edogho:

Mind telling me more about some of the experiments on the soul ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faaT-uIuL5k

http://www.robertlanza.com/do-we-have-a-soul-a-scientific-answer/

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/life%20after%20death%20exists.html

edogho:

and what makes Google have d final say on what a soul is?
who be Google sef for d matter?

I only gave him the one that will fit his own concept of soul. He thinks a Soul is nothing but breaths, and is not ready to accept any contrary explanation...you can try explaining to him if you have the time.

cirmuell:
I only gave him the one that will fit his own concept of soul. He thinks a Soul is nothing but breaths, and is not ready to accept any contrary explanation...you can try explaining to him if you have the time.

ok o, u don't even know macof...

cirmuell:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faaT-uIuL5k

http://www.robertlanza.com/do-we-have-a-soul-a-scientific-answer/

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/life%20after%20death%20exists.html

gone through only two links

Second link

Now, to the
amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning
dimly to recognize that those rules make
existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments
above suggest that objects only exist with real
properties if they are observed . The results not
only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that
a part of the mind — the soul — is immortal and
exists outside of space and time.

Incase I'm missing something here, pls tell what was observed for anyone to conclude that man indeed has an immortal soul

From third link

The
research involved 63 patients
that experienced clinical
death. 56 people do not
remember anything of the
period when they were
clinically dead. However,
seven patients had clear
memories of what they felt at
that period. Four of them said
they were overwhelmed with
joy and peace and the time
was running faster. Then they
saw a bright light and saw
mythical creatures that
looked like angels or saints.
They claimed they had been
to another world for some
time and then came back.

It looks like scientists are
very busy with proving
immortality of the soul. The
only thing we can do is
accept that death is only an
interchange station between
the two worlds .

those who've gone through those links pls tell what is the experiment there. Only seven out of sixty three? Smh

Soul in d heart?
I can as well say d soul is in d blood since I've seen a girl who started developing white hairs and wrinkles after blood was donated by her aging father....

I still say MAN IS THE SOUL except e no dey ur bible so and any soul wey sin go kpeme Ezekiel 18:4

edogho:

Now that's d kind of topic I like and will always want to learn more about.
let me start by admitting that I know little on that topic.

one thing I do know and I'm sure of is that there's some kinda SELF that directs our consciousness and it's relations with our soul, by soul I mean US.
I've seen ppl claim to receive visions and hear voices of spiritual ppl while d reality is that they unknowingly are discussing with themselves, not exactly their SELF. example is when a friend of mine who claims to be a pastor like his father, collapsed when the same girl whom he claimed God has said is his future partner broke up with him. when I took him home, his own father still boasted that God told him that d enemy wants one of his child.

Me was just laughing inwardly because if d man hear wetin make his son whom I warned collapse, he no go talk rubbish for my front,
now these raises questions, were they deceiving their followers or themselves?
what makes them so sure the voice is God's because I myself sometimes hear a voice inside me and I believe its same for all men

I've seen animals suffer and die and I sometimes allow my consciousness be directed by my SELF to align with that of the animals'. I felt their pain, the sameness, what its like to be dead on the street.
since I learned to do that, I no fit kill even rat again. note that this one's my own experience sha, u might do same and get a different result.

all in all, I still learnt that whatever it is, somehow man is still in control and that's what I call THE SELF. That's y u see ppl basking in what u call ignorance buh they see u as someone misled into swimming in d river of foolishness.
like my mystic uncle will say, its all in the mind, d mind assigns dimensions, simple..

hope u can deduce something from my mind for this here is my mind on d issue..and its not just straight... buh I'm very sure of one thing, that at this stage of my existence, I can't bring myself to being an atheist

Lol you got me laughing at the bold

I have always thought the consciousness to be the fuel to our existence in any form we find ourselves, it's what keeps us going and gives us a purpose especially as sentient beings. That's the "Spirit of God" as some will say but we need to feed it so it can grow and develop within us
I won't blame people for getting sudden ideas in their head and concluding it's God communicating with them...truth is we all have it and it's sometimes called intuition, a sort of mind within the mind that pops out occasionally, or a sixth sense or vision beyond sight
So while you believe that there's an entity as u called "Self" that directs our consciousness,
I believe it's the consciousness that directs our soul...we being souls, the soul is our "self"(even the Bible agrees, Genesis 2:7 "and man became a living soul)

macof:


