johnw74, is tongue twisting here!

u are just tongue twisting around

Oh! Tongue twistin man

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It is rather pathetic, infact laughable I'ld say, that you call me ignorant but cannot support your statements with the book you so believe in - The Bible. All u've written here is trash without scriptures to support ur point.

anyone who is said to partake in the Divine nature, has died and gone to heaven as a spirit person, for "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom."_ 1cor 15:50. That person partakes in the Divine nature because he/she has a new bodyy - the spiritual body, which is the very nature of God.

johnw74

Mary of course is the mother of Jesus, The word of Godin the flesh and the word was God

ladon1:

Can you please explain the (us) in these verses if the scripture to me?
genesis 1:26. genesis 3:22. genesis 11:7.
Lets see how much your bible speaks if at all you know how to read it.

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When I read those verses, I just understood where your problem lies. Its so pitiable that because of your warped indoctrination you cannot comprehend simple english. Well, since u've asked, I'll try my best to remove the veil from your eyes. Only you should try to be wise enough to understand.

Gen1:26 - God said: "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness..."

Gen 3:22 - God then said: "Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad..."

Gen 11:7 - Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language..."

I checked Cambridge Advance Learners Dictionary to get the definition of the word "us." Here's what it says: "Us" is used as the object of a verb or a preposition. It implies "me and at least one other person."
So when the word "us" is used, it refers to atleast two people.

So,

Who was God referring to when he said "US"?
If you were to say, 'let us make something for ourselves', no one would normally understand this to imply that several persons are combined as one inside of you. You simply mean that two or more individuals will work together on something. So, too, when God used "us" and "our", he was simply addressing another individual, his first spirit creation, the master craftsman, the prehuman Jesus. - Read proverbs 8:30,31

ladon1:

wonderful! Your bible speaks indeed.
And God(nature) said let us(three persons) make man in our image, after our own likeness. only one that is a determined stiffneck liar will deny this. Us in any dictionary simply means more than one person. Now when the bible recorded that God said let us make man in our own image, it simply entails that God is communicating within his persons.
And the persons typified here all has the power to create i.e all the persons included in the us are creator. Father, son, and the holy spirit. and all are called The Lord(Jehovah)
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Hiswordxray:

"Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [s][possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God] [/s], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained," (Phi 2:6)

Is this verse a lie? Yes or No.

ladon1:

wonderful! Your bible speaks indeed.
And God(nature) said let us(three persons) make man in our image, after our own likeness. only one that is a determined stiffneck liar will deny this. Us in any dictionary simply means more than one person. Now when the bible recorded that God said let us make man in our own image, it simply entails that God is communicating within his persons.
And the persons typified here all has the power to create i.e all the persons included in the us are creator. Father, son, and the holy spirit. and all are called The Lord(Jehovah)
n n

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Read proverbs 8:22-31 and see those who were involved in creation. Knowledge is power.

ladon1:

proverbs 8;22-31.
Those are the words of God the son. One who is life having authority and is worshipped.

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So you agree that jesus spoke those words in proverbs 8:22-31 and you still think of him as equal to his father and God? Chai!

Of all the trinitarians I've met, u're the most blinded. Your darkness is sooo thick.

In proverbs 8:22-31, jesus said: "God PRODUCED me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his acievements of long ago."

Jesus continues: from ancient times I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth..mbrfore the mountains were set in place, before the hills, I was BROUGHT FORTH....when he(God) prepared the heavens, I was there...I was beside him as a MASTER WORKER. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time.

If you can read this in your bible and agree that Jesus is the one speaking, but yet argue that he(Jesus) is equal to his father, then you are of all the most gullible. But even gullible ones become wise, so follow the Bible's advice in proverbs 8:5.

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THE BRACKET IS NOT PART OF THAT SCRIPTURE ! ITS UNSCRIPTURAL

In phil 2:5-8 we find two forms
+ Form of God = Nature of God ( Spiritual body 1 cor 15:44)

** form of servant = Nature of human ( physical body 1 cor 15:44)

All beings in heaven have the same nature of God , ALL ARE POWERFUL SPIRIT BEINGS including Angels Psalm 104:4 ( GOD HIMSELF IS A SPIRIT BEING John 4:24) .

