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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by malvisguy212: 12:06am On Mar 22, 2015
Sylvekzee:


Dude! Did this guy say he was a Christian earlier? This is a total form of Christianity I've never seen before :-)
some invincible friends want to turn him into atheist.may God guide us.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 12:08am On Mar 22, 2015
swaggzo:


My parents?
I owe no one any apologies my dear.
My mum used to hit me when I was around 9 for asking questions.
Ma guy some cartoons are even more realistic than some Christian doctrines especially Catholic.

All of them na the same thing... imagine a christian calling a muslim delusional for expecting 72virgins in heaven, while he is expecting a golden mansion and white robes...delusion calling another delusion.. we see that alot here in nairaland

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by malvisguy212: 12:08am On Mar 22, 2015
sammy187:


Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.
https://www.nairaland.com/2035915/did-god-create-evil-does
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by sammy187: 12:23am On Mar 22, 2015
malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/2035915/did-god-create-evil-does

Meaning 90% of the Bible translations and interpretation are wrong. Please shed more light which Bible is correct and which is incorrect?

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 12:25am On Mar 22, 2015
sammy187:


Meaning 90% of the Bible translations and interpretation are wrong. Please shed more light which Bible is correct and which is incorrect?

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by swaggzo(m): 12:29am On Mar 22, 2015
malvisguy212:
some invincible friends want to turn him into atheist.may God guide us.

The same way he guided Eve to the tree, and the demon into the serpent that tempted her.
Amen.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by sammy187: 12:36am On Mar 22, 2015
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Saw this online.

Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 12:39am On Mar 22, 2015
sammy187:


Saw this online.

LOL for me, am gona live my life for me and not with what some ancient primitive desertic men that have 0 in morality scale wrote and asked me to follow..

I'd rather follow my reason smiley

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by Nobody: 12:46am On Mar 22, 2015
The sooner you guys understand that the books of moses, and some other NT books are just jewish fables, the better for you. Jesus existed sometime 2000+ years ago, but he isn't really who y'all think he is...if y'all have time, u can try reading the gnostic scriptures and lost book of the bible which where omitted from the bibles y'all carry around by the council of nicea because they made jesus look more mortal than supernatural

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by sammy187: 12:48am On Mar 22, 2015
malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/2035915/did-god-create-evil-does

Please address this aswell, thanks.


God is not a man, that he should lie
     - Numbers 23:19

     And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the
     Lord have deceived that prophet.
     - Ezekiel 24:9

We are told to accept that Jesus existed based upon the Gospels of the Bible.

1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David?  Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations.  Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.

2) Is Paul lying?  In Acts 20:35  Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?

3) When did the leper become not a leper?  (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14)  Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house.  (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42)  Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.

4) Who approached Jesus?  (Matthew 8:5-7)  The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant.  (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7)  The Centurion did not approach Jesus.  He sent friends and elders of the Jews.

5) Was she dead or just dying?  (Matthew 9:18)  He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead.  (Luke 8:41-42)  Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.

6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take?  (Matthew 10:10)  Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals.  (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.

7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah?  (Matthew 11:2-3)  While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah.  (Luke 7:18-22)  While imprisoned.  John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36)  John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.

cool Who made the request?  (Matthew 20:20-21)  Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.  (Mark 10:35-37)  James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.

9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage.  (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.

10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom?  (Matthew 21:17-19)  Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20)  He cursed it before the purging.

11) When did the fig tree keel?  (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately.  and the disciples registered surprise then and there.  (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.

12) Was John the Baptist Elias?  "This is Elias which was to come."  Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then?  Art thou Elias?  And he said I am not."  John l:21

13) Who was the father of Joseph?  Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob.  Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli.  Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph.  This is utter bullshit, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother.  They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.

14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ?  Matthew 1:17  Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.

15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt.  Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount.  Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.

17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee.  Mark 1:14  John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee.  John 1:43 & 3:22-24

18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus?  Matthew 15:22  "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."  Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."

19) How many blind men besought Jesus?  Matthew 20:30 Two blind men.  Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.

