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Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 10:57pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
Today I had the pleasure of speaking with some Christian evangelists...the man among them was quite sharp as he always had some kind of rebuttal. We discussed God's purpose for mankind, his intentions for creation and intentions for the future of mankind Now how do one know the intentions of a God, who can't show himself but hides outside existence But this isn't even the point The man said Humans were structured to live forever and not die but sin brought death. Now if we are to believe this tale of Adam and Eve, taking the eating of the fruit as cause for death to humanity, tripping us of immortality...what do we say about animals? Did they sin too? Did they all eat an abominable food? Did the first Cow eat grass on a forbidden area? Did the first star also sin? Like many of you should know...stars die too Look at Nature, everything dies so others can live off it's materials In secondary school, I learnt that the Earth and all those living gain a whole lot from the biomass of dead people, so if people didn't die but only kept procreating like rabbits and chicken, at a point there won't be enough energy to sustain us all and we would all die out eventually But o boy all this wan no reach for a Christian to see the logic...the man still claimed all this I stated are philosophies of men made foolishness by his God(colossians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 1:19-21) How do we get educated people to actually be EDUCATED? 8 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by Nobody: 11:46pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
mtchew!wasted my kilobyte opening this collection of ssshiiTt |
Re: Death And Living Forever by Nobody: 11:50pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
religion and its teachings don't make sense, if not for the fear they inflict on people from childhood no one would give attention to religion. 3 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 11:50pm On Jan 23, 2015 |
"God's purpose for mankind, his intention for creation & future of mankind"- you can never and will never find an answer to this question. Now, Oluwa is involed in this one lol. You see the issues you raised are more of a spiritual phenomenon than physical, and at that, you may not find a proper explanation(in the physical) as to why those things happened the way they did. Why other living organisms die? I think the moment those guys (broke the rule/recieved their curses) was the moment everything else took a new turn, more like a chain reaction. I think it's safe to say their actions changed the course of everything else around them. And again, what if others weren't actually structured to live forever? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Death And Living Forever by PastorOluT(m): 12:29am On Jan 24, 2015 |
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Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 2:04pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
cirmuell: I believe everything we need to know is there in the natural world around us, all we need to do is SEE IT So I can know the creator's purpose for my life, I can know the creator's purpose for anything I set mind to What do u mean by spiritual phenomenon? is Nature a spiritual phenomenon? Before I address the bold, can u provide Bible passages that state this? |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 7:36pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
macof:Goodluck in your quest in finding why you were created.I believe everything we need to know is there in the natural world around us, all we need to do is SEE ITGood luck with that one. |
Re: Death And Living Forever by malvisguy212: 11:07pm On Jan 24, 2015 |
macof:man was created with the BREATH OF GOD, man has soul, the question you should ask is , do animal have soul? Animal don't have soul, they died and return to the dust,but when man died, the soul return to God for judgment and the flesh return to the dust. 1 Like |
Re: Death And Living Forever by PAGAN9JA(m): 12:44am On Jan 25, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Thats st.upid. 4 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by malvisguy212: 8:06am On Jan 25, 2015 |
PAGAN9JA:do animal have soul? |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 8:33am On Jan 25, 2015 |
malvisguy212:No one knows. |
Re: Death And Living Forever by frank317: 9:56am On Jan 25, 2015 |
malvisguy212: And how did u know animals don't have soul? How do you detect soull |
Re: Death And Living Forever by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:52am On Jan 25, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I believe they do. Everything has a driving force. 3 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by iamord(m): 11:21am On Jan 25, 2015 |
malvisguy212:since animals have souls too.. It must return to God too 3 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by iamord(m): 11:22am On Jan 25, 2015 |
PAGAN9JA:animals have soul.. 1 Like |
Re: Death And Living Forever by malvisguy212: 12:59pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
PAGAN9JA:iamlord and pagan9ja Human are unique comperd to animal, human can make moral choice,human were created in the image of God, yes,animal has soul, but there's is different from human. The spirit is that part of humans that is able to love and experience God directly. It is found in no other animal species, since no other species can experience God or form a relationship with Him.it means there soul is different from human. The purpose of us living in this earth,is for us to love God or reject Him,and the purpose of heaven is for thoes who love God to spend eternity with Him, the question is HOW DO PET FEET IN? Throughout the Bible, there is no mention of pets running around in heaven. The only creatures described in heaven are angels and humans. The Bible indicates that God is a spirit. Angels are also spiritual beings. This is why humans take on a spiritual body so that we can be with God and the angels. However, animals are non-spiritual beings. " Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the beast, which goes down to the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:21)" This verse do not say animal don't have soul but there soul is different from human. 1 Like |
