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Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 4:25pm On Dec 13, 2014
Of the hottest discussions among mainstream Muslim clerics today is Shari'ah. For overwhelming majority of Muslims, shari'ah is an immutable, divine and utopian law that must precede over all the affairs of mankind. In this light, orthodox Muslims promote shari'ah and enforce it.

In most Muslim countries, shari'ah is actually the national constitution like Iran or markedly modifies the constitution in secular states like Turkey. To realize the significance of shari'ah to mainstream orthodox Muslims, one only need to see how strong the campaign for shari'ah has been in the Muslim minority Western world. The Islamist insurgencies whether ISIS or Boko Haram always insist that full implementation of Shari'ah is their major goal.

Despite these, very few orthodox Muslims can discuss shari'ah, it sources and decrees. If they do, then over 50% of them wouldn't even be advocating it in the first place.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 4:28pm On Dec 13, 2014
The aim of this paper is to critically analyze Shari'ah and prove that Shari'ah is far from a just, humane and equity law that can better substitute secular laws. It will be proved that those proposing Shari'ah are greatly robbed of their brain; either their reasoning or conscience. We "ll be treating only Shari'ah penal code for apostasy, adultery and theft.

However, it is essential to briefly to cover the sources of Shari'ah law before delving proper into the topic.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 4:31pm On Dec 13, 2014
SOURCES OF SHARI'AH

A. QUR'AN
This is the mother Book in Islam, the only legacy of the messenger of God left after his death. Hence, it is the only definite source of Islamic legislation. But ironically, less than 5% of Shari'ah emanate from the Qur'an and even then, this 5% can only losely be classed as Qur'anic due to distortion by clergy.

2. HADITH
These are oral traditions compiled 150-400 years after the messenger and said to explain the Qur'an. These traditions constitute over 70% of Shari'ah. Although it is regarded secondary and not as definite as the Qur'an, orthodox Muslim sages have espoused that it abrogate verses of the Qur'an.



3. IJMA
This is concensus of the scholars of the previous generations, particularly the first 2-3 generations after the messenger. There are two major sects of orthodox Islam; Sunnis and Shiites. Each sect has her schools of law that seek to interprete and broaden the laws in the Qur'an and Hadith. Consequently, these schools of law derive additional laws that constitute about 20% of Shari'ah.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 4:33pm On Dec 13, 2014
APOSTASY

According to Shari'ah, a Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed. Some scholars opin that he should first be demanded to repent while others insist no repentance is acceptable and the apostate must be killed outright. This is in line with the following Hadith(oral tradition);

Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

---Sahih Bukhari 9:83:17

Contrary to the deceptive claims of apologists, apostates do not have to declare their disbelief, proselytize or oppose Muslims to be executed under Shari'ah. That is why the Shari'ah court of Sudan detained and sentenced Mariam Ibrahim to death exclusively for apostasy earlier this year.

Death for apostasy is the most controversial side of Shari'ah. To kill a man for changing his belief is not only cultish and violate basic human rights but contradict God 's principle of freedom of beliefs through out the scriptures.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 4:37pm On Dec 13, 2014
Worst still, a Muslim doesn't have to admit to apostasy before he is condemned by the clerics. For instance, according to the schools of law of orthodox Islam, refusal to perform Salat beyond 3 days amount to apostasy and the offender may be executed. Denying certain tenets of orthodox Islam, opposing the clerics could earn you apostasy and execution under Shari'ah.

Despite no justification for this oppressive law in the scriptures, despite the Qur'an insistence on no compulsion in religious matters, mainstream Muslim clerics and scholars can reject the penalty of death for apostasy.