20) Where did the devil take Jesus first?  (Matthew 4:5-cool  The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world.  (Luke 4:5-9)  The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.

21) Can one pray in public?  (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer.  (1 Timothy 2:cool  Paul encouraged public prayer.

22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen?  Matthew 5:16  "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works."  1 Peter 2:12  "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation."  This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret."  Matthew 23:3-5  "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works they do for to be seen of men."

23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.

24) When was Christ crucified?  Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him."  John 19:14-15  "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?"  John 19:14-15.

25) The two thieves reviled Christ.  (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.

26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel"wink Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…"  Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.

27) When did Satan enter Judas?  Satan entered into Judas while at the supper.  John 13:27  Satan entered Judas before the supper.  Luke 23:3-4 & 7

28) How many women came to the sepulcher?  John 20:1  Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene.  Matthew 28:1  Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.

29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher.  John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.

30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up.  Luke 24:4  There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down.  Mark 28:2-5

31) How many angels were within the sepulcher?  John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.

32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22

33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples?  In a room in Jerusalem.  Luke 24:32-37  On a mountain in Galilee.  Matthew 28:15-17

34) Where did Christ ascend from?  From Mount Olivet.  Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51

35) Can all sins be forgiven?  (Acts 13:39)  All sins can be forgiven.  Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29)  Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world.  (Matthew 11:12-14)  Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah.  (Matthew 17:12- 13)  Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist.  (Mark 9:13)  Jesus insists that Elijah has already come.  (John 1:21)  John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.

37) Who purchased the potter’s field?  Acts 1:18  The field was purchased by Judas.  John 20:1  The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.

38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless.  Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14

39) Who bought the Sepulcher?  Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16

40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death?  "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die."  John 19:7  "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31

41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven?  Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."  2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man."  John 3:13

42) Is scripture inspired by God?  "all scripture is given by inspiration of God."  2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment."  1 Corinthians 7:6 "But tou the rest speak I, not the Lord."  1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord"  2 Corinthians.

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by plaetton: 2:13am On Mar 22, 2015
sammy187:


Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.

Lol.
grin

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by Weah96: 5:58am On Mar 22, 2015
Rilwayne001:



Surah Al-Hajj 22:5 -- O mankind! If you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily! We have created you (i.e. Adam) from dust, then from a Nutfah (mixed drops of male and female sexual discharge i.e. offspring of Adam), then from a clot then from a little lump of flesh,— some formed and some unformed (as in the case of miscarriage) , that We may make (it) clear to you (i.e. to show you Our Power and Ability to do what We will) . And We cause whom We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed term, then We bring you out as infants, then (give you growth) that you may reach your age of full strength. And among you there is he who dies (young), and among you there is he who is brought back to the miserable old age, so that he knows nothing after having known. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down water (rain) on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells and puts forth every lovely kind (of growth)



I'll like to see my xtian friends anser to this, malvisguy is already here doing is usual thing, i will like to call upon: pastorkun, francistony, ifeann, allnaijablogger, truthman2012 and co.


Who is this WE that the Quran keeps repeating? I didn't know that there was a trinity in Islam too.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by malvisguy212: 7:42am On Mar 22, 2015
Sammy.
All what you wrote are misunderstanding of the word of God and translations,if you observe the contradiction you past,they were mixed with different translations of the bible.during the Time the king James version was translated the earlier Alexandrian manuscript has not been discovered.The reason the King James version differ from the NASV and the NIV in a number of readings is because it is translated from a different text-type than they are.
A. The King James Version was
translated from Erasmus' printed
Greek New Testament which made
use of only five Greek manuscripts
the oldest of which dated to the
1,100 A.D. These manuscripts were
examples of the Byzantine text-
type.
B. The NASV and the NIV make use of
the United Bible Societies 4th
Edition 1968 of the New Testament.
This edition of the Greek New
Testament relies more heavily on
the Alexandrian text-type while
making use of all 5,664 Greek
manuscripts.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by Ifeann(f): 7:54am On Mar 22, 2015
Weah96:


Who is this WE that the Quran keeps repeating? I didn't know that there was a trinity in Islam too.

