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Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by Nobody: 11:51pm On Apr 01, 2015 |
italo:google no dey where u dey. huu, I forgot u are a catholic hence the need to excuse u priest. un newspaper did a piece on mbaka and nnamani. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by HopeAlive14(m): 12:16am On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo: [b]I have read it many more times than you can imagine. You ought to have started it from verse 13 to get an understanding of the whole story. Let's examine it verse by verse: v 16: Peter REVEALS who Jesus Christ is. v17: Jesus blesses Peter and tells him it is GOD that gave Peter the REVELATION that JESUS is CHRIST. v18: Jesus said "you are Peter, and ON THIS ROCK..." (Jesus DID NOT call Peter "Rock". No sir, He didn't! v18: "ON THIS ROCK" (that is ON THIS REVELATION) by you Peter that I am CHRIST the Son of God), "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" (The Church is the body of Christ and is BUILT or established on the fact, faith and REVELATION that Jesus is Christ the Son of God). v: 19 "I will give YOU (the CHURCH, Christ's body) the keys (POWER) of the kingdom and whatsoever YOU (THE CHURCH, not Peter) binds on earth.. v20: Jesus tells His disciples not tell anyone that He is Jesus Christ. v21: Jesus begins to inform his disciples about the sufferings he will encounter (He has to DIE to save mankind) v22: Peter opposes Jesus. Peter has not comprehended that Jesus came to suffer unto death for man's SALVATION. v23: Jesus recognizes that Satan, speaking through Peter wants to hinder or deter Jesus from DYING and FULFILING HIS MISSION. Jesus rebukes the evil spirit (Satan) speaking through Peter as "the hindrance" Jesus did not call Peter "Satan" and Peter is not "Satan"[/b] |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by Rose2014: 12:22am On Apr 02, 2015 |
HopeAlive14: I'm not surprised. Pentico people turning the bible upside down since 1800 Smh |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by HopeAlive14(m): 12:31am On Apr 02, 2015 |
Rose2014: Church, whether "Pentico", Methodist, Baptist, Catholic or whatever name they are called DOES NOT SAVE!!! It is only JESUS that Saves! |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by Nobody: 12:55am On Apr 02, 2015 |
Going through all d posts, one can't help but marvel at Italo's superior logic. Respect! HopeAlive ur exegesis of d passage about Peter's confession of d messiah is utterly ludicrous. What authority taught u that? Ur self? Ur pastor? Or u got it from d Holy Spirit? On d Mbaka vs Chimaroke ish, I'd appreciate if anyone can offer d proof Italo is asking for. If u do, fine and good so I know how to make up my mind on that issue. My mind's open. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by bamipet01: 1:17am On Apr 02, 2015 |
Fr. Mbaka was saying nothing, but the "Truth" 2 Likes |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 6:27am On Apr 02, 2015 |
Mee234: This has nothing to do with my being Catholic or Hindu or even Atheist. As a Catholic, I'm even more worried about him than you are. I want to know the truth about him. One day, I might find myself attending mass with him...if he claims to have visions from God which are lies, I want to know so I don't take him serious. If he has transgressed the laws of the Church, I want to know so I can join those calling for his bishop to caution him. You said you read that Mbaka said Nnamani would not be governor for 2nd term from "Un Newspaper." I have never heard of that Paper. Is in an Enugu-based paper...or is it based in your bedroom? |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 6:38am On Apr 02, 2015 |
ChokolateBoss: Thanks bro. My mind is open too. Many priests have been disciplined and/or excommunicated. If Mbaka is a deviant priest, and refuses to change, I want him to face the wrath of the Church, and if he is doing the will of God, I want him to be highly esteemed for that. Simples! At the moment, I respect him for the content of this particular message...which was true. Nobody so far has been able to show evidence that he prophesied falsely. We can't punish a man or priest based on hearsay from people who don't like him. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by adsonstone: 6:39am On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo: italo: I believe I made my position clear without bias. Thanks. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by Nobody: 6:48am On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo:sorry I mean the sun |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 6:55am On Apr 02, 2015 |
adsonstone: That David and Jesus were guilty...since they were vindicated and according to you, "only the guilty can be vindicated." If the above is your honest opinion, and not a result of hypocritical bias, then you're at best, deluded, and at worst, a blasphemer. David and Jesus were innocent, hence vindicated. By the way, your spiritual father, Kumuyi prophesied that the election would be free and fair. Was the election free and fair? See video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFfQOelXJs&app=desktop |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by jnrbayano(m): 6:58am On Apr 02, 2015 |
ChokolateBoss: Good observation about Italo but I'm not surprised at all. I spotted the guy eons back and have followed him since the time of Jesus's birth in bethlehem. Do same and you will learn so much. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 7:21am On Apr 02, 2015 |
Mee234: Here's The Sun Newspaper which talks about Mbaka's 'war' on Nnamani and his other political controversies. It never says Mbaka said Nnamani would not win a second term. Is there another Sun Newspaper in Nigeria? |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 7:22am On Apr 02, 2015 |
jnrbayano:You wan dey swell my head be that o. Happy Easter Triduum! |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by adsonstone: 7:24am On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo: You don't need to try to mix things up. David and Jesus were innocent, yet culpable, hence vindicated. I believe I made myself clear without bias. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 8:10am On Apr 02, 2015 |