In secular states like US or Nigeria, apostates are seldom killed thanks to secular laws preceding beyond Shari'ah. In Shari'ah states like Saudi A. or Iran, apostates are killed.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 4:39pm On Dec 13, 2014
Sharia is good, it is a law that put people in check, the problem is how it is applied. for example a sharia personnel must be a scientist, he must have studied a whole rage of subjects for not less than 25 to 40 years. example. a good sharia personnel would not say, kill prostitutes, no he won't, he would address first the work and duty of the woman in the society, he would ensure that the men in the society keep their responsibility to the society and their family. when all that is proper, then any protitute and her customer and love-vendor must be brought to justice.
A good sharia personnel will not suddenly stop a man that drinks 8 bottles of beer everyday, that is killing the man, the purpose now will be to save the man by helping him spiritually to stop drinking by reducing the beer, like, make the man start drinking 6 bottle for a whole month, then reduce to five, then to 4 till he can do without the beers, it might take 6 to 9 months. this is how sharia can clean up a whole country, plus also remove officials stealing public funds. sharia is science and mathematics.

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Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 4:39pm On Dec 13, 2014
To be continued...
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by fr3do(m): 4:51pm On Dec 13, 2014
This sharia is plain oppressive and self centred, death is prescribed to those who leave your religion but you seek to draw people from other religions to yours, will you get converts if other religions killed?

Is it just me or does Islam need a serious reform?
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by fr3do(m): 4:58pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
Sharia is good, it is a law that put people in check, the problem is how it is applied. for example a sharia personnel must be a scientist, he must have studied a whole rage of subjects for not less than 25 to 40 years. example. a good sharia personnel would not say, kill prostitutes, no he won't, he would address first the work and duty of the woman in the society, he would ensure that the men in the society keep their responsibility to the society and their family. when all that is proper, then any protitute and her customer and love-vendor must be brought to justice.
A good sharia personnel will not suddenly stop a man that drinks 8 bottles of beer everyday, that is killing the man, the purpose now will be to save the man by helping him spiritually to stop drinking by reducing the beer, like, make the man start drinking 6 bottle for a whole month, then reduce to five, then to 4 till he can do without the beers, it might take 6 to 9 months. this is how sharia can clean up a whole country, plus also remove officials stealing public funds. sharia is science and mathematics.

This sharia leads to hypocrisy, one can only be 'checked' when they are open to observation, can't that man drink beer in his house where he will not be seen?

Drop sharia, embrace secularity with fair laws and morals!

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Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 5:13pm On Dec 13, 2014
well, it is ok, maybe for a person to drink beer a bottle in his house, but what if he over drinks it and begins to mishandle another person's life in his own house? is it that time you would say "arrest him"? after somebody must have been raped or beaten to death. i use to be a drinker, heavy one for a short period of time, a drinker can never drink alone in his house, he must find a group to misbehave with.

there may be hypocrisy in the system, infact hypocrites are far worst than non-believers (that is why you must know that muslims will never force anybody into its religion conturary to what you see and hear on tv). A sharia personnel is schooled and educated extremely well, infact they can be called scientist. do we have them today? yes but never allowed in power.

In order to say anything about secularism, one must first understand what religion is and what it actually has been, bringing out the truth and killing the falsehood that surrounds the whole idea of religion.


fr3do:


This sharia leads to hypocrisy, one can only be 'checked' when they are open to observation, can't that man drink beer in his house where he will not be seen?

Drop sharia, embrace secularity with fair laws and morals!

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Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by fr3do(m): 5:32pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
well, it is ok, maybe for a person to drink beer a bottle in his house, but what if he over drinks it and begins to mishandle another person's life in his own house? is it that time you would say "arrest him"? after somebody must have been raped or beaten to death. i use to be a drinker, heavy one for a short period of time, a drinker can never drink alone in his house, he must find a group to misbehave with.

there may be hypocrisy in the system, infact hypocrites are far worst than non-believers (that is why you must know that muslims will never force anybody into its religion conturary to what you see and hear on tv). A sharia personnel is schooled and educated extremely well, infact they can be called scientist. do we have them today? yes but never allowed in power.