Good observation...apparently its Mohammed and his Islamic allah
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by LordReed(m): 8:59am On Mar 22, 2015
plaetton:
Why did God create the Malaria parasite that kills millions of children each year?

What part does the Malaria parasite play in the intelligent design?

And, of course, how does Jesus save anyone, children especially, from the ravages of the Malaria parasite?

Are cars created to kill?

What was Jesus' primary message?
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 9:05am On Mar 22, 2015
Ifeann:


Good observation...apparently its Mohammed and his Islamic allah

e don enter were ifeann deh like... oya empiree, tartar9 come and answer.. who dah heck are the WE in ur quran?

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 9:07am On Mar 22, 2015
LordReed:


Are cars created to kill?

What was Jesus' primary message?

Uuuuuhm you wanna liken cars to biological pathogens now i guess **confused** :-s
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by tartar9(m): 9:32am On Mar 22, 2015
johnydon22:


e don enter were ifeann deh like... oya empiree, tartar9 come and answer.. who dah heck are the WE in ur quran?
http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/AllahWE.htm
and it is even used in some verses in the bible @ Ifeann da …
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by LordReed(m): 9:37am On Mar 22, 2015
johnydon22:


Uuuuuhm you wanna liken cars to biological pathogens now i guess **confused** :-s

Do you understand what a simile is?
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 9:43am On Mar 22, 2015
tartar9:
http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/AllahWE.htm
and it is even used in some verses in the bible @ Ifeann da …
Bros i asked about yours, explain to me why is WE used when allah is involved... how many are they? who and who are the we?
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by tartar9(m): 9:47am On Mar 22, 2015
johnydon22:

Bros i asked about yours, explain to me why is WE used when allah is involved... how many are they? who and who are the we?
The Qur’an says very clearly that
there is only One God, Allah. “There is no god
but Allah” is the basic principle of Islam. There
is no ambiguity about this fact in the Qur’an
and there are hundreds of ayat or verses of the
Qur’an that make this point very clear. Belief
in more than one God is Shirk (polytheism) and
a major sin according to the Qur’an.
Whenever in the Qur’an Allah is mentioned in
the third person there are always singular
pronouns used, such as He, him (Huwa or Hu).
Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second
person there are also singular pronouns, such
as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). However
only in the first person some times the
pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are
used and sometimes We, Us and Our (Nahnu,
Na) are used.
This is a style of speech. Sometime the
speaker says I and sometime says we. We
also use that in our conversations. In the
Qur’an you will see that often the first person
singular such as I or My is used, when Allah
speaks about His love, care and closeness and
forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way
the first person plural is often used when Allah
speaks about His power, majesty, glory, great
deeds or when He speaks about His anger and
wrath for the sinners and criminals. (This is,
of course, the general use. Sometime the
reverse is also the case, depending on the
context of the Surah.)
See for example the verses where the first
person singular is used: “When My servants
ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to
them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calleth on Me: let them also, with a
will, listen to My call, and believe in Me: that