Re: Death And Living Forever by GooseBaba: 4:39pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
malvisguy212: This guy, this guy.. Can you kindly reason with your brain for once. Put aside this man made phylosophies called the word of a god. Try observe nature from an objective stand point. Tell me why animals have the same traits as humans. They feel pain, sympathy, empathy, fear, love, hate, anger, survival instinct... The list is endless. Stop subjecting complex issues to primitive thoughts and ideas. Your book does not have intricate details as to why animals have no soul, it simply tells stories and give orders.. 6 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 7:11pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 11:45pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
cirmuell: You didn't answer my questions brother |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 12:09am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212: And what is the purpose of this Breath of God? Is it not to animate? the Bible said in Genesis 2:7 that the breath of God made man a living being. Ask urself, are animals living beings? If Yes then that breath of God that makes man alive makes them alive too. If the Hebrews were too illiterate to figure that simple thing out then must u follow? Genesis 3:19 Man shall return to dust just like all animals, because we were all created from dust ...so where's ur logic coming from? Animals have everything man has...especially a soul 2 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 12:11am On Jan 26, 2015 |
cirmuell: And how do you know humans do? Have u seen a soul? I mean if you don't even know the purpose of a soul how can u know what it possesses and what it doesn't? 1 Like |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 12:16am On Jan 26, 2015 |
cirmuell:Coming from a Christian this is just funny Can you prove Jesus was born of a Virgin? Can you prove Jehovah exists and is the creator of everything? But very importantly...Can you prove Man has a soul? 1 Like |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 12:31am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Lmao now you say animals have souls...dude Watsup with you? Stick to something Ur Bible is poo, look at the world around u and tell me what silly spirit u have that animals don't have? Do u even know the meaning of spirit? 1 Like |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 5:56am On Jan 26, 2015 |
macof:No dude, you're the funny one. That I'm a christian doesn't mean I shouldn't think, ask questions or express myself. * I can't prove them 'cause they're divine phenomenon/being(beyond human grasp) & I chose to believe in them. Your problem is, anything beyond what you can see doesn't exist. Well I respect that, you should respect my opinion too. * You asking me to prove those things is like asking me to prove that wind exist. It's not like it doesn't exist, but can you see it? Now, I asked a question from the people I quoted...you wanna answer for them? 1 Like |
Re: Death And Living Forever by edogho(m): 6:24am On Jan 26, 2015 |
well, from the way its written in the bible, I don't think man was designed to live forever. His living forever is dependent on how long he drinks and eats from the garden hence the "tree of life and river that heals" ish. it's also dependent on his obedient to the one who owns the garden. Simple..... and malvis, pls stop this ur man has a soul talk, the bible made it clear that the first man became a living soul because of d breath that was given him by "HE" not that he was given a soul. MAN IS THE SOUL.. and remember animals and man shares one breath as d bible puts it, some translations use spirit in place of breath... My 2kobo 2 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 6:25am On Jan 26, 2015 |
macof:I know 'cause it's clearly stated in the book, & only that of the human was mentioned(& I chose to believe it). I'm not disputing the possibility of "animals" having a soul, I'm saying if you're so sure they do...prove it!. Or maybe I should ask what an animal is? *I told you you can't find a "physical" explanation to something that involves the spirit. If you don't know the purpose of a soul, that is your problem not mine. Over the years scientists have been trying to trap and examing the human soul, maybe when they finally succeed, you may have the chance to touch "it" or perhaps ask "it" what its purpose is. |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 6:33am On Jan 26, 2015 |
macof:What is your definition of Animal? |
Re: Death And Living Forever by cirmuell(m): 6:39am On Jan 26, 2015 |
macof:What is your question? |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 7:54am On Jan 26, 2015 |
cirmuell:Bold is exactly what christianity request from the world why think, when the Bible can do all the thinking for you? Lol u call belief founded in a book an opinion? Pls come back when you have an actual opinion We feel wind, we see the immediate and direct effects of wind, we also see it when it carries dust and sand and all sorts of things during a storm...so we know it's there Totally incomparable with my 3 questions 2 Likes |
Re: Death And Living Forever by malvisguy212: 8:01am On Jan 26, 2015 |
macof:can animals make moral choice? I don't think so. they lack a spirit, which we humans. have, so that their fate Is different from ours: Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the beast, which goes down to the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:21)1 |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 8:05am On Jan 26, 2015 |
edogho:is ur theory based on the Bible alone? Or something else added to it? Why not give Bible passages let's all learn? |
Re: Death And Living Forever by macof(m): 8:16am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Yes, they make moral choices...I've seen my Dog(RIP) run outside to the bush to urinate knowing it's immoral to urinate in the house She taught her young puppies same too And if they dared try otherwise I didn't need to be the one to dish a punishment What are mothers for? bottomline is they have a spirit, whether different from humans or not is not the point, even gorillas don't have a rat's spirits That verse u quoted doesn't disagree, it actually states "spirit of the beast“ |
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