Lol you got me laughing at the bold

I have always thought the consciousness to be the fuel to our existence in any form we find ourselves, it's what keeps us going and gives us a purpose especially as sentient beings. That's the "Spirit of God" as some will say but we need to feed it so it can grow and develop within us
I won't blame people for getting sudden ideas in their head and concluding it's God communicating with them...truth is we all have it and it's sometimes called intuition, a sort of mind within the mind that pops out occasionally, or a sixth sense or vision beyond sight
So while you believe that there's an entity as u called "Self" that directs our consciousness,
I believe it's the consciousness that directs our soul...we being souls, the soul is our "self"(even the Bible agrees, Genesis 2:7 "and man became a living soul)

this one u are saying d bible says so, are u Christian again

anyways, thanks for sharing, na only folykaze and billyonaire I miss for zis discuss

^^^
me and dead jew worshipping have forever parted ways...except Jesus can appear to me like Paul claimed he appeared on his way to Damascus

But looking at the issue of death and living forever there's confusion in the Bible and ever Christians have little to say about the topic, the Bible has much nonsense as it's knowledge has been diluted with power hungry gimmicks, however these are interesting points worth noticing
Genesis 2:17 God instructs man to not eat of the fruit that gives knowledge of good and evil, because he shall die if he does
Ezekiel 18:4- 9 A Soul that Sin dies, but the righteous lives

This makes it clear that it's the soul that is affected by sin and not the body, the soul being our "self", so man was never intended to live in his body forever, but to return to the earth like other animals Ecclesiastes 12:7 3:19-20
*the idea of God telling Man to not eat the fruit is symbolic to the "spirit" in man directing him, not a literal conversation like between men
*the fruit is symbolic to knowledge of good and evil
*Action is based on knowledge, a man sins when he knows what he's doing is evil
*sin brings death upon the soul but righteousness brings life upon it

Which brings me to another issue is "death" here literal or some allegory?

cirmuell:
I only gave him the one that will fit his own concept of soul. He thinks a Soul is nothing but breaths, and is not ready to accept any contrary explanation...you can try explaining to him if you have the time.

Your links are out of the point you're trying to make
they didn't show how scientists are experimenting on the soul

And what is soul? U keep going on about me being wrong but you have refused to state what is "right" by giving ur explanation
Your Bible says soul is breath

Genesis 35:18 Rachael's soul departing as she died
6:17 "I will destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life and all things on earth shall die"

you'll see that the breath refered to above is in the flesh and destruction of the flesh means death, and the soul is the breath that leaves the flesh after death

I Kings 17:17,21,22 & 23 ..."he felt sick that there was no breath left in him"
"Elijah prayed to god saying; let this child's soul come back to him"
"and the soul of the child came back to him, and he was revived"
23: Elijah said to the mother "see! Your son lives"

Acts 20:9-10 " the young man sleeping at the window fell from 3 lofts and everyone thought him dead, 10. Paul said; trouble not urself for his life is still in him"

This is from ur Bible, what other definition is Soul if nt the breath?

edogho:
this one u are saying d bible says so, are u Christian again

anyways, thanks for sharing, na only folykaze and billyonaire I miss for zis discuss

whats up dude. I have always been around, comes in mostly anonymous. Nairaland s boring nowadays with kind of topic created.

malvisguy212:
man was created with the BREATH OF GOD, man has soul, the question you should ask is , do animal have soul? Animal don't have soul, they died and return to the dust,but when man died, the soul return to God for judgment and the flesh return to the dust.

Oga you are not reading your bible enough. Animal nit onky have soul, they arebliving soul

FOLYKAZE:


Oga you are not reading your bible enough. Animal nit onky have soul, they arebliving soul

did you starts from the first page? Re-read all my post again.

malvisguy212:
do animal have soul?

Many christians have the believe a living being is made up of flesh, spirit and soul. According to the bible, just like animal, the flesh will return to the dust while the spirit returns to the creator. That known, spirit is believe to be what enjoy bliss after judgement or it been tormented. This is to say that what live after the death of person is the soul. It could live in either heaven or the so called new earth. The most important thing I want you to note is that soul is what live after death and the bible logically proves this.