adsonstone: adsonstone:
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Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by rafcrown(m): 8:24am On Apr 02, 2015 |
GREAT RESPECT FOR THIS REAL MAN OF GOD.NOT THE JET PASTORS.SHAME ON SOME SO CALLED MEN OF GOD WHO CANT SEE CLEARLY/say The Truth. 1 Like |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by adsonstone: 10:24am On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo: David, a saint, yet sinner, hence vindicated. Jesus, a saint, yet identified with sinners, hence vindicated. The Corinthian Church, saints, yet sinners, hence justified. David & Jesus, innocent, yet culpable, hence vindicated. It's easy for a 12-year old to grab. Sorry if that's too big for you to chew. Perhaps, you should recheck the meaning of these simple words. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by adsonstone: 10:37am On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo: 1. What do you mean by 'free and fair?' 2. Is that the video for the whole 2015 general elections? |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 10:39am On Apr 02, 2015 |
adsonstone: adsonstone:
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Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 10:41am On Apr 02, 2015 |
Adsonstone, you didn't say if Kumuyi's prediction that the election would be free and fair was true. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 11:16am On Apr 02, 2015 |
adsonstone: Use Kumuyi's meaning of "free and fair." Was he right? No. But it is just one of the evidences I have on the conduct of the elections. Was the presidential election free and fair? |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by adsonstone: 2:14pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo:That should be answered by you. You seem to know the meaning of 'free and fair' as used by Kumuyi...and that's you can give a definite answer. What did he really mean? |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 2:45pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
adsonstone: Nevermind. When Mbaka spoke you were hounding me. Now that Kumuyi said something that turned out false, you dunno the meaning of free and fair. The Nigerian people have used their thumbs to show who is true and who is false. So I leave you to your conscience...if you have one. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by jnrbayano(m): 2:54pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by Nobody: 3:38pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
jnrbayano: Lol @ since d time of Jesus's birth. Sure will follow him now. I like pple who can make intellectually sound logical arguments. @Italo. Seems u're Catholic. Have u heard of Dave Armstrong? |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 3:59pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
ChokolateBoss: Yes, I'm Catholic. I just read about Dave Armstrong after you mentioned him. I'm surprised I never heard of him even though I know many other prominent Catholic converts like him. Thanks for the compliments. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by Nobody: 4:09pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo:Uwc. To me, Dave Armstrong is d best catholic apologist online. The strength of his logical arguments is simply overwhelming. Its almost impossible to fault his logic. He uses the socratic method in his arguments. This is his blog: socrates58..com. Everything catholic is in there |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by adsonstone: 4:20pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
italo: Those were simple questions, yet you refused to answer. Several elections have been tagged 'free and fair' despite reports of disruption in few areas. The Nigerian 1993 Presidential election is one of such. A 'free and fair' election does not necessarily mean a 'perfect' election. Let me help you out. .:www.democracyweb.org/elections/principles.php If the 2015 electoral process conform with the above, Kumuyi is vindicated. I also noticed how you cunningly ignored the part Kumuyi said that the results will be widely accepted and the votes of Nigerians will count, only attacking a part you're judging by your own definition. However, you have only tagged it in your mind as 'prophecy,' his speech did not. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by Nobody: 4:52pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
adsonstone: Why are u confusing urself? How can only a guilty person be vindicated? What dictionary do u use? Secondly, how can someone be innocent, yet culpable? Una can tire person o
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Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by adsonstone: 5:52pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
ChokolateBoss: First, understand that being guilty does not necessarily constitute direct wrongdoing. A guilty person may be merely culpable. An eyewitness to a robbery who is scared to disclose the robbers he saw is innocent, yet culpable. How can someone be a sinner, yet saint? Explain. |
Re: Fr Mbaka Has Been Vindicated. by italo: 6:14pm On Apr 02, 2015 |
adsonstone: Let me help you. An election in which many INEC State Collation Officers reported rampant hijacking of ballot boxes, card readers, ballot papers, result sheets, and even election officials, substitution of INEC Officials, over-voting... ...Gov Rochas was filmed confronting the Army for locking away eligible voters in his home town, Gov Oshiomhole was seen on TV saying the Army prevented INEC Officers from going to their posts. Gov Amaechi is seen on TV reporting missing result sheets at his PU. Hundreds of thousands couldn't get their PVCs because INEC Staff connived with party agents to steal them. The definition of the above, according to you and Kumuyi is "Free and fair." What then is an election that is not free and fair? Perhaps until a nuclear bomb is dropped on the voters. I leave you to your conscience, if you have one. |
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