AlBaqir:


Empiree it is to say you are not Sunni or Shia but who do you follow in most of your practices e.g wudu?

Fundamentalist:


And that shows how confused he is, while you're no different. Shi'ism gave birth to Sufism. Let me educate you a little. Aqeedah of Shi'ism and Sufism believe Allah is not above His throne, rather, they say He is everywhere, where was Allah before creating the heavens and earth

Also the so called batiniya knowledge, claiming there is hidden knowledge only your shuyuks and imams can know? That's absurd, knowledge in Islam is very open nothing is hidden


I ONLY COMMENT WHEN NECCESSARY, UNLIKE THE TWO CONFUSIONISTS ABOVE ME

Empiree:
Ogbeni, kindly sit down for side. I am not confused about anything. Any muslim can maintain Sunni standard without calling himself or herself Sunni. Get that fact right. The reasn for that is very simple. There is nothing in the Quran or Hadith where it's authentically said this one is Sunni or Shia. Now dont give me silly terminolgy like they do "salafi".

Prior to year 2000, largely all nigerian muslims and even many parts of the world do not know any differece btw sunni or shia nor did they call themselves by that until recent yrs. The whole name calling thing emerged from middle east and Arab countries. Even Tbaba1234, despite his apparent sunni practices never called himself sunni. The whole idea behind that is to simply stay out of sectarian rubbish. So stop this nonsense of yours.

On aqeeda you keep talking about, that's another rubbish you spewing. Allah is above His Throne. This is creed of ALL Musims. Everyone is thought this simply taweed growing up. It's in recent yrs some idiots causing trouble over aqeeda. And by ssaying Allah is 'everywhere' does not mean in person.. The mosques I frequent are alhusunnahwajamah and salafi. And everyone prays there including sufis. I remember imam, who is also salafi said during khutba that Allah is everywhere by His Knowledge. So is he shia or sufi for saying that?. Again, this is another simple aqeeda we were taught growing up. It's not about sects. It's aqeeda of every muslim. Allah is indeed everywhere by His Knowledge NOT by His Ownself. That's it.

But bcus you have this crazy sectarian blood in you, it's driving you crazy and affecting your sense of reasoning. I have told you and your boys before that you guys dont know how to listen to others.

On ilm batin, whether you like it or not, it exist. What you dont know you dont know. Quran and hadith make it clear we human and Jinn only know little bit. Quran even hints us in Sura Imran (i believe) that there are learned scholars who know beyond average muslims. If you dont know something, simply humble yourself and learn from people rather than creating nuisance on net. I swear by Allah there exist ilm beyond text. Problem however is it's not guarded. Therefore this create every Tom, Dick and Harry to say whatever they want.

The way old Ulama used to do it was great compare to now. And just because some mureed do or say silly things does not make ilm batin false. So who schools who now?

Fundamentalist:


My friend the only thing I can learn from you are deviant ideas and innovations. And I can't stomach it because I have been an integral part of it before I discovered guidance, ahl sunnah wal jamma


By the way, your brother in deviation is not going to be happy about your statement, about Allah being above and beyond His creation

Empiree:
^Wudu part got me rolling my eyes.

Sunni wash feet

Shia wipe feet

Is there any fundamental distinction at all or we are just playing linguistic games here?. Sunni do not 'wash' feet with sponge and soap. To me there is no difference between WASH & WIPE in this context. Both use water only. I am sure there are Sunni who simply wipe their feet as well. So this is no issue at all.

Yes, it's true and easy to say one doesn't belong to any faction but in practical sense it's. The reason for saying I don't belong to one is simply for the sake of staying out of sectarianism or sectarian conflicts.

As for two things left behind by the Prophet(SAW), that's just not issue for me either. As far as I'm concern both are same thing. Sunni have their version which says QURAN & SUNNAH. Shia say QURAN & AHL-AL BAYT.

Well, al-BAYT are people of Quran and sunnah as well, isn't? . I'm just trying to spot the real difference be the two. Sometimes, both Sunni and Shia are simply playing duff with religion.

Empiree:
[size=15pt]What is Tasawwuf ?[/size]

Good character and awareness of God. That's all Tasawwuf is. And nothing more.

What is Tasawwuf ? Love and affection. It is the cure for hatred and vengeance. And nothing more.