they may walk in the right way.” (al-Baqarah
2:186) Or “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god
but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish
regular prayer for celebrating My
praise.” (Taha 20:14) or “But, without doubt, I
am (also) He that forgives again and again, to
those who repent, believe, and do right, who, in
fine, are ready to receive true guidance.” (Taha
20:82) or see another example where both
pronouns are used side by side, “Before them
the People of Noah rejected (their Messenger):
they rejected Our servant, and said, “Here is
one possessed!” and he was driven out. Then
he called on His Lord: “I am one overcome: do
Thou then help (me)!” So We opened the gates
of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We
caused the earth to gush forth with springs. So
the waters met (and rose) to the extent
decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of
broad planks and caulked with palm-fiber: She
floats under Our eyes (and care): a
recompense to one who had been rejected
(with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign
(for all time): then is there any that will
receive admonition? But how (terrible) was My
Penalty and My Warning? (al-Qamar 54:9-16)
See also some verses where the first person
plural is used: “We have, without doubt, sent
down the Message; and We will assuredly
guard it (from corruption).” (al-Hijr 15:9) or
“We created not the heavens, the earth, and all
between them, but for just ends. And the Hour
is surely coming” (al-Hijr 15:85) or “And among
His Signs is this: thou seest the earth barren
and desolate; but when We send down rain to
it, it is stirred to life and yields increase. Truly,
He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can
surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He
has power over all things.” (Fussilat 41:39). Or
“Already has Our Word been passed before
(this) to Our Servants sent (by Us). That they
would certainly be assisted. And that Our
forces, they surely must conquer. So turn thou
away from them for a little while. And watch
them (how they fare), and they soon shall see.
Do they wish (indeed) to hurry on our
Punishment? But when it descends into the
open space before them, evil will be the
morning for those who were warned (and
heeded not) (al-Saffat 37:171-177). There are
many other examples.
Christian writers in their desperate desire to
prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime
interpreted some Biblical passages where first
person plural is used to suggest that this
means the “Divine Trinity”. For example in the
Bible it is mentioned, “Then God said, “Let us
make man in our image¦” (Genesis 1:26).
Christian writers contend that this means that
there is plurality in God (We seek Allah’s
forgiveness for mentioning this blasphemy.)
Sometime Christian missionaries also go to
simple Muslims and try to confuse them by
taking some verses from the Qur’an and tell
them that the Qur’an also supports such
doctrines. I tried to explain this point in some
detail, because I have often heard this type of
questions from some Christians.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by tartar9(m): 9:50am On Mar 22, 2015
there are thousands of species of mosquitoes and just a few of them spread malaria and mosquitoes are very important to the ecosystem.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by swaggzo(m): 10:04am On Mar 22, 2015
cupid1:
The sooner you guys understand that the books of moses, and some other NT books are just jewish fables, the better for you. Jesus existed sometime 2000+ years ago, but he isn't really who y'all think he is...if y'all have time, u can try reading the gnostic scriptures and lost book of the bible which where omitted from the bibles y'all carry around by the council of nicea because they made jesus look more mortal than supernatural


