. At least one can say that Spain lost at the world cup which is played at a neutral venue. Keshi lost to Congo in Nigeria, and then he could not defeat south Africa again in Nigeria for us to qualify.

4.) There is a sensible explanation for Spain's loss which is that every Era comes to an end inevitably. Spain under Del bosque have dominated international soccer since around 2008. They have won the world cup and even defended the euros. This last world cup brought the era of those players to an end.
Now tell me what excuse does Keshi have? We were supposed to just start our own era of domination. Now we are back to square one.[/b

keshi does not deserve that contract. The most infuriating part of it is that he got a pay rise. A pay rise for such glaring display of ineptitude. smh

jobsat34:


to buttress your point sir, Mikel obi once said (in 2010 or so) that the super eagles comprise of average team player and people shouldn't place too much hope on them.. there were serious bashes from various media houses on mikel just because he was saying the truth..
you can have a bad/average players, but you only need a tested and trusted world class coach to turn them to a top class professional "TEAM".

Goke7:


you see our problem, we easily make excuses for the failure of our so called favourite Nations, but castigate ours at every slight mistake. Spain failed at the world cup because they decided to stick to their aging players cos of past glory where they had emerging young stars from real and athletico madrid, what do you expect from players like torres, aging xavi and iniesta whose hunger for the game has nosedived. De Bosque goofed big time but you guys will not bash him because he's white skin. The Spanish FA knows this and that's why they've left him knowing its not his fault entirely.

Keshi came and brought up hungry players into our team and got immediate success, yet we castigated him and started campaigning for him to bring back old and tired legs all in the name of experience with likes of yobo, uche and martins, some were even calling for the likes of taiwo and yakubu sef. Keshi decided to compromise to keep his job by inviting some of these old hags and what do we have now, back to square zero and you think I will join you to bash keshi and make excuses for Des bosque.

My brother Let's be objective for once!

akinsadeez:



@the bolded. I am surprised someone can assert that we are criticising keshi because he is black. That is utter and complete bunkum! You really need to remove your racist mentality and view things objectively. People like you will leave the real issues and start playing the race card. Nowhere in my comment did I refer to keshi or del bosque's race.

Now to the issue. The level of Del bosque's achievement with Spain 'entitles' him to be given benefit of the doubt. Note the word entitles. This is a man who has won virtually everything a coach can win in international football. This is a man who has constantly and consistently delivered for years. Please tell me if keshi can compare. what achievements (note the s) does keshi have to entitle him being given a new contract and a pay rise?

In fact you av not addressed my points;
1. can u compare losing to Netherlands to losing to Sudan?
2. can u compare being beaten in the world cup to being beaten in an african nations cup qualifier?

If keshi has achieved half of del bosque's achievement with Nigeria as a coach, I will gladly campaign for him to continue. Keshi is tactically clueless and we need a better coach.

akinsadeez:



I don't agree with this your point at all. Del Bosque lost at the WORLD CUP to NETHERLANDS. One, the world cup as a tournament is simply light years away from African nations cup qualifiers.... how u wan compare them sef

2. Spain lost woefully to Netherlands. Keshi lost to SUDAN!!!!. Do I have to repeat that again for you to know how absurd it sounds? This same Sudan lost all their remaining matches in the group without exception. Every other team defeated them both home and away.

3. At least one can say that Spain lost at the world cup which is played at a neutral venue. Keshi lost to Congo in Nigeria, and then he could not defeat south Africa again in Nigeria for us to qualify.

4.) There is a sensible explanation for Spain's loss which is that every Era comes to an end inevitably. Spain under Del bosque have dominated international soccer since around 2008. They have won the world cup and even defended the euros. This last world cup brought the era of those players to an end.
Now tell me what excuse does Keshi have? We were supposed to just start our own era of domination. Now we are back to square one.

keshi does not deserve that contract. The most infuriating part of it is that he got a pay rise. A pay rise for such glaring display of ineptitude. smh

Goke7:


I remember when he said that and he was very right but because we've been deceiving ourselves over the years that we have world class players, the media castigated him.

Look here, you can have a world class coach but if the players are not good enough, the coach will still fail, Real madrid, bayern munich and other big sides are doing well not just because of the coaches they have, but because of the excellent players that play for these clubs. Bayern munich has been doing very well before Guardiola came along. Van Gaal had to get players like Di maria and others to turn man fortunes after a string of bad results that also happened under Moyes.

A coach with a bad/average players can't go far, its a fact, there must be at least three or more quality players to make the difference.

akinsadeez:



@the bolded. I am surprised someone can assert that we are criticising keshi because he is black. That is utter and complete bunkum! You really need to remove your racist mentality and view things objectively. People like you will leave the real issues and start playing the race card. Nowhere in my comment did I refer to keshi or del bosque's race.

Now to the issue. The level of Del bosque's achievement with Spain 'entitles' him to be given benefit of the doubt. Note the word entitles. This is a man who has won virtually everything a coach can win in international football. This is a man who has constantly and consistently delivered for years. Please tell me if keshi can compare. what achievements (note the s) does keshi have to entitle him being given a new contract and a pay rise?

In fact you av not addressed my points;
1. can u compare losing to Netherlands to losing to Sudan?
2. can u compare being beaten in the world cup to being beaten in an african nations cup qualifier?

If keshi has achieved half of del bosque's achievement with Nigeria as a coach, I will gladly campaign for him to continue. Keshi is tactically clueless and we need a better coach.