"The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, says the LORD."(Isaiah 65: 25)
In the last book of the Bible, Revelation, the ApostleJohn’s vision of heavenalso included animals, showing Christ and the armies of heaven"riding on white horses." (Revelation 19:14, NIV)

^^^This bbible verse is attesting to the fact that there would animal living in the new earth where flesh do not dwell in. Meaning verything would have died and the sould will liive all again forver.


The lasting verse that proves animal and plants have soul is

Job 12:7–10
7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee;
And the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee:
And the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
9 Who knoweth not in all these
That the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing,
And the breath of all mankind.

From the bold, I know you will agree with me that animal is one of the living thing. . . .and it is indicated that all living thing have soul which logically animal is included.

Here is another:

Psalm 74:19 ESV
Do not deliver the soul of your dove to the wild beasts; do not forget the life of your poor forever.

malvisguy212:
iamlord and pagan9ja
Human are unique comperd to animal, human can make moral choice,human were created in the image of God, yes,animal has soul, but there's is different from human.

The spirit is that part of humans that is
able to love and experience God
directly. It is found in no other animal
species, since no other species can
experience God or form a relationship
with Him.it means there soul is different from human.

The purpose of us living in this earth,is for us to love God or reject Him,and the purpose of heaven is for thoes who love God to spend eternity with Him, the question is HOW DO PET FEET IN?

Throughout the Bible, there is no
mention of pets running around in
heaven. The only creatures described in
heaven are angels and humans. The
Bible indicates that God is a spirit.
Angels are also spiritual beings. This is
why humans take on a spiritual body so
that we can be with God and the angels.
However, animals are non-spiritual
beings.

" Who knows the spirit of the sons of
men, which goes upward, and the
spirit of the beast, which goes down
to the earth? (Ecclesiastes 3:21)"

This verse do not say animal don't have soul but there soul is different from human.

The bold is lie. . .


There is horse in heaven.

Revelation 19:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.


There are also many creatures in heaven. . . .

Revelation 5:13 ESV
And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”

Folykaze bawo ni? Long time

Great to see you back teaching these people their own Bible

macof:
Folykaze bawo ni? Long time

Great to see you back teaching these people their own Bible

My man mo wa pa .

The folks in this section are making thi section stink. The topic created are evn eyesore. So Niggaaa has run to politics and culture.

Aku Odun. Atuwa lara o

FOLYKAZE:


whats up dude. I have always been around, comes in mostly anonymous. Nairaland s boring nowadays with kind of topic created.

summon d gods that they do appear... I see ur work. buh that segmentation of man isn't exactly correct. its just soul and spirit, nothing more. remember man became a living soul and without d breath/spirit, he's just ordinary flesh/soul without life. just as d book Mr Noah and d seven survivors of the flood- eight souls !!!

if d section is dulling, spice it up na... buh u no lie sha

edogho:

summon d gods that they do appear... I see ur work. buh that segmentation of man isn't exactly correct. its just soul and spirit, nothing more. remember man became a living soul and without d breath/spirit, he's just ordinary flesh/soul without life. just as d book Mr Noah and d seven survivors of the flood- eight souls !!!

if d section is dulling, spice it up na... buh u no lie sha

Good evening man. I share with you the believe that soul is nothing but a living being.

But if you look at this argument closely, you will realise that it is driving through christian idea of soul and it impart in life and death. The bible is not very clear on what soul really is.

Firstly, Soul is a living being according to Gen 2:7.

Secondly, Soul is a separate being which made up man according to Matt 10:28.

The point here is that there is a soul that is killable but not by man who can also kill a soul (living being). We both know that soul (living being) is killable, but what about the one mentioned in Matt by Jesus?

Apostle paul thought about soul and body can be found in 2 Cor 5:1. . . .we are made to understand that this bodily vessel or the earthly tent will be destroyed. Also in 2 Cor 5:6, we further learnt that we (this is the that thing that dwell in the body) lives in flesh and also able to live in home with God. What is this entity that live in flesh and in God?

This entity have the chance of living forever outside the body. In Matt, we learnt it is soul. So going by the impression that soul is living being, what then is the soul that live on in the new earth withou the flesh called?

So to make things clearer, I will like to ask you this questions:

1. We both know that the flesh will return back to dust. There is no where in the bible it is stated that this dust will come back as flesh. So in the new earth, paradise or heaven of which we are told that man would continue to live forever, will man be of the soul dwelling in the vessle called flesh or it will be soul alone?