can I get the link to this lost books of the Bible sir? where can I buy it?

while I was in secondary school, Christian religious studies made us understand the Bible was written by great men directed by God.
How then were some books omitted even with Gods direction?


I say it again.. it's better to keep mute than try to defend your so confused religion, bringing out the f00l in you.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 10:11am On Mar 22, 2015
tartar9:
The Qur’an says very clearly that
there is only One God, Allah. “There is no god
but Allah” is the basic principle of Islam. There
is no ambiguity about this fact in the Qur’an
and there are hundreds of ayat or verses of the
Qur’an that make this point very clear. Belief
in more than one God is Shirk (polytheism) and
a major sin according to the Qur’an.
Whenever in the Qur’an Allah is mentioned in
the third person there are always singular
pronouns used, such as He, him (Huwa or Hu).
Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second
person there are also singular pronouns, such
as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). However
only in the first person some times the
pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are
used and sometimes We, Us and Our (Nahnu,
Na) are used.
This is a style of speech. Sometime the
speaker says I and sometime says we. We
also use that in our conversations. In the
Qur’an you will see that often the first person
singular such as I or My is used, when Allah
speaks about His love, care and closeness and
forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way
the first person plural is often used when Allah
speaks about His power, majesty, glory, great
deeds or when He speaks about His anger and
wrath for the sinners and criminals. (This is,
of course, the general use. Sometime the
reverse is also the case, depending on the
context of the Surah.)
See for example the verses where the first
person singular is used: “When My servants
ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to
them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calleth on Me: let them also, with a
will, listen to My call, and believe in Me: that
they may walk in the right way.” (al-Baqarah
2:186) Or “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god
but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish
regular prayer for celebrating My
praise.” (Taha 20:14) or “But, without doubt, I
am (also) He that forgives again and again, to
those who repent, believe, and do right, who, in
fine, are ready to receive true guidance.” (Taha
20:82) or see another example where both
pronouns are used side by side, “Before them
the People of Noah rejected (their Messenger):
they rejected Our servant, and said, “Here is
one possessed!” and he was driven out. Then
he called on His Lord: “I am one overcome: do
Thou then help (me)!” So We opened the gates
of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We
caused the earth to gush forth with springs. So
the waters met (and rose) to the extent
decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of
broad planks and caulked with palm-fiber: She
floats under Our eyes (and care): a
recompense to one who had been rejected
(with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign
(for all time): then is there any that will
receive admonition? But how (terrible) was My
Penalty and My Warning? (al-Qamar 54:9-16)
See also some verses where the first person
plural is used: “We have, without doubt, sent
down the Message; and We will assuredly
guard it (from corruption).” (al-Hijr 15:9) or
“We created not the heavens, the earth, and all
between them, but for just ends. And the Hour
is surely coming” (al-Hijr 15:85) or “And among
His Signs is this: thou seest the earth barren
and desolate; but when We send down rain to
it, it is stirred to life and yields increase. Truly,
He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can
surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He
has power over all things.” (Fussilat 41:39). Or
“Already has Our Word been passed before
(this) to Our Servants sent (by Us). That they
would certainly be assisted. And that Our
forces, they surely must conquer. So turn thou
away from them for a little while. And watch
them (how they fare), and they soon shall see.
Do they wish (indeed) to hurry on our
Punishment? But when it descends into the
open space before them, evil will be the
morning for those who were warned (and
heeded not) (al-Saffat 37:171-177). There are
many other examples.
Christian writers in their desperate desire to
prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime
interpreted some Biblical passages where first
person plural is used to suggest that this
means the “Divine Trinity”. For example in the
Bible it is mentioned, “Then God said, “Let us
make man in our image¦” (Genesis 1:26).
Christian writers contend that this means that
there is plurality in God (We seek Allah’s
forgiveness for mentioning this blasphemy.)
Sometime Christian missionaries also go to
simple Muslims and try to confuse them by
taking some verses from the Qur’an and tell
them that the Qur’an also supports such
doctrines. I tried to explain this point in some
detail, because I have often heard this type of
questions from some Christians.
Ok this is really too long but why does God refer to himself as we?
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by tartar9(m): 10:13am On Mar 22, 2015
johnydon22:

Ok this is really too long but why does God refer to himself as we?
The Qur’an says very clearly that
there is only One God, Allah. “There is no god
but Allah” is the basic principle of Islam.
There
is no ambiguity about this fact in the Qur’an
and there are hundreds of ayat or verses of
the
Qur’an that make this point very clear. Belief
in more than one God is Shirk (polytheism)
and
a major sin according to the Qur’an.
Whenever in the Qur’an Allah is mentioned in
the third person there are always singular
pronouns used, such as He, him (Huwa or Hu)
.
Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second
person there are also singular pronouns, such
as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). However
only in the first person some times the
pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are
used and sometimes We, Us and Our (Nahnu,
Na) are used.
This is a style of speech. Sometime the
speaker says I and sometime says we. We
also use that in our conversations. In the
Qur’an you will see that often the first person
singular such as I or My is used, when Allah
speaks about His love, care and closeness
and
forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way
the first person plural is often used when
Allah
speaks about His power, majesty, glory, great
deeds or when He speaks about His anger and
wrath for the sinners and criminals. (This is,
of course, the general use. Sometime the
reverse is also the case, depending on the
context of the Surah.)
See for example the verses where the first
person singular is used: “When My servants
ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to
them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calleth on Me: let them also, with a
will, listen to My call, and believe in Me: that
they may walk in the right way.” (al-Baqarah
2:186) Or “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god
but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish
regular prayer for celebrating My
praise.” (Taha 20:14) or “But, without doubt, I
am (also) He that forgives again and again, to
those who repent, believe, and do right, who,
in
fine, are ready to receive true guidance.” (Taha
20:82) or see another example where both
pronouns are used side by side, “Before them
the People of Noah rejected (their Messenger):
they rejected Our servant, and said, “Here is
one possessed!” and he was driven out. Then
he called on His Lord: “I am one overcome: do
Thou then help (me)!” So We opened the gates
of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We
caused the earth to gush forth with springs.
So
the waters met (and rose) to the extent
decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of
broad planks and caulked with palm-fiber: She
floats under Our eyes (and care): a
recompense to one who had been rejected
(with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign
(for all time): then is there any that will
receive admonition? But how (terrible) was My
Penalty and My Warning? (al-Qamar 54:9-16)
See also some verses where the first person
plural is used: “We have, without doubt, sent
down the Message; and We will assuredly
guard it (from corruption).” (al-Hijr 15:9) or
“We created not the heavens, the earth, and
all
between them, but for just ends. And the Hour
is surely coming” (al-Hijr 15:85) or “And
among
His Signs is this: thou seest the earth barren
and desolate; but when We send down rain to
it, it is stirred to life and yields increase.
Truly,
He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can
surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He
has power over all things.” (Fussilat 41:39). Or
“Already has Our Word been passed before
(this) to Our Servants sent (by Us). That they
would certainly be assisted. And that Our
forces, they surely must conquer. So turn thou
away from them for a little while. And watch
them (how they fare), and they soon shall see.
Do they wish (indeed) to hurry on our
Punishment? But when it descends into the
open space before them, evil will be the
morning for those who were warned (and
heeded not) (al-Saffat 37:171-177). There are
many other examples.
Christian writers in their desperate desire to
prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime
interpreted some Biblical passages where first
person plural is used to suggest that this
means the “Divine Trinity”. For example in the
Bible it is mentioned, “Then God said, “Let us
make man in our image¦” (Genesis 1:26).
Christian writers contend that this means that
there is plurality in God (We seek Allah’s
forgiveness for mentioning this blasphemy.)
Sometime Christian missionaries also go to
simple Muslims and try to confuse them by
taking some verses from the Qur’an and tell
them that the Qur’an also supports such
doctrines. I tried to explain this point in some
detail, because I have often heard this type of
questions from some Christians.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by Nobody: 10:20am On Mar 22, 2015
johnydon22:

You wanna liken your supposedly omnipotent god to the limitations of a man? smiley

Lmao.. so this your god created everything but disease started on it's own? that means he didnt create everything as claimed... meaning not omnipotent..smiley

Proverbs 16:4

The LORD has prepared everything for His purpose-- even the wicked for the day of disaster.

Romans 9:21

Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

The LORD created all things for His purpose; pestilence, parasites, plagues, starvation, wars, peace, etc...all these things are meant for discipline and correction! How do you think God would have achieved his purpose and showed his power in plaguing the Egyptians for refusing to let his people go if he hadn't created the plagues he used against them in the first place?

Amos 3:6-7

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

@Plaetton, Jesus came to save us from spiritual death; not physical!
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by RikoduoSennin(m): 10:28am On Mar 22, 2015
plaetton:

So, sir, are you saying that Adam, through ommision, created the Malaria parasite, or, that the parasite was created good, but later turned lethal after Adam had sinned?

Adam did not create Malaria parasite!

I don't know if the Malaria Parasite was created for good or bad. What I know is Malaria parasite would not have any effect to health of perfect man Adam had he obeyed his creator- Adam's would have an immunity to ALL ailment. Malaria parasite strive on certain enviromental conditions/host organism- if Adam had lived under God's guidance, such conditions may have been eliminated eg How common is malaria parasite in the developed world?

(Fan Fiction: Will Superman or Vampires get sick from malaria parasite?)

plaetton:

Secondly, if man was created to live forever, and with the injunction to "go out and multiply", how would a finite space and resources of our Earth cope with a human population that, without death, would have topped at least 200 billion since creation

So it is far beyond God's capability to stop population growth when it get to a fix point shey?