What is Tasawwuf ? The heart attaining tranquility - which is the root of religion. And nothing more.

What is Tasawwuf ? Concentrating your mind, which is the religion of Ahmad (peace be upon him). And nothing more.

What is Tasawwuf ? Contemplation that travels to the Divine throne. It is a far-seeing gaze. And nothing more.

Tasawwuf is keeping one's distance from imagination and supposition. Tasawwuf is found in certainty. And nothing more. Surrendering one's soul to the care of the inviolability of religion; this is Tasawwuf. And nothing more.

Tasawwuf is the path of faith and affirmation of unity; this is the incorruptible religion. And nothing more.

Tasawwuf is the smooth and illuminated path. It is the way to the most exalted paradise. And nothing more.

I have heard that the ecstasy of the wearers of wool comes from finding the taste of religion. And nothing more.

Tasawwuf is nothing but Shari'at. It is just this clear road. And nothing more.

Fundamentalist:



The meaning of the above is insinuating that at tassawwuf is all together a different religion from the Islam we know. VERY PATHETIC.


I will keep it in mind

Empiree:
What's Islam? What's Ihsan?, What's Iman?

"I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf means indifference to what is with people and yearning for that which is with God. And I am a sufi only if tasawwuf signifies the unveiling of unseen realities and inspired knowledge of God the Creator". ~ Sheik Adam


Shaykh al-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah on Sufis and Taṣawwuf
By Shaykh Abu Humayd


The following is an excerpt from the passages of Majmu’ al-Fatawa Li-Ibni Taymiyyah (Rahimahullah).

The following is to educate people on what is Tasawwuf and Sufism; because many misconception have been floating around lately ‘refuting’ Sufis and Tasawwuf by those (funnily enough) who hold Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah in very high esteem. Enough mis-information has been passed around the globe trying to taint Tasawwuf but Insha-Allah in the words of a Shaykh al-Islam (according to them) would the tainting of Tasawwuf be repudiated, Insha-Allah.
https://ahlalbidah./2014/02/20/shaykh-al-islam-ibn-taymiyyah-on-sufis-and-ta%E1%B9%A3awwuf/

On Ibn Tayyimiyah and Ibn Baz's view's on Sufism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od2rwGwwj3E

In this video, Ibn Baz is said to be "confused" about Sufism. He refereed to Ibn Tayyimiyah(RT), who gave his fair view on sufis. Now, if your scholars gave unbiased view on sufism, who the heck is fundamentalist, unbridled ignorant to assume "at-tassawuf" (Ihsan) is innovation or a new religion?.

Sheik Imran Hussein on Tassawuf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie4YV0PTQ50

Fundamentalist, honestly you need to stick your head in between your legs and be quiet.

Fundamentalist:


I will not be asked which scholar I followed in the grave or hereafter, but rather which prophet I followed. I guess you know the answer?


This is what makes tassawwuf different from mainstream islam

Fundamentalist:


I will not be asked which scholar I followed in the grave or hereafter, but rather which prophet I followed. I guess you know the answer?


This is what makes tassawwuf different from mainstream islam

Empiree:
See, zionists see themselves as the elites of mankind, therefore they become arrogant people. They see rest of mankind ("gentiles" ) as subhuman. This is the same way some muslims behave. They think they are better than others.
Is there anything in the article and the videos, especially second video to suggest that "tassawuf" a.k.a ihsan is not Islam? . Second video perfectly gives clues. You are what a sheik called "protestant Islam".

Smh for u.

Fundamentalist:


Sorry my friend, I'm not your match cause I don't respond to insults.


it's not our manhaj

AlBaqir:


Here! Wonders shall never end. You sheikul Islam, the king and user of insultive and abusive vulgar word calling somebody black?!
You are indeed the follower of your masters, Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdulwahab.

Fundamentalist:


You have to prove me wrong with my statements, were i engage in insulting or abusing people.

Aareonakakanfo:




Brother, I tell you this guy is something else. I still regret wasting my precious time on him

Aareonakakanfo:




Brother, I tell you this guy is something else. I still regret wasting my precious time on him

Aareonakakanfo:




Brother, I tell you this guy is something else. I still regret wasting my precious time on him