2a. If soul would live forever alone without body, does this not prove that soul is a different entity?


2b. Man, a living being is made up of spirit and flesh. (some believe it is a spirit, soul and body). Which ever way in the new earth, there wont be bag of flesh as it would have returned to the dust never to come back again. So we will be left with spirit living as a being. What would you call this spirit?

Does this not suggest that the spirit or soul is another entity?

^^^ the soul is the real self of Man...the breath of life, the Emi
Man as a living soul doesn't mean Man(in flesh) is a soul, it refers to the "self" within the flesh..."living" describes the act of existing in this earthly plain

I hope this clears it up

macof:
^^^ the soul is the real self of Man...the breath of life, the Emi
Man as a living soul doesn't mean Man(in flesh) is a soul, it refers to the "self" within the flesh..."living" describes the act of existing in this earthly plain

I hope this clears it up

Is this soul you are reffering to is what the yoruba call Ori inu?

ehen Folykaze, zis ur questions, na as e be e get o, thanks for ur time.

I'm one of those who believes d mind assigns dimensions.... I mean that anyone can believe in anything and be comfortable with it. it's how d mind works(I'll like some tutorials on many other workings of d mind sha, I'm not sure what I'm searching on dat topic yet, philfearon dey hoard info)

now concerning d topic, I go with the notion that a soul is made up of both spirit and flesh. maybe, just maybe what u are referring to (i.e d one u said D CHRIST was talking about)is what I call d SELF and finally macof now calls it EMI

edogho:
ehen Folykaze, zis ur questions, na as e be e get o, thanks for ur time.

I'm one of those who believes d mind assigns dimensions.... I mean that anyone can believe in anything and be comfortable with it. it's how d mind works(I'll like some tutorials on many other workings of d mind sha, I'm not sure what I'm searching on dat topic yet, philfearon dey hoard info)

now concerning d topic, I go with the notion that a soul is made up of both spirit and flesh. maybe, just maybe what u are referring to (i.e d one u said D CHRIST was talking about)is what I call d SELF and finally macof now calls it EMI

Good evening dude.

Since you have refused to provide answers to my questions, I dont know how we could get pass through this matrix.

The self is not Emi. Emi simply mean breathe or life given force.

Is it wrong to call the self soul?

FOLYKAZE:


Good evening dude.

Since you have refused to provide answers to my questions, I dont know how we could get pass through this matrix.

The self is not Emi. Emi simply mean breathe or life given force.

Is it wrong to call the self soul?

Greetings bro,

if u say EMI is d breath or life giving force then I'll tell macof not to call d SELF that I speak of an EMI. if u decide to call it a soul, well, from ur questions, are u suggesting man has two souls? one d flesh and d othet one u say man can't kill?
don't say I'm responding with a question o (tho it seems so ) it's somehow sha...

one thing I know is, all I've been hearing about souls and spirits ain't true, one of d many reasons is "d witches leave their bodies to attend some meetings somewhere talk".

I av my reasons

edogho:

Greetings bro,

if u say EMI is d breath or life giving force then I'll tell macof not to call d SELF that I speak of an EMI. if u decide to call it a soul, well, from ur questions, are u suggesting man has two souls? one d flesh and d othet one u say man can't kill?
don't say I'm responding with a question o (tho it seems so ) it's somehow sha...

one thing I know is, all I've been hearing about souls and spirits ain't true, one of d many reasons is "d witches leave their bodies to attend some meetings somewhere talk".

I av my reasons

Emi simply is breathe or life force. It has nothing to do with Soul.

I am not arguing that there is two souls in person. My argument is, soul is a separate entity. It is more or less the inner self, personality and the 'I'. Soul is the centre of who we are.

I understand where you are coming from when you mentioned that soul is spirit and flesh. And the teaching of soul and spirit which you are trying to point at is more or less JW doctrine. So I am making you see that soul is a separate enity which prompted Jesus statement; that is a separate entity which cant be killed.

In the new earth, what is that thing that would live forever when flesh has been destroyed? Answer to this should tell you that there is something distinct from what you insuliate soul is. In philosophy, it is simply the inner self.


Lastly, you mention that you dont believe witches live there body. Do you ackownledge that there is something called OUT OF THE BODY EXPERIENCE, Astral Projection and Soul Travellin?

OBE is more scientifical but the other ones are more spritual.