Research what Scientist say about the number of people that can populate the earth before it is filled.
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 10:38am On Mar 22, 2015
doubleDx:


Proverbs 16:4

The LORD has prepared everything for His purpose-- even the wicked for the day of disaster.

Romans 9:21

Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

The LORD created all things for His purpose; pestilence, parasites, plagues, starvation, wars, peace, etc...all these things are meant for discipline and correction! How do you think God would have achieved his purpose and showed his power in plaguing the Egyptians for refusing to let his people go if he hadn't created the plagues he used against them?

Amos 3:6-7

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

@Plaetton, Jesus came to save us from spiritual death; not physical!
so the lord prepare diseases and disasters for his purpose right.. nice god cheesy
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 10:39am On Mar 22, 2015
tartar9:
The Qur’an says very clearly that
there is only One God, Allah. “There is no god
but Allah” is the basic principle of Islam.
There
is no ambiguity about this fact in the Qur’an
and there are hundreds of ayat or verses of
the
Qur’an that make this point very clear. Belief
in more than one God is Shirk (polytheism)
and
a major sin according to the Qur’an.
Whenever in the Qur’an Allah is mentioned in
the third person there are always singular
pronouns used, such as He, him (Huwa or Hu)
.
Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second
person there are also singular pronouns, such
as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). However
only in the first person some times the
pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are
used and sometimes We, Us and Our (Nahnu,
Na) are used.
This is a style of speech. Sometime the
speaker says I and sometime says we. We
also use that in our conversations. In the
Qur’an you will see that often the first person
singular such as I or My is used, when Allah
speaks about His love, care and closeness
and
forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way
the first person plural is often used when
Allah
speaks about His power, majesty, glory, great
deeds or when He speaks about His anger and
wrath for the sinners and criminals. (This is,
of course, the general use. Sometime the
reverse is also the case, depending on the
context of the Surah.)
See for example the verses where the first
person singular is used: “When My servants
ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to
them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calleth on Me: let them also, with a
will, listen to My call, and believe in Me: that
they may walk in the right way.” (al-Baqarah
2:186) Or “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god
but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish
regular prayer for celebrating My
praise.” (Taha 20:14) or “But, without doubt, I
am (also) He that forgives again and again, to
those who repent, believe, and do right, who,
in
fine, are ready to receive true guidance.” (Taha
20:82) or see another example where both
pronouns are used side by side, “Before them
the People of Noah rejected (their Messenger):
they rejected Our servant, and said, “Here is
one possessed!” and he was driven out. Then
he called on His Lord: “I am one overcome: do
Thou then help (me)!” So We opened the gates
of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We
caused the earth to gush forth with springs.
So
the waters met (and rose) to the extent
decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of
broad planks and caulked with palm-fiber: She
floats under Our eyes (and care): a
recompense to one who had been rejected
(with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign
(for all time): then is there any that will
receive admonition? But how (terrible) was My
Penalty and My Warning? (al-Qamar 54:9-16)
See also some verses where the first person
plural is used: “We have, without doubt, sent
down the Message; and We will assuredly
guard it (from corruption).” (al-Hijr 15:9) or
“We created not the heavens, the earth, and
all
between them, but for just ends. And the Hour
is surely coming” (al-Hijr 15:85) or “And
among
His Signs is this: thou seest the earth barren
and desolate; but when We send down rain to
it, it is stirred to life and yields increase.
Truly,
He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can
surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He
has power over all things.” (Fussilat 41:39). Or
“Already has Our Word been passed before
(this) to Our Servants sent (by Us). That they
would certainly be assisted. And that Our
forces, they surely must conquer. So turn thou
away from them for a little while. And watch
them (how they fare), and they soon shall see.
Do they wish (indeed) to hurry on our
Punishment? But when it descends into the
open space before them, evil will be the
morning for those who were warned (and
heeded not) (al-Saffat 37:171-177). There are
many other examples.
Christian writers in their desperate desire to
prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime
interpreted some Biblical passages where first
person plural is used to suggest that this
means the “Divine Trinity”. For example in the
Bible it is mentioned, “Then God said, “Let us
make man in our image¦” (Genesis 1:26).
Christian writers contend that this means that
there is plurality in God (We seek Allah’s
forgiveness for mentioning this blasphemy.)
Sometime Christian missionaries also go to
simple Muslims and try to confuse them by
taking some verses from the Qur’an and tell
them that the Qur’an also supports such
doctrines. I tried to explain this point in some
detail, because I have often heard this type of
questions from some Christians.
Bro common not another copy and past cry
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by johnydon22(m): 10:41am On Mar 22, 2015
RikoduoSennin:


Adam did not create Malaria parasite!

I don't know if the Malaria Parasite was created for good or bad. What I know is Malaria parasite would not have any effect to health of perfect man Adam had he obeyed his creator- Adam's would have an immunity to ALL ailment. Malaria parasite strive on certain enviromental conditions/host organism- if Adam had lived under God's guidance, such conditions may have been eliminated eg How common is malaria parasite in the developed world?

(Fan Fiction: Will Superman or Vampires get sick from malaria parasite?)



So it is far beyond God's capability to stop population growth when it get to a fix point shey?

Research what Scientist say about the number of people that can populate the earth before it is filled.

and an adult just poured out this fairy fantasy.. malaria parasites not having effect when its in existence, maybe carnivores would have been eating plants, no wonder a snake could take then and even had legs..choi ... seriously

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Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by Nobody: 10:52am On Mar 22, 2015
@Plaetton,

Another thing you have to understand is that, Earth is not a paradise! Sin brought imperfection into the world which is why we need saving in the first place....do you expect flawlessness in an imperfect world? Your arguments about intelligent design has nothing to do with what the creator chooses to do with his creation! He created all things exactly the way he wanted them to be...He is also not ignorant that sin would later come into the equation to try us, which was why he warned us through his word/messengers and also created an escape route for those who trust in him....

This here is the LORD's game, you are just a player in it! There are only two ways, you either go with the LORD's moves and win or make your own move and be removed! That's all....it's a matter of choice~!

johnydon22:

so the lord prepare diseases and disasters for his purpose right.. nice god cheesy


A resounding yes to your question my dear carnal minded friend grin!

It's written!
Re: Simple Question For Christians And Creationists? by RikoduoSennin(m): 10:52am On Mar 22, 2015
swaggzo:




we we're taught that He ( GOD ) foresees all things before they happened. He saw that Adam and Eve would break the rules he gave them even before creating them.. And you tell me they were designed to never die but theirs sins caused a change in plans.

Well if the above were true, then God would NEVER HAVE ANY REASON TO 'REGRET' WOULD HE? -Genesis 6:6,7 "and the LORD was SORRY that he had made man on the Earth and it grieved him to his heart. So the LORD said, I will Blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground,.....for I AM SORRY that I have MADE them.

Don't you think, forsight would have come in handy to prevent his heartache.

Genesis 22:12 "He said, "Do not lay your hand on the Lad or do anything to him: For NOW I KNOW YOU FEAR GOD, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son from me".

Did God knew Abraham would be pass the test before the test? NO, because there would be no need for the test.

Yes, Sin cause a change in God's plan for Adam and Eve. They died because they sinned!

swaggzo:

The theory would even be better this way... He started to let death happen knowing that without diseases and wars and death, the earth is gonna be filled up some day. Don't you like it this way? After he knew that all this things would happen ( since He sees all things before time ) but he still went on to make man and give rules He knew they were gonna break.

Wrong theory, wrong speculation!



swaggzo:

Now how on earth should we continue to believe such theories my dear Friend?
I think its always better to keep mute than to come in public to try to defend Christianity cuz the more you talk things the more you expose the f00l in you.
I mean no harm.

None taken!
No one should believe YOUR PERSONAL THEORIES ABOUT GOD- they are not what the Bible says at all. I will not keep quite when God's name is being reproach, I can keep quite when others refuse to reason with me.

Your preconceived ideas about Christianity is your undoing.

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