In order to say anything about secularism, one must first understand what religion is and what it actually has been, bringing out the truth and killing the falsehood that surrounds the whole idea of religion.




What can a sharia personnel give to society that a well mannered intelligent man can't?
Take it from me, apart from the morals and values religion propagates (which family and good association can imbibe into ones life), whats left of religion is ritual and culture that limits man kind.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 6:02pm On Dec 13, 2014
Religion is far more than culture, or ritual as you say. Religion is mathematics and science, any outside that is an opiate to enslave the mind. The whiteman calls it religion, i don't know another name for it yet. to really understand this religion thing, One must understand GOD. the bible tells us about the creation, but refuses to share information about the creator, do you think they do not know? if we all know and have the knowledge of the reality of GOD, all the churches will remain openned but the pastors in them will have to take another job. if you are familiar with the bible or quran, was there ever a time when GOD sent more than one prophet for a particular period of time? so where do we get all this pastors coming from? so in short, when we understand GOD, religion will be clearly understood.

A well MANNERED intelligent man is the same as a RIGHTEOUS intelligent man. is different from an intelligent man. Our nigerian politicians and all of the politician worldwide are intelligent men. see the world my brother.

fr3do:



What can a sharia personnel give to society that a well mannered intelligent man can't?
Take it from me, apart from the morals and values religion propagates (which family and good association can imbibe into ones life), whats left of religion is ritual and culture that limits man kind.

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Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by fr3do(m): 6:50pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
Religion is far more than culture, or ritual as you say. Religion is mathematics and science, any outside that is an opiate to enslave the mind. The whiteman calls it religion, i don't know another name for it yet. to really understand this religion thing, One must understand GOD. the bible tells us about the creation, but refuses to share information about the creator, do you think they do not know? if we all know and have the knowledge of the reality of GOD, all the churches will remain openned but the pastors in them will have to take another job. if you are familiar with the bible or quran, was there ever a time when GOD sent more than one prophet for a particular period of time? so where do we get all this pastors coming from? so in short, when we understand GOD, religion will be clearly understood.

A well MANNERED intelligent man is the same as a RIGHTEOUS intelligent man. is different from an intelligent man. Our nigerian politicians and all of the politician worldwide are intelligent men. see the world my brother.


You don't need to go to Church or Mosque to learn mathematics and science.
Politicians are intelligent but not righteous, in the sense that they lack values.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 7:03pm On Dec 13, 2014
Originally, mosque or church is a place where people gather to discuss the development, growth and also vice of their societies. But also prayer became required since the release of the devil.
i told you about the reality of GOD, also we must have the true knowledge of the devil. They only had to pray against devil because the knowledge of the devil was not know, also if one understands the reality of GOD and how he works, then one would understand why it took time before GOD revealled who devil was.
now there is sharia in some places who cut off people's hand when they steal, what should we call those in some places that lynch straight those that steal bread because they are hungry? those are not sharia.

fr3do:


You don't need to go to Church or Mosque to learn mathematics and science.
Politicians are intelligent but not righteous, in the sense that they lack values.

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Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by MrPresident1: 9:26pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
Religion is far more than culture, or ritual as you say. Religion is mathematics and science, any outside that is an opiate to enslave the mind. The whiteman calls it religion, i don't know another name for it yet. to really understand this religion thing, One must understand GOD. the bible tells us about the creation, but refuses to share information about the creator, do you think they do not know? if we all know and have the knowledge of the reality of GOD, all the churches will remain openned but the pastors in them will have to take another job. if you are familiar with the bible or quran, was there ever a time when GOD sent more than one prophet for a particular period of time? so where do we get all this pastors coming from? so in short, when we understand GOD, religion will be clearly understood.

A well MANNERED intelligent man is the same as a RIGHTEOUS intelligent man. is different from an intelligent man. Our nigerian politicians and all of the politician worldwide are intelligent men. see the world my brother.