Also, do you believe one would live in the new earth when the flesh has been destroyed?

So why would you acknowledge OBE, believe in ressurection in the new kingdom and choose to disbelieve in witch going out of the body?

FOLYKAZE:


Is this soul you are reffering to is what the yoruba call Ori inu?

No, Ori inu translated as the Ori inside, or the head within(the body), or the consciousness inside, or the deeper mind...one of my posts above (I hope you read it) stated that the deeper mind is the "spirit of God" in popular ideas like christianity
This is different from Soul. Ori Inu, or simply Ori is the direct link of The Spirit of the universe(Eledumare) in Man. Ori is the fuel to our existence in any form we find ourselves[see my comment above]...Infact Ori is what establishes us as whatever form we find ourselves...why do you think Yoruba say "Ori mi, eleda mi" -Ori ni Eleda eniyan"
In Eji-ogbe, Ori was first venerated as the one who set up the Orisha in their various Towns and patron cities
Further in Ifa Orunmila taught that Ori creates us in where we find ourselves and the conditions we find ourselves...I think this was Otura-ogbe
Ori exists in everything unlike soul that only exists in sentient beings(Man and Animal)
ori inu is completely different from soul

edogho:
ehen Folykaze, zis ur questions, na as e be e get o, thanks for ur time.

I'm one of those who believes d mind assigns dimensions.... I mean that anyone can believe in anything and be comfortable with it. it's how d mind works(I'll like some tutorials on many other workings of d mind sha, I'm not sure what I'm searching on dat topic yet, philfearon dey hoard info)

now concerning d topic, I go with the notion that a soul is made up of both spirit and flesh. maybe, just maybe what u are referring to (i.e d one u said D CHRIST was talking about)is what I call d SELF and finally macof now calls it EMI

Emi means "life force"...the act of living is synonymous with the act of breathing
Only living things breath...so breath is life and life is Emi..don't you think?
Many don't know that it's two spirts in Man...the Life force(Soul) and the "spirit of God" in Man
this life force is also our sentience, which provides us with subjectivity and emotions that mold our personality...what then is the "self" you speak if not the primal force of our personality?

FOLYKAZE:


Good evening dude.

Since you have refused to provide answers to my questions, I dont know how we could get pass through this matrix.

The self is not Emi. Emi simply mean breathe or life given force.

Is it wrong to call the self soul?

Wats your idea of self? for me it's our Personality which is from the soul.
unless u think the soul isn't the life giving force

macof:

No, Ori inu translated as the Ori inside, or the head within(the body), or the consciousness inside, or the deeper mind...one of my posts above (I hope you read it) stated that the deeper mind is the "spirit of God" in popular ideas like christianity
This is different from Soul. Ori Inu, or simply Ori is the direct link of The Spirit of the universe(Eledumare) in Man. Ori is the fuel to our existence in any form we find ourselves[see my comment above]...Infact Ori is what establishes us as whatever form we find ourselves...why do you think Yoruba say "Ori mi, eleda mi" -Ori ni Eleda eniyan"
In Eji-ogbe, Ori was first venerated as the one who set up the Orisha in their various Towns and patron cities
Further in Ifa Orunmila taught that Ori creates us in where we find ourselves and the conditions we find ourselves...I think this was Otura-ogbe
Ori exists in everything unlike soul that only exists in sentient beings(Man and Animal)
ori inu is completely different from soul

Bro, you are getting so many things wrong here. I dont know if you could put more light on this topic, you could be right. But from the way I perceive things, you err big time.

Ori is the samething as Ori Inu. It is termed Ori Inu so as to differentiate it from Ori (Head). Ori or Ori Inu is the soul of a person.

In Yoruba thought, a person is made up of ara (body), emi (life giving force) and Ori (Spiritual head). Ara (body) refers to the tangible that make a person both externally and internally such as the brain, kidney, intestine, hearth etc. and not just the body frame which houses other constitutes of a person. Emi (life giving force), the Yoruba believe, is an immaterial force that provides the animating force or energy without which a person cannot be said to be living talkless of conscious. It is closely associated with breathe and the whole mechanism of breathing. It is the life giving force of a person; its presence or absence in a person make the difference between life and death. The third component, Ori is the central concept of human personality. It represent person's personality and represent human destiny. The Yoruba are said to believe that the personality of each individual is encoded in Ori. Ori is determines the life course and personality of it possessor on earth. It also details each individual destiny. Ori which is otherwise called Ori-Inu (inner head) i responsiblr for actuality and worth of man in the phyisical world. It is the eseence of man which rules, control and guides the life and activities of the person. It is the soul, having it physical symbolisation as the physical head.