UNLIKE Trinitarians that equate Jesus with THE TRUE GOD, JESUS GAVE NO CONSIDERATION FOR SUCH EQUALITY ( Phil 2:6)


TRINITY IS AN HOAX

Hiswordxray:

Where in the Bible is it written that all the being in heaven have the same nature.

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Everything on earth have ^{" earthly bodies"}

All the being in HEAVEN have " Heavenly Bodies" 2 Cor 15:40. Also called " spiritual body" or "divine nature"

Hiswordxray:

Those verses didn't say nature but bodies. Is body and nature the same thing.
"4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and [size=21]precious promises[/size], that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." (2Pet 1:4).
We are partaker of His divine nature does this mean we are spirit?

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NOBODY on earth has a divine , heavenly nature , its a "precious promise" 2pet 1:4 unto those "whom have been brought from the earth" to be ressurected to heaven to rule as king and priest with Jesus OVER THE EARTH ( Rev 5:9,10; rev 14: 1-4) !

Hiswordxray:

Are you saying we are going to heaven and we would become spirit?

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Read my comment again and understand , by the time u read Rev 5:9,10 And Rev 14: 1-4 .. YOU will realize that only a chosen few " who have been brought from the earth" will be given the priviledge to Rule as King and priest OVER the EARTH ( not an empty planet earth, but refers to the billions of people who will be ressurected to form the " new earth" compare GENESIS 6:1 where earth is used to denote "people livin on earth"

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NOBODY on earth has a divine , heavenly nature , its a "precious promise" 2pet 1:4 unto those "whom have been brought from the earth" to be ressurected to heaven to rule as king and priest with Jesus OVER THE EARTH ( Rev 5:9,10; rev 14: 1-4) !

Hiswordxray:

Read your post very well.

So we are going to heaven and we would be spirit there?

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The way u are speaking and ur level of understanding shows
You aint going to heaven to become a spirit being like God, Jesus, and the angels and , you are not AMONG THOSE CHOSEN 144,000 that are " brought from the earth" to rule with Christ in. Rev 5:9,10; Rev 14:1,4

The other majority of mankind will fulfil psalm 37:9-11, 29

" the righteous shall possess the Earth, and they shall live forever on it" " the meek shall inherit the earth" Matt 5:5, rev 21:3,4

Hiswordxray:

Okay...
You are saying the only 144,000 are going to heaven

and this people will become spirit right?

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YES, only those "144,000 have been bought from earth .. To rule as king and priest with Jesus over the EARTH" Rev 5:9,10, Rev 14: 1,3,4

YES , Remember Jehovah God appointed king, his Son Jesus was resurected as a "spirit" 1 cor 15:45 ; 1pet 3:18 , Jesus co - rulers will also receive that similar type of RESSURECTION ( Romans 6:5 )

Hiswordxray:

Thanks for sharing your ignorance with me.

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First ... KINDLY show me the ignorance in those comments ?

Hiswordxray:


Why did the disciples worship and called Jesus God?
"9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him." (Matt 28:9).

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Good ! Do u now agree that MARY is the mother of God ?

Hiswordxray:


"1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1).

johnw74:
The Bible says that Michael is a Archangel
jw say that michael is not a Angel but chief of the Angels
the Bible does not say michael is Arch of the Angels
the Bible says that michael is a Archangel - a chief angel

NO:
Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the arch of the angels, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

YES:
Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

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Why is dis too hard for u to understand ?

Our God = The FATHER ( 1 Cor 8:5,6)

AND Saviour = Jesus Christ .

INFACT , verse 2 reveal that the person called God by the apostle peter is THE FATHER

" ... An accurate knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord" Vrs 2. WOW! This bring John 17:3 to mind. " knowledge of you the ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent Christ Jesus"
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Angels are under the authority of the ONLY Archangel, so they are not in d same category .