Perhaps rather than religion, you should say faith. Faith is scientific, mathematical, even though God cannot be boxed into an equation. Religion thrives on the ignorance of the people.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by fr3do(m): 9:31pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
Originally, mosque or church is a place where people gather to discuss the development, growth and also vice of their societies. But also prayer became required since the release of the devil.
i told you about the reality of GOD, also we must have the true knowledge of the devil. They only had to pray against devil because the knowledge of the devil was not know, also if one understands the reality of GOD and how he works, then one would understand why it took time before GOD revealled who devil was.
now there is sharia in some places who cut off people's hand when they steal, what should we call those in some places that lynch straight those that steal bread because they are hungry? those are not sharia.


As a Christian I'm more concerned about knowing God not the devil. Well, times have changed, no one discusses science in places of worship anymore.
Jungle justice, which itself is a social vice.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 9:45pm On Dec 13, 2014
When GOD says right, the devil comes back around to say its left. but then this devil can always come in form of GOD and one won't even notice or know. there is this verse of the bible when the son of man came to GOD, in JOB, and GOD asked satan whence you came from, he said he is walking to and fro looking for whom to devour (devour has many meaning more than just kill). the thing is the son of men never knew they were walking around with the devil. it shows that the devil is a person. pay attention brother, look at the world activities, you will see them clearly. once a devil is known, freedom comes in and ofcourse with it striving.


fr3do:


As a Christian I'm more concerned about knowing God not the devil. Well, times have changed, no one discusses science in places of worship anymore.
Jungle justice, which itself is a social vice.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 9:48pm On Dec 13, 2014
yes! faith, you are right, thankyou , i haven't used that word "faith" in a longtime.
MrPresident1:


Perhaps rather than religion, you should say faith. Faith is scientific, mathematical, even though God cannot be boxed into an equation. Religion thrives on the ignorance of the people.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by mumumugu(m): 10:08pm On Dec 13, 2014
Move to muslim sectionn
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by Weah96: 10:27pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
well, it is ok, maybe for a person to drink beer a bottle in his house, but what if he over drinks it and begins to mishandle another person's life in his own house? is it that time you would say "arrest him"?



Endangering someone's life is a CRIME. It's already a CRIME under secular laws. Sharia Law adds ANOTHER crime to the list, alcohol consumption.

Drunk people who beat their wives in the US go to jail for beating their wives. Just like sober people who beat their wives.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 10:43pm On Dec 13, 2014
ADULTERY

We admit that adultery is a grave offense that leads to broken homes, unwanted pregnancies and health infections. It is however too much of a stretch to justify stoning adulterers on ground that it serves as a powerful deterent for potential adulterers. Yet this is a decree of Shari'ah derived from Hadith;

Sahih Muslim
Book Of Punishment

'Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported that 'Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 10:46pm On Dec 13, 2014
Individuals of married status are stoned to death for adultery under Shari'ah states and this has been in effect in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and most of the Muslim world.

When you consider the argument for stoning adulterers, it mainly cashes on the high level of infidelity or promiscuity in regions where adulterers are not stoned, like the West. Of course, this may seem to have won the Shari'ah advocates a point, but it really has not. There are a thousand and one ways to fix a fault. Infidelity and promiscuity may be minimized by more humane and bloodless measures beside stoning.

The level of promiscuity and marital infidelity may be alarming in the West, but this is rather due to the fact that adulterers are not brought to book, not because adulterers are not stoned.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 10:47pm On Dec 13, 2014
If the Shari'ah advocate continue to proffer stoning adulterers as a measure to minimize infidelity or promiscuity in secular societies like the West, perhaps we may demand the abolishment of stoning adulterers in Shari'ah states as a step in eradicating honor killings.

If you look at most Muslim communities over the World, particular the Shari'ah compliant ones, honor killing is a typical trend. Confront any Muslim in such communities about the draconian stoning penalty for adultery, their response never change. They insist on stoning adulterers because in their understanding, adultery is so corrupting and filthy that the only way to purge it from the society or expiate the sin of the adulterers is by stoning them to death.