The Ori Ita (outer head) is a representation of the inner head. This is how we came about Ita and Inu. Ori is the inner self, the soul moulded by Ajala. Emi is from Olodumare while Ara is from Orisanla.

Adding, Ori exist in everything. . .soul doesnt have anything to do with sentience. Some religion philosophy hold that only human being have soul. This is different from Yoruba thought that sees souls in everything. They see it as Ori, the inner self. Some world religion like jainism, hinduism and othe form of aninism also share this believe. Soul is the self, inner person and the 'I' that inhabit and the body and act through it.

Do you know why babalawo touch one Ori with Ikin during consultation? It is because the physical head represent the inner self which is the original and the soul.

The summarize verything I have there, Ori is the soul, Emi is the breathe while Ara is the body.

macof:

Wats your idea of self? for me it's our Personality which is from the soul.
unless u think the soul isn't the life giving force

Wrong. . .Emi is the life giving force.

Ori is the centre of self and individual personality. Personality is from Ori. If you tend to call that soul then it mean Ori is soul.

macof:


Emi means "life force"...the act of living is synonymous with the act of breathing
Only living things breath...so breath is life and life is Emi..don't you think?
Many don't know that it's two spirts in Man...the Life force(Soul) and the "spirit of God" in Man
this life force is also our sentience, which provides us with subjectivity and emotions that mold our personality...what then is the "self" you speak if not the primal force of our personality?

In Yoruba, everything is alive.

Life is more or less activness.. . . . You cannot pin it down to biology only.

Life force is Emi and not soul. Breathe has nothing to do with personality.

Macof.

You can download this file if you really need to know much about Ori as soul and other composition of man.

http://www.njas.helsinki.fi/pdf-files/vol16num2/ademuleya.pdf

FOLYKAZE:


In Yoruba, everything is alive.

Life is more or less activness.. . . . You cannot pin it down to biology only.

Life force is Emi and not soul. Breathe has nothing to do with personality.

depends if you consider "life" and "consciousness" as the same thing
I don't, I see life as restricted to animate beings that can express subjectivity and emotions
there's no Yoruba idea suggesting that rocks are such ...tho as a Yoruba I know rocks are conscious but nt to the extent you taking it...you are going too extreme egbon
Am sure its all in the translation factor that differs among people..I understand ur opinion but go back and ask any Babalawo if Rocks have feelings and will

As long as only living breathing beings express sentience due to that life force, I maintain that life force is responsible for personality

Maybe u are yet to realize the flaw of ur argument but
1. If Ori is the primal core of our personality, then you are suggesting rocks have cognition and emotions...as Yoruba say Everything including rocks have their Ori
Only Man and animal have life force according to Ifa, yet all things have consciousness in Eledumare
2. If Ori is our primal personality, then what use is the role of guardian that the same ori plays in our life? Can a blind person guide himself through the edge of a bridge? Or you don't know Ori guides our personality?
3. If Ori is what you say it is then it is Ori that reincarnates. that means reincarnation comes with the same destiny, the same purpose in life, the same fortune...everything the same.
4. Before coming to life, Ifa says we go to Ajala to pick our Ori..if Ori is the primal personality then what is the "we" that goes to ajala before we even acquire an Ori?
5. before every life we pick an Ori from Ajala's house, if the Ori is our only real spiritual substance then reincarnation has no place in Ifa, but we know that's not true, Ifa is very serious about reincarnation. So tell me how come Ifa says each ori to each new life

Don't take "emi" for it's literal meaning alone, take it for the concept and relationship with all living beings

I'll like you to read up on Greek philosophy if Yoruba philosophy isn't quite clear to you
*Psyche(Anima in Latin)

FOLYKAZE:



The bold is lie. . .


There is horse in heaven.

Revelation 19:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.


There are also many creatures in heaven. . . .

Revelation 5:13 ESV
And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”

thanks for your immense contribution.. That dude does not know what he is reading.. Now I understand why fela said "TEACHER don't Teach ME NONSENSE" a lot of Christians are hypocrites and semi illiterates that refuse to learn.