This dogmatic and superstitious view on adultery in turn generated rejection and stigmatization of whatever they consider near to adultery, like ladies having boyfriends or chatting online with males. This ultimately lead to honor killings.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 10:50pm On Dec 13, 2014
Speaking from the Qur'anic viewpoint, the stoning of adulterers can be debunked very easily. It is a man-made tradition plagiarized from the Bible and not Islamic. Throughout the narration of the Qur'an, those who stone are always the disbelievers. Never is it mentioned that believers stoned or were commanded to stone anyone.

The penalty for adultery in Islam is flogging a hundred lashes(Qur'an 24:2). Where the adulterers are slaves(as in the middle ages), the penalty(100 lashes) is to be halved(Qur'an 4:25).

Even upon letting aside its absence from the Qur'an, stoning to death cannot be the penalty for adultery because going by the Qur'anic stipulation, it is impractical to halve where the adulterers in question are slaves.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 10:59pm On Dec 13, 2014
yes, but i said another person's life, not just wife.
Weah96:


Endangering someone's life is a CRIME. It's already a CRIME under secular laws. Sharia Law adds ANOTHER crime to the list, alcohol consumption.

Drunk people who beat their wives in the US go to jail for beating their wives. Just like sober people who beat their wives.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 11:18pm On Dec 13, 2014
To be continued....

gatiano! U need to stop trolling
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by usermane(m): 11:27pm On Dec 13, 2014
fr3do:
This sharia is plain oppressive and self centred, death is prescribed to those who leave your religion but you seek to draw people from other religions to yours, will you get converts if other religions killed?

Is it just me or doesn't Islam need a serious reform?

thanks for the reasoning. In a society where apostates are threatened with death, many believers are actually closet disbelievers waiting for the freedom to open up.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by Weah96: 11:28pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
yes, but i said another person's life, not just wife.

Another person like who? An invited guest, a child, an armed robber?
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 11:35pm On Dec 13, 2014
you have accused me wrongly, you need to apologize. and let me know how and where and who i trolled.


usermane:
To be continued....

gatiano! U need to stop trolling
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 11:38pm On Dec 13, 2014
your wife or girl friend can go to visit your friend who may have been very drunk, or even your daughter or mother. (i said that with respect and regards), and it called a nanny, anybody, it could just be any drinking pals. will it not be cool to avoid that? and besides you cut out my post, drinkers don't get drunk at home alone, they must find a companion or a regular place with bunch of people alike.

Weah96:


Another person like who? An invited guest, a child, an armed robber?
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by Weah96: 11:49pm On Dec 13, 2014
gatiano:
your wife or girl friend can go to visit your friend who may have been very drunk, or even your daughter or mother. (i said that with respect and regards), and it called a nanny, anybody, it could just be any drinking pals. will it not be cool to avoid that? and besides you cut out my post, drinkers don't get drunk at home alone, they must find a companion or a regular place with bunch of people alike.


You're not getting my point. A crime is already a CRIME. Assaulting someone is a CRIME, alcohol or no alcohol.
Re: Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery by gatiano(m): 12:12am On Dec 14, 2014
higher with alcohol, and with alcohol a reduced sentence, murder without intent. correct me if i'm wrong. that is not the issue. drinking prohibited by sharia is what we are talking about. people who are groom to be sharia judges, officers and lawyer like i said are educated thoroughly. and i accept that such personnel are few in this world.

question: of what good is alcohol? in my own view, only revenue to the government. what other use is there? i was a heavy drinker, beer, vodka, samagon, spirits, expensive when i'm loaded and home made when broke. what use is there in drinking alcohol?

Weah96:


You're not getting my point. A crime is already a CRIME. Assaulting someone is a CRIME, alcohol or no alcohol.

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